History YMMV / TheLegendOfSpyro

24th Mar '17 9:26:15 AM TokoWH
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* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: In Dawn of the Dragon, Spyro briefly turns into Dark Spyro due to his grief and anger over Ignitus' death. However, Cynder easily talks him out of it and Spyro never goes dark again.

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In Dawn of the Dragon, Spyro briefly turns into Dark Spyro due to his grief and anger over Ignitus' death. However, Cynder easily talks him out of it and Spyro never goes dark again.again.
** Considering how little foreshadowing it got, [[spoiler: Cynder being rescued from Malefor's control again in ''Dawn of the Dragon'' by ThePowerOfLove]] can come off as this, since there was absolutely ''nothing'' that seemed to implied [[spoiler: she and Spyro had deeper feelings for one another outside of a possible friendship.]]



* StrangledByTheRedString: Even though it's a ''large'' portion of the fanbase's OneTruePairing, and many are ''very'' vicious about those who criticize it... Spyro and Cynder's relationship is this. Over the course of the series, they didn't show any interest in each other outside of a friendship, and Cynder was quite snappy with Spyro throughout [=DotD=]. As such, [[spoiler: ThePowerOfLove rescuing Cynder after she fell under Malefor's control again in that game]] may have come completely out of the left field for some, to the point it borders on {{narm}} for both hardcore fans and people who like the pairing. [[WordOfGod According to Jared Pullen, the lead artist of the trilogy]], this was because [[http://dragonoficeandfire.deviantart.com/journal/Q-A-with-Jared-Pullen-lead-concept-artist-of-TLoS-556546930 Spyro and Cynder]] ''weren't'' intended to get together originally. However, the [[OneTruePairing very vocal]] fans on that subject eventually made them decide to ThrowItIn late in development, which explains why it feels so sudden in-game. Unfortunately, this has led to some seeing the relationship in a rather unflattering light... See AlternativeCharacterInterpretation above.

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* StrangledByTheRedString: Even though it's a ''large'' portion of the fanbase's OneTruePairing, and many are ''very'' vicious about those who criticize it... Spyro and Cynder's relationship is this. Over the course of the series, they didn't show any interest in each other outside of a friendship, and Cynder was quite snappy with Spyro throughout [=DotD=]. As such, [[spoiler: ThePowerOfLove rescuing Cynder after she fell under Malefor's control again in that game]] [[BigLippedAlligatorMoment may have come completely out of the left field for some, some]], to the point it borders on {{narm}} for both hardcore fans and people who like the pairing. [[WordOfGod According to Jared Pullen, the lead artist of the trilogy]], this was because [[http://dragonoficeandfire.deviantart.com/journal/Q-A-with-Jared-Pullen-lead-concept-artist-of-TLoS-556546930 Spyro and Cynder]] ''weren't'' intended to get together originally. However, the [[OneTruePairing very vocal]] fans on that subject eventually made them decide to ThrowItIn late in development, which explains why it feels so sudden in-game. Unfortunately, this has led to some seeing the relationship in a rather unflattering light... See AlternativeCharacterInterpretation above.
23rd Mar '17 6:14:45 AM Galiris8198
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* BaseBreaker: Cynder, ironically ''because'' of how popular she was with the fandom initially. Even disregarding Classic series fans or [[ShipToShipCombat Shipping Wars]] regarding her and [[VideoGame/SpyroAHerosTail Ember]], her fans tend to grate on people who didn't like her, were originally neutral on her, or even ''liked her originally'' due to playing up her past to {{Wangst}}y levels, and for the fact that the number of FanWorks focusing on [[PlotTumor Cynder and/or her past]] ''vastly'' out number the amount of FanWorks that focus on any other Spyro series character, including ''Spyro himself'', to the point he often ends up being DemotedToExtra frequently. There's also a third camp that insists she has potential as a character as well, if people would just stop focusing on her DarkAndTroubledPast and more on her growth as a character, pointing out how even ''Dawn of the Dragon'' had her as a bit short tempered and snappy with those around her.

