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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Bucky is stunned when Ayo deactivates his arm in the middle of combat. Is he [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone soaking in the consequences of freeing Zemo]], or recognizing the implications of having a fail safe built into his arm. Namely, that even the famously confident Wakandans didn’t trust him not to lose control. [[TakeAThirdOption Or, he’s just shocked and hurt that Ayo, who he trusted, so readily used that weakness against him]].
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With three people in the clean-up thread
agreeing that this is not a good entry, I think it's time to remove it.
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Zemo claims that anyone who takes the super-soldier serum will be corrupted, but concedes that Steve Rogers wasn't. This re-raises the question of was Steve ever truly "incorruptible"?
** Even back in ''Film/CaptainAmericaTheFirstAvenger'', Steve was willing to break the chain of command and go AWOL when he thought that he was the only one who could do what was necessary.
** In ''Film/TheAvengers2012'', right after telling Tony and Bruce to just trust Nick Fury and get back to work, he immediately breaks into a restricted section of the helicarrier to find out what Fury and SHIELD are up to.
** After leaving government service at the end of ''Film/CaptainAmericaTheWinterSoldier'', Steve still leads the Avengers, a government-formed group, conducting operations both covert and overt in foreign countries for years with no oversight from anyone. Even after 177 countries signed the Sokovia Accords, he still wouldn't submit to any oversight because his judgment was the only judgment he trusted.
** There is also him keeping the secret of the Winter Soldier killing Howard and Maria Stark from Tony in ''Film/CaptainAmericaCivilWar'' after his jab at Tony in ''Film/AvengersAgeOfUltron'' about how frustrating it is when teammates keep secrets.
* SignatureScene: The shot of John Walker holding Cap's shield smeared with blood of the Flag Smasher he killed in public, symbolizing how the mantle of Captain America and the ideals Steve fought for are now tainted with Walker's vengeful action.
** Even back in ''Film/CaptainAmericaTheFirstAvenger'', Steve was willing to break the chain of command and go AWOL when he thought that he was the only one who could do what was necessary.
** In ''Film/TheAvengers2012'', right after telling Tony and Bruce to just trust Nick Fury and get back to work, he immediately breaks into a restricted section of the helicarrier to find out what Fury and SHIELD are up to.
** After leaving government service at the end of ''Film/CaptainAmericaTheWinterSoldier'', Steve still leads the Avengers, a government-formed group, conducting operations both covert and overt in foreign countries for years with no oversight from anyone. Even after 177 countries signed the Sokovia Accords, he still wouldn't submit to any oversight because his judgment was the only judgment he trusted.
** There is also him keeping the secret of the Winter Soldier killing Howard and Maria Stark from Tony in ''Film/CaptainAmericaCivilWar'' after his jab at Tony in ''Film/AvengersAgeOfUltron'' about how frustrating it is when teammates keep secrets.
* SignatureScene: The shot of John Walker holding Cap's shield smeared with blood of the Flag Smasher he killed in public, symbolizing how the mantle of Captain America and the ideals Steve fought for are now tainted with Walker's vengeful action.
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** Even back in ''Film/CaptainAmericaTheFirstAvenger'', Steve was willing to break the chain of command and go AWOL when he thought that he was the only one who could do what was necessary.
** In ''Film/TheAvengers2012'', right after telling Tony and Bruce to just trust Nick Fury and get back to work, he immediately breaks into a restricted section of the helicarrier to find out what Fury and SHIELD are up to.
** After leaving government service at the end of ''Film/CaptainAmericaTheWinterSoldier'', Steve still leads the Avengers, a government-formed group, conducting operations both covert and overt in foreign countries for years with no oversight from anyone. Even after 177 countries signed the Sokovia Accords, he still wouldn't submit to any oversight because his judgment was the only judgment he trusted.
** There is also him keeping the secret of the Winter Soldier killing Howard and Maria Stark from Tony in ''Film/CaptainAmericaCivilWar'' after his jab at Tony in ''Film/AvengersAgeOfUltron'' about how frustrating it is when teammates keep secrets.
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* SignatureScene: [[spoiler:The shot of John Walker holding Cap's shield smeared with blood of the Flag Smasher he killed in public, symbolizing how the mantle of Captain America and the ideals Steve fought for are now tainted with Walker's vengeful action.]]
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Per discussions, it doesn't count.
