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* WhatDoYouMeanItsForKids: Exactly ''how'' Joker's ''inhumane'' treatment of Harley got past the censors is anyone's guess.
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** Batman taunts the Joker that Harley comes closer in killing him than he ever would. Come ''VideoGame/SuicideSquadKillTheJusticeLeague'', [[spoiler:Harley Quinn ends up being the one to kill the Arkhamverse Batman, who has survived the likes of the Joker, Hugo Strange, and Scarecrow in the darkest nights, an [[UndignifiedDeath undignified fashion of shooting him in the head]] while he's tied up and under Brainiac's brainwashing]]. And that game happens to be one of the last times Creator/KevinConroy would play Batman before his untimely death.

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** Batman taunts the Joker that Harley comes closer in killing him than he ever would. Come ''VideoGame/SuicideSquadKillTheJusticeLeague'', [[spoiler:Harley Quinn ends up being the one to kill the Arkhamverse Batman, who has survived the likes of the Joker, Hugo Strange, and Scarecrow in the darkest nights, in an [[UndignifiedDeath undignified fashion of shooting him in the head]] while he's tied up and under Brainiac's brainwashing]].brainwashing. She even mocks Batman for not expecting her to be the one to finally did him in]]. And that game happens to be one of the last times Creator/KevinConroy would play Batman before his untimely death.

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* HarsherInHindsight: Harley's desire to settle down and start a family with The Joker is often portrayed as a sign of how divorced from reality she actually is, usually played for laughs. [[WesternAnimation/BatmanBeyondReturnOfTheJoker Then The Joker warms up to the idea...]]

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Harley's desire to settle down and start a family with The the Joker is often portrayed as a sign of how divorced from reality she actually is, usually played for laughs. [[WesternAnimation/BatmanBeyondReturnOfTheJoker Then The the Joker warms up to the idea...]]]]
** Batman taunts the Joker that Harley comes closer in killing him than he ever would. Come ''VideoGame/SuicideSquadKillTheJusticeLeague'', [[spoiler:Harley Quinn ends up being the one to kill the Arkhamverse Batman, who has survived the likes of the Joker, Hugo Strange, and Scarecrow in the darkest nights, an [[UndignifiedDeath undignified fashion of shooting him in the head]] while he's tied up and under Brainiac's brainwashing]]. And that game happens to be one of the last times Creator/KevinConroy would play Batman before his untimely death.
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* HarsherInHindsight: Harley's desire to settle down and start a family with The Joker is often portrayed as a sign of how divorced from reality she actually is, usually played for laughs. [[WesternAnimation/BatmanBeyondReturnOfTheJoker Then The Joker warms up to the idea...]]
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** ''ComicBook/{{Harleen}}'' gives this piece of Harley's backstory a {{deconstruction}}: she only slept with one of her professors, because she legitimately liked him. Her grades were stellar and she certainly didn't need to sleep with the faculty to graduate--but once the relationship was found out, everyone ''assumed'' that was what was going on, and Harley was [[SlutShaming branded a slut]]. Also [[{{Reconstruction}} reconstructed]], as Dr. Leland, having heard about the scandal, hires Harley anyway, noting that her grades were so good in every single class she took, there was just no way she hadn't earned them (after all, she couldn't be sleeping with the ''entire'' faculty). Harley treats it as an OldShame in-universe, and cites her having been a naïve kid at the time.

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** ''ComicBook/{{Harleen}}'' gives this piece of Harley's backstory a {{deconstruction}}: she only slept with one of her professors, because she legitimately liked him. Her grades were stellar and she certainly didn't need to sleep with the faculty to graduate--but once the relationship was found out, everyone ''assumed'' that was what was going on, and Harley was [[SlutShaming branded a slut]]. Also [[{{Reconstruction}} reconstructed]], as Dr. Leland, having heard about the scandal, hires Harley anyway, noting that her grades were so good in every single class she took, there was just no way she hadn't earned them (after all, she couldn't be sleeping with the ''entire'' faculty). Harley treats is shown to be ashamed of what she did, citing it as an OldShame in-universe, and cites her having been being a naïve kid at the time.
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** ''Film/BirdsOfPrey'' runs with both. It's implied that Harley did sleep with many of her professors, but was legitimately a strong psychiatrist. The audience can infer that either Harley has a type (figures she admires on some level) and/or that these people manipulated her in a way that Joker would later use to break her.

