History YMMV / TheLordOfTheRings

28th Jan '16 9:06:41 AM Unferth
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* HarsherInHindsight: Gollum once said about Sauron "He has only four (fingers) on the Black Hand, but they are enough. ..." Now we know, that it is much, much worse after it gets the fifth finger thanks to {{Manga/Berserk Kentaro Miura}}.
25th Jan '16 12:56:51 PM Inspeps
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* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: The Watcher In The Water. It shows up, attacks the Fellowship, gets shot in the face with an arrow, destroys the entrance to Moria behind them and then it's never even given a passing mention afterwards.
23rd Jan '16 9:19:44 AM SirSapphire
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** The Orc runner who carries the torch to set of the charges that breach Helm's Deep. For one thing he's completely shirtless and running down a trench of cheering, roaring Orcs. It'd be like some kind of twisted version of the Olympics if it weren't so ridiculous.
16th Jan '16 2:16:02 AM Ramidel
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* OnlyTheAuthorCanSaveThemNow: At the climax on Mount Doom, Frodo has ultimately fallen to TheCorruption and will not choose to throw the ring into the cracks. So Gollum has to try for the Ring and fall in himself, taking the Ring with him. In this case, the trope was consciously set up as a part of the themes of the book: No one ''could'' resist the Ring's corruption long enough to complete the quest, mirroring the fact that man cannot save himself without the aid of divine grace, and the event that ultimately saved the Quest resulted from an apparently independent choice made earlier (Bilbo's pity).
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* OnlyTheAuthorCanSaveThemNow: At the climax on Mount Doom, Frodo has ultimately fallen to TheCorruption and will not choose to throw the ring into the cracks. So Gollum has to try for the Ring and fall in himself, taking the Ring with him. In this case, the trope was consciously set up as a part of fits in with the previously-established themes of the book: No one ''could'' resist the Ring's corruption long enough to complete the quest, mirroring the fact that man cannot save himself without the aid of divine grace, and the event that ultimately saved the Quest resulted from an apparently independent choice made earlier (Bilbo's pity).
16th Jan '16 2:09:40 AM Ramidel
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* OnlyTheAuthorCanSaveThemNow: At the climax on Mount Doom, Frodo has ultimately fallen to TheCorruption and will not choose to throw the ring into the cracks. So Gollum has to try for the Ring and fall in himself, taking the Ring with him. In this case, the trope was consciously set up as a part of the themes of the book: No one ''could'' resist the Ring's corruption long enough to complete the quest, mirroring the fact that man cannot save himself without the aid of divine grace, and the event that ultimately saved the Quest resulted from an apparently independent choice made earlier (Bilbo's pity).
9th Jan '16 11:03:04 AM Redmess
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* HilariousInHindsight: When Galadriel gives gifts to the members of the Fellowship, most of them get some pretty cool items Sam, on the other hand gets a box of dirt, leaving the reader to ask, "[[Franchise/PiratesOfTheCaribbean Is the box of dirt going to help?]]"
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* HilariousInHindsight: HilariousInHindsight: ** When Galadriel gives gifts to the members of the Fellowship, most of them get some pretty cool items Sam, on the other hand gets a box of dirt, leaving the reader to ask, "[[Franchise/PiratesOfTheCaribbean Is the box of dirt going to help?]]"help?]]" ** The lighthouse imagery of the Eye of Sauron gets stronger throughout the books, up to and including a red beam sweeping over the Hobbits as they climb Mount Doom. Then come the movies, and the Eye of Sauron as a giant evil lighthouse become very literal.

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* HilariousInHindsight: When Galadriel gives gifts to Narm: Some lines in the members of the Fellowship, most of book come off as rather narmy, like "praise them get some pretty cool items Sam, on the other hand gets a box of dirt, leaving the reader to ask, "[[Franchise/PiratesOfTheCaribbean Is the box of dirt going to help?]]"with great praise" and "their joy was like swords".
9th Jan '16 10:36:49 AM Redmess
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* FandomBerserkButton: Many fans are grumpy about anyone spelling his surname "Tolkein" or pronouncing it "Tol-kin", "Tol-kyen" or "Tolky-yen" rather than "Tol-Keen". And even spelling "Middle-earth" as "Middle-Earth" in extreme cases.
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* FandomBerserkButton: FandomBerserkButton: ** Many fans are grumpy about anyone spelling his surname "Tolkein" or pronouncing it "Tol-kin", "Tol-kyen" or "Tolky-yen" rather than "Tol-Keen". And even spelling "Middle-earth" as "Middle-Earth" in extreme cases.