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** There is also him keeping the secret of the Winter Soldier killing Howard and Maria Stark from Tony in ''Film/CaptainAmericaCivilWar'' after his jab at Tony in ''Film/AvengersAgeOfUltron'' about how frustrating it is when teammates keep secrets.
* MoralEventHorizon: Karli crosses it when she calls Sarah Wilson and threatens the lives of her sons, though she insists she wouldn't have acted on it and she only did it to make Sam think she was serious. Deconstructed with killing Lemar, as it was an accident that she made in self-defense and is legitimately horrified by, even though she was going to kill Walker just for being Captain America.
%% ** Walker hints that he has done horrible things that still haunt him before the start of the series, but crosses the MoralEventHorizon for the show when he beats a defenseless, pleading Nico to death with the shield.
* MoralEventHorizon: Karli crosses it when she calls Sarah Wilson and threatens the lives of her sons, though she insists she wouldn't have acted on it and she only did it to make Sam think she was serious. Deconstructed with killing Lemar, as it was an accident that she made in self-defense and is legitimately horrified by, even though she was going to kill Walker just for being Captain America.
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** There is also him keeping the secret of the Winter Soldier killing Howard and Maria Stark from Tony in ''Film/CaptainAmericaCivilWar'' after his jab at Tony in ''Film/AvengersAgeOfUltron'' about how frustrating it is when teammates keep secrets. \n* MoralEventHorizon: Karli crosses it when she calls Sarah Wilson and threatens the lives of her sons, though she insists she wouldn't have acted on it and she only did it to make Sam think she was serious. Deconstructed with killing Lemar, as it was an accident that she made in self-defense and is legitimately horrified by, even though she was going to kill Walker just for being Captain America.\n%% ** Walker hints that he has done horrible things that still haunt him before the start of the series, but crosses the MoralEventHorizon for the show when he beats a defenseless, pleading Nico to death with the shield.
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** After leaving government service at the end of ''Film/CaptainAmericaTheWinterSoldier'', Steve still leads the Avengers, a government-formed group, conducting operations both covert and overt in foreign countries for years with no oversight from anyone. Even after 177 countries signed the Sokovia Accords, he still wouldn't submit to any oversight because his judgment was the only judgment he trusted.
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Crashing the helicariers to prevent millions of people being murdered is not a sign of being corrupted.
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** In ''Film/CaptainAmericaTheWinterSoldier'', he crashes three more helicarriers into a government building and leaves government service entirely, essentially taking the Avengers with him, because he believes that his is the only leadership he can trust (granted the alternative was letting who knows how many innocent people die).
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Zemo claims that anyone who takes the super-soldier serum will be corrupted, but concedes that Steve Rogers wasn't. This re-raises the question of was Steve ever corrupted by it? Even in ''Film/CaptainAmericaTheFirstAvenger'', he was willing to break the chain of command and go AWOL when he thought that he was the only one who could do what was necessary. In ''Film/TheAvengers2012'', right after telling Tony and Bruce to just trust Nick Fury and get back to work, he immediately breaks into a restricted section of the helicarrier to find out what Fury and SHIELD are up to. And, of course, in ''Film/CaptainAmericaTheWinterSoldier'', he crashes three more helicarriers into a government building and leaves government service entirely, essentially taking the Avengers with him, because he believes that his is the only leadership he can trust (granted the alternative was letting who knows how many innocent people die). There is also him keeping the secret of the Winter Soldier killing Howard and Maria Stark from Tony in ''Film/CaptainAmericaCivilWar'' after his jab at Tony in ''Film/AvengersAgeOfUltron'' about how frustrating it is when teammates keep secrets. So, was Cap truly "incorruptible"?
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Zemo claims that anyone who takes the super-soldier serum will be corrupted, but concedes that Steve Rogers wasn't. This re-raises the question of was Steve ever corrupted by it? truly "incorruptible"?
** Even back in ''Film/CaptainAmericaTheFirstAvenger'',he Steve was willing to break the chain of command and go AWOL when he thought that he was the only one who could do what was necessary. necessary.
** In ''Film/TheAvengers2012'', right after telling Tony and Bruce to just trust Nick Fury and get back to work, he immediately breaks into a restricted section of the helicarrier to find out what Fury and SHIELD are upto. And, of course, in to.
