History YMMV / TheLordOfTheRings

22nd Apr '17 3:35:06 PM PrincessGwen
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** Denethor, opinions vary as whether he was a pitiable character or a total {{Jerkass}} who deserved what he got. It doesn't help that he was less fleshed out in the movies and made into [[AdaptationalVillainy somewhat of a villain]] rather than a AssholeVictim.

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** Denethor, opinions vary as whether he was a pitiable character or a total {{Jerkass}} who deserved what he got. It doesn't help that he was less fleshed out in the movies and made into [[AdaptationalVillainy somewhat of a villain]] rather than a an AssholeVictim.
21st Apr '17 2:10:13 PM Hyze
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*IAmNotShazam: The Nazgul are the Ringwraiths, not the giant dragon like beasts they ride on in Two Towers onward. To a book reader this is obvious, as would it be to anyone who actually listened to Aragorn call them that in a single line in Fellowship, yet there were still numerous people who referred to the flying mounts as Nazgul when the movie first came out. Part of this can be blamed on marketing, however, as in various other mediums such as toys, commercials, and video games the Nazgul were only referred to as "Ringwraiths". Also Faramir shouting out "Nazgul!" as the creatures fly over them at the end of Two Towers led people to believe he was just calling out the winged beast.
20th Apr '17 11:24:12 AM Anddrix
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* HellIsThatNoise: The shriek/howl of the Nazgul, the orc-drums in Moria, and the battle-horns in Minas Morgul are all cited. The horn at Helm's Deep apparently seems this way to Saruman's forces.



* HellIsThatNoise: The Nazgûl's screams are very unnerving. And they're actually a largely unaltered human performance, from none other than Peter Jackson's wife Fran Walsh.
10th Apr '17 5:43:43 PM DustSnitch
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** The same goes for those who consider it an allegory for Christianity; Tolkien similarly Jossed the idea that Gandalf's death and rebirth as Gandalf the White was [[MessianicArchetype supposed to invoke Jesus]]. This is borne out by the rest of the mythos, where it's revealed that Gandalf's "race"[[note]]for lack of a better term[[/note]] is basically a lesser Angel, and Tolkien did consider having the {{God}} figure appear as a mortal to drive out evil but ultimately discarded the idea.

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** The same goes for those who consider it an allegory for Christianity; Tolkien similarly Jossed the idea that Gandalf's death and rebirth as Gandalf the White was [[MessianicArchetype supposed to invoke Jesus]].be an allegory for Jesus's Resurrection]]. This is borne out by the rest of the mythos, where it's revealed that Gandalf's "race"[[note]]for lack of a better term[[/note]] is basically a lesser Angel, and Tolkien did consider having the {{God}} figure appear as a mortal to drive out evil but ultimately discarded the idea.
8th Apr '17 2:38:57 PM Occidensill
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** ''(sigh)'' [[HereWeGoAgain "They have a cave troll!"]]

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** ''(sigh)'' [[HereWeGoAgain [[ThisIsGonnaSuck "They have a cave troll!"]]
23rd Mar '17 8:19:00 PM Pren
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** After David Wenham was a victim of horrible ParentalFavoritism as Faramir, in ''Series/IronFist'' he's the one dishing out a case just as bad.
15th Mar '17 3:09:09 PM PrincessGwen
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** Sauron has his own tower and his kingdom is surrounded by a wall. This becomes a lot funnier after a [[Creator/DonaldTrump certain someone]] became the 45th President of the United States.
14th Mar '17 11:08:33 AM TheWanderer
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** At first glance the Shire seems like it's being held up as a paragon of {{Arcadia}}, but there's also a fair bit of criticism of the Shire: the hobbits living there are quite small minded, ignorant, and provincial, which makes them easy marks for Saruman when he chooses to set up a tin pot dictatorship there. (With the most small minded, ignorant and provincial hobbits generally being the ones most likely to turn into Saruman's lackeys, ala Ted Sandyman.) When the Shire needs to be saved from Saruman, it's not the good old hobbits who are uncorrupted by foreign influences and the outside world who do the saving (or at least lead the charge) it's the ones who have experience in the outside world and have forever been changed by its influences and their experiences in it. When the Shire needs to be rebuilt after Saruman is defeated, it isn't made more beautiful and wonderful than it was before by going back to the way it was, ([[TheSameButMore or by trying to reject outside influence and become more Shirish or properly hobbitish]]) but because Sam uses the gift of Lady Galadriel to introduce new trees and plants that had never been present in the Shire before. The story even goes so far as to have Gildor, [[CantArgueWithElves an elf noble]], rebuke the isolationism of the hobbits, pointing out that other people lived in the Shire before hobbits came, and will again after the hobbits are gone, and that however much hobbits try to isolate themselves in the Shire they are still part of a larger world that affects them regardless of how much they try to ignore it or remain separate from it. In the divided and increasingly xenophobic and isolationist days of the early 21st century, there is certainly some food for thought and resonance there.

