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* SpiritualSuccessor: In nearly every respect, save for the title and lack of jet aircraft and guided missiles, ''Innocent Aces'' is an ''VideoGame/AceCombat'' game, made by the same developers and published by the same company and using basically the same tropes. Furthermore, many aspects of the game would cross back to the parent series.
** Many later ''Ace Combat'' games would feature piston-engined fighters with similar flight models to those used in ''Innocent Aces'', and when used in ''VideoGame/AceCombatInfinity'', the game would adopt a HUD very similar to that used by ''Innocent Aces''.
** The game introduced the 100 enemy BrutalBonusLevel "Ace of Aces" that would later be seen in parent series games like ''VideoGame/AceCombatJointAssault'' and ''VideoGame/AceCombatAssaultHorizonLegacy''.
** The Tactical Maneuver Command system would return to the parent series in ''VideoGame/AceCombatAssaultHorizonLegacy''. However, the maneuvers that can be performed using this system would first make their appearance as counter-maneuvers in ''VideoGame/AceCombatAssaultHorizon'''s much-maligned Dogfight Mode.
** The "Explosive Bullets" (EPB) subweapon is essentially an unguided predecessor to the "Short-range Aerial Suppression Missile" (SASM) and the "Rapid Guns" (RPG) subweapon is a predecessor to the "(Machine) Gun Pods" (GPD or MGP) seen in most ''Ace Combat'' titles since ''Innocent Aces''[='=]s release in 2008.
** The [[GeoEffects wind and cloud mechanics]] Project Aces experimented with in ''Innocent Aces'' would be greatly expanded upon for their return in ''VideoGame/AceCombat7SkiesUnknown''.

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Uncanny Valley is IUEO now and the subjective version has been split; cleaning up misuse and ZCE in the process


* NightmareFuel / UncannyValley: Kusanagi's blank face when Mitsuya wants to kill her is just... scary. Her silver eyes are just ghost-like, and yet, pretty cute at the same time.

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Kusanagi's blank face when Mitsuya wants to kill her is just... scary. Her silver eyes are just ghost-like, and yet, pretty cute at the same time.
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* ThatOneAchievement: Or, in this case, ''five'' achievements. What makes them so difficult to earn is that they require you to go through the entire campaign and avoid doing something in particular, whether it be failing a mission, missing a S rank, restarting a mission from a retry point, or ''using a TMC''. If you do any of the above in a mission and then save, the current story run will become ineligible for some or all of these achievements, depending on what forbidden action you did. Of course, you can use SaveScumming to roll back to the last good mission and try the current one again until you clear it perfectly. The lack of an option to reset campaign progress doesn't help matters either.

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* ThatOneAchievement: Or, in this case, ''five'' achievements. What makes them so difficult to earn is that they require you to go through the entire campaign and avoid doing something in particular, whether it be failing a mission, missing a S rank, restarting a mission from a retry point, mission, or ''using a TMC''. If you do any of the above in a mission and then save, the current story run will become ineligible for some or all of these achievements, depending on what forbidden action you did. Of course, you can instead use SaveScumming to roll back to the last good mission and try the current one again until you clear it perfectly. The lack of an option to reset campaign progress doesn't help matters either.
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* ThatOneAchievement: Or, in this case, ''five'' achievements. What makes them so difficult to earn is that they require you to go through the entire campaign and avoid doing something in particular, whether it be failing a mission, missing a S rank, restarting a mission from a retry point, or ''using a TMC''. If you do any of the above in a mission and then save, the current story run will become ineligible for some or all of these achievements, depending on what forbidden action you did. Of course, you can use SaveScumming to roll back to the last good mission and try the current one again until you clear it perfectly. The lack of an option to reset campaign progress doesn't help matters either.
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* SugarWiki/DevelopmentHell: Creator/MamoruOshii and his crew traveled to Ireland and Poland where the movie is set to photograph not only the scenery or buildings but also radiators, electric sockets and window frames to get everything to look authentic.

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* SugarWiki/DevelopmentHell: DevelopmentHell: Creator/MamoruOshii and his crew traveled to Ireland and Poland where the movie is set to photograph not only the scenery or buildings but also radiators, electric sockets and window frames to get everything to look authentic.

