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** Some believe Creator/WaltonGoggins deserved to make the Best Supporting Actor lineup at that year's UsefulNotes/{{Academy Award}}s for his scene-stealing work.
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** Some believe Creator/WaltonGoggins deserved to make the Best Supporting Actor lineup at that year's UsefulNotes/{{Academy Award}}s for his scene-stealing work.work, with many noting that Mannix was the only character whose loyalty they questioned from beginning to end.
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*** Even if the story isn't true, and even if the person that [[spoiler:Warren is trying to [[StrikeMeDownWithAllOfYourHatred unnerve and antagonize into action]]]] happens to be [[AssholeVictim an unrepentant racist, mass-murdering war criminal]], it is arguably a very low blow to even ''claim'' to have done [[spoiler:the things that he supposedly did to a grieving father's late son]].
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** Mannix really doesn't seem all that angry when Warren provokes Smithers into a fatal shootout despite having been nothing but contemptuous of the former and worshipful towards the latter in his previous interactions with them. He and Warren even end up best buds. Mannix even ends up stealing Smithers's coat for his own use.
** Smithers broke his no talk to niggers rule rather quickly when Warren talked to him again. Especially that for someone bitter about the Yankees winning the war sharing a battlefield shouldn't be enough for him to snap out of it. Smithers is considerably pleasant to Warren before the conversations turns to Smithers' son. [[spoiler:Justified in that Jody expressly told him not to speak to anyone unless asked to, so him accepting Warren's invitation could be him being eager to do anything but just sit around and wait for Jody and his gang to do their thing.]]
** Smithers broke his no talk to niggers rule rather quickly when Warren talked to him again. Especially that for someone bitter about the Yankees winning the war sharing a battlefield shouldn't be enough for him to snap out of it. Smithers is considerably pleasant to Warren before the conversations turns to Smithers' son. [[spoiler:Justified in that Jody expressly told him not to speak to anyone unless asked to, so him accepting Warren's invitation could be him being eager to do anything but just sit around and wait for Jody and his gang to do their thing.]]
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** Mannix really doesn't seem all that angry when Warren provokes Smithers into a fatal shootout despite having been nothing but contemptuous of the former and worshipful towards the latter in his previous interactions with them. He and Warren even end up best buds. buds, and Mannix even ends up stealing steals Smithers's coat for his own use.
** Smithersbroke breaks his no "no talk to niggers niggers" rule rather quickly when Warren talked to addresses him again. Especially that directly again, especially that, for someone so bitter about the Yankees winning the war war, sharing a battlefield (on opposite sides, no less) shouldn't be enough for him to snap out of it. Smithers is considerably pleasant to Warren before the conversations turns to Smithers' son. [[spoiler:Justified in that Jody expressly told him not to speak to anyone unless asked to, so him accepting Warren's invitation could be him being eager to do anything but just sit around and wait for Jody and his gang to do their thing.]]
** Smithers
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* SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic: What else did you expect with Music/EnnioMorricone's first original Western soundtrack in ''decades''? A Golden Globe and an Oscar, that's what.
* BrokenBase: Whether or not the treatment of Daisy is misogynistic. Defenders have noted Creator/QuentinTarantino's films are extremely violent and that a woman enduring that much abuse is fine given the treatment of his other characters. Those who believe it's sexist though have noted just how extreme and enduring her injuries are and that the film seems to especially revel in her abuse. Then there's the matter of whether or not her deplorable nature makes it okay, or if her crimes are kept too offscreen for it to feel deserved.
* BrokenBase: Whether or not the treatment of Daisy is misogynistic. Defenders have noted Creator/QuentinTarantino's films are extremely violent and that a woman enduring that much abuse is fine given the treatment of his other characters. Those who believe it's sexist though have noted just how extreme and enduring her injuries are and that the film seems to especially revel in her abuse. Then there's the matter of whether or not her deplorable nature makes it okay, or if her crimes are kept too offscreen for it to feel deserved.
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* SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic: What else did you expect with from Music/EnnioMorricone's first original Western soundtrack in ''decades''? A Golden Globe and an Oscar, that's what.
* BrokenBase: Whether or not the treatment of Daisy is misogynistic. Defenders have noted Creator/QuentinTarantino's films are extremely violent and that a woman enduring that much abuse isfine fine, given the treatment of his other characters. Those who believe it's sexist though sexist, though, have noted just how extreme and enduring her injuries are and that the film seems to especially revel in her abuse. Then there's the matter of whether or not her deplorable nature makes it okay, or if her crimes are kept too offscreen for it to feel deserved.
* BrokenBase: Whether or not the treatment of Daisy is misogynistic. Defenders have noted Creator/QuentinTarantino's films are extremely violent and that a woman enduring that much abuse is
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* CrossesTheLineTwice: Warren's entire monologue to Smithers.
* DesignatedHero: To the point where it's a bit hard to tell if Warren's even supposed to have the audience on his side, as he has little in the way of redeeming qualities and depending on how much of what he says regarding Smithers' is true, he might even be the worst person of the group.
* DracoInLeatherPants: A lot of people give Daisy the status of victim since we don't know how she got that bounty [[spoiler:to the point where they forgot that Warren explained that being part of her brother's murderous gang is why her bounty is as high as it is, and she antagonizes as much as she gets beat up]].
* DesignatedHero: To the point where it's a bit hard to tell if Warren's even supposed to have the audience on his side, as he has little in the way of redeeming qualities and depending on how much of what he says regarding Smithers' is true, he might even be the worst person of the group.
* DracoInLeatherPants: A lot of people give Daisy the status of victim since we don't know how she got that bounty [[spoiler:to the point where they forgot that Warren explained that being part of her brother's murderous gang is why her bounty is as high as it is, and she antagonizes as much as she gets beat up]].
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* CrossesTheLineTwice: Warren's entire monologue to Smithers.
Smithers [[spoiler: regarding the fate of his son]].
* DesignatedHero: To the point where it's a bit hard to tell if Warren's even supposed to have the audience on his side, as he has little in the way of redeemingqualities qualities, and depending on how much of what he says regarding [[spoiler: Smithers' son]] is true, he might even be the worst person of the group.
* DracoInLeatherPants: A lot of people give Daisy the status of victim since we don't know how she got that bounty [[spoiler:to the point where theyforgot forget that Warren explained explains that being part of her brother's murderous gang is why her bounty is as high as it is, and she antagonizes as much as she gets beat up]].
* DesignatedHero: To the point where it's a bit hard to tell if Warren's even supposed to have the audience on his side, as he has little in the way of redeeming
* DracoInLeatherPants: A lot of people give Daisy the status of victim since we don't know how she got that bounty [[spoiler:to the point where they
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** While one of the least characterized of the eight, Mobray the hangman has a certain charm to him. [[spoiler:Even after his true identity is revealed, due to being the most AffablyEvil of the bunch.]]
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** While one of the least characterized of the eight, Mobray the hangman has a certain charm to him. [[spoiler:Even him, [[spoiler:even after his true identity is revealed, due to being the most AffablyEvil of the bunch.]]
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* FetishRetardant: Daisy tries winking and licking her lips at Warren. Unfortunately, the effect is ruined by her blood-covered face due to her nose just getting elbowed ''hard''.
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* FetishRetardant: Daisy tries winking and licking her lips at Warren. Unfortunately, the effect is ruined by her blood-covered face due to her nose having just getting gotten elbowed ''hard''.
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* GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff: Literally. The film made nearly 2/3 of its $156 million haul overseas (mostly in Europe), an above average proportion for any movie and especially a Creator/QuentinTarantino film, with its biggest foreign market being Germany, where it earned $14 million. [[https://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/18/world/europe/germanys-fascination-with-american-old-west-native-american-scalps-human-remains.html This could be put down to Germany's love of western films.]]
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* GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff: Literally. The film made nearly 2/3 two-thirds of its $156 million haul overseas (mostly in Europe), an above average above-average proportion for any movie and especially a Creator/QuentinTarantino film, with its biggest foreign market being Germany, where it earned $14 million. [[https://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/18/world/europe/germanys-fascination-with-american-old-west-native-american-scalps-human-remains.html This could be put down to Germany's love of western Western films.]]
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** [[spoiler:Jody's gang crosses this when they callously murder Minnie, her staff, and the stagecoach drivers without batting an eye.]]
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** [[spoiler:Jody's gang crosses this it when they callously murder Minnie, her staff, and the stagecoach drivers without batting an eye.]]
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** The slow motion dialogue. "Youuuuuu gonnnnnnnaaaa maaaakeeee aaa deaaaaaaal withhh ttttttthis diaaaaaabolicallll bitchhhhhhh??????"
** And also when [[spoiler: Warren gets his balls blown off]], Creator/SamuelLJackson's laugh/screams are hilarious.
** And also when [[spoiler: Warren gets his balls blown off]], Creator/SamuelLJackson's laugh/screams are hilarious.
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** The slow motion slow-motion dialogue. "Youuuuuu gonnnnnnnaaaa maaaakeeee aaa deaaaaaaal withhh ttttttthis diaaaaaabolicallll bitchhhhhhh??????"
** And also when [[spoiler: Warren gets his balls blown off]], Creator/SamuelLJackson'slaugh/screams laughs/screams are hilarious.
** And also when [[spoiler: Warren gets his balls blown off]], Creator/SamuelLJackson's
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* RootingForTheEmpire: With a cabin full of murderers, racists, war criminals, people who beat their prisoners, and characters who claim to have tortured and raped the people who came to kill them, some viewers just want Daisy to turn the tables on these perverted lawmen. [[spoiler:Shame she never really does, even if they do all end up dying anyway, and it turns out that she was working with some of them all along.]]
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* RootingForTheEmpire: With a cabin full of murderers, racists, war criminals, people who beat their prisoners, and characters who claim to have tortured and raped the people who came to kill them, some viewers just want Daisy to turn the tables on these perverted lawmen. [[spoiler:Shame [[spoiler:A shame she never really does, even if they do all end up dying anyway, and it turns out that she was working with some of them all along.]]
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** [[spoiler:Daisy starts the picture as 100 pounds of crazy in a 10 pound bag; with her sass, feral cunning, and her truly astounding ability to take a beating. And for all we're told about how dangerous she is, [[ShowDontTell we never actually see her in action]] - not even one flashback showing her committing any crimes. She never gets a chance to truly shine, ending up just another victim, being hanged by two virtually incapacitated men. Her last attempt to kill the remaining heroes by chopping Ruth's arm was a good effort, though.]]
** [[spoiler:Since 3 of the 8 are not who they say they are, but are in fact members of a gang, some people may feel this way if they found the people they were posing as to be more interesting than the actual criminals, particularly since we don't get to know the "real" three. Channing Tatum might also get the short straw, since he only appears in flashback — again, spending much of his scene posing as someone he is not — before his head is blown off unceremoniously.]]
