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** Luna Nozawa was highly praised as a character for acting as an extension for Li's family and essentially bringing a new family into the fold, especially since the only main families left are now the Forresters, Logans, and Spencers.
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** Thomas Forrester seems to suffer the most amount of gratuitous misfortune and is constantly painted as the villain despite seemingly trying to redeem himself.
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** Thomas Forrester seems to suffer the most amount of gratuitous misfortune and is constantly painted as the villain despite seemingly trying to redeem himself. It doesn't help that both Brooke and Liam are ''always'' suspicious of him and end up being proven right 100% of the time.
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** The show tends to ignore Flo's first actions on the show, (kidnapping Hope's daughter and selling her to Steffy) in order to make her appear as the victim in any situation dealing with Sally. Came to a ridiculous front when ''Series/TheYoungAndTheRestless'''s [[TheScrappy Summer Newman]], a SpoiledBrat AlphaBitch whose blackmailed her own parents, sexual harassed two men and bullied a kid to the point of him standing on a ledge of a skyscraper with every intention to jump, came to L.A. looking for dirt on ending her new [[TheRival Rival]] Sally, which Flo was more than happy to supply. As of August 2023, Liam has outright stated that ''Thomas'' stole Beth without making any mention of Flo whatsoever, which seems to also be a {{Retcon}} to justify Liam's unwillingness to forgive him or Hope.
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** The show tends to ignore Flo's first actions on the show, (kidnapping Hope's daughter and selling her to Steffy) in order to make her appear as the victim in any situation dealing with Sally. Came to a ridiculous front when ''Series/TheYoungAndTheRestless'''s [[TheScrappy Summer Newman]], a SpoiledBrat AlphaBitch whose blackmailed her own parents, sexual harassed two men and bullied a kid to the point of him standing on a ledge of a skyscraper with every intention to jump, came to L.A. looking for dirt on ending her new [[TheRival Rival]] Sally, which Flo was more than happy to supply. As of August 2023, Liam has outright stated that ''Thomas'' stole Thomas ''stole'' Beth (not just kept it a secret) without making any mention of Flo whatsoever, which seems to also be a {{Retcon}} to justify Liam's unwillingness to forgive him or Hope.
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** After decades of her treating Brooke as inferior and horrible for the things she herself has done, watching [[BreakTheHaughty Taylor]] literally grovel on her hands and knees to Brooke [[spoiler: after Brooke learned that she was the one who tried to murder Bill]]â€â€something Brooke never would doâ€â€to keep her secret is very satisfying.
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** After decades of her treating Brooke as inferior and horrible for the things she herself has done, watching [[BreakTheHaughty Taylor]] literally grovel on her hands and knees to Brooke [[spoiler: after Brooke learned that she was the one who tried to murder Bill]]â€â€something Bill]]-something Brooke never would doâ€â€to do-to keep her secret is very satisfying.
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*** The minute Finn started softening towards Sheila and openly defended her against Steffy, many of Steffy's fans immediately started denouncing Sinn as a pairing feeling that Finn was betraying the woman he swore to love and protect. The fact that this was an entire year after when Steffy and him were shot by Sheila, and he was held hostage, didn't help. Likewise, Steffy willingly keeping the fact that Liam went behind Finn's back to attempt cuckoldry caused Finn’s fans to stray from the ship, especially since she has repeatedly been allowing Liam to come to her house despite that and Finn warning her to stop letting her come, then acting like she owes no explanation to him despite the fact that Liam's clearly trying to sabotage their relationship and has refused to respect Steffy's boundaries. The fact that Finn took responsibility for his actions, but Steffy kept allowing Liam to disparage her husband and make advances at her while she kept denying Liam was a problem has hurt her case and has put more blame on her for the abandonment. Despite the divide between who was responsible for the abandonment of the ship, both sides of the ship agree that [[DerailingLoveInterests Finn's forgiveness and Steffy's stupidity was deliberate to give Liam the spotlight]].
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*** The minute Finn started softening towards Sheila and openly defended her against Steffy, many of Steffy's fans immediately started denouncing Sinn as a pairing feeling that Finn was betraying the woman he swore to love and protect. The fact that this was an entire year after when Steffy and him were shot by Sheila, and he was held hostage, didn't help. Likewise, Steffy willingly keeping the fact that Liam went behind Finn's back to attempt cuckoldry caused Finn’s Finn's fans to stray from the ship, especially since she has repeatedly been allowing Liam to come to her house despite that and Finn warning her to stop letting her come, then acting like she owes no explanation to him despite the fact that Liam's clearly trying to sabotage their relationship and has refused to respect Steffy's boundaries. The fact that Finn took responsibility for his actions, but Steffy kept allowing Liam to disparage her husband and make advances at her while she kept denying Liam was a problem has hurt her case and has put more blame on her for the abandonment. Despite the divide between who was responsible for the abandonment of the ship, both sides of the ship agree that [[DerailingLoveInterests Finn's forgiveness and Steffy's stupidity was deliberate to give Liam the spotlight]].
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** In situations where Steffy puts Finn through grief, whether it be dark secrets of her family’s or even adultery, he is rather tame with the way he reacts to it and doesn’t display much anger over it. Some have even gone as far as to say he’s ''too'' understanding about it.
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** In situations where Steffy puts Finn through grief, whether it be dark secrets of her family’s family's or even adultery, he is rather tame with the way he reacts to it and doesn’t doesn't display much anger over it. Some have even gone as far as to say he’s he's ''too'' understanding about it.
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** After decades of her treating Brooke as inferior and horrible for the things she herself has done, watching [[BreakTheHaughty Taylor]] literally grovel on her hands and knees to Brooke [[spoiler: after Brooke learned that she was the one who tried to murder Bill]]—something Bill]]â€â€something Brooke never would do—to doâ€â€to keep her secret is very satisfying.
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** The more hardcore of Steffy and Taylor’s detractors were very pleased to see Sheila and Bill blackmail Steffy over Taylor’s shooting of Bill, who’ve wanted to see the secret revealed for a while and for both to pay for their actions.
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** The more hardcore of Steffy and Taylor’s Taylor's detractors were very pleased to see Sheila and Bill blackmail Steffy over Taylor’s Taylor's shooting of Bill, who’ve who've wanted to see the secret revealed for a while and for both to pay for their actions.
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*** Her actions gets worse when it's revealed that she's been keeping him hostage and leaving everyone to think he's dead after it’s it's revealed that his adoptive mother, Li, had saved him. Sheila is instead trying to appear as a savior to Finn despite that [[{{Hypocrite}} she was the one who put him in this position in the first place]].
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** Sheila became this after her return to the show in 2021. The audience was initially mixed on her return after TheReveal that she was Finn's biological mother, but after Finn's hostage arc concluded, many suspected the writers relying on IdiotBall to keep her in the loop and frequently chastise the fact that they rely on Sheila for short-term ratings boost at the expense of the story’s quality, with her blackmail arc involving Bill being the most infamous example.