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** ''Film/BirdsOfPrey'' ''Film/BirdsOfPrey2020'' runs with both. It's implied that Harley did sleep with many of her professors, but was legitimately a strong psychiatrist. The audience can infer that either Harley has a type (figures she admires on some level) and/or that these people manipulated her in a way that Joker would later use to break her.
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** Is the Joker deliberately lying about his past, or does his memory of it change due to his insanity? Which, if any, of his stories about why he does what he does contain any truth?
** The Joker is laughing madly as Harley drives him out from Arkham. Is he laughing at the situation at hand, or is he laughing ''at'' Harley? As in [[UnwittingPawn how easy it was to manipulate her into becoming his henchwoman.]]
* HilariousInHindsight: The Joker dismisses one potential scheme for being too similar to what the Riddler would do. Years later, [[Recap/JusticeLeagueActionS1E40ENigmaConsultingDetective an episode]] of ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeagueAction'' saw the Joker (once again voiced by Hamill) completely co-opting the Riddler's gimmick for a scheme. "Too Riddler" indeed.
* JerkassWoobie: Harley. Before her career as a super-villain, she was a brilliant young psychologist who was starting out in Arkham. When she encountered the Joker, he played off her feelings for him, making her develop LimaSyndrome. After a brutal beating from Batman, she cries over him and becomes his main henchwoman. Years after their team-up, Harley tries to provide comfort and romance for him, but he coldly pushes her aside. Then one day, she tries to carry out a plan to efficiently defeat Batman (in hopes of spending more time with the Joker). Instead of praise, the Joker hits Harley and pushes her out of a window. The overhead shot of Harley on the ground just adds to the tragedy.

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** Is the Joker deliberately lying about his past, or does his memory of it change due to his insanity? Which, if any, of [[MultipleChoicePast his stories stories]] about [[FreudianExcuse why he does what he does does]] contain any truth?
** The Joker is laughing madly as Harley drives him out from Arkham. Is he laughing at the situation at hand, or is he laughing ''at'' Harley? As in [[UnwittingPawn how easy it was to manipulate her into becoming his henchwoman.]]
henchwoman]].
* HilariousInHindsight: The Joker dismisses one potential scheme for being too similar to what the Riddler would do. Years later, [[Recap/JusticeLeagueActionS1E40ENigmaConsultingDetective an episode]] of ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeagueAction'' saw the Joker (once again ([[RoleReprise once again]] voiced by Hamill) Creator/MarkHamill) completely co-opting the Riddler's gimmick for a scheme. "Too Riddler" indeed.
* JerkassWoobie: Harley. Before her career as a super-villain, she was a brilliant young psychologist who was starting out in Arkham. When she encountered the Joker, he played off her feelings for him, making her develop LimaSyndrome. After a brutal beating from Batman, she cries over him and becomes his main henchwoman. Years after their team-up, Harley tries to provide comfort and romance for him, but he coldly pushes her aside. Then one day, she tries to carry out a plan to efficiently defeat Batman (in hopes of spending more time with the Joker). Instead of praise, the Joker [[DomesticAbuse hits Harley Harley]] and [[DestinationDefenestration pushes her out of a window.window]]. The overhead shot of Harley on the ground just adds to the tragedy.



* ValuesDissonance: The whole detail about Harley [[SextraCredit sleeping her way through college]] likely wouldn't be included today, due to being rife with Unfortunate Implications (to name just one, it was pretty obviously done because she's a girl, as it's hard to imagine Victor Fries or Jonathan Crane bribing their teachers with sex). While it ''is'' excised from the episode, that was likely just because they couldn't talk about that kind of thing on a kid's show. Even the writers seem to regard it as something of an OldShame, as some of the comic books strongly imply [[{{Retcon}} she really did earn her degrees]].