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* ThatOneBoss: Maumi Orishina, the FinalBoss, is very notorious for being hard to shoot down [[SNKBoss thanks to]] [[TheComputerIsACheatingBastard special moves you can't perform]], and for being ''very'' fast and deadly. She also hides in the clouds as [[TurnsRed she accumulates damage]] to make it hard for you to track her down. The fact that she can [[DamageSpongeBoss tank a lot of damage]] before you can finally declare victory doesn't help matters either.
* ThatOneLevel: The second part of Mission 6: Baruka, in which you have to save your three wingmen after Lautern forces ambush your recon planes. The first time you play it, you are given no definitive indication that you have to save them all. Then, once you realize that you fail the mission if even one gets shot down, you'll have to deal with how difficult the task actually is, thanks to the fact that you can only use the Senryu, whose poor mobility and speed makes it hard to fend off their attackers. The mission's prohibition of special weapons due to a spy camera occupying the special weapon slot, as well as the lack of upgrade parts available up to that point, doesn't help matters either.
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* AdaptationDisplacement: Almost nobody knows the story is based off of a six-volume light novel series. This is partly because it took 8 years after the movie for the novels to get licensed for English release by a very small, niche company ([[https://thebbb.net/ Breakthrough Bandwagon Books]]) that even most avid light novel readers aren't familiar with precisely because it ''doesn't'' specialize in light novels: BBB is focused on general Japanese literature. In addition, BBB is a Japan-only based company founded by Japanese people, and translation work is pretty slow-going because it is done by native Japanese translators (the rest of the LN industry's translation work is done by foreigners, the overwhelming majority of which have English as a first language).

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* AdaptationDisplacement: Almost nobody knows the story is based off of a six-volume light novel series. This is partly because it took 8 years after the movie for the novels to get licensed for English release by a very small, niche company ([[https://thebbb.net/ Breakthrough Bandwagon Books]]) that even most avid light novel readers aren't familiar with precisely because it ''doesn't'' specialize in light novels: BBB is focused on general Japanese literature. In addition, BBB is a Japan-only based company founded by Japanese people, and translation work is was pretty slow-going (almost 6 years to translate all 6 books) because it is was done by a native Japanese translators translator (the rest of the LN industry's translation work is done by foreigners, the overwhelming majority of which have English as a first language).
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* SugarWiki/DevelopmentHell: Creator/MamoruOshii and his crew traveled to Ireland and Poland where the movie is set to photograph not only the scenery or buildings but also radiators, electric sockets and window frames to get everything to look authentic.
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* AdaptationDisplacement: Almost nobody knows the story is based off of a five-volume light novel series. This is partly because it took 8 years after the movie for the novels to get licensed for English release by a very small, niche company ([[https://thebbb.net/ Breakthrough Bandwagon Books]]) that even most avid light novel readers aren't familiar with precisely because it ''doesn't'' specialize in light novels: BBB is focused on general Japanese literature. In addition, BBB is a Japan-only based company founded by Japanese people, and translation work is pretty slow-going because it is done by native Japanese translators (the rest of the LN industry's translation work is done by foreigners, the overwhelming majority of which have English as a first language).

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* AdaptationDisplacement: Almost nobody knows the story is based off of a five-volume six-volume light novel series. This is partly because it took 8 years after the movie for the novels to get licensed for English release by a very small, niche company ([[https://thebbb.net/ Breakthrough Bandwagon Books]]) that even most avid light novel readers aren't familiar with precisely because it ''doesn't'' specialize in light novels: BBB is focused on general Japanese literature. In addition, BBB is a Japan-only based company founded by Japanese people, and translation work is pretty slow-going because it is done by native Japanese translators (the rest of the LN industry's translation work is done by foreigners, the overwhelming majority of which have English as a first language).
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* {{Anvilicious}}: WarIsHell, and it will do nothing but ruin lives regardless of how involved they are, no matter how humanity changes the battlefield, the actors or the definition.

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* {{Anvilicious}}: WarIsHell, and it will do nothing but ruin lives regardless of how involved they are, no matter where the battlefield is or how humanity changes the battlefield, definition of the actors or the definition.conflict is changed.
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* {{Anvilicious}}: WarIsHell, and it will do nothing but ruin lives no matter how humanity changes the battlefield, the actors or the definition.