** In ''Film/CaptainAmericaTheWinterSoldier'', he crashes three more helicarriers into a government building and leaves government service entirely, essentially taking the Avengers with him, because he believes that his is the only leadership he can trust (granted the alternative was letting who knows how many innocent peopledie). die).
** There is also him keeping the secret of the Winter Soldier killing Howard and Maria Stark from Tony in ''Film/CaptainAmericaCivilWar'' after his jab at Tony in ''Film/AvengersAgeOfUltron'' about how frustrating it is when teammates keep secrets.So, was Cap truly "incorruptible"?
** Even back in ''Film/CaptainAmericaTheFirstAvenger'',
** In ''Film/TheAvengers2012'', right after telling Tony and Bruce to just trust Nick Fury and get back to work, he immediately breaks into a restricted section of the helicarrier to find out what Fury and SHIELD are up
** In ''Film/CaptainAmericaTheWinterSoldier'', he crashes three more helicarriers into a government building and leaves government service entirely, essentially taking the Avengers with him, because he believes that his is the only leadership he can trust (granted the alternative was letting who knows how many innocent people
** There is also him keeping the secret of the Winter Soldier killing Howard and Maria Stark from Tony in ''Film/CaptainAmericaCivilWar'' after his jab at Tony in ''Film/AvengersAgeOfUltron'' about how frustrating it is when teammates keep secrets.
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Zemo claims that anyone who takes the super-soldier serum will be corrupted, but concedes that Steve Rogers wasn't. This re-raises the question of was Steve ever corrupted by it? Even in ''Film/CaptainAmericaTheFirstAvenger'', he was willing to break the chain of command and go AWOL when he thought that he was the only one who could do what was necessary. In ''Film/TheAvengers2012'', right after telling Tony and Bruce to just trust Nick Fury and get back to work, he immediately breaks into a restricted section of the helicarrier to find out what Fury and SHIELD are up to. And, of course, in ''Film/CaptainAmericaTheWinterSoldier'', he crashes three more helicarriers into a government building and leaves government service entirely, essentially taking the Avengers with him, because he believes that his is the only leadership he can trust (granted the alternative was letting who knows how many innocent people die). There is also him keeping the secret of the Winter Soldier killing Howard and Maria Stark from Tony in ''Film/CaptainAmericaCivilWar'' after his jab at Tony in Age of Ultron about how frustrating it is when teammates keep secrets. So, was Cap truly "incorruptible"?
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Zemo claims that anyone who takes the super-soldier serum will be corrupted, but concedes that Steve Rogers wasn't. This re-raises the question of was Steve ever corrupted by it? Even in ''Film/CaptainAmericaTheFirstAvenger'', he was willing to break the chain of command and go AWOL when he thought that he was the only one who could do what was necessary. In ''Film/TheAvengers2012'', right after telling Tony and Bruce to just trust Nick Fury and get back to work, he immediately breaks into a restricted section of the helicarrier to find out what Fury and SHIELD are up to. And, of course, in ''Film/CaptainAmericaTheWinterSoldier'', he crashes three more helicarriers into a government building and leaves government service entirely, essentially taking the Avengers with him, because he believes that his is the only leadership he can trust (granted the alternative was letting who knows how many innocent people die). There is also him keeping the secret of the Winter Soldier killing Howard and Maria Stark from Tony in ''Film/CaptainAmericaCivilWar'' after his jab at Tony in Age of Ultron ''Film/AvengersAgeOfUltron'' about how frustrating it is when teammates keep secrets. So, was Cap truly "incorruptible"?
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Zemo claims that anyone who takes the super-soldier serum will be corrupted, but concedes that Steve Rogers wasn't. This re-raises the question of was Steve ever corrupted by it? Even in ''Film/CaptainAmericaTheFirstAvenger'', he was willing to break the chain of command and go AWOL when he thought that he was the only one who could do what was necessary. In ''Film/TheAvengers2012'', right after telling Tony and Bruce to just trust Nick Fury and get back to work, he immediately breaks into a restricted section of the helicarrier to find out what Fury and SHIELD are up to. And, of course, in ''Film/CaptainAmericaTheWinterSoldier'', he crashes three more helicarriers into a government building and leaves government service entirely, essentially taking the Avengers with him, because he believes that his is the only leadership he can trust (granted the alternative was letting who knows how many innocent people die). So, was Cap truly "incorruptible"?
