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* ReplacementScrappy: Unsurprisingly, the teenaged Tony Stark. He already had an uphill battle during of the retcon that the Tony Stark fans grew up with was really a ManchurianAgent for Kang, so the idea of a teenaged version who was "uncorrupted" wasn't appealing. Not helping matters was the idea of Teen Tony's Hologram Armor, which was seen an idea in-universe way to justify why almost everyone drew his armor differently from appearance to appearance.
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* ReplacementScrappy: Unsurprisingly, the teenaged Tony Stark. He already had an uphill battle during of the retcon that the Tony Stark fans grew up with was really a ManchurianAgent for Kang, so the idea of a teenaged version who was "uncorrupted" wasn't appealing. Not helping matters was the idea of Teen Tony's Hologram Armor, which was seen an idea in-universe way to justify in-universe [[DependingOnTheArtist why almost everyone drew his armor differently from appearance to appearance.
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* ReplacementScrappy: Unsurprisingly, the teenaged Tony Stark. He already had an uphill battle during of the retcon that the Tony Stark fans grew up with was really a ManchurianAgent for Kang, so the idea of a teenaged version who was "uncorrupted" wasn't appealing. Not helping matters was the idea of Teen Tony's Hologram Armor, which was seen an idea in-universe way to justify why almost everyone drew his armor differently from appearance to appearance.
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* AudienceAlienatingPremise: Again, as noted above, retconning that Iron Man was a brainwashed pawn of Kang, killing him off, and replacing him with a teenaged version of himself. And as noted above, this was commended by fans of the character. It says something that months later, even though it ended up ill-regarded itself, ''ComicBook/HeroesReborn'' undid it by featuring the adult Tony and it carried over into ''ComicBook/HeroesReturn''.
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The sad thing is that the whole point of the saga was to finish a previous Dork Age, the one where the Avengers all used brown jackets and became more aggressive; The Crossing retconned Deathcry into a young Shi'Ar whose extreme warrior views were a facade to protect herself, Vision had recently recovered his feelings and tried to rekindle his relationship to Wanda, Kang's "sons" Tobias and Malachi were going to be Vision and Wanda's lost sons, the Wasp's transformation was a way to bring her back from retirement, etc. The problem was that the story and following issues left so many stuff LeftHanging and it wasn't solved due to Onslaught turning a new page. Not only did this do little to solve the problems it was supposed to fix, ''but created new, bigger problems'' that took ''four separate story lines and several years'' to finally fix.\\\
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The sad thing is that the whole point of the saga was to finish a previous Dork Age, Audience-Alienating Era, the one where the Avengers all used brown jackets and became more aggressive; The Crossing retconned Deathcry into a young Shi'Ar whose extreme warrior views were a facade to protect herself, Vision had recently recovered his feelings and tried to rekindle his relationship to Wanda, Kang's "sons" Tobias and Malachi were going to be Vision and Wanda's lost sons, the Wasp's transformation was a way to bring her back from retirement, etc. The problem was that the story and following issues left so many stuff LeftHanging and it wasn't solved due to Onslaught turning a new page. Not only did this do little to solve the problems it was supposed to fix, ''but created new, bigger problems'' that took ''four separate story lines and several years'' to finally fix.\\\
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* HilariousInHindsight: Hamilton doesn't get many lines in this film in his role as Washington's lieutenant, to the point where he comes off as TheQuietOne. Thanks to ''Theatre/{{Hamilton}}'', the irony is apparent to pretty much everybody, rather than just history buffs who already well knew Hamilton's habit of never keeping his opinions to himself.
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* HilariousInHindsight: Hamilton doesn't get many lines in this film in his role as Washington's lieutenant, to the point where he comes off as TheQuietOne. Thanks to ''Theatre/{{Hamilton}}'', the irony is apparent to pretty much everybody, rather than just history buffs who already well knew Hamilton's habit of never keeping his opinions to himself.himself.
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* [[spoiler:* The protagonists come across a man who has the eyes missing from his sockets. It is later explained to them that while he had been a prisoner they had been sucked out by a guard and left to dangle. When he was free he wandered as they dangled until they eventually dried like raisins and fell off.]]