* TooBleakStoppedCaring: There are very few likable characters among the main cast, if any, with O.B. Jackson being a possible exception. Ruth repeatedly beats an unarmed woman, Warren [[spoiler:killed and possibly raped General Smithers' son, in addition to [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking lying about his Lincoln letter]]]], Mannix, Smithers, and Daisy Domergue are all incredibly racist and bitter, and [[spoiler:the rest end up being murderous outlaws working for Jody Domergue's gang]]. However, this is somewhat alleviated by the fact that [[spoiler:Mannix gets better, as he was [[CassandraTruth telling the truth all along about being sheriff]], and if you subscribe to the AlternativeCharacterInterpretation that Warren lied about raping Smithers' son to goad him into drawing and/or the Lincoln Letter being genuine, then he gets better too. And if all else fails, you can just take some comfort in the fact that all of them are either dead or close to it in the end, with Warren having no chance of living and Mannix having tough odds as well]].
** [[spoiler:Since 3 of the 8 are not who they say they are, but are in fact members of a gang, some people may feel this way if they found the people they were posing as to be more interesting than the actual criminals, particularly since we don't get to know the "real" three. Channing Tatum might also get the short straw, since he only appears in flashback — again, spending much of his scene posing as someone he is not — before his head is blown off unceremoniously.]]
* TooBleakStoppedCaring: There are very few likable characters among the main cast, if any, with O.B. Jackson being a possible exception. Ruth repeatedly beats an unarmed woman, Warren [[spoiler:killed and possibly raped General Smithers' son, in addition to [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking lying about his Lincoln letter]]]], Mannix, Smithers, and Daisy Domergue are all incredibly racist and bitter, and [[spoiler:the rest end up being murderous outlaws working for Jody Domergue's gang]]. However, this is somewhat alleviated by the fact that [[spoiler:Mannix gets better, as he was [[CassandraTruth telling the truth all along about being sheriff]], and if you subscribe to the AlternativeCharacterInterpretation that Warren lied about raping Smithers' son to goad him into drawing and/or the Lincoln Letter being genuine, then he gets better too. And if all else fails, you can just take some comfort in the fact that all of them are either dead or close to it in the end, with Warren having no chance of living and Mannix having tough odds as well]].
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** [[spoiler:Daisy starts the picture as 100 pounds of crazy in a 10 pound bag; 10-pound bag, with her sass, feral cunning, and her truly astounding ability to take a beating. And for all we're told about how dangerous she is, [[ShowDontTell we never actually see her in action]] - -- not even one flashback showing her committing any crimes. She never gets a chance to truly shine, ending up just another victim, being hanged by two virtually incapacitated men. Her last attempt to kill the remaining heroes by chopping off Ruth's arm was a good effort, though.]]
** [[spoiler:Since3 three of the 8 eight are not who they say they are, but are in fact members of a gang, some people may feel this way if they found the people they were posing as to be more interesting than the actual criminals, particularly since we don't get to know the "real" three. Channing Tatum might also get the short straw, since he only appears in flashback — again, spending much of his scene posing as someone he is not — before his head is blown off unceremoniously.]]
* TooBleakStoppedCaring: There are very few likable characters among the main cast, if any, with O.B. Jackson being a possible exception. Ruth repeatedly beats an unarmed woman, Warren [[spoiler:killed and possibly raped General Smithers' son, in addition to [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking lying about his Lincoln letter]]]], Mannix, Smithers, and Daisy Domergue are all incredibly racist and bitter, and [[spoiler:the rest end up being murderous outlaws working for Jody Domergue's gang]]. However, this is somewhat alleviated by the fact that [[spoiler:Mannix gets better, as he was [[CassandraTruth telling the truth all along about being a sheriff]], and if you subscribe to the AlternativeCharacterInterpretation that Warren lied about raping Smithers' son to goad him into drawing and/or the LincolnLetter letter being genuine, then he gets better too. And if all else fails, you can just take some comfort in the fact that all of them are either dead or close to it in the end, with Warren having no chance of living and Mannix having tough odds as well]].
** [[spoiler:Since
* TooBleakStoppedCaring: There are very few likable characters among the main cast, if any, with O.B. Jackson being a possible exception. Ruth repeatedly beats an unarmed woman, Warren [[spoiler:killed and possibly raped General Smithers' son, in addition to [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking lying about his Lincoln letter]]]], Mannix, Smithers, and Daisy Domergue are all incredibly racist and bitter, and [[spoiler:the rest end up being murderous outlaws working for Jody Domergue's gang]]. However, this is somewhat alleviated by the fact that [[spoiler:Mannix gets better, as he was [[CassandraTruth telling the truth all along about being a sheriff]], and if you subscribe to the AlternativeCharacterInterpretation that Warren lied about raping Smithers' son to goad him into drawing and/or the Lincoln
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** Okay, he's about as much of a dick as most of the other characters in the film, but it can be hard not to mourn the loss of [[spoiler:Ruth (and his glorious 'stache). Helps that he's played by Creator/KurtRussell]].
** [[spoiler:O.B Jackson was the only nice person around and did not deserve to die like this.]]
* TheWoobie: [[spoiler:Six-Horse Judy is a perky and completely innocent sweetheart... who gets gunned down by Groucho while she begs for her life.]]
** JerkassWoobie: A few of the main characters have their moments. Daisy, for example, never catches a break throughout the film, and since we're never really told what she did, the worst things being uttering racial slurs, watch while several people die, and try to kill and manipulate a few others in fairly understandable self-defence, the violence against her feels like DisproportionateRetribution. Whilst her brother's gang executed a number of people, Daisy did not explicitly take part in the killing spree and her death feels unjustified to many viewers and is discussed as such in essays and reviews. [[spoiler: Although given that the $10,000 bounty is shared by the rest of the gang that she belongs to, it’s highly likely that prior to her capture she took part in murder sprees like the one we see the rest of them commit.]]
** [[spoiler:O.B Jackson was the only nice person around and did not deserve to die like this.]]
* TheWoobie: [[spoiler:Six-Horse Judy is a perky and completely innocent sweetheart... who gets gunned down by Groucho while she begs for her life.]]
** JerkassWoobie: A few of the main characters have their moments. Daisy, for example, never catches a break throughout the film, and since we're never really told what she did, the worst things being uttering racial slurs, watch while several people die, and try to kill and manipulate a few others in fairly understandable self-defence, the violence against her feels like DisproportionateRetribution. Whilst her brother's gang executed a number of people, Daisy did not explicitly take part in the killing spree and her death feels unjustified to many viewers and is discussed as such in essays and reviews. [[spoiler: Although given that the $10,000 bounty is shared by the rest of the gang that she belongs to, it’s highly likely that prior to her capture she took part in murder sprees like the one we see the rest of them commit.]]
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** Okay, he's about as much of a dick as most of the other characters in the film, but it can be hard not to mourn the loss of [[spoiler:Ruth (and his glorious 'stache). Helps It helps that he's played by Creator/KurtRussell]].
** [[spoiler:O.B B. Jackson was is just about the only nice person around that we see much of, and absolutely did not deserve to die like this.the way he does..]]
* TheWoobie: [[spoiler:Six-Horse Judy is a perky and completely innocent sweetheart... who gets gunned down byGroucho Grouch while she begs for her life.]]
** JerkassWoobie: A few of the main characters have their moments. Daisy, for example, never catches a break throughout the film, and since we're never really told what shedid, did -- the worst things we see being her uttering racial slurs, watch watching impassively while several people die, and try trying to kill and manipulate a few others in fairly understandable self-defence, self-defence -- the violence against her feels like DisproportionateRetribution. Whilst her brother's gang executed a number of people, Daisy did not explicitly take part in the killing spree that we know of, and her death feels unjustified to many viewers and is discussed as such in essays and reviews. [[spoiler: Although given that the $10,000 bounty is shared by the rest of the gang that she belongs to, it’s highly likely that prior to her capture capture, she took part in murder sprees like the one we see the rest of them commit.]]
** [[spoiler:O.
* TheWoobie: [[spoiler:Six-Horse Judy is a perky and completely innocent sweetheart... who gets gunned down by
** JerkassWoobie: A few of the main characters have their moments. Daisy, for example, never catches a break throughout the film, and since we're never really told what she
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Flame Bait. Also, Tarantino has confronted this criticism and rightfully called it out as a double standard. If Daisy was a man, and nothing else was changed, there would be no issue.
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* UnfortunateImplications: As pointed out in [[https://www.rogerebert.com/balder-and-dash/hipster-misogyny-the-betrayal-of-the-hateful-eight this article]], the film's emphasis on Daisy's brutal humiliation gives it an uncomfortably misogynist vibe.
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** [[spoiler:O.B Jackson was the only nice person around with a CoolHat and did not deserve to die like this.]]
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** [[spoiler:O.B Jackson was the only nice person around with a CoolHat and did not deserve to die like this.]]
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Shoehorned example.
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* OvershadowedByControversy: The fact that a 140-year-old antique guitar was accidentally destroyed during filming is a smaller controversy that may be all some people know about the film.
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** Some believe Creator/WaltonGoggins deserved to make the supporting actor lineup that year for his scene stealing work.
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** Some believe Creator/WaltonGoggins deserved to make the supporting actor Best Supporting Actor lineup at that year year's UsefulNotes/{{Academy Award}}s for his scene stealing work.
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I'm commenting Shocking Swerve (now Ass Pull per merge), as it's kind of weird to say "Okay, so it doesn't make sense (I'm not explaining why), but in hindsight there were a lot of clues towards it."
%%* AssPull: [[spoiler:TheReveal that about half of the people in the cabin are all in on a plot to free Daisy (and that their leader has been hiding under the floor the whole time) casts the entire plot, and several of the characters, in a different light, not necessarily for the better.]] However, some of this is foreshadowed by things such as [[spoiler:the chess game with a missing opponent, the jelly bean dropped on the floor, and the broken lock]]. Naturally, this creates an excellent RewatchBonus.
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* ShockingSwerve: [[spoiler:TheReveal that about half of the people in the cabin are all in on a plot to free Daisy (and that their leader has been hiding under the floor the whole time) casts the entire plot, and several of the characters, in a different light, not necessarily for the better.]] However, some of this is foreshadowed by things such as [[spoiler:the chess game with a missing opponent, the jelly bean dropped on the floor, and the broken lock]]. Naturally, this creates an excellent RewatchBonus.
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* BrokenBase: Whether or not the treatment of Daisy is misogynistic. Defenders have noted Tarantino's films are extremely violent and that a woman enduring that much abuse is fine given the treatment of his other characters. Those who believe it's sexist though have noted just how extreme and enduring her injuries are and that the film seems to especially revel in her abuse. Then there's the matter of whether or not her deplorable nature makes it okay, or if her crimes are kept too offscreen for it to feel deserved.
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* BrokenBase: Whether or not the treatment of Daisy is misogynistic. Defenders have noted Tarantino's Creator/QuentinTarantino's films are extremely violent and that a woman enduring that much abuse is fine given the treatment of his other characters. Those who believe it's sexist though have noted just how extreme and enduring her injuries are and that the film seems to especially revel in her abuse. Then there's the matter of whether or not her deplorable nature makes it okay, or if her crimes are kept too offscreen for it to feel deserved.
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* DesignatedHero: To the point where it's a bit hard to tell if Warren's even supposed to have the audience on his side, as he has little in the way of redeeming qualities and depending on how much of what he says regarding Smithers's is true, he might even be the worst person of the group.
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* DesignatedHero: To the point where it's a bit hard to tell if Warren's even supposed to have the audience on his side, as he has little in the way of redeeming qualities and depending on how much of what he says regarding Smithers's Smithers' is true, he might even be the worst person of the group.