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Zemo claims that anyone who takes the super-soldier serum will be corrupted, but concedes that Steve Rogers wasn't. This re-raises the question of was Steve ever corrupted by it? Even in ''Film/CaptainAmericaTheFirstAvenger'', he was willing to break the chain of command and go AWOL when he thought that he was the only one who could do what was necessary. In ''Film/TheAvengers2012'', right after telling Tony and Bruce to just trust Nick Fury and get back to work, he immediately breaks into a restricted section of the helicarrier to find out what Fury and SHIELD are up to. And, of course, in ''Film/CaptainAmericaTheWinterSoldier'', he crashes three more helicarriers into a government building and leaves government service entirely, essentially taking the Avengers with him, because he believes that his is the only leadership he can trust (granted the alternative was letting who knows how many innocent people die). There is also him keeping the secret of the Winter Soldier killing Howard and Maria Stark from Tony in ''Film/CaptainAmericaCivilWar'' after his jab at Tony in Age of Ultron about how frustrating it is when teammates keep secrets. So, was Cap truly "incorruptible"?
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Zemo claims that anyone who takes the super-soldier serum will be corrupted, but concedes that Steve Rogers wasn't. This re-raises the question of was Steve ever corrupted by it? Even in ''Film/CaptainAmericaTheFirstAvenger'', he was willing to break the chain of command and go AWOL when he thought that he was the only one who could do what was necessary. In ''Film/TheAvengers2012'', right after telling Tony and Bruce to just trust Nick Fury and get back to work, he immediately breaks into a restricted section of the helicarrier to find out what Fury and SHIELD are up to. And, of course, in ''Film/CaptainAmericaTheWinterSoldier'', he crashes three more helicarriers into a government building and leaves government service entirely, essentially taking the Avengers with him, because he believes that his is the only leadership he can trust. So, was Cap truly "incorruptible"?
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Zemo claims that anyone who takes the super-soldier serum will be corrupted, but concedes that Steve Rogers wasn't. This re-raises the question of was Steve ever corrupted by it? Even in ''Film/CaptainAmericaTheFirstAvenger'', he was willing to break the chain of command and go AWOL when he thought that he was the only one who could do what was necessary. In ''Film/TheAvengers2012'', right after telling Tony and Bruce to just trust Nick Fury and get back to work, he immediately breaks into a restricted section of the helicarrier to find out what Fury and SHIELD are up to. And, of course, in ''Film/CaptainAmericaTheWinterSoldier'', he crashes three more helicarriers into a government building and leaves government service entirely, essentially taking the Avengers with him, because he believes that his is the only leadership he can trust.trust (granted the alternative was letting who knows how many innocent people die). So, was Cap truly "incorruptible"?
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Adding back in because it is, indeed, an alternative interpretation of Cap's character which is raised by Zemo's assertion that the super-soldier serum is a corrupting influence.
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Zemo claims that anyone who takes the super-soldier serum will be corrupted, but concedes that Steve Rogers wasn't. This re-raises the question of was Steve ever corrupted by it? Even in ''Film/CaptainAmericaTheFirstAvenger'', he was willing to break the chain of command and go AWOL when he thought that he was the only one who could do what was necessary. In ''Film/TheAvengers2012'', right after telling Tony and Bruce to just trust Nick Fury and get back to work, he immediately breaks into a restricted section of the helicarrier to find out what Fury and SHIELD are up to. And, of course, in ''Film/CaptainAmericaTheWinterSoldier'', he crashes three more helicarriers into a government building and leaves government service entirely, essentially taking the Avengers with him, because he believes that his is the only leadership he can trust. So, was Cap truly "incorruptible"?
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How does any of that signs of corruption?! He was just learning to follow his instincts and that the US Government isn't always right. These relate to "To be lawful or good" trope if anything.
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Zemo claims that anyone who takes the super-soldier serum will be corrupted, but concedes that Steve Rogers wasn't. This re-raises the question of was Steve ever corrupted by it? Even in ''Film/CaptainAmericaTheFirstAvenger'', he was willing to break the chain of command and go AWOL when he thought that he was the only one who could do what was necessary. In ''Film/TheAvenger2012'', right after telling Tony and Bruce to just trust Nick Fury and get back to work, he immediately breaks into a restricted section of the helicarrier to find out what Fury and SHIELD are up to. And, of course, in ''Film/CaptainAmericaTheWinterSoldier'', he crashes three more helicarriers into a government building and leaves government service entirely, essentially taking the Avengers with him, because he believes that his is the only leadership he can trust. So, was Cap truly "incorruptible"?
