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* AccidentalNightmareFuel: "The Dimension Of Kids Who Improved The World By Wishing They Were Never Born" was probably meant to be a joke, but the FridgeHorror it implies the existence of such a place and the fact that it looks like {{Hell}} makes it terrifying.
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Sue is Flame Bait. MEH must be intentional.
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** We’re supposed to see Jorgen in the right while he teaches Timmy that one should do good things only because it’s the right thing to do. However, Jorgen tried to [[MoralEventHorizon downright murder Timmy, a child, by banishing him to what’s basically hell]] as part of his test to Timmy. As a result, he comes off as a massive [[JerkSue jerk sue]].
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** We’re supposed to see Jorgen in the right while he teaches Timmy that one should do good things only because it’s the right thing to do. However, Jorgen tried to [[MoralEventHorizon downright murder Timmy, a child, by banishing him to what’s basically hell]] hell as part of his test to Timmy. As a result, he comes off as a massive [[JerkSue jerk sue]].Timmy.
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* MoralEventHorizon: While he was teaching Timmy a lesson about doing good deeds, Jorgen still crossed this when he attempts to kill Timmy by sending him to the place where kids who wished they were never born, which is equivalent to hell basically.
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* UnintentionallySympathetic: While Timmy is supposed to be in the wrong for expecting appreciation for his attempted good deeds, he was shown that the whole world is better off without him. Can you really blame him for getting upset and becoming an even bigger jerk in later episodes?
* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic:
** EVERYONE (except Timmy) is this. While they were all shown to be better off without Timmy, they all come off as ungrateful monsters who never liked Timmy one bit. This includes everyone that he’s close with.
** We’re supposed to see Jorgen in the right while he teaches Timmy that one should do good things only because it’s the right thing to do. However, Jorgen tried to [[MoralEventHorizon downright murder Timmy, a child, by banishing him to what’s basically hell]] as part of his test to Timmy. As a result, he comes off as a massive [[JerkSue jerk sue]].
* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic:
** EVERYONE (except Timmy) is this. While they were all shown to be better off without Timmy, they all come off as ungrateful monsters who never liked Timmy one bit. This includes everyone that he’s close with.
** We’re supposed to see Jorgen in the right while he teaches Timmy that one should do good things only because it’s the right thing to do. However, Jorgen tried to [[MoralEventHorizon downright murder Timmy, a child, by banishing him to what’s basically hell]] as part of his test to Timmy. As a result, he comes off as a massive [[JerkSue jerk sue]].
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Following this episode, Timmy takes a quite notable level in [[TookALevelInJerkass jerkassery]] and [[TookALevelInCynic cynicism]], which may stem from the events of this episode. He must have felt so hurt and humiliated, he started to become like this because he stopped caring about the consequences of his actions. After all, ''the world '''is''' better off without him''.
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: AlternativeCharacterInterpretation:
** Following this episode, Timmy takes a quite notable level in [[TookALevelInJerkass jerkassery]] and [[TookALevelInCynic cynicism]], which may stem from the events of this episode. He must have felt so hurt and humiliated, he started to become like this because he stopped caring about the consequences of his actions. After all, ''the world '''is''' better off withouthim''.him''.
** The ending doesn't make it clear whether the alternate timeline Jorgen showed Timmy was real or fake.
** Following this episode, Timmy takes a quite notable level in [[TookALevelInJerkass jerkassery]] and [[TookALevelInCynic cynicism]], which may stem from the events of this episode. He must have felt so hurt and humiliated, he started to become like this because he stopped caring about the consequences of his actions. After all, ''the world '''is''' better off without
** The ending doesn't make it clear whether the alternate timeline Jorgen showed Timmy was real or fake.
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Stress induced hair loss is a thing, and something Jorgen was insinuating with his line "Without you dragging AJ down", implying Timmy wasn't just keeping AJ from his full potential, but that the stress was what made him go bald.
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* AssPull: Apparently AJ being bald, Vicky being an evil babysitter and Francis being a bully are all somehow Timmy's fault. Vicky and Francis were already terrible people before meeting Timmy, and AJ being bald because of Timmy also makes zero sense.
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* AssPull: Apparently AJ being bald, Vicky being an evil babysitter and Francis being a bully are all somehow Timmy's fault. fault, despite Vicky and Francis were already being terrible people before meeting Timmy, and AJ being bald because of Timmy also makes zero sense.Timmy.
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* HarsherInHindsight: Creator/ButchHartman's apology for this episode's mean-spiritedness is rendered hollow when he went on to approve several episodes of the show that are equally (if not more) mean-spirited towards Timmy, such as "Open Wide and Say Aaagh!", "Vicky Gets Fired" and "Lights Out".