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** Sheila became this after her return to the show in 2021. The audience was initially mixed on her return after TheReveal that she was Finn's biological mother, but after Finn's hostage arc concluded, many suspected the writers relying on IdiotBall to keep her in the loop and frequently chastise the fact that they rely on Sheila for short-term ratings boost at the expense of the story’s story's quality, with her blackmail arc involving Bill being the most infamous example.
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** Liam Spencer is this in spades, and some even go as far as to see him as a VillainProtagonist. Almost any time that he's cheated on, physically hurt or beleaguered, very few viewers will feel sorry for him and will often call out how verbally and emotionally abusive he was prior to it and point out how he brought most problems on himself to begin with. Given he himself is infamous for relying on SeductionAsOneUpmanship and is typically a {{Jerkass}} who [[NeverMyFault never takes responsibility for his own actions]], viewers tend to side against him in any situation he’s involved in.
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** Liam Spencer is this in spades, and some even go as far as to see him as a VillainProtagonist. Almost any time that he's cheated on, physically hurt or beleaguered, very few viewers will feel sorry for him and will often call out how verbally and emotionally abusive he was prior to it and point out how he brought most problems on himself to begin with. Given he himself is infamous for relying on SeductionAsOneUpmanship and is typically a {{Jerkass}} who [[NeverMyFault never takes responsibility for his own actions]], viewers tend to side against him in any situation he’s he's involved in.
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*** The minute Finn started softening towards Sheila and openly defended her against Steffy, many of Steffy's fans immediately started denouncing Sinn as a pairing feeling that Finn was betraying the woman he swore to love and protect. The fact that this was an entire year after when Steffy and him were shot by Sheila, and he was held hostage, didn't help. Likewise, Steffy willingly keeping the fact that Liam went behind Finn's back to attempt cuckoldry caused Finn’s fans to stray from the ship, especially since she has repeatedly been allowing Liam to come to her house despite that and Finn warning her to stop letting her come, then acting like she owes no explanation to him despite the fact that Liam's clearly trying to sabotage their relationship and has refused to respect Steffy's boundaries. The fact that Finn took responsibility for his actions, but Steffy kept allowing Liam to disparage her husband and make advances at her while she kept denying Liam was a problem has hurt her case and has put more blame on her for the abandonment. Despite the divide between who was responsible for the abandonment of the ship, both sides of the ship agree that [[DerailingLoveInterests Finn's forgiveness and Steffy's stupidity was deliberate to give Liam the spotlight]].
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*** The minute Finn started softening towards Sheila and openly defended her against Steffy, many of Steffy's fans immediately started denouncing Sinn as a pairing feeling that Finn was betraying the woman he swore to love and protect. The fact that this was an entire year after when Steffy and him were shot by Sheila, and he was held hostage, didn't help. Likewise, Steffy willingly keeping the fact that Liam went behind Finn's back to attempt cuckoldry caused Finn’s Finn’s fans to stray from the ship, especially since she has repeatedly been allowing Liam to come to her house despite that and Finn warning her to stop letting her come, then acting like she owes no explanation to him despite the fact that Liam's clearly trying to sabotage their relationship and has refused to respect Steffy's boundaries. The fact that Finn took responsibility for his actions, but Steffy kept allowing Liam to disparage her husband and make advances at her while she kept denying Liam was a problem has hurt her case and has put more blame on her for the abandonment. Despite the divide between who was responsible for the abandonment of the ship, both sides of the ship agree that [[DerailingLoveInterests Finn's forgiveness and Steffy's stupidity was deliberate to give Liam the spotlight]].
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** In situations where Steffy puts Finn through grief, whether it be dark secrets of her family’s family’s or even adultery, he is rather tame with the way he reacts to it and doesn’t doesn’t display much anger over it. Some have even gone as far as to say he’s he’s ''too'' understanding about it.
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** After decades of her treating Brooke as inferior and horrible for the things she herself has done, watching [[BreakTheHaughty Taylor]] literally grovel on her hands and knees to Brooke [[spoiler: after Brooke learned that she was the one who tried to murder Bill]]—something Brooke never would do—to keep her secret is very satisfying.
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** After decades of her treating Brooke as inferior and horrible for the things she herself has done, watching [[BreakTheHaughty Taylor]] literally grovel on her hands and knees to Brooke [[spoiler: after Brooke learned that she was the one who tried to murder Bill]]—something Bill]]—something Brooke never would do—to do—to keep her secret is very satisfying.
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** The more hardcore of Steffy and Taylor’s Taylor’s detractors were very pleased to see Sheila and Bill blackmail Steffy over Taylor’s Taylor’s shooting of Bill, who’ve who’ve wanted to see the secret revealed for a while and for both to pay for their actions.
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** The show tends to ignore Flo's first actions on the show, (kidnapping Hope's daughter and selling her to Steffy) in order to make her appear as the victim in any situation dealing with Sally. Came to a ridiculous front when ''Series/TheYoungAndTheRestless'''s [[TheScrappy Summer Newman]], a SpoiledBrat AlphaBitch whose blackmailed her own parents, sexual harassed two men and bullied a kid to the point of him standing on a ledge of a skyscraper with every intention to jump, came to L.A. looking for dirt on ending her new [[TheRival Rival]] Sally, which Flo was more than happy to supply.
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** The show tends to ignore Flo's first actions on the show, (kidnapping Hope's daughter and selling her to Steffy) in order to make her appear as the victim in any situation dealing with Sally. Came to a ridiculous front when ''Series/TheYoungAndTheRestless'''s [[TheScrappy Summer Newman]], a SpoiledBrat AlphaBitch whose blackmailed her own parents, sexual harassed two men and bullied a kid to the point of him standing on a ledge of a skyscraper with every intention to jump, came to L.A. looking for dirt on ending her new [[TheRival Rival]] Sally, which Flo was more than happy to supply. As of August 2023, Liam has outright stated that ''Thomas'' stole Beth without making any mention of Flo whatsoever, which seems to also be a {{Retcon}} to justify Liam's unwillingness to forgive him or Hope.
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*** Her actions gets worse when it's revealed that she's been keeping him hostage and leaving everyone to think he's dead after it’s revealed that his adoptive mother, Li, had saved him. Sheila is instead trying to appear as a savior to Finn despite that [[{{Hypocrite}} she was the one who put him in this position in the first place]].
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*** Her actions gets worse when it's revealed that she's been keeping him hostage and leaving everyone to think he's dead after it’s it’s revealed that his adoptive mother, Li, had saved him. Sheila is instead trying to appear as a savior to Finn despite that [[{{Hypocrite}} she was the one who put him in this position in the first place]].
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** Sheila became this after her return to the show in 2021. The audience was initially mixed on her return after TheReveal that she was Finn's biological mother, but after Finn's hostage arc concluded, many suspected the writers relying on IdiotBall to keep her in the loop and frequently chastise the fact that they rely on Sheila for short-term ratings boost at the expense of the story’s quality, with her blackmail arc involving Bill being the most infamous example.