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* ValuesDissonance: The whole detail about Harley [[SextraCredit sleeping her way through college]] likely wouldn't be included today, due to being rife with Unfortunate Implications the accusations it would no doubt attract (to name just one, there would be charges that it was pretty obviously done just because she's a girl, she was female, as [[DoubleStandard it's hard to imagine imagine]] Victor Fries or Jonathan Crane bribing their teachers with sex). While it ''is'' excised from the episode, that was likely just because [[{{bowdlerise}} they couldn't talk about that kind of thing on a kid's show.show]]. Even the writers seem to regard it as something of an OldShame, as some of the comic books strongly imply [[{{Retcon}} she really did earn her degrees]].



** ''ComicBook/{{Harleen}}'' gives this piece of Harley's backstory a {{deconstruction}}: she only slept with one of her professors, because she legitimately liked him. Her grades were stellar and she certainly didn't need to sleep with the faculty to graduate--but once the relationship was found out, everyone ''assumed'' that was what was going on, and Harley was branded a slut. Also [[{{Reconstruction}} reconstructed]], as Dr. Leland, having heard about the scandal, hires Harley anyway, noting that her grades were so good in every single class she took, there was just no way she hadn't earned them (after all, she couldn't be sleeping with the ''entire'' faculty). Harley treats it as an OldShame in-universe, and cites her having been a naïve kid at the time.

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** ''ComicBook/{{Harleen}}'' gives this piece of Harley's backstory a {{deconstruction}}: she only slept with one of her professors, because she legitimately liked him. Her grades were stellar and she certainly didn't need to sleep with the faculty to graduate--but once the relationship was found out, everyone ''assumed'' that was what was going on, and Harley was [[SlutShaming branded a slut.slut]]. Also [[{{Reconstruction}} reconstructed]], as Dr. Leland, having heard about the scandal, hires Harley anyway, noting that her grades were so good in every single class she took, there was just no way she hadn't earned them (after all, she couldn't be sleeping with the ''entire'' faculty). Harley treats it as an OldShame in-universe, and cites her having been a naïve kid at the time.
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** ''ComicBook/{{Harleen}}'' gives this piece of Harley's backstory a {{deconstruction}}: she only slept with one of her professors, because she legitimately liked him. Her grades were stellar and she certainly didn't need to sleep with the faculty to graduate--but once the relationship was found out, everyone ''assumed'' that was what was going on, and Harley was branded a slut. Also [[{{Reconstruction}} reconstructed]], as Dr. Leland, having heard about the scandal, hires Harley anyway, noting that her grades were so good in every single class she took, there was just no way she hadn't earned them. (After all, she couldn't be sleeping with the ''entire'' faculty.) Harley treats it as an OldShame in-universe, and cites her having been a naïve kid at the time.

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** ''ComicBook/{{Harleen}}'' gives this piece of Harley's backstory a {{deconstruction}}: she only slept with one of her professors, because she legitimately liked him. Her grades were stellar and she certainly didn't need to sleep with the faculty to graduate--but once the relationship was found out, everyone ''assumed'' that was what was going on, and Harley was branded a slut. Also [[{{Reconstruction}} reconstructed]], as Dr. Leland, having heard about the scandal, hires Harley anyway, noting that her grades were so good in every single class she took, there was just no way she hadn't earned them. (After them (after all, she couldn't be sleeping with the ''entire'' faculty.) faculty). Harley treats it as an OldShame in-universe, and cites her having been a naïve kid at the time.
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* ValuesDissonance: The whole detail about Harley [[SextraCredit sleeping her way through college]] likely wouldn't be included today, due to being rife with Unfortunate Implications (to name just one, it was pretty obviously done because she's a girl, as it's hard to imagine Victor Fries or Jonathan Crane bribing their teachers with sex.) While it ''is'' excised from the episode, that was likely just because they couldn't talk about that kind of thing on a kid's show. Even the writers seem to regard it as something of an OldShame, as some of the comic books strongly imply [[{{Retcon}} she really did earn her degrees]].

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* ValuesDissonance: The whole detail about Harley [[SextraCredit sleeping her way through college]] likely wouldn't be included today, due to being rife with Unfortunate Implications (to name just one, it was pretty obviously done because she's a girl, as it's hard to imagine Victor Fries or Jonathan Crane bribing their teachers with sex.) sex). While it ''is'' excised from the episode, that was likely just because they couldn't talk about that kind of thing on a kid's show. Even the writers seem to regard it as something of an OldShame, as some of the comic books strongly imply [[{{Retcon}} she really did earn her degrees]].

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