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* GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff: Literally. The film made nearly 2/3 of its $156 million haul overseas (mostly in Europe), an above average proportion for any movie and especially a Tarantino film, with its biggest foreign market being Germany, where it earned $14 million. [[https://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/18/world/europe/germanys-fascination-with-american-old-west-native-american-scalps-human-remains.html This could be put down to Germany's love of western films.]]
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* GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff: Literally. The film made nearly 2/3 of its $156 million haul overseas (mostly in Europe), an above average proportion for any movie and especially a Tarantino Creator/QuentinTarantino film, with its biggest foreign market being Germany, where it earned $14 million. [[https://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/18/world/europe/germanys-fascination-with-american-old-west-native-american-scalps-human-remains.html This could be put down to Germany's love of western films.]]
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** And also when [[spoiler: Warren gets his balls blown off]], Samuel L Jackson's laugh/screams are hilarious.
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** And also when [[spoiler: Warren gets his balls blown off]], Samuel L Jackson's Creator/SamuelLJackson's laugh/screams are hilarious.
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** Okay, he's about as much of a dick as most of the other characters in the film, but it can be hard not to mourn the loss of [[spoiler:Ruth (and his glorious 'stache). Helps that he's played by Kurt Russell]].
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** Okay, he's about as much of a dick as most of the other characters in the film, but it can be hard not to mourn the loss of [[spoiler:Ruth (and his glorious 'stache). Helps that he's played by Kurt Russell]].Creator/KurtRussell]].
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* CrazyAwesome: Daisy is clearly not quite right in the head, and that's what makes her so dangerous. And so very much fun to watch.
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* CrazyAwesome: CrazyIsCool: Daisy is clearly not quite right in the head, and that's what makes her so dangerous. And so very much fun to watch.
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That 'what an idiot' example is just paragraphs of arguing back and forth, and the Alternate character is just a blatant break of rule 9.
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation:
** Did Warren [[spoiler:actually torture and rape Smithers' son? Given he knows who he was and liked overkill, is it really far-fetched? Or did he just make up the story to goad Smithers into attacking him so he could legally kill him?]]
*** Given that [[spoiler:Smithers' conversation with Mannix suggests he knew that his son had gone off to do something dangerous (which killing one of the most wanted men in the Confederacy would certainly count as), and Warren knew the boy's first and middle names, which Smithers did not mention to Warren at all. It seems likely that at least part of his story is true]].
*** [[spoiler:Considering Warren claims to have forced Smithers' son to walk naked in the cold for two hours before collapsing, he would have been too hypothermic to get back up at the promise of a blanket (and may have been in the false warmth stage anyway). Warren could have just been exaggerating how long he tortured him, though.]]
** Was the [[spoiler:Lincoln letter really fake? Or did Warren just play along with a bunch of racists making fun of him, and if fake, why punch a woman in the face for ruining it, then quickly try and save it? By the same token, if it was real, it would be almost expected he wouldn't take kindly to someone spitting on his letter from Lincoln, so his reaction could simply be acting to maintain the lie.]]
*** Yes. Warren's weak denial is proof enough, and then he effectively admits it was fake when talking to Ruth - Mannix forcing him to admit it was fake serves as the trigger for Warren to kill the General.
** Was Daisy [[spoiler:really guilty of murder? Sure, she's not the nicest person around, but we're never really told the exact circumstances of the alleged murder. Most characters like John Ruth treat her as if she's already guilty. However, Mobray raises the point that "frontier justice" has equal chances of being wrong as it is right, implying that Daisy might actually be innocent or wrongfully accused. Then again, Mobray is part of Jody's gang trying to rescue Daisy, so he easily could have just been trying to induce reasonable doubt about her guilt.]]
** [[spoiler:Is Ruth so brutal towards Daisy because he's [[RabidCop that much of a hardass]], or because Daisy herself is just that dangerous to be cuffed to? Whenever he makes an attempt to show her some leniency, she throws it in his face. It's possible that he'd be more respectful towards a more cooperative bounty.]]
** We're never really given a definitive answer to two questions: Is [[spoiler:Chris the sheriff of Red Rock?]] And [[spoiler:are there fifteen men coming to sack the town?]] The characters seem to believe that the former is yes, and the latter is no, but there's no proof either way. Considering it is Daisy who brings up [[spoiler:those fifteen men and their plan to sack Red Rock if Jody doesn't appear with her, despite there being no point at which she could have learned these specific details, it seems likely that, even if the other gang members do exist, their supposed threat to Chris and Warren is invented]]. It is, however, possible that she and her [[spoiler:brother]] may have had a general "if one of us is captured" plan laid out, with [[spoiler:"sack the town if you can't save me"]] as part of it.
*** [[spoiler:If there were fifteen trained killers, Jody's plan would've been unnecessary. Also, there would be no point in sacking the town, as it would just add to their already [[ArtisticLicenseHistory unrealistically large bounty.]]]]
** Did Warren [[spoiler:actually torture and rape Smithers' son? Given he knows who he was and liked overkill, is it really far-fetched? Or did he just make up the story to goad Smithers into attacking him so he could legally kill him?]]
*** Given that [[spoiler:Smithers' conversation with Mannix suggests he knew that his son had gone off to do something dangerous (which killing one of the most wanted men in the Confederacy would certainly count as), and Warren knew the boy's first and middle names, which Smithers did not mention to Warren at all. It seems likely that at least part of his story is true]].
*** [[spoiler:Considering Warren claims to have forced Smithers' son to walk naked in the cold for two hours before collapsing, he would have been too hypothermic to get back up at the promise of a blanket (and may have been in the false warmth stage anyway). Warren could have just been exaggerating how long he tortured him, though.]]
** Was the [[spoiler:Lincoln letter really fake? Or did Warren just play along with a bunch of racists making fun of him, and if fake, why punch a woman in the face for ruining it, then quickly try and save it? By the same token, if it was real, it would be almost expected he wouldn't take kindly to someone spitting on his letter from Lincoln, so his reaction could simply be acting to maintain the lie.]]
*** Yes. Warren's weak denial is proof enough, and then he effectively admits it was fake when talking to Ruth - Mannix forcing him to admit it was fake serves as the trigger for Warren to kill the General.
** Was Daisy [[spoiler:really guilty of murder? Sure, she's not the nicest person around, but we're never really told the exact circumstances of the alleged murder. Most characters like John Ruth treat her as if she's already guilty. However, Mobray raises the point that "frontier justice" has equal chances of being wrong as it is right, implying that Daisy might actually be innocent or wrongfully accused. Then again, Mobray is part of Jody's gang trying to rescue Daisy, so he easily could have just been trying to induce reasonable doubt about her guilt.]]
** [[spoiler:Is Ruth so brutal towards Daisy because he's [[RabidCop that much of a hardass]], or because Daisy herself is just that dangerous to be cuffed to? Whenever he makes an attempt to show her some leniency, she throws it in his face. It's possible that he'd be more respectful towards a more cooperative bounty.]]
** We're never really given a definitive answer to two questions: Is [[spoiler:Chris the sheriff of Red Rock?]] And [[spoiler:are there fifteen men coming to sack the town?]] The characters seem to believe that the former is yes, and the latter is no, but there's no proof either way. Considering it is Daisy who brings up [[spoiler:those fifteen men and their plan to sack Red Rock if Jody doesn't appear with her, despite there being no point at which she could have learned these specific details, it seems likely that, even if the other gang members do exist, their supposed threat to Chris and Warren is invented]]. It is, however, possible that she and her [[spoiler:brother]] may have had a general "if one of us is captured" plan laid out, with [[spoiler:"sack the town if you can't save me"]] as part of it.
*** [[spoiler:If there were fifteen trained killers, Jody's plan would've been unnecessary. Also, there would be no point in sacking the town, as it would just add to their already [[ArtisticLicenseHistory unrealistically large bounty.]]]]
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** After [[spoiler:Ruth is poisoned, there are five people in on Daisy's escape who are all capable of easily killing the two confused lawmen (Warren and Mannix) who are both unsure who is working against them. Jody, armed and unseen, Mobray with a hidden pistol, Gage with the hidden pistol in the table, Daisy with Ruth's gun, and Bob. Yet they all surrender themselves to Warren for no reason.]]
** [[spoiler:Jody could only shoot at people directly above him and the hidden guns would require additional time to draw, with Warren already having a gun on everyone and shown himself to be a quick shot for them not to attempt it. Their only chance after Ruth was killed was Jody taking out Warren and the rest quick enough to kill Mannix, but he surprised them by being a fast gunfighter as well. It doesn't help that Warren had already caught on that everything going on was a plot to free Daisy, meaning that if bullets started flying, there was an excellent chance of him shooting her down out of sheer spite.]]
** [[spoiler:They had at least two big moments where they could have killed everyone if Gage decided to grab a gun after poisoning the coffee: When Warren is driving everyone's eyes on him as he taunts the general, which gives him a chance to shoot Warren and Ruth while the unarmed O.B and Mannix are too busy being shocked, and the aftermath of the poison above, since Warren was again the only enemy armed and could not shoot Daisy while Ruth was beating her. They wanted to still fall back on their patience game after the poison, which cost them big time.]]
** [[spoiler:Another huge mistake was using Marco the Mexican as "Bob", the caretaker of the Haberdashery. Not only is Marco an ''awful'' liar, his accent is nigh-impossible to hide, and even without the plot, he comes off as some {{Bandito}} that took over the place, since Warren knows that Minnie doesn't like Mexicans. ''Jody'' is the one that should have played the caretaker and Marco should had hid under the floor, as Jody is clearly much more charismatic and Marco is a quite a quick shot, as evidenced by his only shooting scene. In general, it is quite clear the gang didn't use its own resources to the best; had charisma men such as Jody and Mobray been the ones upstairs and the more taciturn Marco and Grouch hidden, they would had probably won. ]]
*** [[spoiler:While Daisy was able to hide she recognised the others, it may have been harder for her to hide her recognition of her own brother, which would have blown the whole plan. Plus, it's possible that Jody's face is known to the law and Ruth, being a bounty hunter claiming the bounty on Jody's sister, would have recognised him instantly. Having Jody above raises too many possible complications. Having Marco pose as "Bob" and pretend Minnie gave him charge of the Haberdashery while she was away was simply a case of CriticalResearchFailure, which is what blew the whole plan: They didn't account on Ruth being accompanied by someone who was very familiar with Minnie and the Haberdashery to know something was off from the get-go. If Warren hadn't been with Ruth, the gang would have got away with it; an element they had no reason to anticipate.]]
*** That's debatable since [[spoiler:Minnie might not have hated Mexicans, as she saw Bob earlier and didn't mind at all. Even if she was trying to maintain composure for the three other men he was with, she still would've shown signs of annoyance. Bob's clumsiness and bumbling nature is what gave him away.]]
** Warren's an excellent shot and he's not shy about using bullets to make his point. [[spoiler:Which means he's wasting ammunition, and runs out accordingly later on. You'd think an experienced CombatPragmatist would be a little more prudent about it. Daisy didn't really need to lose those toes, did she? Justified in that he is kind of delirious after the whole GroinAttack.]]
