History YMMV / TheLordOfTheRingsOnline

19th Oct '16 7:34:24 AM andersonh1
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** The premium housing introduced in Update 19 is fast becoming this -- specifically, the upkeep.[[note]]The weekly update must be paid in ''mithril coins''.[[/note]] Some believe this is perfectly fine, and is a good way for Turbine to monetize housing. Others think that it's a ripoff, and will make premium housing unattainable for all but the richest players.
26th Sep '16 1:15:23 PM TempestKnight
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** The premium housing introduced in Update 19 is fast becoming this -- specifically, the upkeep.[[note]]The weekly update must be paid in ''mithril coins''.[[/note]] Some believe this is perfectly fine, and is a good way for Turbine to monetize housing. Others think that it's a ripoff, and will make premium housing unattainable for all but the richest players.



** The premium housing introduced in Update 19 is fast becoming this -- specifically, the upkeep.[[note]]The weekly update must be paid in ''mithril coins''.[[/note]] Some believe this is perfectly fine, and is a good way for Turbine to monetize housing. Others think that it's a ripoff, and will make premium housing unattainable for all but the richest players.
26th Sep '16 1:13:29 PM TempestKnight
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** The premium housing introduced in Update 19 is fast becoming this -- specifically, the upkeep.[[note]]The weekly update must be paid in ''mithril coins''.[[/note]] Some believe this is perfectly fine, and is a good way for Turbine to monetize housing. Others think that it's a ripoff, and will make premium housing unattainable for all but the richest players.
5th Aug '16 10:06:25 PM Anddrix
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3rd May '16 7:11:24 PM LoreDeluxe
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** The Battle of the Pelennor Fields is more brutal and despairing in the MMO than in any book, movie, and game that depicts its solely by virtue of the player being right in the middle of the action and many of the characters that are DoomedByCanon are characters that we have come to know and even care about. While the deaths of characters like Theoden and Halbarad are expected and can be prepared for, the fate of Horn is especially saddening. [[spoiler: If Halros was not convinced to leave the Shire, then Horn dies as he was foretold to leaving behind Nona as a widow and his child without a father. On the other hand, if Halros was convinced to leave the Shire, he dies TakingTheBullet for Horn. This leaves Horn a broken man who considers himself a coward and no longer worthy to be called Rohirrim. [[ThatManIsDead He asks that his name be put on the funeral pyre]] and leaves to an unknown fate.]]

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** The Battle of the Pelennor Fields is more brutal and despairing in the MMO than in any book, movie, and game that depicts its it solely by virtue of the player being right in the middle of the action and many of the characters that are DoomedByCanon are characters that we have come to know and even care about. While the deaths of characters like Theoden and Halbarad are expected and can be prepared for, the fate of Horn is especially saddening. [[spoiler: If Halros was not convinced to leave the Shire, then Horn dies as he was foretold to leaving behind Nona as a widow and his child without a father. On the other hand, if Halros was convinced to leave the Shire, he dies TakingTheBullet for Horn. This leaves Horn a broken man who considers himself a coward and no longer worthy to be called Rohirrim. [[ThatManIsDead He asks that his name be put on the funeral pyre]] and leaves to an unknown fate.]]
3rd May '16 7:10:25 PM LoreDeluxe
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** The Battle of the Pelennor Fields is more brutal and despairing in the MMO than in any book, movie, and game that depicts its solely by virtue of the player being right in the middle of the action and many of the characters that are DoomedByCanon are characters that we have come to know and even care about. While the deaths of characters like Theoden and Halbarad are expected and can be prepared for, the fate of Horn is especially saddening. [[spoiler: If Halros was not convinced to leave the Shire, then Horn dies as he was foretold to leaving behind Nona as a widow and his child without a father. On the other hand, if Halros was convinced to leave the Shire, he dies TakingTheBullet for Horn. This leaves Horn a broken man who considers himself a coward and no longer worthy to be called Rohirrim. [[ThatManIsDead He asks that his name be put on the funeral pyre]] and leaves to an unknown fate.]]
28th Jan '16 1:23:49 PM TempestKnight
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** [[TheLoad Bingo Boffin]], mostly because the players do all the work in his questline. Some players were actually ''happy'' when [[spoiler: he fell into an underground river, and were hoping he drowned.]]