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** Sheila became this after her return to the show in 2021. The audience was initially mixed on her return after TheReveal that she was Finn's biological mother, but after Finn's hostage arc concluded, many suspected the writers relying on IdiotBall to keep her in the loop and frequently chastise the fact that they rely on Sheila for short-term ratings boost at the expense of the story’s story’s quality, with her blackmail arc involving Bill being the most infamous example.
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** Liam Spencer is this in spades, and some even go as far as to see him as a VillainProtagonist. Almost any time that he's cheated on, physically hurt or beleaguered, very few viewers will feel sorry for him and will often call out how verbally and emotionally abusive he was prior to it and point out how he brought most problems on himself to begin with. Given he himself is infamous for relying on SeductionAsOneUpmanship and is typically a {{Jerkass}} who [[NeverMyFault never takes responsibility for his own actions]], viewers tend to side against him in any situation he’s involved in.
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** Liam Spencer is this in spades, and some even go as far as to see him as a VillainProtagonist. Almost any time that he's cheated on, physically hurt or beleaguered, very few viewers will feel sorry for him and will often call out how verbally and emotionally abusive he was prior to it and point out how he brought most problems on himself to begin with. Given he himself is infamous for relying on SeductionAsOneUpmanship and is typically a {{Jerkass}} who [[NeverMyFault never takes responsibility for his own actions]], viewers tend to side against him in any situation he’s he’s involved in.
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* Steffy is meant to be seen as a MamaBear for chastising Finn for trying to bring back Sheila into their lives, and also for taking the kids away from him a year later due to him willingly defending her, but she comes off as rather abrasive and hypocritical in that she has repeatedly been unfaithful with him, and he has forgiven her many times. Add onto the fact that she repeatedly denies Liam is trying to come between them despite the fact that she's allowed him to insult Finn repeatedly and make many romantic advances towards her despite Finn's warnings, and she comes off more as a BitchInSheepsClothing than anything that's looking for an excuse to cheat again even if she isn't.
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* Steffy is meant to be seen as a MamaBear for chastising Finn for trying to bring back Sheila into their lives, and also for taking the kids away from him a year later due to him willingly defending her, but she comes off as rather abrasive and hypocritical in that she has repeatedly been unfaithful with him, and he has forgiven her many times. Add onto the fact that she repeatedly denies Liam is trying to come between them despite the fact that she's allowed him to insult Finn repeatedly and make many romantic advances towards her despite Finn's warnings, and she comes off more as a BitchInSheepsClothing than anything that's looking for an excuse to cheat again even if she isn't.
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*** The minute Finn started softening towards Sheila and openly defended her against Steffy, many of Steffy's fans immediately started denouncing Sinn as a pairing feeling that Finn was betraying the woman he swore to love and protect. The fact that this was an entire year after when Steffy and him were shot by Sheila, and he was held hostage, didn't help. Likewise, Steffy willingly keeping the fact that Liam went behind Finn's back to attempt cuckoldry caused Finn’s fans to stray from the ship, especially since she has repeatedly been allowing Liam to come to her house despite that and Finn warning her to stop letting her come, then acting like she owes no explanation to him despite the fact that Liam's clearly trying to sabotage their relationship and has refused to respect Steffy's boundaries. The fact that Finn took responsibility for his actions, but Steffy kept allowing Liam to disparage her husband and make advances at her while she kept denying Liam was a problem has not hurt her case and has put more blame on her for the abandonment. Despite the divide between who was responsible for the abandonment of the ship, both sides of the ship agree that [[DerailingLoveInterests Finn's forgiveness and Steffy's stupidity was deliberate to give Liam the spotlight]].
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*** The minute Finn started softening towards Sheila and openly defended her against Steffy, many of Steffy's fans immediately started denouncing Sinn as a pairing feeling that Finn was betraying the woman he swore to love and protect. The fact that this was an entire year after when Steffy and him were shot by Sheila, and he was held hostage, didn't help. Likewise, Steffy willingly keeping the fact that Liam went behind Finn's back to attempt cuckoldry caused Finn’s fans to stray from the ship, especially since she has repeatedly been allowing Liam to come to her house despite that and Finn warning her to stop letting her come, then acting like she owes no explanation to him despite the fact that Liam's clearly trying to sabotage their relationship and has refused to respect Steffy's boundaries. The fact that Finn took responsibility for his actions, but Steffy kept allowing Liam to disparage her husband and make advances at her while she kept denying Liam was a problem has not hurt her case and has put more blame on her for the abandonment. Despite the divide between who was responsible for the abandonment of the ship, both sides of the ship agree that [[DerailingLoveInterests Finn's forgiveness and Steffy's stupidity was deliberate to give Liam the spotlight]].
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*** The minute Finn started softening towards Sheila and openly defended her against Steffy, many of Steffy's fans immediately started denouncing Sinn as a pairing feeling that Finn was betraying the woman he swore to love and protect. The fact that this was an entire year after when Steffy and him were shot by Sheila, and he was held hostage, didn't help. Likewise, Steffy willingly keeping the fact that Liam went behind Finn's back to attempt cuckoldry caused Finn’s fans to stray from the ship, especially since she has repeatedly been allowing Liam to come to her house despite that and Finn warning her to stop letting her come, then acting like she owes no explanation to him despite the fact that Liam's clearly trying to sabotage their relationship and has refused to respect Steffy's boundaries. Despite the divide between who was responsible for the abandonment of the ship, both sides of the ship agree that [[DerailingLoveInterests Finn's forgiveness and Steffy's stupidity was deliberate to give Liam the spotlight]].
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*** The minute Finn started softening towards Sheila and openly defended her against Steffy, many of Steffy's fans immediately started denouncing Sinn as a pairing feeling that Finn was betraying the woman he swore to love and protect. The fact that this was an entire year after when Steffy and him were shot by Sheila, and he was held hostage, didn't help. Likewise, Steffy willingly keeping the fact that Liam went behind Finn's back to attempt cuckoldry caused Finn’s fans to stray from the ship, especially since she has repeatedly been allowing Liam to come to her house despite that and Finn warning her to stop letting her come, then acting like she owes no explanation to him despite the fact that Liam's clearly trying to sabotage their relationship and has refused to respect Steffy's boundaries. The fact that Finn took responsibility for his actions, but Steffy kept allowing Liam to disparage her husband and make advances at her while she kept denying Liam was a problem has not hurt her case and has put more blame on her for the abandonment. Despite the divide between who was responsible for the abandonment of the ship, both sides of the ship agree that [[DerailingLoveInterests Finn's forgiveness and Steffy's stupidity was deliberate to give Liam the spotlight]].