** [[spoiler:The remaining gang members try to persuade Mannix to kill Warren in exchange for being allowed to collect the bounties on their heads. What the gang members evidently forgot is that Mannix is the ''sheriff'' in town, meaning he wouldn't be able to collect those bounties even if he wanted to. Although this isn't brought up at the moment, it's likely a contributing factor to his refusal of the offer.]]
*** [[spoiler:Not helping the gang's odds is the fact that by the time they make the offer, Mannix is bleeding like a stuck pig from his wounded leg, which he can barely limp around on. He'd be incapable of getting them to Red Rock in the first place, and is probably doomed to bleed out regardless, so he has nothing to lose by simply killing them all. Although the promise of sacking Red Rock for vengeance is an attempt to play on his sense of duty, he already doesn't believe them.]]
*** Additionally, [[spoiler:Mannix himself points out Daisy knew the coffee was poisoned and was content to let him drink it, thus he had no reason to work with her]].
** After [[spoiler:Ruth is poisoned, there are five people in on Daisy's escape who are all capable of easily killing the two confused lawmen (Warren and Mannix) who are both unsure who is working against them. Jody, armed and unseen, Mobray with a hidden pistol, Gage with the hidden pistol in the table, Daisy with Ruth's gun, and Bob. Yet they all surrender themselves to Warren for no reason.]]
** [[spoiler:Jody could only shoot at people directly above him and the hidden guns would require additional time to draw, with Warren already having a gun on everyone and shown himself to be a quick shot for them not to attempt it. Their only chance after Ruth was killed was Jody taking out Warren and the rest quick enough to kill Mannix, but he surprised them by being a fast gunfighter as well. It doesn't help that Warren had already caught on that everything going on was a plot to free Daisy, meaning that if bullets started flying, there was an excellent chance of him shooting her down out of sheer spite.]]
** [[spoiler:They had at least two big moments where they could have killed everyone if Gage decided to grab a gun after poisoning the coffee: When Warren is driving everyone's eyes on him as he taunts the general, which gives him a chance to shoot Warren and Ruth while the unarmed O.B and Mannix are too busy being shocked, and the aftermath of the poison above, since Warren was again the only enemy armed and could not shoot Daisy while Ruth was beating her. They wanted to still fall back on their patience game after the poison, which cost them big time.]]
** [[spoiler:Another huge mistake was using Marco the Mexican as "Bob", the caretaker of the Haberdashery. Not only is Marco an ''awful'' liar, his accent is nigh-impossible to hide, and even without the plot, he comes off as some {{Bandito}} that took over the place, since Warren knows that Minnie doesn't like Mexicans. ''Jody'' is the one that should have played the caretaker and Marco should had hid under the floor, as Jody is clearly much more charismatic and Marco is a quite a quick shot, as evidenced by his only shooting scene. In general, it is quite clear the gang didn't use its own resources to the best; had charisma men such as Jody and Mobray been the ones upstairs and the more taciturn Marco and Grouch hidden, they would had probably won. ]]
*** [[spoiler:While Daisy was able to hide she recognised the others, it may have been harder for her to hide her recognition of her own brother, which would have blown the whole plan. Plus, it's possible that Jody's face is known to the law and Ruth, being a bounty hunter claiming the bounty on Jody's sister, would have recognised him instantly. Having Jody above raises too many possible complications. Having Marco pose as "Bob" and pretend Minnie gave him charge of the Haberdashery while she was away was simply a case of CriticalResearchFailure, which is what blew the whole plan: They didn't account on Ruth being accompanied by someone who was very familiar with Minnie and the Haberdashery to know something was off from the get-go. If Warren hadn't been with Ruth, the gang would have got away with it; an element they had no reason to anticipate.]]
*** That's debatable since [[spoiler:Minnie might not have hated Mexicans, as she saw Bob earlier and didn't mind at all. Even if she was trying to maintain composure for the three other men he was with, she still would've shown signs of annoyance. Bob's clumsiness and bumbling nature is what gave him away.]]
** Warren's an excellent shot and he's not shy about using bullets to make his point. [[spoiler:Which means he's wasting ammunition, and runs out accordingly later on. You'd think an experienced CombatPragmatist would be a little more prudent about it. Daisy didn't really need to lose those toes, did she? Justified in that he is kind of delirious after the whole GroinAttack.]]
** [[spoiler:The remaining gang members try to persuade Mannix to kill Warren in exchange for being allowed to collect the bounties on their heads. What the gang members evidently forgot is that Mannix is the ''sheriff'' in town, meaning he wouldn't be able to collect those bounties even if he wanted to. Although this isn't brought up at the moment, it's likely a contributing factor to his refusal of the offer.]]
*** [[spoiler:Not helping the gang's odds is the fact that by the time they make the offer, Mannix is bleeding like a stuck pig from his wounded leg, which he can barely limp around on. He'd be incapable of getting them to Red Rock in the first place, and is probably doomed to bleed out regardless, so he has nothing to lose by simply killing them all. Although the promise of sacking Red Rock for vengeance is an attempt to play on his sense of duty, he already doesn't believe them.]]
*** Additionally, [[spoiler:Mannix himself points out Daisy knew the coffee was poisoned and was content to let him drink it, thus he had no reason to work with her]].
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** [[spoiler:Daisy starts the picture as 100 pounds of crazy in a 10 pound bag; with her sass, feral cunning, and her truly astounding ability to take a beating. However, she never gets a chance to truly shine, ending up just another victim, being hanged by 2 virtually incapacitated men. Her last attempt to kill the remaining heroes by chopping Ruth's arm was a good effort, though.]]
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** [[spoiler:Daisy starts the picture as 100 pounds of crazy in a 10 pound bag; with her sass, feral cunning, and her truly astounding ability to take a beating. However, And for all we're told about how dangerous she is, [[ShowDontTell we never actually see her in action]] - not even one flashback showing her committing any crimes. She never gets a chance to truly shine, ending up just another victim, being hanged by 2 two virtually incapacitated men. Her last attempt to kill the remaining heroes by chopping Ruth's arm was a good effort, though.]]
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* BrokenBase: Whether or not the treatment of Daisy is misogynistic. Defenders have noted Tarantino's films are extremely violent and that a woman enduring that much abuse is fine given the treatment of his other characters. Those who believe it's sexist though have noted just how extreme and enduring her injuries are and that the film seems to especially revel in her abuse. Then there's the matter of whether or not her deplorable nature makes it okay, or if her crimes are kept too offscreen for it to feel deserved.
* DesignatedHero: To the point where it's a bit hard to tell if Warren's even supposed to have the audience on his side, as he has little in the way of redeeming qualities and depending on how much of what he says regarding Smithers's is true, he might even be the worst person of the group.
** Creator/QuentinTarantino's CreatorCameo narration which starts off the second half. It comes completely out of nowhere, never occurs again, and spells out a situation to the audience which could've easily been shown and not told.
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* TooBleakStoppedCaring: There are very few likable characters among the main cast, if any, with O.B. Jackson being a possible exception. Ruth repeatedly beats an unarmed woman, Warren [[spoiler:killed and possibly raped General Smithers' son, in addition to [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking lying about his Lincoln letter]]]], Mannix, Smithers, and Daisy Domergue are all incredibly racist and bitter, and [[spoiler:the rest end up being murderous outlaws working for Jody Domergue's gang]]. However, this is somewhat alleviated by the fact that [[spoiler:Mannix gets better, as he was [[CassandraTruth telling the truth all along about being sheriff]], and if you subscribe to the AlternativeCharacterInterpretation that Warren lied about raping Smithers' son to goad him into drawing and/or the Lincoln Letter being genuine, then he gets better too. And if all else fails, you can just take some comfort in the fact that all of them are either dead or close to it in the end]].
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* TooBleakStoppedCaring: There are very few likable characters among the main cast, if any, with O.B. Jackson being a possible exception. Ruth repeatedly beats an unarmed woman, Warren [[spoiler:killed and possibly raped General Smithers' son, in addition to [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking lying about his Lincoln letter]]]], Mannix, Smithers, and Daisy Domergue are all incredibly racist and bitter, and [[spoiler:the rest end up being murderous outlaws working for Jody Domergue's gang]]. However, this is somewhat alleviated by the fact that [[spoiler:Mannix gets better, as he was [[CassandraTruth telling the truth all along about being sheriff]], and if you subscribe to the AlternativeCharacterInterpretation that Warren lied about raping Smithers' son to goad him into drawing and/or the Lincoln Letter being genuine, then he gets better too. And if all else fails, you can just take some comfort in the fact that all of them are either dead or close to it in the end]].end, with Warren having no chance of living and Mannix having tough odds as well]].
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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: There are very few likable characters among the main cast, if any, with O.B. Jackson being a possible exception. Ruth repeatedly beats an unarmed woman, Warren [[spoiler:killed and possibly raped General Smithers' son, in addition to [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking lying about his Lincoln letter]]]], Mannix, Smithers, and Daisy Domergue are all incredibly racist and bitter, and [[spoiler:the rest end up being murderous outlaws working for Jody Domergue's gang]]. However, this is somewhat alleviated by the fact that [[spoiler:Mannix gets better, as he was [[CassandraTruth telling the truth all along about being sheriff]], and if you subscribe to the AlternativeCharacterInterpretation that Warren lied about raping Smithers' son to goad him into drawing and/or the Lincoln Letter being genuine, then he gets better too. And if all else fails, you can just take some comfort in the fact that all of them are either dead or close to it in the end]].
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** The slow motion dialogue. "Youuuuuu gonnnnnnnaaaa maaaakeeee aaa deaaaaaaal withhh ttttttthis diaaaaaabolicallll bitchhhhhhh??????"
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*** Yes. Warren's weak denial is proof enough, and then he effectively admits it was fake when talking to Ruth - Mannix forcing him to admit it was fake serves as the trigger for Warren to kill the General.
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* SpecialEffectsFailure: When Warren shoots [[spoiler:Bob]], his gun is pointed at his stomach, but the squib is at the shoulder.
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* SpecialEffectsFailure: When Warren shoots [[spoiler:Bob]], the squibs go off in the wrong order; blood comes from his gun is pointed at his stomach, but shoulder when he's shot in the squib is at the shoulder.stomach and vice versa.
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* FairForItsDay: An in-universe example. John Ruth is shockingly more tolerant than the other characters (except for O.B. Jackson and perhaps some of the background characters), always taking care to treat Marquis as an equal, going as far as to defend his honor when Daisy calls him the N-word. [[spoiler:He only descends into slurs when he realizes that Marquis had lied to him about his Lincoln Letter. However, even then, his brief racism is nothing more than a knee-jerk reaction of hurt feelings. This is a far cry from the other characters, whose racial views run the gamut from exclusively referring to Marquis as the N-word, regardless of the circumstances, to considering him to be sub-human on principle.]]
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** O.B. the TokenGoodTeammate stage driver.
** While one of the least characterized of the eight, Mobray the hangman has a certain charm to him. [[spoiler:Even after his true identity is revealed, due to being the most AffablyEvil of the bunch.]]
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** O.B. the TokenGoodTeammate stage driver.
** While one of the least characterized of the eight, Mobray the hangman has a certain charm to him. [[spoiler:Even after his true identity is revealed, due to being the most AffablyEvil of the bunch.]]
