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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Downplayed. The film doesn't side too much with [[spoiler:Aidan and Mia when it's revealed that they've been gaslighting Grace, but the justification that they're suspicious of and antagonistic towards her because of her past and their trauma about their mother rings hollow for some -- especially when they continue with the scheme after a catatonic Grace stands over their beds with a gun, and also after she walks for hours in nothing but a blanket to try to save their lives (at which point they double down on their insistence that they are all dead). Some either don't feel sympathy for their disturbing fates in the end, or outright believe that [[AssholeVictim they deserved it]].]]
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* TheScrappy: [[spoiler: Aiden and Mia ended up being widely reviled by audiences for their actions that [[MoralEventHorizon gaslit Grace and sent her over the edge]] and the [[IdiotPlot general stupidity of their scheme]], but Aiden especially so since he shows far less sincere guilt and remorse for what he does, and as the older of the two siblings is expected to have known better than to be so childishly cruel and stupid as he ended up acting throughout the entire ordeal.]]
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* IdiotPlot: One of the biggest criticisms of the film is that [[spoiler:Aidan and Mia's scheme is harebrained even for their young age, especially since they don't seem unaware of the gun in Grace's possession, and there's no way to escape should the woman they intentionally drove to madness attack them. And then there's also Richard's decision to leave Grace with his children in the lodge, who openly despise her, and show her where he keeps his gun for self-defense.]]
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* NightmareFuel: [[spoiler: The premise of two children gaslighting a kind woman, suffering from PTSD due to being a cult survivor, into madness, self-harm, and murder-suicide, all because they didn't like her marrying their father six months after their mother's suicide]].
** Well, not exactly - [[spoiler:they hated her, because they thought it was her fault their mother died due to her cult ties - they were at least partly correct, because she killed herself after Richard told her he's going to marry Grace]].
** However, [[spoiler: it wasn't Grace's fault that the mother committed suicide. The mother clearly had issues of her own, since mentally stable people don't kill themselves because their exes remarried. The children's hatred is ultimately misplaced and pointless. To be fair, this irrational resentment is common for children when it comes to divorces and remarriage, plus the added layer that they seem to truly believe their mother is damned to Hell due to committing suicide, so they see Grace as responsible not just for their mother's death but her eternal damnation.]]
** Well, not exactly - [[spoiler:they hated her, because they thought it was her fault their mother died due to her cult ties - they were at least partly correct, because she killed herself after Richard told her he's going to marry Grace]].
** However, [[spoiler: it wasn't Grace's fault that the mother committed suicide. The mother clearly had issues of her own, since mentally stable people don't kill themselves because their exes remarried. The children's hatred is ultimately misplaced and pointless. To be fair, this irrational resentment is common for children when it comes to divorces and remarriage, plus the added layer that they seem to truly believe their mother is damned to Hell due to committing suicide, so they see Grace as responsible not just for their mother's death but her eternal damnation.]]
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* NightmareFuel: [[spoiler: The premise of two children gaslighting a kind woman, suffering from PTSD due to being a cult survivor, into madness, self-harm, and murder-suicide, all because they didn't like her marrying their father six months after their mother's suicide]].
** Well, not exactly - [[spoiler:they hated her, because theythought it was her fault their mother died due to her cult ties - they were at least partly correct, because ties. While she killed herself after Richard told her he's he was going to marry Grace]].
** However, [[spoiler:Grace, it wasn't Grace's fault that the mother committed suicide. The mother clearly had issues of her own, since mentally stable people don't kill themselves because their exes remarried. The suicide; the children's hatred is ultimately misplaced misplaced, and pointless. To be fair, this irrational resentment is common an innocent woman suffers heavily for children when it comes to divorces and remarriage, plus the added layer that they seem to truly believe their mother is damned to Hell due to committing suicide, so they see Grace as responsible not just for their mother's death but her eternal damnation.it.]]
** Well, not exactly - [[spoiler:they hated her, because they
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** However, [[spoiler: it wasn't Grace's fault that the mother committed suicide. The mother clearly had issues of her own, since mentally stable people don't kill themselves because their exes remarried. The children's hatred is ultimately misplaced and pointless. To be fair, this irrational resentment is common for children when it comes to divorces and remarriage, plus the added layer that they seem to truly believe their mother is damned to Hell due to committing suicide, so they see Grace as responsible not just for their mother's death but her eternal damnation.]]