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** John "Finn" Finnegan gets a lot of sympathy and love from fans over the fact that he has constantly been the subject of suffering for the show, from being a cuckold on two occasions despite his faithfulness to constantly having to deal with Sheila at every turn; Viewers of the show, especially his fans, especially got irritated over the fact that he was still having to deal with Sheila even after being shot and held hostage. The subject of the overkill abuse against Finn hit a head in season 37, when he has been made into a pariah for suddenly hugging Sheila by Liam and Steffy as he's only acknowledged she was a hero for saving his stepdaughter Kelly, and many have taken issue with the fact that Liam and Steffy have been allowed to rake him over the coals for it despite the fact that the former has repeatedly attempted to take Steffy for himself after Hope divorced him and the latter has been dishonest with him and never properly let him come to terms about Sheila in the past.
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** Much of the sympathy and love from fans that John "Finn" Finnegan gets a lot of sympathy and love from fans is over the fact that he has constantly been the subject of suffering for the show, from being a cuckold on two occasions despite his faithfulness to constantly having to deal with Sheila at every turn; Viewers of the show, especially his fans, especially got irritated over the fact that he was still having to deal with Sheila even after being shot and held hostage. The subject of the overkill abuse against Finn hit a head in season 37, when he has been made into a pariah for suddenly hugging Sheila by Liam and Steffy as he's only acknowledged she was a hero for saving his stepdaughter Kelly, and many have taken issue with the fact that Liam and Steffy have been allowed to rake him over the coals for it despite the fact that the former has repeatedly attempted to take Steffy for himself after Hope divorced him and the latter has been dishonest with him and never properly let him come to terms about Sheila in the past.
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** In the second in the Finn/Steffy/Liam LoveTriangle that took place mid-2023, Finn is painted to be jealous and in the wrong for going soft on Sheila again and is intended to be an antagonist Liam has to face. Yet aside from the fact that Liam is notorious for being adulterous out of spite and was clearly being an OpportunisticBastard, many felt Finn comes across as unfairly vilified and conflicted rather than willfully ignorant after being kept in the dark by Steffy due to her [[IdiotBall inability to tell the truth about what Liam did]] as well as the fact she never let him properly deal with the fact Sheila was his mother. Coupled with the fact that he has been cheated on with Liam before[[note]]Twice, technically, since he went behind his back to forcefully kiss Steffy, even though she didn't initiate or appreciate Liam's surprise kisses[[/note]], and has to deal with the internal conflict regarding his own biological mother (which many felt was intentionally forced by the writers), fans felt Finn was vilified more he deserved to be compared to Bill and Ridge, who were responsible for Sheila breaking free and not being charged with shooting Finn and Steffy but got zero backlash for their actions. The fact Finn's newfound feeling for Sheila was very much [[AssPull out of left field]] made Finn, in direct contrast to Liam, more empathized with than any character against Sheila at that moment.
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*** Ridge is supposed to be seen as a victim of deception because Thomas deceived him through a fake voice app call...but instead, Ridge has received much backlash over his constant toying with Brooke and Taylor's emotions, as well as the harsh and cold breakup he put Brooke through. Add onto the fact that he has cheated on both of them multiple times in the past, and in the end he comes off as a petulant manchild more than anything else. [[spoiler:Add onto the fact that he willingly collaborated with Bill and put Taylor and Brooke at risk, and it definitely came off as more of an excuse]].
*** Bill was looked down upon for three reasons. In the first act, his dangerous mental state [[DidNotGetTheGirl after his rejection by Brooke and Katie]] is supposed to make him seen as a broken man who needs help that's scared of dying alone and is being manipulated by Sheila because no one will give a chance, but instead it makes him comes across as a vile powermonger given he knows ''exactly'' what he's doing and willingly puts everyone at risk to get what he wants instead of realizing his power can't win everyone over. [[spoiler:Even when it was revealed in the second act to have all been an act to get even more charges on Sheila, causing him to be lauded as a hero by everyone, viewers still viewed his actions with disdain since it involved putting everyone (especially Finn and Steffy) at risk of being in danger once more when there were already enough charges to put Sheila away (which many pointed out when the episode was released). Alot of viewers also had an issue with the fact that his actions negatively impacted Taylor's mental state and almost caused herself to land herself in jail for nothing]].
*** When Sheila's trial happened, Bill and Ridge's entire scheme was revealed to backfire due to [[SurprisinglyRealisticOutcome the fact that the confession was coerced and connections with the feds were used]], which caused his actions against Finn and Steffy (who couldn't press charges because Bill blackmailed them) to gain them more ire than they ever did before from audiences.
*** Ridge is supposed to be seen as a victim of deception because Thomas deceived him through a fake voice app call...but instead, Ridge has received much backlash over his constant toying with Brooke and Taylor's emotions, as well as the harsh and cold breakup he put Brooke through. Add onto the fact that he has cheated on both of them multiple times in the past, and in the end he comes off as a petulant manchild more than anything else. [[spoiler:Add onto the fact that he willingly collaborated with Bill and put Taylor and Brooke at risk, and it definitely came off as more of an excuse]].
*** Bill was looked down upon for three reasons. In the first act, his dangerous mental state [[DidNotGetTheGirl after his rejection by Brooke and Katie]] is supposed to make him seen as a broken man who needs help that's scared of dying alone and is being manipulated by Sheila because no one will give a chance, but instead it makes him comes across as a vile powermonger given he knows ''exactly'' what he's doing and willingly puts everyone at risk to get what he wants instead of realizing his power can't win everyone over. [[spoiler:Even when it was revealed in the second act to have all been an act to get even more charges on Sheila, causing him to be lauded as a hero by everyone, viewers still viewed his actions with disdain since it involved putting everyone (especially Finn and Steffy) at risk of being in danger once more when there were already enough charges to put Sheila away (which many pointed out when the episode was released). Alot of viewers also had an issue with the fact that his actions negatively impacted Taylor's mental state and almost caused herself to land herself in jail for nothing]].
*** When Sheila's trial happened, Bill and Ridge's entire scheme was revealed to backfire due to [[SurprisinglyRealisticOutcome the fact that the confession was coerced and connections with the feds were used]], which caused his actions against Finn and Steffy (who couldn't press charges because Bill blackmailed them) to gain them more ire than they ever did before from audiences.
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** In season 36, Ridge and Bill are definitely viewed with disdain for their actions:
actions, both for their behavior torwards the women they loved [[spoiler:and the fact that their entire scheme to put Sheila in jail backfired due to [[SurprisinglyRealisticOutcome the fact that the confession was coerced and connections with the feds were used]], which costed Finn and Steffy the opportunity to press charges]]:
*** Ridge is supposed to be seen as a victim of deception because Thomas deceived him through a fake voice app call...but instead, Ridge has received much backlash over his constant toying with Brooke and Taylor's emotions, as well as the harsh and cold breakup he put Brooke through. Add onto the fact that he has cheated on both of them multiple times in the past, and in theend end, he comes off as a petulant manchild more than anything else. [[spoiler:Add onto Ridge's unpopularity over his actions grew even more as [[NeverMyFault he acts like he did nothing wrong]] and essentially was absolved for any responsibility in Sheila's freedom and instead blamed Finn for Sheila being back in everyone's lives over his hug and told ''him'' to take accountability for it when he pointed out Liam was taking advantage, [[DoubleStandard despite the fact that he willingly collaborated with Bill and put Taylor and Brooke at risk, and it definitely came off as more of an excuse]].
his plan is the reason Sheila was free to begin with]].