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* BaseBreaker: BaseBreakingCharacter: Cynder, ironically ''because'' of how popular she was with the fandom initially. Even disregarding Classic series fans or [[ShipToShipCombat Shipping Wars]] regarding her and [[VideoGame/SpyroAHerosTail Ember]], her fans tend to grate on people who didn't like her, were originally neutral on her, or even ''liked her originally'' due to playing up her past to {{Wangst}}y levels, and for the fact that the number of FanWorks focusing on [[PlotTumor Cynder and/or her past]] ''vastly'' out number the amount of FanWorks that focus on any other Spyro series character, including ''Spyro himself'', to the point he often ends up being DemotedToExtra frequently. There's also a third camp that insists she has potential as a character as well, if people would just stop focusing on her DarkAndTroubledPast and more on her growth as a character, pointing out how even ''Dawn of the Dragon'' had her as a bit short tempered and snappy with those around her.
12th Feb '17 8:46:06 PM thebluebus
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: Dark Spyro. Despite being Spyro's Super-PoweredEvilSide, he barely, if at all, affects the plot. The only noticeable thing he does is kill Gaul and that's it.
12th Feb '17 4:47:29 PM thebluebus
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* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: In Dawn of the Dragon, Spyro briefly turns into Dark Spyro due to his grief and anger over Ignitus' death. However, Cynder easily talks him out of it and Spyro never goes dark again.
7th Dec '16 1:19:31 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* CompleteMonster: [[KnightOfCerebus Malefor]], who is [[BigBad behind the evil of the entire trilogy]], is an evil dragon, banished by the Dragon Elders for his {{ambition|Is Evil}}, power and limitless evil. Waging war against his own kind, [[NamesToRunAwayFromReallyFast Malefor]] slaughtered countless people before being sealed away. Upon his orders, his ape servants smash the eggs of the purple dragons and overrun the rest of dragonkind. [[TheChessmaster Manipulating Spyro into freeing him]], Malefor attempts to forcibly corrupt him and his fellow dragon Cynder. Malefor then turned his entire army of ape servants into undead living skeletons and spread plague and destruction throughout the world. Malefor then prepared to bring about "The Great Cleansing": [[OmnicidalManiac the extermination of all life in the world]] save that which he could corrupt, to craft a new world in his own twisted image. Despite appearing to be benevolent in his early years; Malefor was a living symbol of ambition and wrath who had no morals and was determined to fulfill his delusions of the Purple Dragons marking him as the most darkest and vile villain in the Spyro franchise even putting [[ImmortalityImmorality The Sorceress]] to shame out of sheer depravity.

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* CompleteMonster: [[KnightOfCerebus Malefor]], who is [[BigBad behind the evil of the entire trilogy]], is an evil dragon, banished by the Dragon Elders for his {{ambition|Is Evil}}, power and limitless evil. Waging war against his own kind, [[NamesToRunAwayFromReallyFast Malefor]] slaughtered countless people before being sealed away. Upon his orders, his ape servants smash the eggs of the purple dragons and overrun the rest of dragonkind. [[TheChessmaster Manipulating Spyro into freeing him]], Malefor attempts to forcibly corrupt him and his fellow dragon Cynder. Malefor then turned his entire army of ape servants into undead living skeletons and spread plague and destruction throughout the world. Malefor then prepared to bring about "The Great Cleansing": [[OmnicidalManiac the extermination of all life in the world]] save that which he could corrupt, to craft a new world in his own twisted image. Despite appearing to be benevolent in his early years; Malefor was a living symbol of ambition and wrath who had no morals and was determined to fulfill his delusions of the Purple Dragons marking him as the most darkest and vile villain in the Spyro franchise even putting [[ImmortalityImmorality The Sorceress]] to shame out of sheer depravity.
7th Dec '16 1:10:49 PM Nuk3dragon
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* CompleteMonster: [[KnightOfCerebus Malefor]], who is [[BigBad behind the evil of the entire trilogy]], is an evil dragon, banished by the Dragon Elders for his {{ambition|Is Evil}}, power and limitless evil. Waging war against his own kind, [[NamesToRunAwayFromReallyFast Malefor]] slaughtered countless people before being sealed away. Upon his orders, his ape servants smash the eggs of the purple dragons and overrun the rest of dragonkind. [[TheChessmaster Manipulating Spyro into freeing him]], Malefor attempts to forcibly corrupt him and his fellow dragon Cynder. Malefor then turned his entire army of ape servants into undead living skeletons and spread plague and destruction throughout the world. Malefor then prepared to bring about "The Great Cleansing": [[OmnicidalManiac the extermination of all life in the world]] save that which he could corrupt, to craft a new world in his own twisted image.

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* CompleteMonster: [[KnightOfCerebus Malefor]], who is [[BigBad behind the evil of the entire trilogy]], is an evil dragon, banished by the Dragon Elders for his {{ambition|Is Evil}}, power and limitless evil. Waging war against his own kind, [[NamesToRunAwayFromReallyFast Malefor]] slaughtered countless people before being sealed away. Upon his orders, his ape servants smash the eggs of the purple dragons and overrun the rest of dragonkind. [[TheChessmaster Manipulating Spyro into freeing him]], Malefor attempts to forcibly corrupt him and his fellow dragon Cynder. Malefor then turned his entire army of ape servants into undead living skeletons and spread plague and destruction throughout the world. Malefor then prepared to bring about "The Great Cleansing": [[OmnicidalManiac the extermination of all life in the world]] save that which he could corrupt, to craft a new world in his own twisted image. Despite appearing to be benevolent in his early years; Malefor was a living symbol of ambition and wrath who had no morals and was determined to fulfill his delusions of the Purple Dragons marking him as the most darkest and vile villain in the Spyro franchise even putting [[ImmortalityImmorality The Sorceress]] to shame out of sheer depravity.
28th Nov '16 7:58:00 AM themisterfree
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* ScrappyMechanic: Let's just say that thanks to the block/evade system, some people with the UsefulNotes/{{Wii}} version of DotD demand to know why support for the classic controller wasn't implemented.

