History YMMV / TheLordOfTheRings

18th Apr '18 6:13:13 AM Phoenixion
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** [[http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/30726292_10214179064927899_2122841590966779904_n.jpg Never]] [[http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/30698634_10214145685533435_257188508609806336_n.jpg trust an elf!]][[note]]Well, except maybe [[Creator/LivTyler Arwen]] and [[Creator/EvangelineLilly Tauriel]].[[/note]]
13th Apr '18 1:28:59 PM SorPepita
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: The faceoff between Gandalf and the Witch-King beneath the broken gate of Minas Tirith has all the makings of a truly EPIC showdown...and then the cavalry arrives (literally). The way it plays out is still awesome, but many a reader has wondered how that battle would have gone if it hadn't been interrupted.

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: The faceoff between Gandalf and the Witch-King beneath the broken gate of Minas Tirith has all the makings of a truly EPIC showdown... and then the cavalry arrives (literally). The way it plays out is still awesome, but many a reader has wondered how that battle would have gone if it hadn't been interrupted.



** Inverted for some fans of the original books, who actually claimed that the ending was ''too short'' due to the Scouring of the Shire being turned into a vision that Galdriel gives to Frodo in the first film.

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** Inverted for some fans of the original books, who actually claimed that the ending was ''too short'' due to the Scouring of the Shire being turned into a vision that Galdriel Galadriel gives to Frodo in the first film.
28th Mar '18 5:43:30 AM Cenourinha
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** "THEY'RE TAKING THE HOBBITS TO ISENGARD!!" With the bonus of Orlando Bloom actually [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NGguk8VXYc&feature=player_embedded#at=10 performing the song in costume]] on his very last day of playing Legolas in ''Film/TheHobbit''.

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** "THEY'RE "[[StupidStatementDanceMix THEY'RE TAKING THE HOBBITS TO ISENGARD!!" ISENGARD!!]]" With [[MemeAcknowledgment the bonus bonus]] of Orlando Bloom actually [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NGguk8VXYc&feature=player_embedded#at=10 performing the song in costume]] on his very last day of playing Legolas in ''Film/TheHobbit''.
10th Mar '18 2:10:47 PM dvorak
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** Any PillarOfLight can be shown to terrify the Men of Gondor, for example, [[Disney/{{Frozen}} Elsa building her Ice Palace]].
5th Mar '18 2:04:05 AM TheWanderer
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** Every time someone from the "good guy races" acts in a xenophobic manner or follows isolationist orders against outsiders, it gets called out as stupid, counterproductive, and helping only Sauron.
3rd Mar '18 5:24:24 PM fearlessnikki
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** Who was the real hero - Sam or Frodo? WordOfGod favored Sam.

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** Who was the real hero - Sam or Frodo? WordOfGod favored Sam. A darker interpretation of Frodo's decision to take the ring to Mordor - maybe partially motivated by a desire to be close to the ring again.



* BaseBreakingCharacter:
** Tom Bombadil big time. Whether you enjoy his portion of the book or find it unnecessary is completely up in the air.
** Denethor, opinions vary as whether he was a pitiable character or a total {{Jerkass}} who deserved what he got. It doesn't help that he was less fleshed out in the movies and made into [[AdaptationalVillainy somewhat of a villain]] rather than an AssholeVictim.



** Whether one likes Tom Bombadil and his whole episode or not.
** Denethor, opinions vary as whether he was a pitiable character or a total {{Jerkass}} who deserved what he got. It doesn't help that he was less fleshed out in the movies and made into [[AdaptationalVillainy somewhat of a villain]] rather than an AssholeVictim.



* FairForItsDay: While Éowyn may not exactly measure up to modern standards of the ActionGirl concept, she was still meant to reflect female valour. In [[WordOfGod one of]] [[AllThereInTheManual his letters]] Tolkien wrote that she was neither an Amazon soldier nor a nursemaid, but "like many brave women, was capable of great military gallantry at a crisis". So she's probably best described not as a [[Series/XenaWarriorPrincess Xena-type]] warrior woman, but more like a female member of the HomeGuard.[[note]](as inspired by Dark Age Europe, the bulk of Middle-earth's militaries in general are closer to the HomeGuard instead of standing warrior armies).[[/note]]
** Worth noting that in the third book she was supposed to stay at home to lead her people in the king's absence, and in case he and the direct heir (her elder brother) didn't come back - not merely because she was a girl. And that they decked her out in war gear for the occasion. Only her sneaking off with the war host anyway was secret.