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** HarsherInHindsight: The BadFuture that Rita came back from where the last two Avengers left are Hawkeye dies Black Widow became this once ''WesternAnimation/WhatIf2021'' came out with its eighth episode which had this exact same premise, complete with [[spoiler:Hawkeye dying]].
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** HarsherInHindsight: The BadFuture that Rita came back from where the last two Avengers left are Hawkeye dies Black Widow became this once ''WesternAnimation/WhatIf2021'' came out with its eighth episode which had this exact same premise, complete with [[spoiler:Hawkeye dying]].
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* DorkAge: Oh, boy... This story is infamous for "revealing" that Tony Stark was in the thrall of Kang since the Avengers first fought him and killing people, introducing Teen Tony, Mantis joining with Kang, and Wasp becoming a mutated wasp-like creature. Thankfully, ''ComicBook/{{Onslaught}}'' and ''ComicBook/HeroesReborn'' mercy-killed it and when ''Comicbook/HeroesReturn'' happened, adult Tony was resurrected and back on the side of good and Wasp was back to her old self. ''Comicbook/AvengersForever'' also helped to undo the damage by retconning that Tony was being manipulated by Immortus since only ''ComicBook/OperationGalacticStorm'' and the "Mantis" seen in ''Crossing'' and many of the people helping "Kang" were Space Phantoms.\\\
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* DorkAge: AudienceAlienatingEra: Oh, boy... This story is infamous for "revealing" that Tony Stark was in the thrall of Kang since the Avengers first fought him and killing people, introducing Teen Tony, Mantis joining with Kang, and Wasp becoming a mutated wasp-like creature. Thankfully, ''ComicBook/{{Onslaught}}'' and ''ComicBook/HeroesReborn'' mercy-killed it and when ''Comicbook/HeroesReturn'' happened, adult Tony was resurrected and back on the side of good and Wasp was back to her old self. ''Comicbook/AvengersForever'' also helped to undo the damage by retconning that Tony was being manipulated by Immortus since only ''ComicBook/OperationGalacticStorm'' and the "Mantis" seen in ''Crossing'' and many of the people helping "Kang" were Space Phantoms.\\\
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The sad thing is that the whole point of the saga was to finish a previous Dork Age, the one where the Avengers all used brown jackets and became more aggressive; The Crossing retconned Deathcry into a young Shi'Ar whose extreme warrior views were a facade to protect herself, Vision had recently recovered his feelings and tried to rekindle his relationship to Wanda, Kang's "sons" Tobias and Malachi were going to be Vision and Wanda's lost sons, the Wasp's transformation was a way to take her back from retirement, etc. The problem was that the story and following issues left so many stuff LeftHanging and it wasn't solved due to Onslaught turning a new page. Not only did this did little to solve the problems it was supposed to fix, ''but created new, bigger problems'' that took ''four separate story lines and several years'' to finally fix.\\\
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The sad thing is that the whole point of the saga was to finish a previous Dork Age, the one where the Avengers all used brown jackets and became more aggressive; The Crossing retconned Deathcry into a young Shi'Ar whose extreme warrior views were a facade to protect herself, Vision had recently recovered his feelings and tried to rekindle his relationship to Wanda, Kang's "sons" Tobias and Malachi were going to be Vision and Wanda's lost sons, the Wasp's transformation was a way to take bring her back from retirement, etc. The problem was that the story and following issues left so many stuff LeftHanging and it wasn't solved due to Onslaught turning a new page. Not only did this did do little to solve the problems it was supposed to fix, ''but created new, bigger problems'' that took ''four separate story lines and several years'' to finally fix.\\\
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* DorkAge: Oh, boy... This story is infamous for "revealing" that Tony Stark was in the thrall of Kang since the Avengers first fought him and killing people, introducing Teen Tony, Mantis joining with Kang, and Wasp becoming a mutated wasp-like creature. Thankfully, ''ComicBook/{{Onslaught}}'' and ''ComicBook/HeroesReborn'' mercy-killed it and when ''Comicbook/HeroesReturn'' happened, adult Tony was resurrected and back on the side of good and Wasp was back to her old self. ''Comicbook/AvengersForever'' also helped to undo the damage by retconning that Tony was being manipulated by Immortus since only ''ComicBook/OperationGalacticStorm'' and the "Mantis" seen in ''Crossing'' and many of the people helping "Kang" were Space Phantoms.