*** Bill was looked down upon for three reasons. In the first act, his dangerous mental state [[DidNotGetTheGirl after his rejection by Brooke and Katie]] is supposed to make him seen as a broken man who needs help that's scared of dying alone and is being manipulated by Sheila because no one will give a chance, but instead it makes him comes across as a vile powermonger given he knows ''exactly'' what he's doing and willingly puts everyone at risk to get what he wants instead of realizing his power can't win everyone over. [[spoiler:Even when it was revealed in the second act to have all been an act to get even more charges on Sheila, causing him to be lauded as a hero by everyone, viewers still viewed his actions with disdain since it involved putting everyone (especially Finn and Steffy) at risk of being in danger once more when there were already enough charges to put Sheila away (which many pointed out when the episode was released). Alot of viewers also had an issue with the fact that his actions negatively impacted Taylor's mental state and almost caused herself to land herself in jail fornothing]].
*** Whennothing]], and in the end, ruined Finn and Steffy's chances at getting justice for Sheila's trial happened, Bill and Ridge's entire scheme was revealed to backfire due to [[SurprisinglyRealisticOutcome the fact that the confession was coerced and connections with the feds were used]], which caused his actions against Finn and Steffy (who couldn't press charges because Bill blackmailed them) to gain them more ire than they ever did before from audiences.crimes.
*** Ridge is supposed to be seen as a victim of deception because Thomas deceived him through a fake voice app call...but instead, Ridge has received much backlash over his constant toying with Brooke and Taylor's emotions, as well as the harsh and cold breakup he put Brooke through. Add onto the fact that he has cheated on both of them multiple times in the past, and in the
*** Bill was looked down upon for three reasons. In the first act, his dangerous mental state [[DidNotGetTheGirl after his rejection by Brooke and Katie]] is supposed to make him seen as a broken man who needs help that's scared of dying alone and is being manipulated by Sheila because no one will give a chance, but instead it makes him comes across as a vile powermonger given he knows ''exactly'' what he's doing and willingly puts everyone at risk to get what he wants instead of realizing his power can't win everyone over. [[spoiler:Even when it was revealed in the second act to have all been an act to get even more charges on Sheila, causing him to be lauded as a hero by everyone, viewers still viewed his actions with disdain since it involved putting everyone (especially Finn and Steffy) at risk of being in danger once more when there were already enough charges to put Sheila away (which many pointed out when the episode was released). Alot of viewers also had an issue with the fact that his actions negatively impacted Taylor's mental state and almost caused herself to land herself in jail for
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** In the second in the Finn/Steffy/Liam LoveTriangle that took place mid-2023, Finn is painted to be in the wrong for going soft on Sheila again and is intended to be an antagonist Liam has to face. Yet aside from the fact that Liam is notorious for being adulterous out of spite and was clearly being an OpportunisticBastard, many felt Finn comes across as unfairly vilified and conflicted rather than willfully ignorant after being kept in the dark by Steffy due to her [[IdiotBall inability to tell the truth about what Liam did]] as well as the fact she never let him properly deal with the fact Sheila was his mother. Coupled with the fact that he has been cheated on with Liam before[[note]]Twice, technically, since he went behind his back to forcefully kiss Steffy, even though she didn't initiate or appreciate Liam's surprise kisses[[/note]], and has to deal with the internal conflict regarding his own biological mother (which many felt was intentionally forced by the writers), fans felt Finn was vilified more he deserved to be compared to Bill and Ridge, who were responsible for Sheila breaking free and not being charged with shooting Finn and Steffy but got zero backlash for their actions. The fact Finn's newfound feeling for Sheila was very much [[AssPull out of left field]] made Finn, in direct contrast to Liam, more empathized with than any character against Sheila at that moment.
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** In the second in the Finn/Steffy/Liam LoveTriangle that took place mid-2023, Finn is painted to be jealous and in the wrong for going soft on Sheila again and is intended to be an antagonist Liam has to face. Yet aside from the fact that Liam is notorious for being adulterous out of spite and was clearly being an OpportunisticBastard, many felt Finn comes across as unfairly vilified and conflicted rather than willfully ignorant after being kept in the dark by Steffy due to her [[IdiotBall inability to tell the truth about what Liam did]] as well as the fact she never let him properly deal with the fact Sheila was his mother. Coupled with the fact that he has been cheated on with Liam before[[note]]Twice, technically, since he went behind his back to forcefully kiss Steffy, even though she didn't initiate or appreciate Liam's surprise kisses[[/note]], and has to deal with the internal conflict regarding his own biological mother (which many felt was intentionally forced by the writers), fans felt Finn was vilified more he deserved to be compared to Bill and Ridge, who were responsible for Sheila breaking free and not being charged with shooting Finn and Steffy but got zero backlash for their actions. The fact Finn's newfound feeling for Sheila was very much [[AssPull out of left field]] made Finn, in direct contrast to Liam, more empathized with than any character against Sheila at that moment.
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*** The minute Finn started softening towards Sheila, many of Steffy's fans immediately started denouncing Sinn as a pairing feeling that he was betraying the woman he swore to love and protect. The fact that this was an entire year after when Steffy and him were shot by Sheila, and he was held hostage, didn't help. Likewise, Steffy keeping the fact that Liam went behind Finn's back to attempt cuckoldry has caused Finn’s fans to stray from the ship, especially since she has repeatedly been allowing Liam to come to her house despite Finn warning her to stop letting her come. Despite the divide between who was responsible for the abandonment of the ship, both sides of the ship agree that [[DerailingLoveInterests Finn's forgiveness and Steffy's stupidity was deliberate to give Liam the spotlight]].
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*** The minute Finn started softening towards Sheila, Sheila and openly defended her against Steffy, many of Steffy's fans immediately started denouncing Sinn as a pairing feeling that he Finn was betraying the woman he swore to love and protect. The fact that this was an entire year after when Steffy and him were shot by Sheila, and he was held hostage, didn't help. Likewise, Steffy willingly keeping the fact that Liam went behind Finn's back to attempt cuckoldry has caused Finn’s fans to stray from the ship, especially since she has repeatedly been allowing Liam to come to her house despite that and Finn warning her to stop letting her come.come, then acting like she owes no explanation to him despite the fact that Liam's clearly trying to sabotage their relationship and has refused to respect Steffy's boundaries. Despite the divide between who was responsible for the abandonment of the ship, both sides of the ship agree that [[DerailingLoveInterests Finn's forgiveness and Steffy's stupidity was deliberate to give Liam the spotlight]].