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* ScrappyMechanic: Let's just say that thanks to the block/evade system, some people with the UsefulNotes/{{Wii}} version of DotD ''[=DotD=]'' demand to know why support for the classic controller wasn't implemented.



* VindicatedByHistory: Granted, there's still quite a bit of a BrokenBase when it comes to this and the Classic series, but in general, a lot of the debate and arguments over this series have died down since ''VideoGame/{{Skylanders}}'' became a thing, with even quite a few Classic only fans willing to admit this trilogy is at least better than it, if only because it actually stars Spyro instead of him being a side characters in his own series.
* TheWoobie: Both Spyro ''and'' Cynder, though Cynder arguably has it worse than Spyro. Spyro no doubt suffers greatly throughout everything and ultimately is pushed across the DespairEventHorizon by Malefor, but Cynder's life in general has been one long living nightmare. She was BrainWashedAndCrazy for most of her life into doing unspeakable things to her own kind and when she's finally free, she remembers every horrible thing she did during that time and feels guilty about it all (and she's a 12 year old kid at this point!) to the point she runs away from her friends and home because she can't stand it anymore. Not to mention Sparx being a pretty big {{Jerkass}} to her. And in the third game people repeatedly continue to blame her for what she did under Malefor's control, including the Hermit scene which seems to exist only to show the fate of the Apes and make Cynder suffer. Finally, she ends up getting sent over the DespairEventHorizon by Malefor as well and [[spoiler: gets BrainWashedAndCrazy all over again, forcing her to attack her own love interest!]] At least Spyro had a loving adopted family to help him through it all!

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* VindicatedByHistory: Granted, there's still quite a bit of a BrokenBase when it comes to this and the Classic series, but in general, a lot of the debate and arguments over this series have died down since ''VideoGame/{{Skylanders}}'' became a thing, with even quite a few Classic only fans willing to admit this trilogy is at least better than it, if only because it actually stars Spyro instead of him being a side characters character in his own series.
* TheWoobie: Both Spyro ''and'' Cynder, though Cynder arguably has it worse than Spyro. Spyro no doubt suffers greatly throughout everything and ultimately is pushed across the DespairEventHorizon by Malefor, but Cynder's life in general has been one long living nightmare. She was BrainWashedAndCrazy BrainwashedAndCrazy for most of her life into doing unspeakable things to her own kind and when she's finally free, she remembers every horrible thing she did during that time and feels guilty about it all (and she's a 12 year old kid at this point!) to the point she runs away from her friends and home because she can't stand it anymore. Not to mention Sparx being a pretty big {{Jerkass}} to her. And in the third game people repeatedly continue to blame her for what she did under Malefor's control, including the Hermit scene which seems to exist only to show the fate of the Apes and make Cynder suffer. Finally, she ends up getting sent over the DespairEventHorizon by Malefor as well and [[spoiler: gets BrainWashedAndCrazy BrainwashedAndCrazy all over again, forcing her to attack her own love interest!]] At least Spyro had a loving adopted family to help him through it all!
7th Aug '16 10:40:11 AM ACW
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* CompleteMonster: BigBad [[NamesToRunAwayFromReallyFast Malefor]] destroys the dragon eggs to find a purple dragon, gets one to make it one of his henchmen, and tries to [[OmnicidalManiac destroy the world]]. If that wasn't enough, [[spoiler:he even tries to kill the titular character with his own love interest]]. He does intend to destroy it so it's replaced by a pure universe, but even so, it's inexcusable. What's worse is Malefor's [[EvilLaugh laughs]] while giving a chilling HannibalLecture and watching [[spoiler:a brainwashed Cynder beat down on Spyro]], actually ''enjoying'' what he's doing to them. And he [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness "rewarded" the Apes for freeing him from his prison by giving them a]] FateWorseThanDeath, simply because they decided to do so out of personal gain. This guy is so evil, his sheer malice ''tore up the earth and formed a mountain''.