** The sad thing is that the whole point of the saga was to finish a previous Dork Age, the one where the Avengers all used brown jackets and became more agressive; The Crossing retconned Deathcry into a young Shi'Ar whose extreme warrior views were a facade to protect herself, Vision had recently recovered his feelings and tried to rekindle his relationship to Wanda, Kang's "sons" Tobias and Malachi were going to be Vision and Wanda's lost sons, the Wasp's transformation was a way to take her back from retirement, etc. The problem was that the story and following issues left so many stuff LeftHanging and it wasn't solved due to Onslaught turning a new page. Not only did this did little to solve the problems it was supposed to fix, ''but created new, bigger problems'' that took ''four separate story lines and several years'' to finally fix.
** The whole thing was especially irritating for ''ComicBook/IronMan'' fans, following a solid run by Len Kaminski that had set Tony up to be an active do-gooder both as Iron Man and as head of Stark Enterprises. Then Terry Kavanagh comes in and scrap all that for an ill-received FaceHeelTurn. And bear in mind, Kavanagh was also the guy who pitched ''ComicBook/TheCloneSaga''. Kaminski has since [[https://www.cbr.com/iron-man-teen-tony-stark-quit/ revealed this story is exactly why he left]] as [[ExecutiveMeddling it was insisted upon by editorial mandate]] and he refused to be part of a story that'd ruin Iron Man.
** The sad thing is that the whole point of the saga was to finish a previous Dork Age, the one where the Avengers all used brown jackets and became more agressive; The Crossing retconned Deathcry into a young Shi'Ar whose extreme warrior views were a facade to protect herself, Vision had recently recovered his feelings and tried to rekindle his relationship to Wanda, Kang's "sons" Tobias and Malachi were going to be Vision and Wanda's lost sons, the Wasp's transformation was a way to take her back from retirement, etc. The problem was that the story and following issues left so many stuff LeftHanging and it wasn't solved due to Onslaught turning a new page. Not only did this did little to solve the problems it was supposed to fix, ''but created new, bigger problems'' that took ''four separate story lines and several years'' to finally fix.
** The whole thing was especially irritating for ''ComicBook/IronMan'' fans, following a solid run by Len Kaminski that had set Tony up to be an active do-gooder both as Iron Man and as head of Stark Enterprises. Then Terry Kavanagh comes in and scrap all that for an ill-received FaceHeelTurn. And bear in mind, Kavanagh was also the guy who pitched ''ComicBook/TheCloneSaga''. Kaminski has since [[https://www.cbr.com/iron-man-teen-tony-stark-quit/ revealed this story is exactly why he left]] as [[ExecutiveMeddling it was insisted upon by editorial mandate]] and he refused to be part of a story that'd ruin Iron Man.
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* DorkAge: Oh, boy... This story is infamous for "revealing" that Tony Stark was in the thrall of Kang since the Avengers first fought him and killing people, introducing Teen Tony, Mantis joining with Kang, and Wasp becoming a mutated wasp-like creature. Thankfully, ''ComicBook/{{Onslaught}}'' and ''ComicBook/HeroesReborn'' mercy-killed it and when ''Comicbook/HeroesReturn'' happened, adult Tony was resurrected and back on the side of good and Wasp was back to her old self. ''Comicbook/AvengersForever'' also helped to undo the damage by retconning that Tony was being manipulated by Immortus since only ''ComicBook/OperationGalacticStorm'' and the "Mantis" seen in ''Crossing'' and many of the people helping "Kang" were Space Phantoms.
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The sad thing is that the whole point of the saga was to finish a previous Dork Age, the one where the Avengers all used brown jackets and became moreagressive; aggressive; The Crossing retconned Deathcry into a young Shi'Ar whose extreme warrior views were a facade to protect herself, Vision had recently recovered his feelings and tried to rekindle his relationship to Wanda, Kang's "sons" Tobias and Malachi were going to be Vision and Wanda's lost sons, the Wasp's transformation was a way to take her back from retirement, etc. The problem was that the story and following issues left so many stuff LeftHanging and it wasn't solved due to Onslaught turning a new page. Not only did this did little to solve the problems it was supposed to fix, ''but created new, bigger problems'' that took ''four separate story lines and several years'' to finally fix.