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Zemo claims that anyone who takes the super-soldier serum will be corrupted, but concedes that Steve Rogers wasn't. This re-raises the question of was Steve ever corrupted by it? Even in ''Film/CaptainAmericaTheFirstAvenger'', he was willing to break the chain of command and go AWOL when he thought that he was the only one who could do what was necessary. In ''Film/TheAvenger2012'', ''Film/TheAvengers2012'', right after telling Tony and Bruce to just trust Nick Fury and get back to work, he immediately breaks into a restricted section of the helicarrier to find out what Fury and SHIELD are up to. And, of course, in ''Film/CaptainAmericaTheWinterSoldier'', he crashes three more helicarriers into a government building and leaves government service entirely, essentially taking the Avengers with him, because he believes that his is the only leadership he can trust. So, was Cap truly "incorruptible"?
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I'll leave it commented out until we come to an agreement on discussion but I certainly think it is the case.
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* MoralEventHorizon: Karli crosses it when she calls Sarah Wilson and threatens the lives of her sons, though she insists she wouldn't have acted on it and she only did it to make Sam think she was serious. Deconstructed with killing Lemar, as it was an accident that she made in self-defense and is legitimately horrified by, even though she was going to kill Walker just for being Captain America.America.
%% ** Walker hints that he has done horrible things that still haunt him before the start of the series, but crosses the MoralEventHorizon for the show when he beats a defenseless, pleading Nico to death with the shield.
%% ** Walker hints that he has done horrible things that still haunt him before the start of the series, but crosses the MoralEventHorizon for the show when he beats a defenseless, pleading Nico to death with the shield.
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Misuse. I don't think that John Walker killing Nico like that constitutes as a Moral Event Horizon since those are, as laconic explains, a horrendously evil act that marks its perpetrator as irredeemably evil. This is not the case for John, while what he did will likely make him an Anti Hero, it doesn't make him outright irredeemably evil. While killing him was going too far it is understandable why he did it because regardless of whether or not they intended it, Karli murdered his best friend in front of him and Nico is an accomplice to the crime. It's also important to note that he was holding John for Karli to get the chance to kill him which made Lemar jump in to save him, which unfortunately led to his death. They made an attempt on his life that gotten someone else killed in the process, this is blood on their hands that makes John killing him more morally gray than outright evil to the point he's irredeemable.
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** Walker hints that he has done horrible things that still haunt him before the start of the series, but crosses the MoralEventHorizon for the show when he beats a defenseless, pleading Nico to death with the shield.
** Karli crosses it when she calls Sarah Wilson and threatens the lives of her sons, though she insists she wouldn't have acted on it and she only did it to make Sam think she was serious. Deconstructed with killing Lemar, as it was an accident that she made in self-defense and is legitimately horrified by, even though she was going to kill Walker just for being Captain America.
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**MoralEventHorizon: Karli crosses it when she calls Sarah Wilson and threatens the lives of her sons, though she insists she wouldn't have acted on it and she only did it to make Sam think she was serious. Deconstructed with killing Lemar, as it was an accident that she made in self-defense and is legitimately horrified by, even though she was going to kill Walker just for being Captain America.
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** Walker hints that he has done horrible things that still haunt him before the start of the series, but crosses the MoralEventHorizon for the show when he beats a defenseless, pleading Nico to death with the shield.
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* MoralEventHorizon: Karli crosses it when she calls Sarah Wilson and threatens the lives of her sons.
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** Karli crosses it when she calls Sarah Wilson and threatens the lives of her sons.
** Karli crosses it when she calls Sarah Wilson and threatens the lives of her sons.
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* MoralEventHorizon: Karli crosses it when she calls Sarah Wilson and threatens the lives of her sons.
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* MoralEventHorizon: Karli crosses it when she calls Sarah Wilson and threatens the lives of her sons.sons.
** Walker hints that he has done horrible things that still haunt him before the start of the series, but crosses the MoralEventHorizon for the show when he beats a defenseless, pleading Nico to death with the shield.
** Walker hints that he has done horrible things that still haunt him before the start of the series, but crosses the MoralEventHorizon for the show when he beats a defenseless, pleading Nico to death with the shield.
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* MoralEventHorizon: Karli crosses it when she calls Sarah Wilson and threatens the lives of her sons.