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*{{Anvilicious}}: WarIsHell, and it will do nothing but ruin lives no matter how humanity changes the battlefield, the actors or the definition.
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* TheScrappy: Ukumori, with his propensity to shove his 'the weak die in battle' mentality down everybody else's throat. He's hated even by players, and not just some of the characters.

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* TheScrappy: Ukumori, with his propensity to shove his 'the weak die in battle' mentality down everybody else's throat. He's hated even by players, and not just some of the characters.

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* {{Narm}}: "God (sob) ... Help... Him!"
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* CrowningMusicOfAwesome: The entire soundtrack qualifies as one, but special mention goes to [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-ikXXt203o BGM 5]] and all its variants (11, 21, 28 & 29). The composer is Kazuhiro Nakamura.

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* CrowningMusicOfAwesome: SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic: The entire soundtrack qualifies as one, but special mention goes to [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-ikXXt203o BGM 5]] and all its variants (11, 21, 28 & 29). The composer is Kazuhiro Nakamura.
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* TheScrappy: Again, Ukumori because of his 'the weak die in battle' mentality. He's hated even by players, and not just some of the characters.

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* TheScrappy: Again, Ukumori because of Ukumori, with his propensity to shove his 'the weak die in battle' mentality.mentality down everybody else's throat. He's hated even by players, and not just some of the characters.
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* CompleteMonster: Ukumori. To put it into perspective, he is an egotistical kildren because of his Darwinist beliefs. This means that, to him, people die in war because they are weak. He does not care for his wingmen at all, and even chastises [[spoiler: Captain Yamasaki]] for death with weakness even though the latter sacrificed himself to save him. [[spoiler: He even causes the betrayal and death of Kaida later on in the game. Thankfully, you get to kill Ukumori in the third to last mission.]]

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* CrowningMusicOfAwesome: The entire soundtrack qualifies as one, but special mention goes to [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-ikXXt203o BGM 5]] and all its variants (11, 21, 28 & 29). Especially notable considering the composer remains unlisted.
** The composer is Kazuhiro Nakamura (and he is listed in the credits).

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* CrowningMusicOfAwesome: The entire soundtrack qualifies as one, but special mention goes to [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-ikXXt203o BGM 5]] and all its variants (11, 21, 28 & 29). Especially notable considering the composer remains unlisted.
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* CompleteMonster: Ukumori. To put it into perspective, he is an egotistical kildren because of his Darwinist beliefs. This means that, to him, people die in war because they are weak. He does not care for his wingmen at all, and even chastises [[spoiler: Captain Yamasaki]] for death with weakness even though the latter sacrificed himself to save him. [[spoiler: He even causes the betrayal and death of Kaida later on in the game. Thankfully, you get to kill Ukumori in the third to last mission.]]



* CompleteMonster: Ukumori. To put it into perspective, he is an egotistical kildren because of his darwinist beliefs. This means that, to him, people die in war because they are weak. He does not care for his wingmen at all, and even chastises [[spoiler: Captain Yamasaki]] for death with weakness even though the latter sacrificed himself to save him. [[spoiler: He even causes the betrayal and death of Kaida later on in the game. Thankfully, you get to kill Ukumori in the third to last mission.]]
* {{Narm}}: Mozume. Despite having a great voice actor (or rather, because of it) his last lines are one of the most hilarious in videogames.

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* CompleteMonster: Ukumori. To put it into perspective, he is an egotistical kildren because of his darwinist beliefs. This means that, to him, people die in war because they are weak. He does not care for his wingmen at all, and even chastises [[spoiler: Captain Yamasaki]] for death with weakness even though the latter sacrificed himself to save him. [[spoiler: He even causes the betrayal and death of Kaida later on in the game. Thankfully, you get to kill Ukumori in the third to last mission.]]
* {{Narm}}: Mozume. Despite having a great voice actor (or rather, because of it) his last lines are one of the most hilarious in videogames.video games.