**fix.\\\
The whole thing was especially irritating for ''ComicBook/IronMan'' fans, following a solid run by Len Kaminski that had set Tony up to be an active do-gooder both as Iron Man and as head of Stark Enterprises. Then Terry Kavanagh comes in and scrap all that for an ill-received FaceHeelTurn. And bear in mind, Kavanagh was also the guy who pitched ''ComicBook/TheCloneSaga''. Kaminski has since [[https://www.cbr.com/iron-man-teen-tony-stark-quit/ revealed this story is exactly why he left]] as [[ExecutiveMeddling it was insisted upon by editorial mandate]] and he refused to be part of a story that'd ruin IronMan.
Man, so chose to bolt rather than be MisBlamed for it.
* MisBlamed: A case where this trope played a role in a writer's departure. As noted above, after realizing the Editors were going to go through with this story despite his protests, Len Kaminski chose to bolt from ''Iron Man'' rather than have this very thing befall him.
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The whole thing was especially irritating for ''ComicBook/IronMan'' fans, following a solid run by Len Kaminski that had set Tony up to be an active do-gooder both as Iron Man and as head of Stark Enterprises. Then Terry Kavanagh comes in and scrap all that for an ill-received FaceHeelTurn. And bear in mind, Kavanagh was also the guy who pitched ''ComicBook/TheCloneSaga''. Kaminski has since [[https://www.cbr.com/iron-man-teen-tony-stark-quit/ revealed this story is exactly why he left]] as [[ExecutiveMeddling it was insisted upon by editorial mandate]] and he refused to be part of a story that'd ruin Iron
* MisBlamed: A case where this trope played a role in a writer's departure. As noted above, after realizing the Editors were going to go through with this story despite his protests, Len Kaminski chose to bolt from ''Iron Man'' rather than have this very thing befall him.
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* HilariousInHindsight: Hamilton doesn't get many lines in this film in his role as Washington's lieutenant, to the point where he comes off as TheQuietOne. Thanks to ''Theatre/{{Hamilton}}'', the irony is apparent to pretty much everybody, rather than just history buffs who already well knew Hamilton's habit of never keeping his opinions to himself.
* HilariousInHindsight: Hamilton doesn't get many lines in this film in his role as Washington's lieutenant, to the point where he comes off as TheQuietOne. Thanks to ''Theatre/{{Hamilton}}'', the irony is apparent to pretty much everybody, rather than just history buffs who already well knew Hamilton's habit of never keeping his opinions to himself.
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** The whole thing was especially irritating for ''ComicBook/IronMan'' fans, following a solid run by Len Kaminski that had set Tony up to be an active do-gooder both as Iron Man and as head of Stark Enterprises. Then Terry Kavanagh comes in and scrap all that for an ill-received FaceHeelTurn. And bear in mind, Kavanagh was also the guy who pitched ''ComicBook/TheCloneSaga''.
''ComicBook/TheCloneSaga''. Kaminski has since [[https://www.cbr.com/iron-man-teen-tony-stark-quit/ revealed this story is exactly why he left]] as [[ExecutiveMeddling it was insisted upon by editorial mandate]] and he refused to be part of a story that'd ruin Iron Man.
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* DorkAge: Oh, boy... This story is infamous for "revealing" that Tony Stark was in the thrall of Kang since the Avengers first fought him and killing people, introducing Teen Tony, Mantis joining with Kang, and Wasp becoming a mutated wasp-like creature. Thankfully, ''ComicBook/{{Onslaught}}'' and ''ComicBook/HeroesReborn'' mercy-killed it and when ''Comicbook/HeroesReturn'' happened, adult Tony was resurrected and back on the side of good and Wasp was back to her old self. ''Comicbook/AvengersForever'' also helped to undo the damage by retconning that Tony was being manipulated by Immortus since only ''Operation: Galactic Storm'' and the "Mantis" seen in ''Crossing'' and many of the people helping "Kang" were Space Phantoms.