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* TheScrappy: [[spoiler: Aiden and Mia ended up being widely reviled by audiences for their actions that [[MoralEventHorizon gaslit Grace and sent her over the edge]] and the [[IdiotPlot general stupidity of their scheme]], but Aiden especially so since he shows far less sincere guilt and remorse for what he does, and as the older of the two siblings is expected to have known better than to be so childishly cruel and stupid as he ended up acting throughout the entire ordeal.]]
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* IdiotPlot: One of the biggest criticisms of the film is that [[spoiler:Aidan and Mia's scheme is harebrained even for their young age, especially since they don't seem unaware of the gun in Grace's possession, and there's no way to escape should the woman they intentionally drove to madness attack them. And then there's also Richard decision to leave Grace with his children in the lodge, who openly despises her, and show her where he keeps his gun for self-defense.]]
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* IdiotPlot: One of the biggest criticisms of the film is that [[spoiler:Aidan and Mia's scheme is harebrained even for their young age, especially since they don't seem unaware of the gun in Grace's possession, and there's no way to escape should the woman they intentionally drove to madness attack them. And then there's also Richard Richard's decision to leave Grace with his children in the lodge, who openly despises despise her, and show her where he keeps his gun for self-defense.]]
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** Well, not exactly - [[spoiler: they [[spoiler:they hated her, because they thought it was her fault their mother died due to her cult ties - they were at least partly correct, because she killed herself after Richard told her he's going to marry Grace]].
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** Well, not exactly - [[spoiler: They they hated her, because they thought it was her fault their mother died due to her cult ties - they were at least partly correct, because she killed herself after Richard told her he's going to marry Grace]].
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* MoralEventHorizon: [[spoiler: A huge chunk of the audience believed the children crossed it when it's revealed that they were gaslighting Grace throughout their entire stay in the lodge, while stealing her medication and possibly drugging her, and then letting her dog outside to freeze to death (albeit unintentionally). Many audience goers have come away believing the children to be more evil than [[Film/TheOmen Damien Thorn]].]]
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* MoralEventHorizon: [[spoiler: A huge chunk of the audience believed the children crossed it when it's revealed that they were gaslighting Grace throughout their entire stay in the lodge, while stealing her medication and possibly drugging her, and then letting her dog outside to freeze to death (albeit unintentionally). Many audience goers have come away believing the children to be more evil than [[Film/TheOmen Damien Thorn]].Thorn]] and that their fates in the end was a case of CatharsisFactor at work.]]
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* TheWoobie: Poor Grace. She had an extremely traumatic childhood, and though she's somewhat fragile, she's good-hearted and genuinely makes an effort to connect with the children, who rebuff her. [[spoiler: [[TraumaCongaLine She then becomes a victim to Aidan and Mia's gaslighting activities, having her food and medication stolen, tricked into believing that she and the children are stuck in purgatory, being forced to walk into a blizzard to for help whilst reliving her trauma with the cult, and then find her beloved pet dog frozen to death]]. By the time Aidan and Mia tries to confess to their cruelty out of guilt, it proves to be far too late as Grace's mind had already reverted back to resuming her cult's teachings, and ends up killing Richard, and presumably the children and herself, in a murder-suicide.]]
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* TheWoobie: Poor Grace. She had an extremely traumatic childhood, and though she's somewhat fragile, she's good-hearted and genuinely makes an effort to connect with the children, who rebuff her. [[spoiler: [[TraumaCongaLine She then becomes a victim to Aidan and Mia's gaslighting activities, having her food and medication stolen, tricked into believing that she and the children are stuck in purgatory, being forced to walk into a blizzard to look for help whilst while reliving her trauma with the cult, and then find her beloved pet dog frozen to death]]. By the time Aidan and Mia tries to confess to their cruelty out of guilt, it proves to be far too late as Grace's mind had already reverted back to resuming her cult's teachings, and ends up killing Richard, and presumably the children and herself, in a murder-suicide.]]
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* IdiotPlot: One of the biggest criticisms of the film is that [[spoiler:Aidan and Mia's scheme is harebrained even for their young age, especially since they don't seem unaware of the gun in Grace's possession, and there's no way to escape should the woman they intentionally drove to madness attack them.]]
* MoralEventHorizon: [[spoiler: A huge chunk of the audience believed the children crossed it when they killed Grace's dog, by accident or not.]]