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** [[TheLoad Bingo Boffin]], mostly because the players do all the work in his questline. Some players were actually ''happy'' when [[spoiler: he fell into an underground river, and were hoping he drowned.]] [[spoiler: He didn't.]]
10th Jan '16 9:55:24 AM Gergich42
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** The bone-crunching noise heard when you've fallen from a great height
--->"Falling has caused an injury, slowing movement and impairing the ability to defend against attacks."



* TearJerker:
** When summoning the ranger Candaith to ride to Rohan to the aid of his chief Aragorn as a part of the Grey Company, he gives a small speech about how they do not know what they will face on the road, and that he will miss the lands that he calls home, but also that he knows the risks and that he will not break the oath he swore to Aragorn. Later in the same storyline, [[CallBack this exact scene is replicated]] in a cutscene. The reason for the cutscene? [[spoiler: Candaith had just died in battle]].
** The instance during the Epic quest, where you play Ori during the final stand in Moria. Ori dies fighting.
** The first quest of the Elf storyline has the player character's mentor, Talagan Silvertongue (whom the PC is hinted to have a close relationship with), sacrifice himself along with Skorgrim Dourhand, so that the latter can't get to some Elven relics. Ouch.
** In ''Rise of Isengard'', the death of [[DoomedByCanon Theodred]] at the Battle of the Fords of Isen. This comes after the player will have fought alongside him many times during the course of the epic storyline and greatly fleshed out his character from the unseen, posthumous character in Tolkien's novel.
** [[StarcrossedLovers Wynmar and Noriel]] in the Great River region, where the player serves as matchmaker for the Horse Lord, Wynmar and the Lorien Elf, Noriel. Not only does she rebuff his advances, but he becomes so heartbroken that he fails to pay any attention to the imminent Orc ambush upon the Rohirrim's camp. [[spoiler: Noriel arrives to late to prevent him from being mortally wounded, revealing that she ''did'' return his feelings, but lied because she believed their different cultures and her immortality would keep them apart]].
24th Dec '15 11:55:54 AM Gergich42
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* BaseBreaker: Helm's Deep brought about a complete class overhaul, intended to streamline and modernize a system that's seen nothing but tweaks and balance changes for five years now. Depending on whom you ask, this was either a refreshing and much-needed change that fixes the issue of having 50+ skills to memorize, or the game getting butchered and over-simplified.
** While many of the changes were implemented in a way to make veteran players not feel like they wasted their time before (such as making the old, grindy class Deeds into pre-requisites for some trait points) one area that frequently gets called out is the "processing" recipes for crafting. Basically Turbine noticed that 99% of item crafting was done improve skill proficiency rather than for use and added recipes that amounted to "Break 2 [X]s down into 4 [Y]s" and "Reform 4 [Y]s into 1 [X]", essentially letting the player just reprocess the same material over and over for skill increases (although the math insures that there will, barring critical successes, be only 50% returns so 100 ash boards whittled and reformed will only make 50). For some players this is a much needed addition that prevents the excessively mulling around areas since-outleveled just to farm extra crafting materials but to others it makes the higher levels of the crafting professions less exclusive and impressive.