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** In the second in the Finn/Steffy/Liam LoveTriangle that took place mid-2023, Finn is painted to be in the wrong for going soft on Sheila again and is intended to be an antagonist Liam has to face. Yet aside from the fact that Liam is notorious for being adulterous out of spite and was clearly being an OpportunisticBastard, many felt Finn comes across as unfairly vilified and conflicted rather than willfully ignorant after being kept in the dark by Steffy due to her [[IdiotBall inability to tell the truth about what Liam did]] as well as the fact she never let him properly deal with the fact Sheila was his mother. Coupled with the fact that he has been cheated on with Liam before[[note]]Twice, technically, since he went behind his back to forcefully kiss Steffy, even though she didn't initiate or appreciate Liam's surprise kisses[[/note]], and has to deal with the internal conflict regarding his own biological mother (which many felt was intentionally forced by the writers), fans felt Finn was vilified more he deserved to be compared to Bill and Ridge, who were responsible for Sheila breaking free and not being charged with shooting Finn and Steffy but got zero backlash for their actions and the fact that it was very much [[AssPull out of left field]] made Finn, in direct contrast to Liam, more empathized with than any character against Sheila at that moment.
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** In the second in the Finn/Steffy/Liam LoveTriangle that took place mid-2023, Finn is painted to be in the wrong for going soft on Sheila again and is intended to be an antagonist Liam has to face. Yet aside from the fact that Liam is notorious for being adulterous out of spite and was clearly being an OpportunisticBastard, many felt Finn comes across as unfairly vilified and conflicted rather than willfully ignorant after being kept in the dark by Steffy due to her [[IdiotBall inability to tell the truth about what Liam did]] as well as the fact she never let him properly deal with the fact Sheila was his mother. Coupled with the fact that he has been cheated on with Liam before[[note]]Twice, technically, since he went behind his back to forcefully kiss Steffy, even though she didn't initiate or appreciate Liam's surprise kisses[[/note]], and has to deal with the internal conflict regarding his own biological mother (which many felt was intentionally forced by the writers), fans felt Finn was vilified more he deserved to be compared to Bill and Ridge, who were responsible for Sheila breaking free and not being charged with shooting Finn and Steffy but got zero backlash for their actions and the actions. The fact that it Finn's newfound feeling for Sheila was very much [[AssPull out of left field]] made Finn, in direct contrast to Liam, more empathized with than any character against Sheila at that moment.
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** John "Finn" Finnegan gets a lot of sympathy and love from fans over the fact that he has constantly been the subject of suffering for the show, from being a cuckold on two occasions despite his faithfulness to constantly having to deal with Sheila at every turn; Viewers of the show, especially his fans, especially got irritated over the fact that he was still having to deal with Sheila even after being shot and held hostage. The subject of the overkill abuse against Finn hit a head in season 37, when he has been made into a pariah for suddenly hugging Sheila by Liam and Steffy as he's only acknowledged she was a hero for saving his stepdaughter Kelly, and many have taken issue with the fact that Liam and Steffy have been allowed to rake him over the coals for it despite the fact that the former has repeatedly attempted to take Steffy for himself after Hope divorced him and the latter has been dishonest with him and never properly let him come to terms about Sheila in the past.
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** John Finnegan is meant to be seen as the bad option in the second plot between him, Liam, and Steffy over the fact that over the fact that he suddenly forgives his mother. The fact that it was ''[[OpportunisticBastard Liam]]'' who made the reveal, who's was just previously going behind his back to win Steffy back despite her putting her foot down with him ''twice'', [[AssPull and his forgiveness of Sheila and sudden shift in attitude about her and in general felt forced by many]], it didn't make him any more or less likeable as an option to viewers.
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** In the second in the Finn/Steffy/Liam LoveTriangle that took place mid-2023, Finn is painted to be in the wrong for going soft on Sheila again and is intended to be an antagonist Liam has to face. Yet aside from the fact that Liam is notorious for being adulterous out of spite and was clearly being an OpportunisticBastard, many felt Finn comes across as unfairly vilified and conflicted rather than willfully ignorant after being kept in the dark by Steffy due to her [[IdiotBall inability to tell the truth about what Liam did]] as well as the fact she never let him properly deal with the fact Sheila was his mother. Coupled with the fact that he has been cheated on with Liam before[[note]]Twice, technically, since he went behind his back to forcefully kiss Steffy, even though she didn't initiate or appreciate Liam's surprise kisses[[/note]], and has to deal with the internal conflict regarding his own biological mother (which many felt was intentionally forced by the writers), fans felt Finn was vilified more he deserved to be compared to Bill and Ridge, who were responsible for Sheila breaking free and not being charged with shooting Finn and Steffy but got zero backlash for their actions and the fact that it was very much [[AssPull out of left field]] made Finn, in direct contrast to Liam, more empathized with than any character against Sheila at that moment.
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** Steffy's constant attachment to Liam's presence, be it romantic or platonic, has been chalked up to the fact because his behavior is [[LikeParentLikeSpouse very much similar to her father, Ridge]]. Given she's lived around someone who's constantly played with women's feelings all their life, and undoubtedly has caused her some psychological problems, [[FridgeBrilliance it makes sense in context as to why she even loved Liam to begin with at one point]].
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** Steffy's constant attachment to Liam's presence, be it romantic or platonic, has been chalked up to the fact because that his behavior and nature is [[LikeParentLikeSpouse very much similar to her father, Ridge]]. Given she's lived around someone who's constantly played with women's feelings all their life, life (namely Taylor and Brooke), and undoubtedly this has caused her some psychological problems, damage, [[FridgeBrilliance it makes sense in context as to why she even loved Liam to begin with at one point]].point]], even after he cheated on her with Hope.
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* DiagnosedByTheAudience: Fans have long speculated that Stephanie had a Jocasta Complex, an inversion of the UsefulNotes/OedipusComplex , given her obsession with her oldest son Ridge and constant attempts to interfere in his love life, namely relentlessly pushing for him and Taylor to get together and stay together. Taylor herself finally realized that this was because she was so similar to Stephanie and realized that Stephanie wanted Ridge to be with someone just like her if she couldn't have him herself.
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** Fans have long speculated that Stephanie had a Jocasta Complex, an inversion of the UsefulNotes/OedipusComplex , given her obsession with her oldest son Ridge and constant attempts to interfere in his love life, namely relentlessly pushing for him and Taylor to get together and stay together. Taylor herself finally realized that this was because she was so similar to Stephanie and realized that Stephanie wanted Ridge to be with someone just like her if she couldn't have himherself.herself.
** Steffy's constant attachment to Liam's presence, be it romantic or platonic, has been chalked up to the fact because his behavior is [[LikeParentLikeSpouse very much similar to her father, Ridge]]. Given she's lived around someone who's constantly played with women's feelings all their life, and undoubtedly has caused her some psychological problems, [[FridgeBrilliance it makes sense in context as to why she even loved Liam to begin with at one point]].