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* DorkAge: Oh, boy... This story is infamous for "revealing" that Tony Stark was in the thrall of Kang since the Avengers first fought him and killing people, introducing Teen Tony, Mantis joining with Kang, and Wasp becoming a mutated wasp-like creature. Thankfully, ''ComicBook/{{Onslaught}}'' and ''ComicBook/HeroesReborn'' mercy-killed it and when ''Comicbook/HeroesReturn'' happened, adult Tony was resurrected and back on the side of good and Wasp was back to her old self. ''Comicbook/AvengersForever'' also helped to undo the damage by retconning that Tony was being manipulated by Immortus since only ''Operation: Galactic Storm'' ''ComicBook/OperationGalacticStorm'' and the "Mantis" seen in ''Crossing'' and many of the people helping "Kang" were Space Phantoms.
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** The sad thing is that the whole point of the saga was to finish a previous Dork Age, the one where the Avengers all used brown jackets and became more agressive; The Crossing retconned Deathcry into a young Shi'Ar whose extreme warrior views were a facade to protect herself, Vision had recently recovered his feelings and tried to rekindle his relationship to Wanda, Kang's "sons" Tobias and Malachi were going to be Vision and Wanda's lost sons, the Wasp's transformation was a way to take her back from retirement, etc. The problem was that the story and following issues left so many stuff LeftHanging and it wasn't solved due to Onslaught turning a new page.
** The whole thing was especially irritating for ''ComicBook/IronMan'' fans, following a solid run by Len Kaminski that had set Tony up to be an active do-gooder both as Iron Man and as head of Stark Enterprises. And then Terry Kavanagh comes in and scrap all that for an ill-received FaceHeelTurn. And bear in mind, Kavanagh was also the guy who pitched ''ComicBook/TheCloneSaga''.
** The whole thing was especially irritating for ''ComicBook/IronMan'' fans, following a solid run by Len Kaminski that had set Tony up to be an active do-gooder both as Iron Man and as head of Stark Enterprises. And then Terry Kavanagh comes in and scrap all that for an ill-received FaceHeelTurn. And bear in mind, Kavanagh was also the guy who pitched ''ComicBook/TheCloneSaga''.
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** The sad thing is that the whole point of the saga was to finish a previous Dork Age, the one where the Avengers all used brown jackets and became more agressive; The Crossing retconned Deathcry into a young Shi'Ar whose extreme warrior views were a facade to protect herself, Vision had recently recovered his feelings and tried to rekindle his relationship to Wanda, Kang's "sons" Tobias and Malachi were going to be Vision and Wanda's lost sons, the Wasp's transformation was a way to take her back from retirement, etc. The problem was that the story and following issues left so many stuff LeftHanging and it wasn't solved due to Onslaught turning a new page.
page. Not only did this did little to solve the problems it was supposed to fix, ''but created new, bigger problems'' that took ''four separate story lines and several years'' to finally fix.
** The whole thing was especially irritating for ''ComicBook/IronMan'' fans, following a solid run by Len Kaminski that had set Tony up to be an active do-gooder both as Iron Man and as head of Stark Enterprises.And then Then Terry Kavanagh comes in and scrap all that for an ill-received FaceHeelTurn. And bear in mind, Kavanagh was also the guy who pitched ''ComicBook/TheCloneSaga''.
** The whole thing was especially irritating for ''ComicBook/IronMan'' fans, following a solid run by Len Kaminski that had set Tony up to be an active do-gooder both as Iron Man and as head of Stark Enterprises.
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* DorkAge: Oh, boy... This story is infamous for "revealing" that Tony Stark was in the thrall of Kang since day one and killing people, introducing Teen Tony, Mantis joining with Kang, and Wasp becoming a mutated wasp-like creature. Thankfully, ''ComicBook/{{Onslaught}}'' and ''ComicBook/HeroesReborn'' mercy-killed it and when ''Comicbook/HeroesReturn'' happened, adult Tony was resurrected and back on the side of good and Wasp was back to her old self. ''Comicbook/AvengersForever'' also helped to undo the damage by retconning that Tony was being manipulated by Immortus for only months and the "Mantis" seen in ''Crossing'' and many of the people helping "Kang" were Space Phantoms.