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Helm's Deep brought about a complete class overhaul, intended to streamline and modernize a system that's seen nothing but tweaks and balance changes for five years now. Depending on whom you ask, this was either a refreshing and much-needed change that fixes the issue of having 50+ skills to memorize, or the game getting butchered and over-simplified.
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over-simplified. While many of the changes were implemented in a way to make veteran players not feel like they wasted their time before (such as making the old, grindy class Deeds into pre-requisites for some trait points) one area that frequently gets called out is the "processing" recipes for crafting. Basically Turbine noticed that 99% of item crafting was done improve skill proficiency rather than for use and added recipes that amounted to "Break 2 [X]s down into 4 [Y]s" and "Reform 4 [Y]s into 1 [X]", essentially letting the player just reprocess the same material over and over for skill increases (although the math insures that there will, barring critical successes, be only 50% returns so 100 ash boards whittled and reformed will only make 50). For some players this is a much needed addition that prevents the excessively mulling around areas since-outleveled just to farm extra crafting materials but to others it makes the higher levels of the crafting professions less exclusive and impressive.



* EndingFatigue: Volume I of the Epic story has a short Epilogue, tying up some loose ends left after the climax of the story. Volume II that followed it, however, has as many as ''twelve'' different Epilogues, enough to form another Book or even two.

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Volume I of the Epic story has a short Epilogue, tying up some loose ends left after the climax of the story. Volume II that followed it, however, has as many as ''twelve'' different Epilogues, enough to form another Book or even two.



* MemeticMutation: Isengard bids five.[[note]]At one point in Dunland, the player attends an auction for Dunlending merchants, where Saruman happens to make an appearance. He makes a bid on some of the supplies being sold, and even though one of the Dunlendings keeps bidding higher and higher to outdo him, Saruman just keeps bidding five. Due to the auctioneer not wishing to anger Saruman, he calls out Saruman's bid as the winning one, making it evident just how strong a grip Saruman has on Dunland. The line, "Isengard bids five" ended up a popular quote, often used in chat-channels.[[/note]]

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Isengard bids five.[[note]]At one point in Dunland, the player attends an auction for Dunlending merchants, where Saruman happens to make an appearance. He makes a bid on some of the supplies being sold, and even though one of the Dunlendings keeps bidding higher and higher to outdo him, Saruman just keeps bidding five. Due to the auctioneer not wishing to anger Saruman, he calls out Saruman's bid as the winning one, making it evident just how strong a grip Saruman has on Dunland. The line, "Isengard bids five" ended up a popular quote, often used in chat-channels.[[/note]]



* MostAnnoyingSound: The horn sounds in Skirmishes, intended to either draw your attention to objective updates or alert you that there's another wave of enemies incoming. You hear it ''a lot'', and there is no way to turn off that sound short of muting your speakers entirely.

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The horn sounds in Skirmishes, intended to either draw your attention to objective updates or alert you that there's another wave of enemies incoming. You hear it ''a lot'', and there is no way to turn off that sound short of muting your speakers entirely.



* MostWonderfulSound: The [[CounterAttack Block Response, Parry Response]], and Crit Response chimes (assuming you have them enabled). And to Lore-Masters, the Flank Response chime.

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The [[CounterAttack Block Response, Parry Response]], and Crit Response chimes (assuming you have them enabled). And to Lore-Masters, the Flank Response chime.



* {{Narm}}: Some of the generic sound-effects attributed to NPC's in place of actual voice-overs can come across as this, when used badly. Isildur cursing the hill-men that would become the oath-breakers? Pretty dramatic. Shouting "yaaaah" while doing so? Narm.

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Some of the generic sound-effects attributed to NPC's in place of actual voice-overs can come across as this, when used badly. Isildur cursing the hill-men that would become the oath-breakers? Pretty dramatic. Shouting "yaaaah" while doing so? Narm.



* PlayerPunch: After helping the Dunlending village of Lhan Tarren, you are sent to find a White Hand-emissary who is suspected to cause some trouble for the village in the close future. As it turns out, the village is attacked by the White Hand while you are out looking for him, and you return to find it burned to the ground, with the elder and many others that you helped now dead. What makes it even more effective is the fact that it is the first time many players get a chance to experience a subversion (well, visible/invisible NPC:s aside) of PerpetuallyStatic; After already experiencing so much that logically should have affected the game world, yet it never does, having it actually happen packs quite a punch.