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* HarsherInHindsight: Creator/ButchHartman's apology for this episode's mean-spiritedness is rendered hollow when he went on to approve several episodes of the show that are equally (if not more) mean-spirited towards Timmy, such as "Open Wide and Say Aaagh!", Aaagh!"[[note]]TheDentistEpisode where Vicky attempts to give him a deadly "twerp-ectomy"[[/note]], "Vicky Gets Fired" Fired"[[note]]Where Timmy manages to [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin get Vicky fired]], only to somehow have it spiral out of control into [[MakesJustAsMuchSenseInContext her becoming a supreme galactic warlord]][[/note]] and "Lights Out".Out"[[note]]Where prolonged exposure to darkness caused by Timmy wishing it was dark for 12 hours turns Cosmo and Wanda into bloodthirsty monsters who try to eat their godkid[[/note]].
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* HarsherInHindsight: Creator/ButchHartman's apology for this episode's mean-spiritedness is rendered hollow when he went on to approve several episodes of the show that are equally (if not more) mean-spirited towards Timmy, such as "Open Wide and Say Aaagh!", "Vicky Gets Fired" and "Lights Out".
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Misuse, to quote another user, it’s for “ "for ignored characters with good potential who never receive the spotlight", not for complaining that a certain character was not used in a way fans would have liked.”
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: This episode completely ignored some of Timmy's friends, like Mark Chang, and his two love interests, Trixie Tang and Tootie. It would've been interesting to see how their lives would've fared without Timmy.
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* AssPull: Apparently AJ being bald, Vicky being an evil babysitter and Francis being a bully are all somehow Timmy's fault even though fault. Vicky and Francis were already terrible people before meeting Timmy Timmy, and AJ being bald because of Timmy also makes zero sensesense.
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: This episode completely ignored some of Timmy's friends, like Mark Chang, and his two love interests, Trixie Tang and Tootie. It would've been interesting to see how their lives would've fared without Timmy.Timmy.
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* DontShootTheMessage: "Don't always expect people to be grateful over your good deeds, no matter how hard you worked on them. At the end of the day, you should be more grateful to yourself that your hard work paid off." Even if the way the episode presents the aesop isn't the best, it's an actually good message.
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* DontShootTheMessage: "Don't always expect people to be grateful over your good deeds, no matter While the aesop about how hard you worked on them. At the end of the day, you should be more grateful to yourself that your hard work paid off." Even if do good deed for the way the episode presents the aesop sake of them and not for appreciation isn't necessarily a bad message, the best, it's an actually good message.fact that the lack of appreciation Timmy receives stems from pure pettiness and blowing stuff out of proportion sort of makes the aesop feel hollow.
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It's not exactly "brilliant" as much as it is a missed opportunity.
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* FridgeBrilliance: A notable person Timmy skipped while trying to find someone that lives miserably without him is '''[[StalkerWithACrush Tootie]]'''. Then why did Timmy skip her? Because since Timmy doesn't exist...
** ...Tootie's BigSisterBully, [[TeensAreMonsters Vicky]] would be a nicer person instead of a mean sister to her.
** ...Tootie would even not know a thing about Timmy, making it useless for him to look for her anyways.
** ...Tootie's BigSisterBully, [[TeensAreMonsters Vicky]] would be a nicer person instead of a mean sister to her.
** ...Tootie would even not know a thing about Timmy, making it useless for him to look for her anyways.
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* StrawmanHasAPoint: Timmy receives [[UngratefulBastard no appreciation for his good deeds]]. While he ''can'' be a jerk, he had every right to be upset with no one appreciating his work, especially since many of the complaints he got (particularly from AJ and Bickles) were completely petty.
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* StrawmanHasAPoint: Timmy receives [[UngratefulBastard no appreciation for his good deeds]]. While he ''can'' be a jerk, he had every right to be upset with no one appreciating his work, especially since many of the complaints he got (particularly from AJ and Bickles) were completely petty.petty.
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: This episode completely ignored some of Timmy's friends, like Mark Chang, and his two love interests, Trixie Tang and Tootie. It would've been interesting to see how their lives would've fared without Timmy.
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: This episode completely ignored some of Timmy's friends, like Mark Chang, and his two love interests, Trixie Tang and Tootie. It would've been interesting to see how their lives would've fared without Timmy.
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* AssPull: Apparently AJ being bald, Vicky being an evil babysitter and Francis being a bully are all somehow Timmy's fault even though Vicky and Francis were already terrible people before meeting Timmy and AJ being bald because of Timmy makes zero sense
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* DontShootTheMessage: "Don't always expect people to be grateful over your good deeds, no matter how hard you worked on them. At the end of the day, you should be more grateful to yourself that your hard work paid off." Even if the way the episode presents the aesop isn't the best, it's an actually good message.