** [[spoiler: That's not including the revelation that they stole her food and medication while trying to gaslight her. Many audience goers have come away believing the children to be more evil than Damien Thorne.]]
* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Downplayed. The film doesn't side too much with [[spoiler:Aidan and Mia when it's revealed that they've been gaslighting Grace, but the justification that they're suspicious of and antagonistic towards her because of her past and their trauma about their mother rings hollow for some -- especially when they continue with the scheme after a catatonic Grace stands over their beds with a gun, and also after she walks for hours in nothing but a blanket to try to save their lives (at which point they double down on their insistence that they are all dead). Some either don't feel sympathy for their disturbing fates in the end, or outright believe that they deserved it.]]
* TheWoobie: Poor Grace. She had an extremely traumatic childhood, and though she's somewhat fragile, she's good-hearted and genuinely makes an effort to connect with the children, who rebuff her. [[spoiler:And though the film teases the idea of her being suspect, it's revealed in the end that she really didn't do anything wrong, and was DrivenToMadness by Aidan and Mia.]]
* MoralEventHorizon: [[spoiler: A huge chunk of the audience believed the children crossed it when they killed Grace's dog, by accident or not.]]
** [[spoiler: That's not including the revelation that they stole her food and medication while trying to gaslight her. Many audience goers have come away believing the children to be more evil than Damien Thorne.]]
* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Downplayed. The film doesn't side too much with [[spoiler:Aidan and Mia when it's revealed that they've been gaslighting Grace, but the justification that they're suspicious of and antagonistic towards her because of her past and their trauma about their mother rings hollow for some -- especially when they continue with the scheme after a catatonic Grace stands over their beds with a gun, and also after she walks for hours in nothing but a blanket to try to save their lives (at which point they double down on their insistence that they are all dead). Some either don't feel sympathy for their disturbing fates in the end, or outright believe that they deserved it.]]
* TheWoobie: Poor Grace. She had an extremely traumatic childhood, and though she's somewhat fragile, she's good-hearted and genuinely makes an effort to connect with the children, who rebuff her. [[spoiler:And though the film teases the idea of her being suspect, it's revealed in the end that she really didn't do anything wrong, and was DrivenToMadness by Aidan and Mia.]]
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* IdiotPlot: One of the biggest criticisms of the film is that [[spoiler:Aidan and Mia's scheme is harebrained even for their young age, especially since they don't seem unaware of the gun in Grace's possession, and there's no way to escape should the woman they intentionally drove to madness attack them. And then there's also Richard decision to leave Grace with his children in the lodge, who openly despises her, and show her where he keeps his gun for self-defense.]]
* MoralEventHorizon: [[spoiler: A huge chunk of the audience believed the children crossed it whenthey killed Grace's dog, by accident or not.]]
** [[spoiler: That's not including the revelationit's revealed that they stole were gaslighting Grace throughout their entire stay in the lodge, while stealing her food and medication while trying and possibly drugging her, and then letting her dog outside to gaslight her. freeze to death (albeit unintentionally). Many audience goers have come away believing the children to be more evil than [[Film/TheOmen Damien Thorne.Thorn]].]]
* NightmareFuel: [[spoiler: The premise of two children gaslighting a kind woman, suffering from PTSD due to being a cult survivor, into madness, self-harm, and murder-suicide, all because they didn't like her marrying their father six months after their mother's suicide]].
* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Downplayed. The film doesn't side too much with [[spoiler:Aidan and Mia when it's revealed that they've been gaslighting Grace, but the justification that they're suspicious of and antagonistic towards her because of her past and their trauma about their mother rings hollow for some -- especially when they continue with the scheme after a catatonic Grace stands over their beds with a gun, and also after she walks for hours in nothing but a blanket to try to save their lives (at which point they double down on their insistence that they are all dead). Some either don't feel sympathy for their disturbing fates in the end, or outright believe that [[AssholeVictim they deservedit.it]].]]