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*** Given that [[spoiler:Smithers' conversation with Mannix suggests he knew that his son had gone off to do something dangerous (which killing one of the most wanted men in the Confederacy would certainly count as), and Warren knew the boy's first and middle names, which Smithers did not mention to Mannix Warren at all, and thus could not even have been talked about offscreen, it all. It seems likely that at least part of his story is true]].
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** JerkassWoobie: A few of the main characters have their moments. Daisy, for example, never catches a break throughout the film, and since we're never really told what she did, the worst things being uttering racial slurs, watch while several people die, and try to kill and manipulate a few others in fairly understandable self-defence, the violence against her feels like DisproportionateRetribution. Whilst her brother's gang executed a number of people, Daisy did not explicitly take part in the killing spree and her death feels unjustified to many viewers and is discussed as such in essays and reviews. [[spoiler:Until it's explained the $10,000 bounty is because she belongs to one of the worst criminal gangs around, led by her brother, who showed their ruthlessness by gunning down Minnie's crew.]]
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** JerkassWoobie: A few of the main characters have their moments. Daisy, for example, never catches a break throughout the film, and since we're never really told what she did, the worst things being uttering racial slurs, watch while several people die, and try to kill and manipulate a few others in fairly understandable self-defence, the violence against her feels like DisproportionateRetribution. Whilst her brother's gang executed a number of people, Daisy did not explicitly take part in the killing spree and her death feels unjustified to many viewers and is discussed as such in essays and reviews. [[spoiler:Until it's explained [[spoiler: Although given that the $10,000 bounty is because shared by the rest of the gang that she belongs to, it’s highly likely that prior to her capture she took part in murder sprees like the one of we see the worst criminal gangs around, led by her brother, who showed their ruthlessness by gunning down Minnie's crew.rest of them commit.]]
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** Did Warren [[spoiler: actually torture and rape Smithers' son? Given he knows who he was and liked overkill is it really far fetched? Or did he just make up the story to goad Smithers into attacking him so he could legally kill him?]]
*** Given that [[spoiler: Smithers' conversation with Mannix suggests he knew that his son had gone off to do something dangerous (which killing one of the most wanted men in the Confederacy would certainly count as,) and Warren knew the boy's first and middle names, which Smithers did not mention to Mannix at all, and thus could not even have been talked about offscreen, it seems likely that at least part of his story is true.]]
*** [[spoiler:Considering Warren claims to have forced Smithers' son to walk naked in the cold for two hours before collapsing, he would have been too hypothermic to get back up at the promise of a blanket (and may have been in the false warmth stage anyway). Warren could have just been exaggerating how long he tortured him though.]]
** Was the [[spoiler: Lincoln letter really fake? Or did Warren just play along with a bunch of racists making fun of him, and if fake why punch a woman in the face for ruining it then quickly try and save it? By the same token, if it was real, it would be almost expected he wouldn't take kindly to someone spitting on his letter from Lincoln, so his reaction could simply be acting to maintain the lie.]]
** Was Daisy [[spoiler:really guilty of murder? Sure, she's not the nicest person around, but we're never really told the exact circumstances of the alleged murder. Most characters like John Ruth treat her as if she's already guilty. However, Mobray raises the point that "frontier justice" has equal chances of being wrong as it is right, implying that Daisy might actually be innocent or wrongfully accused.]]
** [[spoiler: Is Ruth so brutal towards Daisy because he's [[RabidCop that much of a hardass]], or because Daisy herself is just that dangerous to be cuffed to? Whenever he makes an attempt to show her some leniency, she throws it in his face. It's possible that he'd be more respectful towards a more cooperative bounty.]]
** We're never really given a definitive answer to two questions: Is [[spoiler: Chris the sheriff of Red Rock?]] and [[spoiler: are there fifteen men coming to sack the town?]] The characters seem to believe that the former is yes, and the latter is no, but there's no proof either way. Considering it is Daisy who brings up [[spoiler:those fifteen men and their plan to sack Red Rock if Jody doesn't appear with her, despite there being no point at which she could have learned these specific details, it seems likely that, even if the other gang members do exist, their supposed threat to Chris and Warren is invented.]] It is, however, possible that she and her [[spoiler: brother]] may have had a general "if one of us is captured" plan laid out, with [[spoiler: "sack the town if you can't save me"]] as part of it.
*** [[spoiler: If there were fifteen trained killers, Jody's plan would've been unnecessary. Also there would be no point in sacking the town as it would just add to their already [[ArtisticLicenseHistory unrealistically large bounty.]]]]
*** Given that [[spoiler: Smithers' conversation with Mannix suggests he knew that his son had gone off to do something dangerous (which killing one of the most wanted men in the Confederacy would certainly count as,) and Warren knew the boy's first and middle names, which Smithers did not mention to Mannix at all, and thus could not even have been talked about offscreen, it seems likely that at least part of his story is true.]]
*** [[spoiler:Considering Warren claims to have forced Smithers' son to walk naked in the cold for two hours before collapsing, he would have been too hypothermic to get back up at the promise of a blanket (and may have been in the false warmth stage anyway). Warren could have just been exaggerating how long he tortured him though.]]
** Was the [[spoiler: Lincoln letter really fake? Or did Warren just play along with a bunch of racists making fun of him, and if fake why punch a woman in the face for ruining it then quickly try and save it? By the same token, if it was real, it would be almost expected he wouldn't take kindly to someone spitting on his letter from Lincoln, so his reaction could simply be acting to maintain the lie.]]
** Was Daisy [[spoiler:really guilty of murder? Sure, she's not the nicest person around, but we're never really told the exact circumstances of the alleged murder. Most characters like John Ruth treat her as if she's already guilty. However, Mobray raises the point that "frontier justice" has equal chances of being wrong as it is right, implying that Daisy might actually be innocent or wrongfully accused.]]
** [[spoiler: Is Ruth so brutal towards Daisy because he's [[RabidCop that much of a hardass]], or because Daisy herself is just that dangerous to be cuffed to? Whenever he makes an attempt to show her some leniency, she throws it in his face. It's possible that he'd be more respectful towards a more cooperative bounty.]]
** We're never really given a definitive answer to two questions: Is [[spoiler: Chris the sheriff of Red Rock?]] and [[spoiler: are there fifteen men coming to sack the town?]] The characters seem to believe that the former is yes, and the latter is no, but there's no proof either way. Considering it is Daisy who brings up [[spoiler:those fifteen men and their plan to sack Red Rock if Jody doesn't appear with her, despite there being no point at which she could have learned these specific details, it seems likely that, even if the other gang members do exist, their supposed threat to Chris and Warren is invented.]] It is, however, possible that she and her [[spoiler: brother]] may have had a general "if one of us is captured" plan laid out, with [[spoiler: "sack the town if you can't save me"]] as part of it.
*** [[spoiler: If there were fifteen trained killers, Jody's plan would've been unnecessary. Also there would be no point in sacking the town as it would just add to their already [[ArtisticLicenseHistory unrealistically large bounty.]]]]
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** Did Warren [[spoiler: actually [[spoiler:actually torture and rape Smithers' son? Given he knows who he was and liked overkill overkill, is it really far fetched? far-fetched? Or did he just make up the story to goad Smithers into attacking him so he could legally kill him?]]
*** Given that[[spoiler: Smithers' [[spoiler:Smithers' conversation with Mannix suggests he knew that his son had gone off to do something dangerous (which killing one of the most wanted men in the Confederacy would certainly count as,) as), and Warren knew the boy's first and middle names, which Smithers did not mention to Mannix at all, and thus could not even have been talked about offscreen, it seems likely that at least part of his story is true.]]
true]].
*** [[spoiler:Considering Warren claims to have forced Smithers' son to walk naked in the cold for two hours before collapsing, he would have been too hypothermic to get back up at the promise of a blanket (and may have been in the false warmth stage anyway). Warren could have just been exaggerating how long he torturedhim him, though.]]
** Was the[[spoiler: Lincoln [[spoiler:Lincoln letter really fake? Or did Warren just play along with a bunch of racists making fun of him, and if fake fake, why punch a woman in the face for ruining it it, then quickly try and save it? By the same token, if it was real, it would be almost expected he wouldn't take kindly to someone spitting on his letter from Lincoln, so his reaction could simply be acting to maintain the lie.]]
** Was Daisy [[spoiler:really guilty of murder? Sure, she's not the nicest person around, but we're never really told the exact circumstances of the alleged murder. Most characters like John Ruth treat her as if she's already guilty. However, Mobray raises the point that "frontier justice" has equal chances of being wrong as it is right, implying that Daisy might actually be innocent or wrongfully accused. Then again, Mobray is part of Jody's gang trying to rescue Daisy, so he easily could have just been trying to induce reasonable doubt about her guilt.]]
**[[spoiler: Is [[spoiler:Is Ruth so brutal towards Daisy because he's [[RabidCop that much of a hardass]], or because Daisy herself is just that dangerous to be cuffed to? Whenever he makes an attempt to show her some leniency, she throws it in his face. It's possible that he'd be more respectful towards a more cooperative bounty.]]
** We're never really given a definitive answer to two questions: Is[[spoiler: Chris [[spoiler:Chris the sheriff of Red Rock?]] and [[spoiler: are And [[spoiler:are there fifteen men coming to sack the town?]] The characters seem to believe that the former is yes, and the latter is no, but there's no proof either way. Considering it is Daisy who brings up [[spoiler:those fifteen men and their plan to sack Red Rock if Jody doesn't appear with her, despite there being no point at which she could have learned these specific details, it seems likely that, even if the other gang members do exist, their supposed threat to Chris and Warren is invented.]] invented]]. It is, however, possible that she and her [[spoiler: brother]] [[spoiler:brother]] may have had a general "if one of us is captured" plan laid out, with [[spoiler: "sack [[spoiler:"sack the town if you can't save me"]] as part of it.
***[[spoiler: If [[spoiler:If there were fifteen trained killers, Jody's plan would've been unnecessary. Also Also, there would be no point in sacking the town town, as it would just add to their already [[ArtisticLicenseHistory unrealistically large bounty.]]]]
*** Given that
*** [[spoiler:Considering Warren claims to have forced Smithers' son to walk naked in the cold for two hours before collapsing, he would have been too hypothermic to get back up at the promise of a blanket (and may have been in the false warmth stage anyway). Warren could have just been exaggerating how long he tortured
** Was the
** Was Daisy [[spoiler:really guilty of murder? Sure, she's not the nicest person around, but we're never really told the exact circumstances of the alleged murder. Most characters like John Ruth treat her as if she's already guilty. However, Mobray raises the point that "frontier justice" has equal chances of being wrong as it is right, implying that Daisy might actually be innocent or wrongfully accused. Then again, Mobray is part of Jody's gang trying to rescue Daisy, so he easily could have just been trying to induce reasonable doubt about her guilt.]]
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** We're never really given a definitive answer to two questions: Is
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** Smithers broke his no talk to niggers rule rather quickly when Warren talked to him again. Especially that for someone bitter about the Yankees winning the war sharing a battlefield shouldn't be enough for him to snap out of it. Smithers is considerably pleasant to Warren before the conversations turns to Smithers' son. [[spoiler:Justified in Jody expressly told him not to speak to anyone unless asked to so him accepting Warren's invitation could be him eager to do anything but just sit around and wait for Jody and his gang to do their thing.]]