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After helping the Dunlending village of Lhan Tarren, you are sent to find a White Hand-emissary who is suspected to cause some trouble for the village in the close future. As it turns out, the village is attacked by the White Hand while you are out looking for him, and you return to find it burned to the ground, with the elder and many others that you helped now dead. What makes it even more effective is the fact that it is the first time many players get a chance to experience a subversion (well, visible/invisible NPC:s aside) of PerpetuallyStatic; After already experiencing so much that logically should have affected the game world, yet it never does, having it actually happen packs quite a punch.



* ScrappyMechanic: Many players complain about monster-inflicted debuffs and some status effects, mainly because they usually last ''far'' longer than the combat itself, leaving the player saddled with a (sometimes very powerful) debuff through several combats, over the course of which he'll probably obtain yet ''more'' of them . . .

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Many players complain about monster-inflicted debuffs and some status effects, mainly because they usually last ''far'' longer than the combat itself, leaving the player saddled with a (sometimes very powerful) debuff through several combats, over the course of which he'll probably obtain yet ''more'' of them . . .



* ShootTheShaggyDog: The final two books of ''Shadows of Angmar''. You go on a mission to keep [[RingOfPower Narchuil]] from being reforged, only to be outmaneuvered at every turn. Eventually the ring falls back into [[TheStarscream Amarthiel's]] hands, and you have to go after her. You then fight a hopeless battle against her, only for [[NotQuiteDead Mordirith]] and [[TheDragon Mordrambor]] to show up and take it (and her hand) from her. ''Then'' Amarthiel turns [[HighHeelFaceTurn good]] and helps you thwart their plans, then decides to go after them herself. You kill Mordrambor, but Mordirith stabs Amarthiel (now known as Narmeleth) with his sword. She gets one last hit in before she dies, resulting in his own death. It can feel incredibly [[EndingFatigue drawn out]], to say the least.

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The final two books of ''Shadows of Angmar''. You go on a mission to keep [[RingOfPower Narchuil]] from being reforged, only to be outmaneuvered at every turn. Eventually the ring falls back into [[TheStarscream Amarthiel's]] hands, and you have to go after her. You then fight a hopeless battle against her, only for [[NotQuiteDead Mordirith]] and [[TheDragon Mordrambor]] to show up and take it (and her hand) from her. ''Then'' Amarthiel turns [[HighHeelFaceTurn good]] and helps you thwart their plans, then decides to go after them herself. You kill Mordrambor, but Mordirith stabs Amarthiel (now known as Narmeleth) with his sword. She gets one last hit in before she dies, resulting in his own death. It can feel incredibly [[EndingFatigue drawn out]], to say the least.



* ThatOneLevel: For unfamiliar players who have not got the hang of Guardians, "We Cannot Get Out" is ''not'' going to be fun.

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For unfamiliar players who have not got the hang of Guardians, "We Cannot Get Out" is ''not'' going to be fun.



** Garth Fricking Agarwen. Full of WAY overpowered Creoth soldiers and Wights, whoever thought this was a good idea for a player at level 32 must have been completely bonkers.
*** Garth Argarwen is basically a [[WakeUpCallBoss Wake-Up Call Region]]. It's explicitly designed for fellowships (not just the quests but the general mobs on the landscape) and it ''will'' trounce solo characters who tackle it on-level.

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** Garth Fricking Agarwen. Full of WAY overpowered Creoth soldiers and Wights, whoever thought this was a good idea for a player at level 32 must have been completely bonkers. \n*** Garth Argarwen is basically a [[WakeUpCallBoss Wake-Up Call Region]]. It's explicitly designed for fellowships (not just the quests but the general mobs on the landscape) and it ''will'' trounce solo characters who tackle it on-level.