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* CompleteMonster: BigBad [[KnightOfCerebus Malefor]], who is [[BigBad behind the evil of the entire trilogy]], is an evil dragon, banished by the Dragon Elders for his {{ambition|Is Evil}}, power and limitless evil. Waging war against his own kind, [[NamesToRunAwayFromReallyFast Malefor]] destroys slaughtered countless people before being sealed away. Upon his orders, his ape servants smash the eggs of the purple dragons and overrun the rest of dragonkind. [[TheChessmaster Manipulating Spyro into freeing him]], Malefor attempts to forcibly corrupt him and his fellow dragon eggs to find a purple dragon, gets one to make it one of Cynder. Malefor then turned his henchmen, entire army of ape servants into undead living skeletons and tries spread plague and destruction throughout the world. Malefor then prepared to bring about "The Great Cleansing": [[OmnicidalManiac destroy the world]]. If extermination of all life in the world]] save that wasn't enough, [[spoiler:he even tries which he could corrupt, to kill the titular character with craft a new world in his own love interest]]. He does intend to destroy it so it's replaced by a pure universe, but even so, it's inexcusable. What's worse is Malefor's [[EvilLaugh laughs]] while giving a chilling HannibalLecture and watching [[spoiler:a brainwashed Cynder beat down on Spyro]], actually ''enjoying'' what he's doing to them. And he [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness "rewarded" the Apes for freeing him from his prison by giving them a]] FateWorseThanDeath, simply because they decided to do so out of personal gain. This guy is so evil, his sheer malice ''tore up the earth and formed a mountain''.twisted image.
13th Jun '16 4:52:26 PM ShinyCottonCandy
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** In ''A New Beginning'', Earth element, specifically it's sub elemental shot, is insane. You don't get it until just before the VeryDefinitelyFinalDungeon, but if you've been saving your EXP for it and put it all into the sub-shot of the element, it makes it a complete and utter joke. The sub element is a tornado shot that, on it's highest level, can stun even the larges enemies into the air while doing constant damage to them. This alone doesn't sound too broken, but add on the fact that it can do this to multiple enemies at once, and the fact that doing this causes them to drop spirit gems which recharge your mana while their still alive, when normally they don't do this until you've killed them, and you have an attack that not only stuns all enemies in the general area and keeps them from attacking, does constant, high damage to them, but ''also'' recharges itself for basically no cost at all. Once you get it, pretty much the only strategy for the rest of the game is "use tornado, wait for the attack to wear off, use tornado again" until all enemies are dead. The basic breath also does high damage to, but isn't as broke due to the fact that is also does high damage to your mana...

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** In ''A New Beginning'', Earth element, specifically it's its sub elemental shot, is insane. You don't get it until just before the VeryDefinitelyFinalDungeon, but if you've been saving your EXP for it and put it all into the sub-shot of the element, it makes it a complete and utter joke. The sub element is a tornado shot that, on it's its highest level, can stun and toss even the larges largest enemies into the air while doing constant damage to them. This alone doesn't sound too broken, but add on the fact that it can do this to multiple enemies at once, and the fact that doing this causes them to drop spirit gems which recharge your mana while their they're still alive, when normally they don't do this until you've killed them, and you have an attack that not only stuns all enemies in the general area and keeps them from attacking, does constant, high damage to them, but ''also'' recharges itself for basically no cost at all. Once you get it, pretty much the only strategy for the rest of the game is "use tornado, wait for the attack to wear off, use tornado again" until all enemies are dead. The basic breath also does high damage to, but isn't as broke broken due to the fact that is also does high damage to your mana...
13th Jun '16 4:49:27 PM ShinyCottonCandy
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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: Really, a lot of the animosity towards this series tends to boil down to this. If you ask most Classic purist why they don't like this trilogy, the most common response you'll get is "because it's too dark, and it just doesn't fit Spyro!". Indeed, compared to the light-hearted Classic trilogy, it can be rather hard to keep an optamistic outlook while going through the trilogy. The first game isn't ''too'' bad, being only slightly darker than the Classic trilogy, but once you get to ''The Eternal Night''... It can get pretty hard to press on, if only because watching Spyro suffer is only a ''part'' of it. [[spoiler:However, it should be noted that it ''does'' [[EarnYourHappyEnding have a relatively happy ending for everyone.]]]]

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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: Really, a lot of the animosity towards this series tends to boil down to this. If you ask most Classic purist why they don't like this trilogy, the most common response you'll get is "because it's too dark, and it just doesn't fit Spyro!". Indeed, compared to the light-hearted Classic trilogy, it can be rather hard to keep an optamistic optimistic outlook while going through the trilogy. The first game isn't ''too'' bad, being only slightly darker than the Classic trilogy, but once you get to ''The Eternal Night''... It can get pretty hard to press on, if only because watching Spyro suffer is only a ''part'' of it. [[spoiler:However, it should be noted that it ''does'' [[EarnYourHappyEnding have a relatively happy ending for everyone.]]]]
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