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** Smithers broke his no talk to niggers rule rather quickly when Warren talked to him again. Especially that for someone bitter about the Yankees winning the war sharing a battlefield shouldn't be enough for him to snap out of it. Smithers is considerably pleasant to Warren before the conversations turns to Smithers' son. [[spoiler:Justified in that Jody expressly told him not to speak to anyone unless asked to to, so him accepting Warren's invitation could be him being eager to do anything but just sit around and wait for Jody and his gang to do their thing.]]
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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: There are very few likable characters among the main cast, if any, with O.B. Jackson being a possible exception. Ruth repeatedly beats an unarmed woman, Warren [[spoiler:killed and possibly raped General Smithers' son, in addition to [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking lying about his Lincoln letter]]]], Mannix, Smithers, and Daisy Domergue are all incredibly racist and bitter, and [[spoiler:the rest end up being murderous outlaws working for Jody Domergue's gang]]. However, this is somewhat alleviated by the fact that [[spoiler: Mannix gets better, as he was [[CassandraTruth telling the truth all along about being sheriff]], and if you subscribe to the AlternativeCharacterInterpretation that Warren lied about raping Smithers' son to goad him into drawing and/or the Lincoln Letter being genuine, then he gets better too. And if all else fails, you can just take some comfort in the fact that all of them are either dead or close to it in the end]].
* DracoInLeatherPants: A lot of people give Daisy the status of victim since we don't know how she got that bounty [[spoiler: to the point where they forgot Warren explained that being part of her brother's murderous gang is why her bounty is as high as it is, and she antagonizes as much as she gets beat up.]]
* FairForItsDay: John Ruth is shockingly more tolerant than the other characters (except for O.B. Jackson and perhaps some of the background characters), always taking care to treat Marquis as an equal, going as far as to defend his honor when Daisy calls him the N word. [[spoiler: He only descends into slurs when he realizes Marquis had lied to him about his Lincoln Letter. However, even then his brief racism is nothing more than a knee-jerk reaction of hurt feelings. A far cry from the other characters whose racial views run the gamut from exclusively referring to Marquis as the N word, regardless of the circumstances, to considering him to be sub-human on principle.]]
* FetishRetardant: Daisy tries winking and licking her lips at Warren. Unfortunately, the effect is ruined by the fact that her blood-covered face due to her nose just getting elbowed hard.
* GeniusBonus: At one point, Oswaldo Mobray suggests the interior of Minnie's be divided up in order to alleviate tensions, and the fireplace is chosen to represent the spirit of Georgia. History buffs will get a laugh out of that one remembering that Georgia was infamously almost burned to the ground by General Sherman.
* GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff: Literally. The film made nearly 2/3 of its $156 million haul overseas (mostly in Europe), an above average proportion for any movie and especially a Tarantino film, with its biggest foreign market being Germany where it earned $14 million. [[https://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/18/world/europe/germanys-fascination-with-american-old-west-native-american-scalps-human-remains.html This could be put down to Germany's love of western films.]]
* DracoInLeatherPants: A lot of people give Daisy the status of victim since we don't know how she got that bounty [[spoiler: to the point where they forgot Warren explained that being part of her brother's murderous gang is why her bounty is as high as it is, and she antagonizes as much as she gets beat up.]]
* FairForItsDay: John Ruth is shockingly more tolerant than the other characters (except for O.B. Jackson and perhaps some of the background characters), always taking care to treat Marquis as an equal, going as far as to defend his honor when Daisy calls him the N word. [[spoiler: He only descends into slurs when he realizes Marquis had lied to him about his Lincoln Letter. However, even then his brief racism is nothing more than a knee-jerk reaction of hurt feelings. A far cry from the other characters whose racial views run the gamut from exclusively referring to Marquis as the N word, regardless of the circumstances, to considering him to be sub-human on principle.]]
* FetishRetardant: Daisy tries winking and licking her lips at Warren. Unfortunately, the effect is ruined by the fact that her blood-covered face due to her nose just getting elbowed hard.
* GeniusBonus: At one point, Oswaldo Mobray suggests the interior of Minnie's be divided up in order to alleviate tensions, and the fireplace is chosen to represent the spirit of Georgia. History buffs will get a laugh out of that one remembering that Georgia was infamously almost burned to the ground by General Sherman.
* GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff: Literally. The film made nearly 2/3 of its $156 million haul overseas (mostly in Europe), an above average proportion for any movie and especially a Tarantino film, with its biggest foreign market being Germany where it earned $14 million. [[https://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/18/world/europe/germanys-fascination-with-american-old-west-native-american-scalps-human-remains.html This could be put down to Germany's love of western films.]]
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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: There are very few likable characters among the main cast, if any, with O.B. Jackson being a possible exception. Ruth repeatedly beats an unarmed woman, Warren [[spoiler:killed and possibly raped General Smithers' son, in addition to [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking lying about his Lincoln letter]]]], Mannix, Smithers, and Daisy Domergue are all incredibly racist and bitter, and [[spoiler:the rest end up being murderous outlaws working for Jody Domergue's gang]]. However, this is somewhat alleviated by the fact that [[spoiler: Mannix [[spoiler:Mannix gets better, as he was [[CassandraTruth telling the truth all along about being sheriff]], and if you subscribe to the AlternativeCharacterInterpretation that Warren lied about raping Smithers' son to goad him into drawing and/or the Lincoln Letter being genuine, then he gets better too. And if all else fails, you can just take some comfort in the fact that all of them are either dead or close to it in the end]].
* DracoInLeatherPants: A lot of people give Daisy the status of victim since we don't know how she got that bounty[[spoiler: to [[spoiler:to the point where they forgot that Warren explained that being part of her brother's murderous gang is why her bounty is as high as it is, and she antagonizes as much as she gets beat up.]]
up]].
* FairForItsDay: An in-universe example. John Ruth is shockingly more tolerant than the other characters (except for O.B. Jackson and perhaps some of the background characters), always taking care to treat Marquis as an equal, going as far as to defend his honor when Daisy calls him theN word. [[spoiler: He N-word. [[spoiler:He only descends into slurs when he realizes that Marquis had lied to him about his Lincoln Letter. However, even then then, his brief racism is nothing more than a knee-jerk reaction of hurt feelings. A This is a far cry from the other characters characters, whose racial views run the gamut from exclusively referring to Marquis as the N word, N-word, regardless of the circumstances, to considering him to be sub-human on principle.]]
* FetishRetardant: Daisy tries winking and licking her lips at Warren. Unfortunately, the effect is ruined bythe fact that her blood-covered face due to her nose just getting elbowed hard.
''hard''.
* GeniusBonus: At one point, Oswaldo Mobray suggests the interior of Minnie's be divided up in order to alleviate tensions, and the fireplace is chosen to represent the spirit of Georgia. History buffs will get a laugh out of thatone one, remembering that Georgia was infamously almost burned to the ground by General Sherman.
* GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff: Literally. The film made nearly 2/3 of its $156 million haul overseas (mostly in Europe), an above average proportion for any movie and especially a Tarantino film, with its biggest foreign market beingGermany Germany, where it earned $14 million. [[https://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/18/world/europe/germanys-fascination-with-american-old-west-native-american-scalps-human-remains.html This could be put down to Germany's love of western films.]]
* DracoInLeatherPants: A lot of people give Daisy the status of victim since we don't know how she got that bounty
* FairForItsDay: An in-universe example. John Ruth is shockingly more tolerant than the other characters (except for O.B. Jackson and perhaps some of the background characters), always taking care to treat Marquis as an equal, going as far as to defend his honor when Daisy calls him the
* FetishRetardant: Daisy tries winking and licking her lips at Warren. Unfortunately, the effect is ruined by
* GeniusBonus: At one point, Oswaldo Mobray suggests the interior of Minnie's be divided up in order to alleviate tensions, and the fireplace is chosen to represent the spirit of Georgia. History buffs will get a laugh out of that
* GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff: Literally. The film made nearly 2/3 of its $156 million haul overseas (mostly in Europe), an above average proportion for any movie and especially a Tarantino film, with its biggest foreign market being
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** [[spoiler: Jody's gang crosses this when they callously murder Minnie, her staff, and the stagecoach drivers without batting an eye.]]
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** [[spoiler: Jody's [[spoiler:Jody's gang crosses this when they callously murder Minnie, her staff, and the stagecoach drivers without batting an eye.]]
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* OvershadowedByControversy: The fact that a 140 year old antique guitar was accidentally destroyed during filming is a smaller controversy that may be all some people know about the film.
* RootingForTheEmpire: With a cabin full of murderers, racists, war criminals, people who beat their prisoners, and characters who claim to have tortured and raped the people who came to kill them, some viewers just want Daisy to turn the tables on these perverted lawmen. [[spoiler: Shame she never really does, even if they do all end up dying anyway, and it turns out that she was working with some of them all along.]]
* ShockingSwerve: [[spoiler: TheReveal that about half of the people in the cabin are all in on a plot to free Daisy (and that their leader has been hiding under the floor the whole time) casts the entire plot, and several of the characters, in a different light, not necessarily for the better.]] However, some of this is foreshadowed by things such as [[spoiler:the chess game with a missing opponent, the jelly bean dropped on the floor and the broken lock]]. Naturally, this creates an excellent RewatchBonus.
* RootingForTheEmpire: With a cabin full of murderers, racists, war criminals, people who beat their prisoners, and characters who claim to have tortured and raped the people who came to kill them, some viewers just want Daisy to turn the tables on these perverted lawmen. [[spoiler: Shame she never really does, even if they do all end up dying anyway, and it turns out that she was working with some of them all along.]]
* ShockingSwerve: [[spoiler: TheReveal that about half of the people in the cabin are all in on a plot to free Daisy (and that their leader has been hiding under the floor the whole time) casts the entire plot, and several of the characters, in a different light, not necessarily for the better.]] However, some of this is foreshadowed by things such as [[spoiler:the chess game with a missing opponent, the jelly bean dropped on the floor and the broken lock]]. Naturally, this creates an excellent RewatchBonus.
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* OvershadowedByControversy: The fact that a 140 year old 140-year-old antique guitar was accidentally destroyed during filming is a smaller controversy that may be all some people know about the film.
* RootingForTheEmpire: With a cabin full of murderers, racists, war criminals, people who beat their prisoners, and characters who claim to have tortured and raped the people who came to kill them, some viewers just want Daisy to turn the tables on these perverted lawmen.[[spoiler: Shame [[spoiler:Shame she never really does, even if they do all end up dying anyway, and it turns out that she was working with some of them all along.]]
* ShockingSwerve:[[spoiler: TheReveal [[spoiler:TheReveal that about half of the people in the cabin are all in on a plot to free Daisy (and that their leader has been hiding under the floor the whole time) casts the entire plot, and several of the characters, in a different light, not necessarily for the better.]] However, some of this is foreshadowed by things such as [[spoiler:the chess game with a missing opponent, the jelly bean dropped on the floor floor, and the broken lock]]. Naturally, this creates an excellent RewatchBonus.