* TearJerker: When summoning the ranger Candaith to ride to Rohan to the aid of his chief Aragorn as a part of the Grey Company, he gives a small speech about how they do not know what they will face on the road, and that he will miss the lands that he calls home, but also that he knows the risks and that he will not break the oath he swore to Aragorn. Later in the same storyline, [[CallBack this exact scene is replicated]] in a cutscene. The reason for the cutscene? [[spoiler: Candaith had just died in battle]].

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When summoning the ranger Candaith to ride to Rohan to the aid of his chief Aragorn as a part of the Grey Company, he gives a small speech about how they do not know what they will face on the road, and that he will miss the lands that he calls home, but also that he knows the risks and that he will not break the oath he swore to Aragorn. Later in the same storyline, [[CallBack this exact scene is replicated]] in a cutscene. The reason for the cutscene? [[spoiler: Candaith had just died in battle]].



* TheScrappy: Sara Oakheart. In addition to being awfully annoying during the multiple times [[EscortMission you have to rescue her]], [[spoiler: she gets even worse after TheReveal that she's actually [[JekyllAndHyde Narmeleth]]/[[ApocalypseMaiden Amarthiel]]]]!

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Sara Oakheart. In addition to being awfully annoying during the multiple times [[EscortMission you have to rescue her]], [[spoiler: she gets even worse after TheReveal that she's actually [[JekyllAndHyde Narmeleth]]/[[ApocalypseMaiden Amarthiel]]]]!



* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: The new expansion Helm's Deep revamp all the classes, switching from free-form traiting to a talent tree pretty much like Knights of the Old Republic. Cue people declaring the changes terrible and threatening to quit, just from some really vague developer notes.

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The new expansion Helm's Deep revamp all the classes, switching from free-form traiting to a talent tree pretty much like Knights of the Old Republic. Cue people declaring the changes terrible and threatening to quit, just from some really vague developer notes.



* UglyCute: A number of the weirder creatures in Middle Earth seem to fall into this category, like the cave-claws and the dragonets.

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A number of the weirder creatures in Middle Earth seem to fall into this category, like the cave-claws and the dragonets.
24th Dec '15 10:09:06 AM TempestKnight
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* TheScrappy: ''Lalia.'' Lalia, Lalia, Lalia. [[XMeetsY Combine]] the worst elements of TooDumbToLive with EscortMission, turn them UpToEleven, make the object of the quest completely defenseless, and ensure that players practically have to be in a fellowship to complete the quest (in a mostly soloable area), and you have the most hated character in all of Lotro.
** [[TheLoad Bingo Boffin]], mostly because the players do all the work in his questline. Some players were actually ''happy'' when [[spoiler: he fell into an underground river, and were hoping he drowned.]]



** The hobbit Lalia, who got lost in the Barrow-Downs and [[EscortMission needs to be rescued]] after believing a story that she can [[TooDumbToLive find a magical prince there]]. Some players (who have experienced this quest before and have become fed up with it) have admitted to activating the quest, only to walk off and leave Lalia to herself, [[VideoGameCrueltyPotential leading to her dying]] at the hands of the Barrow-Wights.

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** The hobbit ''Lalia.'' Lalia, who got lost in Lalia, Lalia. [[XMeetsY Combine]] the Barrow-Downs worst elements of TooDumbToLive with EscortMission, turn them UpToEleven, make the object of the quest completely defenseless, and [[EscortMission needs ensure that players practically have to be rescued]] after believing in a story that she can [[TooDumbToLive find fellowship to complete the quest (in a magical prince there]]. mostly soloable area), and you have the most hated character in all of Lotro. Some players (who have experienced this quest before and have become fed up with it) have admitted to activating the quest, only to walk off and leave Lalia to herself, [[VideoGameCrueltyPotential leading to her dying]] at the hands of the Barrow-Wights.


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** [[TheLoad Bingo Boffin]], mostly because the players do all the work in his questline. Some players were actually ''happy'' when [[spoiler: he fell into an underground river, and were hoping he drowned.]]
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