** Fans have long speculated that Stephanie had a Jocasta Complex, an inversion of the UsefulNotes/OedipusComplex , given her obsession with her oldest son Ridge and constant attempts to interfere in his love life, namely relentlessly pushing for him and Taylor to get together and stay together. Taylor herself finally realized that this was because she was so similar to Stephanie and realized that Stephanie wanted Ridge to be with someone just like her if she couldn't have him
** Steffy's constant attachment to Liam's presence, be it romantic or platonic, has been chalked up to the fact because his behavior is [[LikeParentLikeSpouse very much similar to her father, Ridge]]. Given she's lived around someone who's constantly played with women's feelings all their life, and undoubtedly has caused her some psychological problems, [[FridgeBrilliance it makes sense in context as to why she even loved Liam to begin with at one point]].
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*** The minute Finn started softening towards Sheila, many of Steffy's fans immediately started denouncing Sinn as a pairing feeling that he was betraying the woman he swore to love and protect. The fact that this was an entire year after when Steffy and him were shot by Sheila, and he was held hostage, didn't help. Likewise, Steffy keeping the fact that Liam went behind Finn's back to attempt cuckoldry has caused Sinn fans to stray from the ship, especially since she has repeatedly been allowing Liam to come to her house despite Finn warning her to stop letting her come. Despite the divide between who was responsible for the abandonment of the ship, both sides of the ship agree that [[DerailingLoveInterests Finn's forgiveness and Steffy's stupidity was deliberate to give Liam the spotlight]].
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*** The minute Finn started softening towards Sheila, many of Steffy's fans immediately started denouncing Sinn as a pairing feeling that he was betraying the woman he swore to love and protect. The fact that this was an entire year after when Steffy and him were shot by Sheila, and he was held hostage, didn't help. Likewise, Steffy keeping the fact that Liam went behind Finn's back to attempt cuckoldry has caused Sinn Finn’s fans to stray from the ship, especially since she has repeatedly been allowing Liam to come to her house despite Finn warning her to stop letting her come. Despite the divide between who was responsible for the abandonment of the ship, both sides of the ship agree that [[DerailingLoveInterests Finn's forgiveness and Steffy's stupidity was deliberate to give Liam the spotlight]].
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** While the Steffy/Liam vs. Lope Hope/Liam wars still rage on, a ''lot'' of viewers on both sides have exasperatedly jumped ship as the storyline gets dragged out to the point of absurdity -- often saying something along the lines of, "They both deserve better than him, anyway!"
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** While the Steffy/Liam vs. Lope Hope/Liam wars still rage on, a ''lot'' of viewers on both sides have exasperatedly jumped ship as the storyline gets dragged out to the point of absurdity -- often saying something along the lines of, "They both deserve better than him, anyway!"anyway!". Given that he constantly runs back and forth between the two whenever the other leaves him, many feel there's no justifying any of these two ships.
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** Likewise, while many still support it, the initial popularity of Steffy/Finn has severely been damaged after Steffy immediately cheated on Finn with Liam, when it seemed like he was leaving Hope, and especially when she refuses to reveal the truth to Finn. Even [[EveryoneHasStandards Liam]] wanted to come clean, but Steffy at the time would rather have continued to live with the lie and avoid the consequences. Even worst during the entire time she still has the gall to say she loves Liam, while spouting her ''loyalty'' towards Finn...and although she came clean to Finn after finding out she was pregnant (along with the fact that it was also Finn's baby, biologically speaking), alot of viewers still oppose the ship to this day.
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** Likewise, while many still support it, Despite the initial popularity wholesome nature of this couple, Steffy/Finn has severely been damaged after faced abandonment on multiple occasions:
*** When Steffyimmediately cheated on Finn with Liam, when it seemed like he was leaving Hope, and the pairing's initial popularity took damage especially when she refuses refused to reveal the truth to Finn. Even [[EveryoneHasStandards Liam]] wanted to come clean, but Steffy at the time would rather have continued to live with the lie and avoid the consequences. Even worst during the entire time she still has the gall to say she loves Liam, while spouting her ''loyalty'' towards Finn...and although she came clean to Finn after finding out she was pregnant (along with the fact that it was also Finn's baby, biologically speaking), alot of viewers still oppose the ship to this day.day because of this.
*** The minute Finn started softening towards Sheila, many of Steffy's fans immediately started denouncing Sinn as a pairing feeling that he was betraying the woman he swore to love and protect. The fact that this was an entire year after when Steffy and him were shot by Sheila, and he was held hostage, didn't help. Likewise, Steffy keeping the fact that Liam went behind Finn's back to attempt cuckoldry has caused Sinn fans to stray from the ship, especially since she has repeatedly been allowing Liam to come to her house despite Finn warning her to stop letting her come. Despite the divide between who was responsible for the abandonment of the ship, both sides of the ship agree that [[DerailingLoveInterests Finn's forgiveness and Steffy's stupidity was deliberate to give Liam the spotlight]].
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*** The minute Finn started softening towards Sheila, many of Steffy's fans immediately started denouncing Sinn as a pairing feeling that he was betraying the woman he swore to love and protect. The fact that this was an entire year after when Steffy and him were shot by Sheila, and he was held hostage, didn't help. Likewise, Steffy keeping the fact that Liam went behind Finn's back to attempt cuckoldry has caused Sinn fans to stray from the ship, especially since she has repeatedly been allowing Liam to come to her house despite Finn warning her to stop letting her come. Despite the divide between who was responsible for the abandonment of the ship, both sides of the ship agree that [[DerailingLoveInterests Finn's forgiveness and Steffy's stupidity was deliberate to give Liam the spotlight]].
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* TooBleakStoppedCaring: A viewer could be forgiven for ultimately not emotionally investing in the show with how much misfortune and little focus there is for [[TheEveryman the more upstanding side characters]] [[HeelFaceRevolvingDoor who eventually go rogue and become schemers]] or when [[NiceGuy good-hearted men]] [[DerailingLoveInterests suddenly becoming rotten or mentally unstable]] for the CreatorsPet to shine. Given how frequently characters cheat, divorce, or break up in a relatively short span of time, it gets to the point that it's hard to look at a couple and be happy for them without wondering [[LoveCannotOvercome what circumstances will split them up]] and when. Combined with the fact that Sheila is now the show's main villain, who is [[KarmaHoudini seemingly unstoppable]] and [[ShaggyDogStory always finds a way out of facing justice or rendering any attempts moot]], it all creates a much darker soap opera than intended despite being glitzy compared to its [[Series/TheYoungAndTheRestless sister show]].
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* TooBleakStoppedCaring: A viewer could be forgiven for ultimately not emotionally investing in the show with how much misfortune and little focus there is for [[TheEveryman the more upstanding side characters]] [[HeelFaceRevolvingDoor who eventually go rogue and become schemers]] or when [[NiceGuy good-hearted men]] [[DerailingLoveInterests suddenly becoming become rotten or mentally unstable]] unstable]], both done for the CreatorsPet to shine. Given how frequently characters cheat, divorce, or break up in a relatively short span of time, it gets to the point that it's hard to look at a couple and be happy for them without wondering [[LoveCannotOvercome what circumstances will split them up]] and when. Combined with the fact that Sheila is now the show's main villain, who is [[KarmaHoudini seemingly unstoppable]] and [[ShaggyDogStory always finds a way out of facing justice or rendering any attempts moot]], it all creates a much darker soap opera than intended despite being glitzy compared to its [[Series/TheYoungAndTheRestless sister show]].