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* SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped: "Don't always expect people to be grateful over your good deeds, no matter how hard you worked on them. At the end of the day, you should be more grateful to yourself that your hard work paid off." Even if the way the episode presents the aesop isn't the best, it's an actually good message.
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Following this episode, Timmy takes a quite notable level in [[TookALevelInJerkass jerkassery]] and [[TookALevelInCynic cynicism]]. Which may stem from the events of this episode. He must have felt so hurt and humiliated, he started to become like this because he stopped caring about the consequences of his actions. After all, ''the world '''is''' better off without him''.
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Following this episode, Timmy takes a quite notable level in [[TookALevelInJerkass jerkassery]] and [[TookALevelInCynic cynicism]]. Which cynicism]], which may stem from the events of this episode. He must have felt so hurt and humiliated, he started to become like this because he stopped caring about the consequences of his actions. After all, ''the world '''is''' better off without him''.
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* StrawmanHasAPoint: Timmy receives [[UngratefulBastard no appreciation for his good deeds]]. While he ''can'' be a jerk, he had every right to be upset with no one appreciating his work.
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* StrawmanHasAPoint: Timmy receives [[UngratefulBastard no appreciation for his good deeds]]. While he ''can'' be a jerk, he had every right to be upset with no one appreciating his work.work, especially since many of the complaints he got (particularly from AJ and Bickles) were completely petty.
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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: This episode is very infamous among the fandom for the unfortunate implications it has about not being born leading to a better world.
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Following this episode, Timmy takes a quite notable level in [[TookALevelInJerkass jerkassery]] and [[TookALevelInCynic cynism]]. Which may stem from the events of this episode. He must have felt so hurt and humiliated, he started to become like this because he stopped caring about the consequences of his actions. After all, ''the world '''is''' better off without him''.
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Following this episode, Timmy takes a quite notable level in [[TookALevelInJerkass jerkassery]] and [[TookALevelInCynic cynism]].cynicism]]. Which may stem from the events of this episode. He must have felt so hurt and humiliated, he started to become like this because he stopped caring about the consequences of his actions. After all, ''the world '''is''' better off without him''.
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You should just remove the wick and leave the rest of the entry unchanged.
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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: This episode is very infamous among the fandom for the unfortunate implications it has about not being born leading to a better world.
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* StrawmanHasAPoint: Timmy receives [[UngratefulBastard no appreciation for his good deeds]]. While he ''can'' be a jerk, he had every right to be upset with no one appreciating his work.
* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: It's easy to not laugh at Jorgen's usual violent sense of humor considering the premise of the episode.
* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: It's easy to not laugh at Jorgen's usual violent sense of humor considering the premise of the episode.
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* StrawmanHasAPoint: Timmy receives [[UngratefulBastard no appreciation for his good deeds]]. While he ''can'' be a jerk, he had every right to be upset with no one appreciating his work.
* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: It's easy to not laugh at Jorgen's usual violent sense of humor considering the premise of the episode.work.
* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: It's easy to not laugh at Jorgen's usual violent sense of humor considering the premise of the episode.
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* FanonDiscontinuity: ''Many'' fans prefer to think that this episode never existed. Some go as far as to not only refuse acknowledge this episode as a part of the canon, but the episodes that came after this one too.
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* FanonDiscontinuity: ''Many'' fans prefer to think that this episode never existed. Some go as far as to not only refuse to acknowledge this episode as a part of the canon, but the episodes that came after this one too.
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* FanonDiscontinuity: ''Many'' fans prefer to think that this episode never existed. Some go as far as to not only refuse acknowledge this episode as a part of the canon, but the episodes that came after this one too.
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Family-Unfriendly Aesop is now Hard Truth Aesop and the aesop in this episode isn't hard truth.
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* FamilyUnfriendlyAesop: The episode's aesop of "not expecting gratefulness over good deeds" isn't presented in a particularly friendly way. [[CreatorBacklash Even the creators agreed on this later on.]]
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* NeverLiveItDown: Due to the episode's premise, most of the fandom prefers to [[FanonDiscontinuity forget this episode even existed]].
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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: This episode is very infamous among the fandom for the UnfortunateImplications it has about not being born leading to a better world.
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* FridgeBrilliance: A notable person Timmy skipped on while trying to find someone that lives miserably without him is '''[[StalkerWithACrush Tootie]]'''. Then why did Timmy skip on her? Because since Timmy doesn't exist...
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* FridgeBrilliance: A notable person Timmy skipped on while trying to find someone that lives miserably without him is '''[[StalkerWithACrush Tootie]]'''. Then why did Timmy skip on her? Because since Timmy doesn't exist...
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Following this episode, Timmy takes a quite notable level [[TookALevelInJerkass in jerkass]] and [[TookALevelInCynic cynism]]. Which may stem from the events of this episode. He must have felt so hurt and humiliated, he started to become like this because he stopped caring about the consequences of his actions. After all, ''the world '''is''' better off without him''.