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* DorkAge: Oh, boy... This story is infamous for "revealing" that Tony Stark was in the thrall of Kang since day one the Avengers first fought him and killing people, introducing Teen Tony, Mantis joining with Kang, and Wasp becoming a mutated wasp-like creature. Thankfully, ''ComicBook/{{Onslaught}}'' and ''ComicBook/HeroesReborn'' mercy-killed it and when ''Comicbook/HeroesReturn'' happened, adult Tony was resurrected and back on the side of good and Wasp was back to her old self. ''Comicbook/AvengersForever'' also helped to undo the damage by retconning that Tony was being manipulated by Immortus for since only months ''Operation: Galactic Storm'' and the "Mantis" seen in ''Crossing'' and many of the people helping "Kang" were Space Phantoms.
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* DorkAge: Oh, boy... This story is infamous for "revealing" that Tony Stark was in the thrall of Kang since day one and killing people, introducing Teen Tony, Mantis joining with Kang, and Wasp becoming a mutated wasp-like creature. Thankfully, ''{{Onslaught}}'' and ''ComicBook/HeroesReborn'' mercy-killed it and when ''Comicbook/HeroesReturn'' happened, adult Tony was resurrected and back on the side of good and Wasp was back to her old self. ''Comicbook/AvengersForever'' also helped to undo the damage by retconning that Tony was being manipulated by Immortus for only months and the "Mantis" seen in ''Crossing'' and many of the people helping "Kang" were Space Phantoms.
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* DorkAge: Oh, boy... This story is infamous for "revealing" that Tony Stark was in the thrall of Kang since day one and killing people, introducing Teen Tony, Mantis joining with Kang, and Wasp becoming a mutated wasp-like creature. Thankfully, ''{{Onslaught}}'' ''ComicBook/{{Onslaught}}'' and ''ComicBook/HeroesReborn'' mercy-killed it and when ''Comicbook/HeroesReturn'' happened, adult Tony was resurrected and back on the side of good and Wasp was back to her old self. ''Comicbook/AvengersForever'' also helped to undo the damage by retconning that Tony was being manipulated by Immortus for only months and the "Mantis" seen in ''Crossing'' and many of the people helping "Kang" were Space Phantoms.
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* DorkAge: Oh, boy... This story is infamous for "revealing" that Tony Stark was in the thrall of Kang since day one and killing people, introducing Teen Tony, Mantis joining with Kang, and Wasp becoming a mutated wasp-like creature. Thankfully, ''{{Onslaught}}'' and ''ComicBook/HeroesReborn'' mercy-killed it and when ''Comicbook/HeroesReturn'' happened, adult Tony was resurrected and back on the side of good and Wasp was back to her old self. ''Comicbook/AvengersForever'' also helped to undo the damage by retconning that Tony was under Immortus' control for only months and the "Mantis" seen in ''Crossing'' and many of the people helping "Kang" were Space Phantoms.
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* DorkAge: Oh, boy... This story is infamous for "revealing" that Tony Stark was in the thrall of Kang since day one and killing people, introducing Teen Tony, Mantis joining with Kang, and Wasp becoming a mutated wasp-like creature. Thankfully, ''{{Onslaught}}'' and ''ComicBook/HeroesReborn'' mercy-killed it and when ''Comicbook/HeroesReturn'' happened, adult Tony was resurrected and back on the side of good and Wasp was back to her old self. ''Comicbook/AvengersForever'' also helped to undo the damage by retconning that Tony was under Immortus' control being manipulated by Immortus for only months and the "Mantis" seen in ''Crossing'' and many of the people helping "Kang" were Space Phantoms.
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* DorkAge: Oh, boy... This story is infamous for "revealing" that Tony Stark was in the thrall of Kang since day one and killing people, introducing Teen Tony, Mantis joining with Kang, and Wasp becoming a mutated wasp-like creature. Thankfully, ''{{Onslaught}}'' and ''HeroesReborn'' ''ComicBook/HeroesReborn'' mercy-killed it and when ''Comicbook/HeroesReturn'' happened, adult Tony was resurrected and back on the side of good and Wasp was back to her old self. ''Comicbook/AvengersForever'' also helped to undo the damage by retconning that Tony was under Immortus' control for only months and the "Mantis" seen in ''Crossing'' and many of the people helping "Kang" were Space Phantoms.