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* FairForItsDay: While Éowyn may not exactly measure up to modern standards of the ActionGirl concept, she was still meant to reflect female valour. In [[WordOfGod one of]] [[AllThereInTheManual his letters]] Tolkien wrote that she was neither an Amazon soldier nor a nursemaid, but "like many brave women, was capable of great military gallantry at a crisis". So she's probably best described not as a [[Series/XenaWarriorPrincess Xena-type]] warrior woman, but more like a female member of the HomeGuard.[[note]](as inspired by Dark Age Europe, the bulk of Middle-earth's militaries in general are closer to the HomeGuard instead of standing warrior armies).[[/note]]
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[[/note]] Worth noting that in the third book she was supposed to stay at home to lead her people in the king's absence, and in case he and the direct heir (her elder brother) didn't come back - not merely because she was a girl. And that they decked her out in war gear for the occasion. Only her sneaking off with the war host anyway was secret.



* HarsherInHindsight: It must be awkward looking at the title of ''The Two Towers'' after September 11, 2001.
** In fact, at least one person sued to block the release of the movie given that it was "obviously" referring to the events of 9/11. It was no doubt a surprise to that person that the book had been released in the 1950s.

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* HarsherInHindsight: It must be awkward looking at the title of ''The Two Towers'' after September 11, 2001.
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2001. In fact, at least one person sued to block the release of the movie given that it was "obviously" referring to the events of 9/11. It was no doubt a surprise to that person that the book had been released in the 1950s.



** Galadriel's big speech about what would happen if she took control of the ring, since she's played by Cate Blanchett. Cate stars in ''Film/ThorRagnarok'' as Hela - a death goddess who is indeed as "terrible as the dawn" [[spoiler: and it takes a literal apocalypse to stop her]].



** At the Battle of Helm's Deep, Théoden sends the women and children to hide in the caves... well, most of the children, at any rate. All boys able to bear a sword are torn from their mothers' arms and forcibly conscripted for what is sure to be a suicide mission. At the opposite end of the spectrum, very elderly and feeble men are also drafted, per Théoden's orders, and one of them starts the battle early when, unable to hold his bow steady, he accidentally shoots an Uruk Hai warrior. Unsurprisingly, the boys and old men are slaughtered, while the able-bodied women of soldiering age, who, though also untrained, would at least stand a better chance of not being instantly killed, cower in the caves, completely unutilized. Aside from the fact that most modern audiences associate child soldiers with tyrants like Joseph Kony, were it not for the assistance of the Elven reinforcements and the eleventh hour arrival of Gandalf with Éomer and the Rohirrim, every last person at Helm's Deep would have been killed. And, with a niece like Éowyn, it's not like the idea of a sword-wielding woman is completely alien to him.

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** At the Battle of Helm's Deep, Théoden sends the women and children to hide in the caves... well, most of the children, at any rate. All boys able to bear a sword are torn from their mothers' arms and forcibly conscripted for what is sure to be a suicide mission. At the opposite end of the spectrum, very elderly and feeble men are also drafted, per Théoden's orders, and one of them starts the battle early when, unable to hold his bow steady, he accidentally shoots an Uruk Hai warrior. Unsurprisingly, the boys and old men are slaughtered, while the able-bodied women of soldiering age, who, though also untrained, would at least stand a better chance of not being instantly killed, cower in the caves, completely unutilized. Aside from the fact that most modern audiences associate child soldiers with tyrants like Joseph Kony, were it not for the assistance of the Elven reinforcements and the eleventh hour arrival of Gandalf with Éomer and the Rohirrim, every last person at Helm's Deep would have been killed. And, with a niece like Éowyn, it's not like the idea of a sword-wielding woman is completely alien to him. Had the film been made ten years later, this portion would almost certainly not have been included.



* WTHCastingAgency: Some older [=LotR=] fans objected to Creator/ElijahWood being cast as Frodo, as they believed that he looked too childlike. However, it can be justified, as the book specifically points out that the Ring (which he acquired just as he came of age) stopped Frodo's aging.
** The timeline is different to the book anyway. Frodo is 33 (the cusp of adulthood for a Hobbit) at Bilbo's party. In the book, seventeen years pass before he sets out on the adventure; the film is a bit vague but certainly implies that Frodo sets off far sooner, possibly as little as a few days later.