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Following this episode, Timmy takes a quite notable level in [[TookALevelInJerkass in jerkass]] jerkassery]] and [[TookALevelInCynic cynism]]. Which may stem from the events of this episode. He must have felt so hurt and humiliated, he started to become like this because he stopped caring about the consequences of his actions. After all, ''the world '''is''' better off without him''.
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** The implications that wishing not being born would have a positive effect in the world.
** How the episode's real aesop of "not expecting gratefulness over good deeds" is presented.
** The implications that wishing not being born would have a positive effect in the world.
** How the episode's real aesop of "not expecting gratefulness over good deeds" is presented.
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* FamilyUnfriendlyAesop:
**FamilyUnfriendlyAesop: The implications that wishing not being born would have a positive effect in the world.
** How theepisode's real aesop of "not expecting gratefulness over good deeds" isn't presented in a particularly friendly way. [[CreatorBacklash Even the creators agreed on this later on.]]
* FridgeBrilliance: A notable person Timmy skipped on while trying to find someone that lives miserably without him ispresented.'''[[StalkerWithACrush Tootie]]'''. Then why did Timmy skip on her? Because since Timmy doesn't exist...
** ...Tootie's BigSisterBully, [[TeensAreMonsters Vicky]] would be a nicer person instead of a mean sister to her.
** ...Tootie would even not know a thing about Timmy, making it useless for him to look for her anyways.
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** How the
* FridgeBrilliance: A notable person Timmy skipped on while trying to find someone that lives miserably without him is
** ...Tootie's BigSisterBully, [[TeensAreMonsters Vicky]] would be a nicer person instead of a mean sister to her.
** ...Tootie would even not know a thing about Timmy, making it useless for him to look for her anyways.
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* StrawmanHasAPoint: Timmy receives no appreciation for his good deeds. While he ''can'' be a jerk, he had every right to be upset with no one appreciating his work.
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* StrawmanHasAPoint: Timmy receives [[UngratefulBastard no appreciation for his good deeds. deeds]]. While he ''can'' be a jerk, he had every right to be upset with no one appreciating his work.work.
* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: It's easy to not laugh at Jorgen's usual violent sense of humor considering the premise of the episode.
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*AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Following this episode, Timmy takes a quite notable level [[TookALevelInJerkass in jerkass]] and [[TookALevelInCynic cynism]]. Which may stem from the events of this episode. He must have felt so hurt and humiliated, he started to become like this because he stopped caring about the consequences of his actions. After all, ''the world '''is''' better off without him''.
*DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: This episode is very infamous among the fandom for the UnfortunateImplications it has about not being born leading to a better world.
*FamilyUnfriendlyAesop:
**The implications that wishing not being born would have a positive effect in the world.
**How the episode's real aesop of "not expecting gratefulness over good deeds" is presented.
*HilariousInHindsight: One of the timeline differences listed by Jorgen is [[TakeThat the Chicago Cubs winning the World Series]]... something that became actually true in the 2016 World Series.
*NeverLiveItDown: Due to the episode's premise, most of the fandom prefers to [[FanonDiscontinuity forget this episode even existed]].
*SeasonalRot: A few people argue that the show started to get worse and worse from this episode onward.
*SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped: "Don't always expect people to be grateful over your good deeds, no matter how hard you worked on them. At the end of the day, you should be more grateful to yourself that your hard work paid off." Even if the way the episode presents the aesop isn't the best, it's an actually good message.
*StrawmanHasAPoint: Timmy receives no appreciation for his good deeds. While he ''can'' be a jerk, he had every right to be upset with no one appreciating his work.
*DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: This episode is very infamous among the fandom for the UnfortunateImplications it has about not being born leading to a better world.
*FamilyUnfriendlyAesop:
**The implications that wishing not being born would have a positive effect in the world.
**How the episode's real aesop of "not expecting gratefulness over good deeds" is presented.
*HilariousInHindsight: One of the timeline differences listed by Jorgen is [[TakeThat the Chicago Cubs winning the World Series]]... something that became actually true in the 2016 World Series.
*NeverLiveItDown: Due to the episode's premise, most of the fandom prefers to [[FanonDiscontinuity forget this episode even existed]].
*SeasonalRot: A few people argue that the show started to get worse and worse from this episode onward.
*SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped: "Don't always expect people to be grateful over your good deeds, no matter how hard you worked on them. At the end of the day, you should be more grateful to yourself that your hard work paid off." Even if the way the episode presents the aesop isn't the best, it's an actually good message.
*StrawmanHasAPoint: Timmy receives no appreciation for his good deeds. While he ''can'' be a jerk, he had every right to be upset with no one appreciating his work.