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* DorkAge: Oh, boy... This story is infamous for "revealing" that Tony Stark was in the thrall of Kang since day one and killing people, introducing Teen Tony, Mantis joining with Kang, and Wasp becoming a mutated wasp-like creature. Thankfully, ''{{Onslaught}}'' and ''HeroesReborn'' mercy-killed it and when ''Comicbook/HeroesReturn'' happened, adult Tony was resurrected and back on the side of good and Wasp was back to her old self. ''Comicbook/AvengersForever'' also helped to undo the damage by retconning that Tony was under Immortus' control for only months and the "Mantis" seen in ''Crossing'' and many of the people Tony "killed" were Space Phantoms.
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* DorkAge: Oh, boy... This story is infamous for "revealing" that Tony Stark was in the thrall of Kang since day one and killing people, introducing Teen Tony, Mantis joining with Kang, and Wasp becoming a mutated wasp-like creature. Thankfully, ''{{Onslaught}}'' and ''HeroesReborn'' mercy-killed it and when ''Comicbook/HeroesReturn'' happened, adult Tony was resurrected and back on the side of good and Wasp was back to her old self. ''Comicbook/AvengersForever'' also helped to undo the damage by retconning that Tony was under Immortus' control for only months and the "Mantis" seen in ''Crossing'' and many of the people Tony "killed" helping "Kang" were Space Phantoms.Phantoms.
** The sad thing is that the whole point of the saga was to finish a previous Dork Age, the one where the Avengers all used brown jackets and became more agressive; The Crossing retconned Deathcry into a young Shi'Ar whose extreme warrior views were a facade to protect herself, Vision had recently recovered his feelings and tried to rekindle his relationship to Wanda, Kang's "sons" Tobias and Malachi were going to be Vision and Wanda's lost sons, the Wasp's transformation was a way to take her back from retirement, etc. The problem was that the story and following issues left so many stuff LeftHanging and it wasn't solved due to Onslaught turning a new page.
** The sad thing is that the whole point of the saga was to finish a previous Dork Age, the one where the Avengers all used brown jackets and became more agressive; The Crossing retconned Deathcry into a young Shi'Ar whose extreme warrior views were a facade to protect herself, Vision had recently recovered his feelings and tried to rekindle his relationship to Wanda, Kang's "sons" Tobias and Malachi were going to be Vision and Wanda's lost sons, the Wasp's transformation was a way to take her back from retirement, etc. The problem was that the story and following issues left so many stuff LeftHanging and it wasn't solved due to Onslaught turning a new page.
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* VillainSue: While most villains on the saga had advantages and disadvantages, Neut was portrayed as totally invincible.
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* DorkAge: Oh, boy... This story is infamous for "revealing" that Tony Stark was in the thrall of Kang since day one and killing people, introducing Teen Tony, Mantis joining with Kang, and Wasp becoming a mutated wasp-like creature. Thankfully, {{Onslaught}} ''{{Onslaught}}'' and HeroesReborn ''HeroesReborn'' mercy-killed it and when ''Comicbook/HeroesReturn'' happened, adult Tony was resurrected and back on the side of good and Wasp was back to her old self. ''Comicbook/AvengersForever'' also helped to undo the damage by retconning that Tony was under Immortus' control for only months and the "Mantis" seen in ''Crossing'' was a and many of the people Tony "killed" were Space Phantom.
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DorkAge: Oh, boy... This story is infamous for "revealing" that Tony Stark was in the thrall of Kang since day one and killing people, introducing Teen Tony, Mantis joining with Kang, and Wasp becoming a mutated wasp-like creature. Thankfully, {{Onslaught}} and HeroesReborn mercy-killed it and when ''Comicbook/HeroesReturn'' happened, adult Tony was resurrected and back on the side of good and Wasp was back to her old self. ''Comicbook/AvengersForever'' also helped to undo the damage by retconning that Tony was under Immortus' control for only months and the "Mantis" seen in ''Crossing'' was a Space Phantom.
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