* TheWoobie: Poor Grace. She had an extremely traumatic childhood, and though she's somewhat fragile, she's good-hearted and genuinely makes an effort to connect with the children, who rebuff her.[[spoiler:And though the film teases the idea of her being suspect, it's revealed in the end that she really didn't do anything wrong, and was DrivenToMadness by [[spoiler: [[TraumaCongaLine She then becomes a victim to Aidan and Mia.Mia's gaslighting activities, having her food and medication stolen, tricked into believing that she and the children are stuck in purgatory, being forced to walk into a blizzard to for help whilst reliving her trauma with the cult, and then find her beloved pet dog frozen to death]]. By the time Aidan and Mia tries to confess to their cruelty out of guilt, it proves to be far too late as Grace's mind had already reverted back to resuming her cult's teachings, and ends up killing Richard, and presumably the children and herself, in a murder-suicide.]]
* MoralEventHorizon: [[spoiler: A huge chunk of the audience believed the children crossed it when
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* NightmareFuel: [[spoiler: The premise of two children gaslighting a kind woman, suffering from PTSD due to being a cult survivor, into madness, self-harm, and murder-suicide, all because they didn't like her marrying their father six months after their mother's suicide]].
* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Downplayed. The film doesn't side too much with [[spoiler:Aidan and Mia when it's revealed that they've been gaslighting Grace, but the justification that they're suspicious of and antagonistic towards her because of her past and their trauma about their mother rings hollow for some -- especially when they continue with the scheme after a catatonic Grace stands over their beds with a gun, and also after she walks for hours in nothing but a blanket to try to save their lives (at which point they double down on their insistence that they are all dead). Some either don't feel sympathy for their disturbing fates in the end, or outright believe that [[AssholeVictim they deserved
* TheWoobie: Poor Grace. She had an extremely traumatic childhood, and though she's somewhat fragile, she's good-hearted and genuinely makes an effort to connect with the children, who rebuff her.
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** Does Grace [[spoiler: Realize the truth at least partially after shooting Richard? If so is she only trying to make the kids sweat in the final scene, or really planning to kill them out of revenge?]]
** Did Aidan [[spoiler:really feel bad about Grady dying, or was he only pretending to for his sisters benefit?]]
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* MoralEventHorizon: [[spoiler: A huge chunk of the audience believed the children crossed it when they killed Grace's dog, by accident or not.]]
** [[spoiler: That's not including the revelation that they stole her food and medication while trying to gaslight her. Many audience goers have come away believing the children to be more evil than Damien Thorne.]]
** [[spoiler: That's not including the revelation that they stole her food and medication while trying to gaslight her. Many audience goers have come away believing the children to be more evil than Damien Thorne.]]
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* IdiotPlot: One of the biggest criticisms of the film is that [[spoiler:Aidan and Mia's scheme is harebrained even for their young age, especially since they don't seem unaware of the gun in Grace's possession, and there's no way to escape should the woman they intentionally drove to madness attack them.]]
* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Downplayed. The film doesn't side too much with [[spoiler:Aidan and Mia when it's revealed that they've been gaslighting Grace, but the justification that they're suspicious of and antagonistic towards her because of her past and their trauma about their mother rings hollow for some -- especially when they continue with the scheme after a catatonic Grace stands over their beds with a gun, and also after she walks for hours in nothing but a blanket to try to save their lives (at which point they double down on their insistence that they are all dead). Some either don't feel sympathy for their disturbing fates in the end, or outright believe that they deserved it.]]
* TheWoobie: Poor Grace. She had an extremely traumatic childhood, and though she's somewhat fragile, she's good-hearted and genuinely makes an effort to connect with the children, who rebuff her. [[spoiler:And though the film teases the idea of her being suspect, it's revealed in the end that she really didn't do anything wrong, and was DrivenToMadness by Aidan and Mia.]]
* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Downplayed. The film doesn't side too much with [[spoiler:Aidan and Mia when it's revealed that they've been gaslighting Grace, but the justification that they're suspicious of and antagonistic towards her because of her past and their trauma about their mother rings hollow for some -- especially when they continue with the scheme after a catatonic Grace stands over their beds with a gun, and also after she walks for hours in nothing but a blanket to try to save their lives (at which point they double down on their insistence that they are all dead). Some either don't feel sympathy for their disturbing fates in the end, or outright believe that they deserved it.]]
* TheWoobie: Poor Grace. She had an extremely traumatic childhood, and though she's somewhat fragile, she's good-hearted and genuinely makes an effort to connect with the children, who rebuff her. [[spoiler:And though the film teases the idea of her being suspect, it's revealed in the end that she really didn't do anything wrong, and was DrivenToMadness by Aidan and Mia.]]