* HoYay: Hi, meet the fandom. Read the books. Go on the Internet in general. [[WordOfGod Tolkien himself apparently stated that Sam and Frodo were not in love with each other]], and Sam gets [[HappilyMarried happily]] and heterosexually married anyway, and it didn't slow the fandom down a bit.
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* HoYay: HoYay: ** Hi, meet the fandom. Read the books. Go on the Internet in general. [[WordOfGod Tolkien himself apparently stated that Sam and Frodo were not in love with each other]], and Sam gets [[HappilyMarried happily]] and heterosexually married anyway, and it didn't slow the fandom down a bit.

* InferredHolocaust: The Entwives, who lived in what is now the Brown Lands, after a campaign by Sauron. Extends to the whole Ent race, because without the other sex, there will be no new Ents. (WordOfGod confirms that [[spoiler:the Ents did "die out" after a fashion - the ones that weren't killed by something basically turned into trees]].) ** Which is a shame, because we need them now a lot more than we did then.
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* InferredHolocaust: InferredHolocaust: ** The Entwives, who lived in what is now the Brown Lands, after a campaign by Sauron. Extends to the whole Ent race, because without the other sex, there will be no new Ents. (WordOfGod confirms that [[spoiler:the Ents did "die out" after a fashion - the ones that weren't killed by something basically turned into trees]].) ** Which is a shame, because we need them now a lot more than we did then.)

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* NewerThanTheyThink ** Orcs and Balrogs - you'll find them in many generic fantasy settings alongside mythological creatures, but ''The Lord of the Rings'' is the first ([[Literature/TheSilmarillion published]]) work to use them. "Orc" is an Anglicized Elvish word ("Orch" in Sindarin, which gives the wonderfully apropos plural "Yrch"), while Balrog is Sindarin for "powerful demon."
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* NewerThanTheyThink NewerThanTheyThink: ** Orcs and Balrogs - - you'll find them in many generic fantasy settings alongside mythological creatures, but ''The Lord of the Rings'' is the first ([[Literature/TheSilmarillion published]]) work to use them. "Orc" is an Anglicized Elvish word ("Orch" in Sindarin, which gives the wonderfully apropos plural "Yrch"), while Balrog is Sindarin for "powerful demon."

* OlderThanTheyThink: The idea of a ring that makes you invisible goes back to the Ring of Gyges from Plato's ''Republic''. Considering how well-read Tolkien was, it's probably where he got the idea in the first place.
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* OlderThanTheyThink: OlderThanTheyThink: ** The idea of a ring that makes you invisible goes back to the Ring of Gyges from Plato's ''Republic''. Considering how well-read Tolkien was, it's probably where he got the idea in the first place.

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* WhatDoYouMeanItsNotDidactic: Just as the only evil in Lothlorien is evil that the visitor brings there, the only symbolism in ''Lord of the Rings'' is symbolism that the reader brings there. See Tolkien's quote under WhatDoYouMeanItsNotPolitical.
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* WhatDoYouMeanItsNotDidactic: WhatDoYouMeanItsNotDidactic: ** Just as the only evil in Lothlorien is evil that the visitor brings there, the only symbolism in ''Lord of the Rings'' is symbolism that the reader brings there. See Tolkien's quote under WhatDoYouMeanItsNotPolitical.

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* {{Narm}}: The entire film, even more so than the original Hobbit.
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* {{Narm}}: {{Narm}}: ** The entire film, even more so than the original Hobbit.

* NightmareFuel: The ram, Grond, looks like a wolf instead of a mechanical dragon, and actually seems to be alive as seen with its red saliva.
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* NightmareFuel: NightmareFuel: ** The ram, Grond, looks like a wolf instead of a mechanical dragon, and actually seems to be alive as seen with its red saliva.

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*** It really doesn't help that some scenes with just the two of them together (like after the battle of Helm's Deep) were originally supposed to be romantic scenes of Aragorn and ''Arwen.'' *** And not only Legolas. Viggo kissed Billy Boyd offscreen. [[http://demoisellecetra.tumblr.com/post/50836206556/tossme-after-viggo-mortensen-kissed-billy-boyd Really]]
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*** ** It really doesn't help that some scenes with just the two of them Aragorn and Legolas together (like after the battle of Helm's Deep) were originally supposed to be romantic scenes of Aragorn and ''Arwen.'' *** ** And not only Legolas. Viggo kissed Billy Boyd offscreen. [[http://demoisellecetra.tumblr.com/post/50836206556/tossme-after-viggo-mortensen-kissed-billy-boyd Really]]

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* NarmCharm: Many lines were perfectly fine originally, but have become Narm due to MemeticMutation. One does not simply walk into NarmCharm.
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* NarmCharm: NarmCharm: ** Many lines were perfectly fine originally, but have become Narm due to MemeticMutation. One does not simply walk into NarmCharm.

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* OlderThanTheyLook: Billy Boyd is actually the oldest of the four main Hobbit actors, and was in his early 30s when the films were made.
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* OlderThanTheyLook: OlderThanTheyLook: ** Billy Boyd is actually the oldest of the four main Hobbit actors, and was in his early 30s when the films were made.