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* WTHCastingAgency: Some older [=LotR=] fans objected to Creator/ElijahWood being cast as Frodo, as they believed that he looked too childlike. However, it can be justified, as the book specifically points out that the Ring (which he acquired just as he came of age) stopped Frodo's aging.
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aging. The timeline is different to the book anyway. Frodo is 33 (the cusp of adulthood for a Hobbit) at Bilbo's party. In the book, seventeen years pass before he sets out on the adventure; the film is a bit vague but certainly implies that Frodo sets off far sooner, possibly as little as a few days later.
2nd Mar '18 11:43:59 AM VanHohenheimOfXerxes
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** That infamous Nazgûl scream now sounds a bit like Website/FourChan's [[http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/reeeeeee REEEEEEE]] meme.
24th Feb '18 7:13:07 PM nombretomado
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** At first glance the Shire seems like it's being held up as a paragon of {{Arcadia}}, but there's also a fair bit of criticism of the Shire: the hobbits living there are quite small minded, ignorant, and provincial, which makes them easy marks for Saruman when he chooses to set up a tin pot dictatorship there. (With the most small minded, ignorant and provincial hobbits generally being the ones most likely to turn into Saruman's lackeys, ala Ted Sandyman.) When the Shire needs to be saved from Saruman, it's not the good old hobbits who are uncorrupted by foreign influences and the outside world who do the saving (or at least lead the charge) it's the ones who have experience in the outside world and have forever been changed by its influences and their experiences in it. When the Shire needs to be rebuilt after Saruman is defeated, it isn't made more beautiful and wonderful than it was before by going back to the way it was, ([[TheSameButMore or by trying to reject outside influence and become more Shirish or properly hobbitish]]) but because Sam uses the gift of Lady Galadriel to introduce new trees and plants that had never been present in the Shire before. The story even goes so far as to have Gildor, [[CantArgueWithElves an elf noble]], rebuke the isolationism of the hobbits, pointing out that however much hobbits try to isolate themselves in the Shire they are still part of a larger world that affects them regardless of how much they try to ignore it or remain separate from it. In the divided and increasingly xenophobic and isolationist days of the early 21st century, there is certainly some food for thought and resonance there.

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** At first glance the Shire seems like it's being held up as a paragon of {{Arcadia}}, but there's also a fair bit of criticism of the Shire: the hobbits living there are quite small minded, ignorant, and provincial, which makes them easy marks for Saruman when he chooses to set up a tin pot dictatorship there. (With the most small minded, ignorant and provincial hobbits generally being the ones most likely to turn into Saruman's lackeys, ala Ted Sandyman.) When the Shire needs to be saved from Saruman, it's not the good old hobbits who are uncorrupted by foreign influences and the outside world who do the saving (or at least lead the charge) it's the ones who have experience in the outside world and have forever been changed by its influences and their experiences in it. When the Shire needs to be rebuilt after Saruman is defeated, it isn't made more beautiful and wonderful than it was before by going back to the way it was, ([[TheSameButMore ([[Administrivia/TheSameButMore or by trying to reject outside influence and become more Shirish or properly hobbitish]]) but because Sam uses the gift of Lady Galadriel to introduce new trees and plants that had never been present in the Shire before. The story even goes so far as to have Gildor, [[CantArgueWithElves an elf noble]], rebuke the isolationism of the hobbits, pointing out that however much hobbits try to isolate themselves in the Shire they are still part of a larger world that affects them regardless of how much they try to ignore it or remain separate from it. In the divided and increasingly xenophobic and isolationist days of the early 21st century, there is certainly some food for thought and resonance there.
24th Feb '18 5:46:46 AM MisterTambourineMan
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** Theodin's line, "You have no power here!" has become a memetic way to mock someone's real or perceived powerlessness, ignoring [[InstantlyProvenWrong what happened next]] in the movie.
26th Jan '18 3:24:06 AM jormis29
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** After David Wenham was a victim of horrible ParentalFavoritism as Faramir, in ''Series/IronFist'' he's the one dishing out a case just as bad.

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** After David Wenham Creator/DavidWenham was a victim of horrible ParentalFavoritism as Faramir, in ''Series/IronFist'' he's the one dishing out a case just as bad.
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