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** Her appearance when she comes out of the ladies' room in the Krakow restaurant is also quite creepy, with her newly slicked back hair and glaringly red lips - she looks more like a doll come to life than a person in that moment. Even Yûichi stares with his mouth open. This could be a reference to another one of the director's films ''Ghost in the Shell: Innocence''

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** Her appearance when she comes out of the ladies' room in the Krakow restaurant is also quite creepy, with her newly slicked back hair and glaringly red lips - she looks more like a doll come to life than a person in that moment. Even Yûichi stares with his mouth open. This could be a reference to another one of the director's films ''Ghost in the Shell: Innocence''
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** Her appearance when she comes out of the ladies' room in the Krakow restaurant is also quite creepy, with her newly slicked back hair and glaringly red lips - she looks more like a doll come to life than a person in that moment. Even Yûichi stares with his mouth open.

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** Her appearance when she comes out of the ladies' room in the Krakow restaurant is also quite creepy, with her newly slicked back hair and glaringly red lips - she looks more like a doll come to life than a person in that moment. Even Yûichi stares with his mouth open. \n This could be a reference to another one of the director's films ''Ghost in the Shell: Innocence''

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* CompleteMonster: Ukumori. To put it into perspective, he is an egotistical kildren because of his darwinist beliefs. This means that, to him, people die in war because they are weak. He does not care for his wingmen at all, and even chastises [[spoiler: Captain Yamasaki]] for death with weakness even though the latter sacrificed himself to save him. [[spoiler: He even causes the betrayal and death of Kaida later on in the game. Thankfully, you get to kill Ukumori in the third to last mission.]]




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* TheScrappy: Again, Ukumori because of his 'the weak die in battle' mentality. He's hated even by players, and not just some of the characters.
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* TheProblemWithLicensedGames: Averted, and likewise perhaps Inverted for those who didn't find the movie enjoyable. Aside from the fact Mamoru Oshii and Hiroshi Mori were consulted and play-tested the game, the gameplay itself is AceCombat without missiles and [[CoolPlane prop planes]]. The latter might seem [[YourMilageMayVary like a detriment at first]], but is balanced out with the TMC mechanic. It helps that the anime lends itself well to the chatty nature of transmissions in Ace Combat games.

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* TheProblemWithLicensedGames: Averted, and likewise perhaps Inverted for those who didn't find the movie enjoyable. Aside from the fact Mamoru Oshii and Hiroshi Mori were consulted and play-tested the game, the gameplay itself is AceCombat without missiles and [[CoolPlane prop planes]]. The latter might seem [[YourMilageMayVary like a detriment at first]], but is balanced out with the TMC mechanic. It helps that the anime lends itself well to the chatty nature of transmissions in Ace Combat games.
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* TheProblemWithLicensedGames: Averted, and likewise perhaps Inverted for those who didn't find the movie enjoyable. Aside from the fact Mamoru Oshii and Hiroshi Mori were consulted and play-tested the game, the gameplay itself is AceCombat without missiles. The latter might seem [[YourMilageMayVary like a detriment at first]], but is balanced out with the TMC mechanic. It helps that the anime lends itself well to the chatty nature of transmissions in Ace Combat games.

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* TheProblemWithLicensedGames: Averted, and likewise perhaps Inverted for those who didn't find the movie enjoyable. Aside from the fact Mamoru Oshii and Hiroshi Mori were consulted and play-tested the game, the gameplay itself is AceCombat without missiles.missiles and [[CoolPlane prop planes]]. The latter might seem [[YourMilageMayVary like a detriment at first]], but is balanced out with the TMC mechanic. It helps that the anime lends itself well to the chatty nature of transmissions in Ace Combat games.
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* TheProblemWithLicensedGames: Averted, and likewise perhaps Inverted for those who didn't find the movie enjoyable. Aside from the fact Mamoru Oshii and Hiroshi Mori were consulted and play-tested the game, the gameplay itself is AceCombat without missiles. The latter might seem [[YourMilageMayVary like a detriment at first]], but is balanced out with the TMC mechanic. It helps that the anime lends itself well to the chatty nature of transmissions in Ace Combat games.
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* LoveItOrHateIt: Viewers tend to either find the film profound and moving, or lethargic and intolerable.
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** Also the ample amounts of Engrish.



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* LoveItOrHateIt: Viewers tend to either find the film profound and moving, or lethargic and intolerable.



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