* SpecialEffectFailure: These start to pop up to the trained eye after repeated viewings.
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* SpecialEffectFailure: SpecialEffectFailure: ** These start to pop up to the trained eye after repeated viewings.

* UglyCute: Gollum [[WhenHeSmiles when he smiles]].
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* UglyCute: UglyCute: ** Gollum [[WhenHeSmiles when he smiles]].

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* WhatAnIdiot: [[WhatAnIdiot/TheLordOfTheRings Has its own page]].
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* WhatAnIdiot: WhatAnIdiot: ** [[WhatAnIdiot/TheLordOfTheRings Has its own page]].
9th Jan '16 10:00:51 AM Redmess
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* AccidentalAesop: Tolkien's anti-war message conflicts rather badly to modern readers with Eowyn's position as an amazingly progressive ActionGirl for the time, giving the impression that her ending up happily hanging up her sword is saying that women should StayInTheKitchen.
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* AccidentalAesop: Tolkien's anti-war message conflicts rather badly to modern readers with Eowyn's position as an amazingly progressive ActionGirl for the time, giving the impression that her ending up happily hanging up her sword is saying that women should StayInTheKitchen. It does not help that she is the only one to explicitly do so.
4th Jan '16 1:36:40 AM Eagal
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* CrowningMusicOfAwesome: Leonard Rosenman's score.

* CrowningMusicOfAwesome ** To open it up, we get [[MrExposition the Minstrel of Gondor]] singing ''[[https://youtu.be/yW_ocZLaRdI Frodo of the Nine Fingers (And the Ring of Doom)]]''. ** Orcs groove out to the funky bass riffs of ''[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdXQJS3Yv0Y Where There's a Whip, There's a Way]]'', proving once again they are Tolkien's only characters that believe in the PowerOfRock (along with the efficacy of torture). ** The terrible things they say these days about Orcs... [[DeaderThanDisco they even say]] that [[Film/MysteryMen Disco is dead?]] [[DiscoDan Disco is Life!]] ** [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMhY59n7X-Y "The bearer of the ring, the wearer of the ring, he hears a voice compelling him..."]] ** [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVgZDcUQPEY "You are standing in the eye of the storm! Move an inch, and you'll be dead..."]]
3rd Jan '16 11:15:23 AM superboy313
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* CompleteMonster: [[BigBad Sauron]] is a demonstration of how those who were once noble can fall to great evil. Sauron was a once noble Maia who was swayed to Morgoth's side. Over time, Sauron's noble intentions for the world were replaced with vanity and lust for power. In the First Age, Sauron convinced a man to betray his comrades, showing him a vision of his beloved wife...once the man did what Sauron asked, Sauron revealed she was already dead and had his hapless pawn tortured to death as he [[ExactWords had promised to reunite them.]] Upon capturing the hero Beren and his companions, Sauron placed them in his dungeons where he allowed his werewolves to slowly pick the group off, one by one, to torment the survivors. After the defeat of his master, Sauron fled to Numenor, assuming the fair form of Annatar, the Bringer of Gifts and seduced Numenor towards darkness and evil until it was a Morgoth-worshipping theocracy that practiced human sacrifice. This was an act so unholy, Eru Illuvatar, the equivalent of God, stepped in to destroy Numenor. Even then, Sauron was not done, and tricked the other races with the Rings of Power, forging his master ring to enslave all that lived. In the Third age, he embarked on a genocidal war for conquest, seeking only to feed his lust for domination and megalomania.
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* CompleteMonster: [[BigBad Sauron]] is a demonstration of how those who were [[WellIntentionedExtremist once noble noble]] can [[TheDarkSideWillMakeYouForget fall to great evil.evil]]. Sauron was a once noble Maia who was swayed to Morgoth's side. Over time, Sauron's noble intentions for the world were replaced with vanity and lust for power. In the First Age, Sauron convinced a man to betray his comrades, showing him a vision of his beloved wife...once the man did what Sauron asked, Sauron revealed she was already dead and had his hapless pawn tortured to death as he [[ExactWords had promised to reunite them.]] Upon capturing the hero Beren and his companions, Sauron placed them in his dungeons where he allowed his werewolves to slowly pick the group off, one by one, to torment the survivors. After the defeat of his master, Sauron fled to Numenor, assuming the fair form of Annatar, the Bringer of Gifts and seduced Numenor towards darkness and evil until it was a Morgoth-worshipping theocracy that practiced human sacrifice. This was an act so unholy, Eru Illuvatar, the equivalent of God, stepped in to destroy Numenor. Even then, Sauron was not done, and tricked the other races with the Rings of Power, forging his master ring to enslave all that lived. In the Third age, he embarked on a genocidal war for conquest, seeking only to feed his lust for domination and megalomania.
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