* RootingForTheEmpire: With a cabin full of murderers, racists, war criminals, people who beat their prisoners, and characters who claim to have tortured and raped the people who came to kill them, some viewers just want Daisy to turn the tables on these perverted lawmen.
* ShockingSwerve:
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** [[spoiler:Daisy starts the picture as 100 pounds of crazy in a 10 pound bag; with her sass, feral cunning and her truly astounding ability to take a beating. However, she never gets a chance to truly shine, ending up just another victim, being hanged by 2 virtually incapacitated men. Her last attempt to kill the remaining heroes by chopping Ruth's arm was a good effort though.]]
** [[spoiler: Since 3 of the 8 are not who they say they are but are in fact members of a gang, some people may feel this way if they found the people they were posing as more interesting than the actual criminals, particularly since we don't get to know the "real" three. Channing Tatum might also get the short straw, since he only appears in flashback- again, spending much of his scene posing as someone he is not- before his head is blown off unceremoniously.]]
** [[spoiler: Since 3 of the 8 are not who they say they are but are in fact members of a gang, some people may feel this way if they found the people they were posing as more interesting than the actual criminals, particularly since we don't get to know the "real" three. Channing Tatum might also get the short straw, since he only appears in flashback- again, spending much of his scene posing as someone he is not- before his head is blown off unceremoniously.]]
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** [[spoiler:Daisy starts the picture as 100 pounds of crazy in a 10 pound bag; with her sass, feral cunning cunning, and her truly astounding ability to take a beating. However, she never gets a chance to truly shine, ending up just another victim, being hanged by 2 virtually incapacitated men. Her last attempt to kill the remaining heroes by chopping Ruth's arm was a good effort effort, though.]]
**[[spoiler: Since [[spoiler:Since 3 of the 8 are not who they say they are are, but are in fact members of a gang, some people may feel this way if they found the people they were posing as to be more interesting than the actual criminals, particularly since we don't get to know the "real" three. Channing Tatum might also get the short straw, since he only appears in flashback- flashback — again, spending much of his scene posing as someone he is not- not — before his head is blown off unceremoniously.]]
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** Okay, he's about as much of a dick as most of the other characters in the film, but it can be hard not to mourn the loss of [[spoiler:Ruth (and his glorious 'stache). Helps that he's played by Kurt Russell.]]
** [[spoiler: O.B Jackson was the only nice person around with a CoolHat and did not deserve to die like this.]]
** [[spoiler: O.B Jackson was the only nice person around with a CoolHat and did not deserve to die like this.]]
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** Okay, he's about as much of a dick as most of the other characters in the film, but it can be hard not to mourn the loss of [[spoiler:Ruth (and his glorious 'stache). Helps that he's played by Kurt Russell.]]
Russell]].
**[[spoiler: O.[[spoiler:O.B Jackson was the only nice person around with a CoolHat and did not deserve to die like this.]]
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** After [[spoiler: Ruth is poisoned, there are five people in on Daisy's escape who are all capable of easily killing the two confused lawmen (Warren and Mannix) who are both unsure who is working against them. Jody, armed and unseen, Mobray with a hidden pistol, Gage with the hidden pistol in the table, Daisy with Ruth's gun, and Bob. Yet they all surrender themselves to Warren for no reason.]]
** [[spoiler: Jody could only shoot at people directly above him and the hidden guns would require additional time to draw, with Warren already having a gun on everyone and shown himself to be a quick shot for them not to attempt it. Their only chance after Ruth was killed was Jody taking out Warren and the rest quick enough to kill Mannix but he surprised them by being a fast gunfighter as well. It doesn't help that Warren had already caught on that everything going on was a plot to free Daisy, meaning that if bullets started flying there was an excellent chance of him shooting her down out of sheer spite.]]
** [[spoiler: They had at least two big moment where they could have killed everyone if Gage decided to grab a gun after poisoning the coffee: When Warren is driving everyone's eyes on him as he taunts the general which gives him a chance to shoot Warren and Ruth while the unarmed O.B and Mannix are too busy being shocked and the aftermath of the poison above since Warren was again the only enemy armed and could not shoot Daisy while Ruth was beating her. They wanted to still fall back on their patience game after the poison which cost them big time.]]
** [[spoiler: Another huge mistake was using Marco the Mexican as "Bob", the caretaker of the Haberdashery. Not only is Marco an ''awful'' liar his accent is nigh impossible to hide and even without the plot he comes off as some Bandito that took over the place, since Warren knows that Minnie doesn't like Mexicans. ''Jody'' is the one that should have played the caretaker and Marco should had hid under the floor, as Jody is clearly much more charismatic and Marco is a quite a quick shot, as evidenced by his only shooting scene. In general it is quite clear the gang didn't use its own resources to the best, had charisma men such as Jody and Mobray been the ones upstairs and the more taciturn Marco and Grouch hidden, they would had probably won. ]]
*** [[spoiler: While Daisy was able to hide she recognised the others, it may have been harder for her to hide her recognition of her own brother which would have blown the whole plan. Plus it's possible Jody's face is known to the law and Ruth, being a bounty hunter claiming the bounty on Jody's sister, would have recognised him instantly. Having Jody above raises too many possible complications. Having Marco pose as "Bob" and pretend Minnie gave him charge of the Haberdashery while she was away was simply a case of CriticalResearchFailure, which is what blew the whole plan: They didn't account on Ruth being accompanied by someone who was very familiar with Minnie and the Haberdashery to know something was off from the get go. If Warren hadn't been with Ruth, the gang would have got away with it; an element they had no reason to anticipate.]]
*** That's debatable since [[spoiler:Minnie might not have hated Mexicans as she saw Bob earlier and didn't mind at all. Even if she was trying to maintain composure for the three other men he was with, she still would've shown signs of annoyance. Bob's clumsiness and bumbling nature is what gave him away.]]
** Warren's an excellent shot and he's not shy about using bullets to make his point. [[spoiler: Which means he's wasting ammunition, and runs out accordingly later on. You'd think an experienced CombatPragmatist would be a little more prudent about it. Daisy didn't really need to lose those toes, did she? Justified in that he is kind of delirious after the whole GroinAttack.]]
** [[spoiler: The remaining gang members try to persuade Mannix to kill Warren in exchange for being allowed to collect the bounties on their heads. What the gang members evidently forgot is that Mannix is the ''sheriff'' in town, meaning he wouldn't be able to collect those bounties even if he wanted to. Although this isn't brought up at the moment, it's likely a contributing factor to his refusal of the offer.]]
*** [[spoiler: Not helping the gang's odds is the fact that by the time they make the offer, Mannix is bleeding like a stuck pig from his wounded leg, which he can barely limp around on. He'd be incapable of getting them to Red Rock in the first place, and is probably doomed to bleed out regardless, so he has nothing to lose by simply killing them all. Although the promise of sacking Red Rock for vengeance is an attempt to play in his sense of duty, he already doesn't believe them.]]
*** Additionally, [[spoiler:Mannix himself points out Daisy knew the coffee was poisoned and was content to let him drink it, thus he had no reason to work with her.]]
* TheWoobie: [[spoiler: Six-Horse Judy is a perky and completely innocent sweetheart...who gets gunned down by Groucho while she begs for her life.]]
** JerkassWoobie: A few of the main characters have their moments. Daisy, for example, never catches a break throughout the film, and since we're never really told what she did, the worst things being uttering racial slurs, watch while several people die and try to kill and manipulate a few others in fairly understandable self-defence, the violence against her feels like DisproportionateRetribution. Whilst her brother's gang executed a number of people, Daisy did not explicitly take part in the killing spree and her death feels unjustified to many viewers and is discussed as such in essays and reviews [[spoiler: Until it's explained the $10,000 bounty is because she belongs to one of the worse criminal gang led by her brother, who showed their ruthlessness by gunning Minnie's crew.]]
** [[spoiler: Jody could only shoot at people directly above him and the hidden guns would require additional time to draw, with Warren already having a gun on everyone and shown himself to be a quick shot for them not to attempt it. Their only chance after Ruth was killed was Jody taking out Warren and the rest quick enough to kill Mannix but he surprised them by being a fast gunfighter as well. It doesn't help that Warren had already caught on that everything going on was a plot to free Daisy, meaning that if bullets started flying there was an excellent chance of him shooting her down out of sheer spite.]]
** [[spoiler: They had at least two big moment where they could have killed everyone if Gage decided to grab a gun after poisoning the coffee: When Warren is driving everyone's eyes on him as he taunts the general which gives him a chance to shoot Warren and Ruth while the unarmed O.B and Mannix are too busy being shocked and the aftermath of the poison above since Warren was again the only enemy armed and could not shoot Daisy while Ruth was beating her. They wanted to still fall back on their patience game after the poison which cost them big time.]]
** [[spoiler: Another huge mistake was using Marco the Mexican as "Bob", the caretaker of the Haberdashery. Not only is Marco an ''awful'' liar his accent is nigh impossible to hide and even without the plot he comes off as some Bandito that took over the place, since Warren knows that Minnie doesn't like Mexicans. ''Jody'' is the one that should have played the caretaker and Marco should had hid under the floor, as Jody is clearly much more charismatic and Marco is a quite a quick shot, as evidenced by his only shooting scene. In general it is quite clear the gang didn't use its own resources to the best, had charisma men such as Jody and Mobray been the ones upstairs and the more taciturn Marco and Grouch hidden, they would had probably won. ]]
*** [[spoiler: While Daisy was able to hide she recognised the others, it may have been harder for her to hide her recognition of her own brother which would have blown the whole plan. Plus it's possible Jody's face is known to the law and Ruth, being a bounty hunter claiming the bounty on Jody's sister, would have recognised him instantly. Having Jody above raises too many possible complications. Having Marco pose as "Bob" and pretend Minnie gave him charge of the Haberdashery while she was away was simply a case of CriticalResearchFailure, which is what blew the whole plan: They didn't account on Ruth being accompanied by someone who was very familiar with Minnie and the Haberdashery to know something was off from the get go. If Warren hadn't been with Ruth, the gang would have got away with it; an element they had no reason to anticipate.]]
*** That's debatable since [[spoiler:Minnie might not have hated Mexicans as she saw Bob earlier and didn't mind at all. Even if she was trying to maintain composure for the three other men he was with, she still would've shown signs of annoyance. Bob's clumsiness and bumbling nature is what gave him away.]]
** Warren's an excellent shot and he's not shy about using bullets to make his point. [[spoiler: Which means he's wasting ammunition, and runs out accordingly later on. You'd think an experienced CombatPragmatist would be a little more prudent about it. Daisy didn't really need to lose those toes, did she? Justified in that he is kind of delirious after the whole GroinAttack.]]
** [[spoiler: The remaining gang members try to persuade Mannix to kill Warren in exchange for being allowed to collect the bounties on their heads. What the gang members evidently forgot is that Mannix is the ''sheriff'' in town, meaning he wouldn't be able to collect those bounties even if he wanted to. Although this isn't brought up at the moment, it's likely a contributing factor to his refusal of the offer.]]
*** [[spoiler: Not helping the gang's odds is the fact that by the time they make the offer, Mannix is bleeding like a stuck pig from his wounded leg, which he can barely limp around on. He'd be incapable of getting them to Red Rock in the first place, and is probably doomed to bleed out regardless, so he has nothing to lose by simply killing them all. Although the promise of sacking Red Rock for vengeance is an attempt to play in his sense of duty, he already doesn't believe them.]]