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** At first glance the Shire seems like it's being held up as a paragon of {{Arcadia}}, but there's also a fair bit of criticism of the Shire: the hobbits living there are quite small minded, ignorant, and provincial, which makes them easy marks for Saruman when he chooses to set up a tin pot dictatorship there. (With the most small minded, ignorant and provincial hobbits generally being the ones most likely to turn into Saruman's lackeys, ala Ted Sandyman.) When the Shire needs to be saved from Saruman, it's not the good old hobbits who are uncorrupted by foreign influences and the outside world who do the saving (or at least lead the charge) it's the ones who have experience in the outside world and have forever been changed by its influences and their experiences in it. When the Shire needs to be rebuilt after Saruman is defeated, it isn't made more beautiful and wonderful than it was before by going back to the way it was, ([[TheSameButMore or by trying to reject outside influence and become more Shirish or properly hobbitish]]) but because Sam uses the gift of Lady Galadriel to introduce new trees and plants that had never been present in the Shire before. The story even goes so far as to have Gildor, [[CantArgueWithElves an elf noble]], rebuke the isolationism of the hobbits, pointing out that other people lived in the Shire before hobbits came, and will again after the hobbits are gone, and that however much hobbits try to isolate themselves in the Shire they are still part of a larger world that affects them regardless of how much they try to ignore it or remain separate from it. In the divided and increasingly xenophobic and isolationist days of the early 21st century, there is certainly some food for thought and resonance there.
28th Feb '17 12:36:11 PM SinNanna
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* SpecialEffectFailure:
** These start to pop up to the trained eye after repeated viewings.

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17th Feb '17 5:48:12 AM fusilcontrafusil
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* FairForItsDay: While Éowyn may not exactly measure up to modern standards of the ActionGirl concept, she is still meant to reflect female valour. In [[WordOfGod one of his letters]] Tolkien wrote that Éowyn was neither an Amazon soldier nor a nursemaid, but "like many brave women, was capable of great military gallantry at a crisis". So perhaps somewhere between the ActionSurvivor and HomeGuard.[[note]](as befitting the Dark Age Europe inspiration, the bulk of Middle-earth's militaries are more akin to the HomeGuard instead of standing warrior armies).[[/note]]
** Worth noting that in the third book she was supposed to stay at home to lead her people in the king's absence, and in case he and the direct heir (her brother) didn't come back - not merely because she was a girl. And that they decked her out in war gear for the occasion. Only her sneaking off with the war-host anyway was secret.

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* FairForItsDay: While Éowyn may not exactly measure up to modern standards of the ActionGirl concept, she is was still meant to reflect female valour. In [[WordOfGod one of of]] [[AllThereInTheManual his letters]] Tolkien wrote that Éowyn she was neither an Amazon soldier nor a nursemaid, but "like many brave women, was capable of great military gallantry at a crisis". So perhaps somewhere between she's probably best described not as a [[Series/XenaWarriorPrincess Xena-type]] warrior woman, but more like a female member of the ActionSurvivor and HomeGuard.[[note]](as befitting the inspired by Dark Age Europe inspiration, Europe, the bulk of Middle-earth's militaries in general are more akin closer to the HomeGuard instead of standing warrior armies).[[/note]]
** Worth noting that in the third book she was supposed to stay at home to lead her people in the king's absence, and in case he and the direct heir (her brother) didn't come back - not merely because she was a girl. And that they decked her out in war gear for the occasion. Only her sneaking off with the war-host war host anyway was secret.



* {{Flanderization}}: Fans and adaptations, especially derivative videogames, tend to just treat Éowyn as a simple ActionGirl instead of considering the book's more nuanced situation. (For a more straightforward example in Tolkien's works, see the female chieftain [[Literature/UnfinishedTalesOfNumenorAndMiddleEarth Haleth of the First Age,]] who got a whole tribe of Men named after her, wasn't unique among her own tribe at that, and alas, doesn't get nearly as much page-time.)

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* {{Flanderization}}: Fans and adaptations, especially derivative videogames, tend to just treat Éowyn as a simple ActionGirl regular warrior woman instead of considering the book's more nuanced situation. (For a more straightforward example in Tolkien's works, see the female chieftain [[Literature/UnfinishedTalesOfNumenorAndMiddleEarth Haleth of the First Age,]] who got a whole tribe one of the three main Houses of Men named after her, wasn't unique among had her own tribe at that, AmazonBrigade, and alas, doesn't get nearly as much page-time.)
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