*** Additionally, [[spoiler:Mannix himself points out Daisy knew the coffee was poisoned and was content to let him drink it, thus he had no reason to work with her.]]
* TheWoobie: [[spoiler: Six-Horse Judy is a perky and completely innocent sweetheart...who gets gunned down by Groucho while she begs for her life.]]
** JerkassWoobie: A few of the main characters have their moments. Daisy, for example, never catches a break throughout the film, and since we're never really told what she did, the worst things being uttering racial slurs, watch while several people die and try to kill and manipulate a few others in fairly understandable self-defence, the violence against her feels like DisproportionateRetribution. Whilst her brother's gang executed a number of people, Daisy did not explicitly take part in the killing spree and her death feels unjustified to many viewers and is discussed as such in essays and reviews [[spoiler: Until it's explained the $10,000 bounty is because she belongs to one of the worse criminal gang led by her brother, who showed their ruthlessness by gunning Minnie's crew.]]
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** After [[spoiler: Ruth [[spoiler:Ruth is poisoned, there are five people in on Daisy's escape who are all capable of easily killing the two confused lawmen (Warren and Mannix) who are both unsure who is working against them. Jody, armed and unseen, Mobray with a hidden pistol, Gage with the hidden pistol in the table, Daisy with Ruth's gun, and Bob. Yet they all surrender themselves to Warren for no reason.]]
**[[spoiler: Jody [[spoiler:Jody could only shoot at people directly above him and the hidden guns would require additional time to draw, with Warren already having a gun on everyone and shown himself to be a quick shot for them not to attempt it. Their only chance after Ruth was killed was Jody taking out Warren and the rest quick enough to kill Mannix Mannix, but he surprised them by being a fast gunfighter as well. It doesn't help that Warren had already caught on that everything going on was a plot to free Daisy, meaning that if bullets started flying flying, there was an excellent chance of him shooting her down out of sheer spite.]]
**[[spoiler: They [[spoiler:They had at least two big moment moments where they could have killed everyone if Gage decided to grab a gun after poisoning the coffee: When Warren is driving everyone's eyes on him as he taunts the general general, which gives him a chance to shoot Warren and Ruth while the unarmed O.B and Mannix are too busy being shocked shocked, and the aftermath of the poison above above, since Warren was again the only enemy armed and could not shoot Daisy while Ruth was beating her. They wanted to still fall back on their patience game after the poison poison, which cost them big time.]]
**[[spoiler: Another [[spoiler:Another huge mistake was using Marco the Mexican as "Bob", the caretaker of the Haberdashery. Not only is Marco an ''awful'' liar liar, his accent is nigh impossible nigh-impossible to hide hide, and even without the plot plot, he comes off as some Bandito {{Bandito}} that took over the place, since Warren knows that Minnie doesn't like Mexicans. ''Jody'' is the one that should have played the caretaker and Marco should had hid under the floor, as Jody is clearly much more charismatic and Marco is a quite a quick shot, as evidenced by his only shooting scene. In general general, it is quite clear the gang didn't use its own resources to the best, best; had charisma men such as Jody and Mobray been the ones upstairs and the more taciturn Marco and Grouch hidden, they would had probably won. ]]
***[[spoiler: While [[spoiler:While Daisy was able to hide she recognised the others, it may have been harder for her to hide her recognition of her own brother brother, which would have blown the whole plan. Plus Plus, it's possible that Jody's face is known to the law and Ruth, being a bounty hunter claiming the bounty on Jody's sister, would have recognised him instantly. Having Jody above raises too many possible complications. Having Marco pose as "Bob" and pretend Minnie gave him charge of the Haberdashery while she was away was simply a case of CriticalResearchFailure, which is what blew the whole plan: They didn't account on Ruth being accompanied by someone who was very familiar with Minnie and the Haberdashery to know something was off from the get go.get-go. If Warren hadn't been with Ruth, the gang would have got away with it; an element they had no reason to anticipate.]]
*** That's debatable since [[spoiler:Minnie might not have hatedMexicans Mexicans, as she saw Bob earlier and didn't mind at all. Even if she was trying to maintain composure for the three other men he was with, she still would've shown signs of annoyance. Bob's clumsiness and bumbling nature is what gave him away.]]
** Warren's an excellent shot and he's not shy about using bullets to make his point.[[spoiler: Which [[spoiler:Which means he's wasting ammunition, and runs out accordingly later on. You'd think an experienced CombatPragmatist would be a little more prudent about it. Daisy didn't really need to lose those toes, did she? Justified in that he is kind of delirious after the whole GroinAttack.]]
**[[spoiler: The [[spoiler:The remaining gang members try to persuade Mannix to kill Warren in exchange for being allowed to collect the bounties on their heads. What the gang members evidently forgot is that Mannix is the ''sheriff'' in town, meaning he wouldn't be able to collect those bounties even if he wanted to. Although this isn't brought up at the moment, it's likely a contributing factor to his refusal of the offer.]]
***[[spoiler: Not [[spoiler:Not helping the gang's odds is the fact that by the time they make the offer, Mannix is bleeding like a stuck pig from his wounded leg, which he can barely limp around on. He'd be incapable of getting them to Red Rock in the first place, and is probably doomed to bleed out regardless, so he has nothing to lose by simply killing them all. Although the promise of sacking Red Rock for vengeance is an attempt to play in on his sense of duty, he already doesn't believe them.]]
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* TheWoobie:[[spoiler: Six-Horse [[spoiler:Six-Horse Judy is a perky and completely innocent sweetheart...sweetheart... who gets gunned down by Groucho while she begs for her life.]]
** JerkassWoobie: A few of the main characters have their moments. Daisy, for example, never catches a break throughout the film, and since we're never really told what she did, the worst things being uttering racial slurs, watch while several peopledie die, and try to kill and manipulate a few others in fairly understandable self-defence, the violence against her feels like DisproportionateRetribution. Whilst her brother's gang executed a number of people, Daisy did not explicitly take part in the killing spree and her death feels unjustified to many viewers and is discussed as such in essays and reviews [[spoiler: Until reviews. [[spoiler:Until it's explained the $10,000 bounty is because she belongs to one of the worse worst criminal gang gangs around, led by her brother, who showed their ruthlessness by gunning down Minnie's crew.]]
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* SpiritualAdaptation: The movie has been referred to by many people as the western-edition of ''[[Film/TheThing1982 The Thing]]'', as both movies feature a group of people being trapped in freezing conditions and not being able to trust one another. Tarantino actually stated outright that it was one of his biggest inspirations when making the film. What adds even more to the similarities is that both films star Kurt Russell and that some of Ennio Morricone's unused tracks for ''The Thing'' are used in certain scenes.
** Some might also say that it's very similar to ''Film/TwelveAngryMen'', just set in a western.
** The plot and [[KillEmAll general tone]] hearken back to the 1972 grindhouse western ''Cut-throats Nine.''
** The film's BlackComedy undertones, eleventh hour [[TheReveal plot twist]], and nasty PayEvilUntoEvil ending have [[https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2015/12/the-hateful-eight.html been]] [[http://www.filmfracture.com/films/the-hateful-eight-movie-review compared]] to Creator/ECComics, seeing the whole venture as the best Series/TalesFromTheCrypt episode never put to celluloid.
** Some see it as ''Film/ReservoirDogs'' SpiritualSuccessor, noting the confined setting, presence of mole in the ranks and the fact that [[spoiler:everyone dies]].
** Tarantino also acknowledged the influence of TV westerns such as ''Series/{{Bonanza}}'', ''Series/TheVirginian'', and ''The High Chaparral'' on the film, saying that in many ways it is what you would get if you took a mystery episode of one of these series and removed the heroic characters. Tarantino's quote discussing this can be found in its entirety on [[Quotes/TheHatefulEight the quotes page]].
* TearJerker: The ending can come off as this, especially with Roy Orbinson's "There Won't Be Many Coming Home" playing.
** Some might also say that it's very similar to ''Film/TwelveAngryMen'', just set in a western.
** The plot and [[KillEmAll general tone]] hearken back to the 1972 grindhouse western ''Cut-throats Nine.''
** The film's BlackComedy undertones, eleventh hour [[TheReveal plot twist]], and nasty PayEvilUntoEvil ending have [[https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2015/12/the-hateful-eight.html been]] [[http://www.filmfracture.com/films/the-hateful-eight-movie-review compared]] to Creator/ECComics, seeing the whole venture as the best Series/TalesFromTheCrypt episode never put to celluloid.
** Some see it as ''Film/ReservoirDogs'' SpiritualSuccessor, noting the confined setting, presence of mole in the ranks and the fact that [[spoiler:everyone dies]].
** Tarantino also acknowledged the influence of TV westerns such as ''Series/{{Bonanza}}'', ''Series/TheVirginian'', and ''The High Chaparral'' on the film, saying that in many ways it is what you would get if you took a mystery episode of one of these series and removed the heroic characters. Tarantino's quote discussing this can be found in its entirety on [[Quotes/TheHatefulEight the quotes page]].
* TearJerker: The ending can come off as this, especially with Roy Orbinson's "There Won't Be Many Coming Home" playing.
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** Some might also say that it's very similar to ''Film/TwelveAngryMen'', just set in a western.
** The plot and [[KillEmAll general tone]] hearken back to the 1972 grindhouse western ''Cut-throats Nine.''
** The film's BlackComedy undertones, eleventh hour [[TheReveal plot twist]], and nasty PayEvilUntoEvil ending have [[https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2015/12/the-hateful-eight.html been]] [[http://www.filmfracture.com/films/the-hateful-eight-movie-review compared]] to Creator/ECComics, seeing the whole venture as the best Series/TalesFromTheCrypt episode never put to celluloid.
** Some see it as ''Film/ReservoirDogs'' SpiritualSuccessor, noting the confined setting, presence of mole in the ranks and the fact that [[spoiler:everyone dies]].
** Tarantino also acknowledged the influence of TV westerns such as ''Series/{{Bonanza}}'', ''Series/TheVirginian'', and ''The High Chaparral'' on the film, saying that in many ways it is what you would get if you took a mystery episode of one of these series and removed the heroic characters. Tarantino's quote discussing this can be found in its entirety on [[Quotes/TheHatefulEight the quotes page]].
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* GeniusBonus: At one point, Oswaldo Mobray suggests the interior of Minnie's be divided up in order to alleviate tensions, and the fireplace is chosen to represent the spirit of Georgia. History buffs will get a laugh out of that one remembering that Georgia was infamously [[CrossesTheLineTwice almost burned to the ground by General Sherman.]]
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* GeniusBonus: At one point, Oswaldo Mobray suggests the interior of Minnie's be divided up in order to alleviate tensions, and the fireplace is chosen to represent the spirit of Georgia. History buffs will get a laugh out of that one remembering that Georgia was infamously [[CrossesTheLineTwice almost burned to the ground by General Sherman.]]
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*** [[spoiler: If there were fifteen trained killers, Jody's plan would've been unnecessary. Also there would be no point in sacking the town as it would just add to their already [[ArtisticLicenseHistory unrealistically large bounty.]]]]