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* TooBleakStoppedCaring: A viewer could be forgiven for ultimately not emotionally investing in the show with how much misfortune and little focus there is for [[TheEveryman the more upstanding side characters]] [[HeelFaceRevolvingDoor who eventually go rogue and become schemers]] or when [[NiceGuy good-hearted men]] or [[DerailingLoveInterests suddenly becoming rotten or mentally unstable]] for the CreatorsPet to shine. Given how frequently characters cheat, divorce, or break up in a relatively short span of time, it gets to the point that it's hard to look at a couple and be happy for them without wondering [[LoveCannotOvercome what circumstances will split them up]] and when. Combined with the fact that Sheila is now the show's main villain, who is [[KarmaHoudini seemingly unstoppable]] and [[ShaggyDogStory always finds a way out of facing justice or rendering any attempts moot]], it all creates a much darker soap opera than intended despite being glitzy compared to its [[Series/TheYoungAndTheRestless sister show]].
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* TooBleakStoppedCaring: A viewer could be forgiven for ultimately not emotionally investing in the show with how much misfortune and little focus there is for [[TheEveryman the more upstanding side characters]] [[HeelFaceRevolvingDoor who eventually go rogue and become schemers]] or when [[NiceGuy good-hearted men]] or [[DerailingLoveInterests suddenly becoming rotten or mentally unstable]] for the CreatorsPet to shine. Given how frequently characters cheat, divorce, or break up in a relatively short span of time, it gets to the point that it's hard to look at a couple and be happy for them without wondering [[LoveCannotOvercome what circumstances will split them up]] and when. Combined with the fact that Sheila is now the show's main villain, who is [[KarmaHoudini seemingly unstoppable]] and [[ShaggyDogStory always finds a way out of facing justice or rendering any attempts moot]], it all creates a much darker soap opera than intended despite being glitzy compared to its [[Series/TheYoungAndTheRestless sister show]].
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* TooBleakStoppedCaring: A viewer could be forgiven for ultimately being unable to emotionally invest in the show with how much misfortune and little focus there is for [[TheEveryman the more upstanding side characters]] and [[NiceGuy good-hearted men]] [[DerailingLoveInterests suddenly becoming rotten or mentally unstable]] for the CreatorsPet to shine, and given how frequently characters cheat, divorce, or break up in a relatively short span of time...it gets to the point it's hard to look at a couple and be happy for them without wondering [[LoveCannotOvercome what circumstances will split them up]] and when. Combined with the fact that Sheila is now the show's main villain, who is [[KarmaHoudini seemingly unstoppable]] and [[ShaggyDogStory always finds a way out of facing justice or rendering any attempts moot]], it all creates a much darker soap opera than intended despite being glitzy compared to its sister show.
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* TooBleakStoppedCaring: A viewer could be forgiven for ultimately being unable to not emotionally invest investing in the show with how much misfortune and little focus there is for [[TheEveryman the more upstanding side characters]] [[HeelFaceRevolvingDoor who eventually go rogue and become schemers]] or when [[NiceGuy good-hearted men]] or [[DerailingLoveInterests suddenly becoming rotten or mentally unstable]] for the CreatorsPet to shine, and given shine. Given how frequently characters cheat, divorce, or break up in a relatively short span of time...time, it gets to the point that it's hard to look at a couple and be happy for them without wondering [[LoveCannotOvercome what circumstances will split them up]] and when. Combined with the fact that Sheila is now the show's main villain, who is [[KarmaHoudini seemingly unstoppable]] and [[ShaggyDogStory always finds a way out of facing justice or rendering any attempts moot]], it all creates a much darker soap opera than intended despite being glitzy compared to its [[Series/TheYoungAndTheRestless sister show.show]].
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*** In the second conflict between Liam, Finn, and Steffy, he's presented as the better option for Steffy simply on the account of that Finn went soft over Sheila again and he vowed to protect his daughter and ex, but given that it was ''[[{{Manchild}} Liam]] [[SerialHomewrecker Spencer]]'', the same guy who walked out on Steffy when she was pregnant who also has proved to be able to defend herself against Sheila without his help, was the one to inform her about it made him seen as anything but. Coupled with the fact that he is a vindictive BitchInSheepsClothing who ''immediately'' came crawling back to Steffy after he divorced hope and [[ForcefulKiss kissed her behind Finn's back twice]], completely forgetting about Beth as if she wasn't his child too, he was seen as more of an OpportunisticBastard.
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*** In the second conflict between Liam, Finn, and Steffy, he's presented as the better option for Steffy simply on the account of that Finn went soft over Sheila again and he vowed to protect his daughter and ex, but given that it was ''[[{{Manchild}} Liam]] [[SerialHomewrecker Spencer]]'', the same guy who walked out on Steffy when she was pregnant who also has proved to be able to defend herself against Sheila without his help, was the one to inform her about it made him seen as anything but. It was even weirder in that he claimed to want to protect Hayes as well, completely forgetting about Beth, his own daughter, as if she wasn't his child anymore. Coupled with the fact that he Liam in general is a vindictive BitchInSheepsClothing who ''immediately'' came crawling back to Steffy to interfere in her relationshop with Finn after he divorced hope Hope and [[ForcefulKiss kissed her the former behind Finn's back twice]], completely forgetting about Beth as if she wasn't his child too, he was seen as more of an OpportunisticBastard.
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* HarsherInHindsight: July 2022 was when Finn was struggling to return to Steffy to reveal he survived, and August 1st was when they reunited and reaffirmed their love for eachother with the entire month being dedicated to the renewal of their love for eachother. Fast forward to an exact year later and a week right before the 1st anniversary of their reunion, Finn now finds himself the subject of vilification* SugarWiki/HeReallyCanAct:
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* HarsherInHindsight: July 2022 was when Finn was struggling to return to Steffy to reveal he survived, and August 1st was when they reunited and reaffirmed their love for eachother with the entire month being dedicated to the renewal of their love for eachother. Fast forward to an exact year later and a week right before the 1st anniversary of their reunion, Finn now finds himself the subject of vilification* vilification by both Liam and Steffy, and the latter ends up taking the kids and leaving due to Liam's meddling from behind the scenes and his unexpected newfound feelings for Sheila.
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* HarsherInHindsight: July 2022 was when Finn was struggling to return to Steffy to reveal he survived, and August 1st was when they reunited and reaffirmed their love for eachother with the entire month being dedicated to the renewal of their love for eachother. Fast forward to an exact year later and a week right before the 1st anniversary of their reunion, Finn now finds himself the subject of vilification* SugarWiki/HeReallyCanAct:
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*** In the second conflict between Liam, Finn, and Steffy, he's presented as the better option for Steffy simply on the account of that Finn went soft over Sheila again and he vowed to protect his daughter and ex, but given that it was ''[[{{Manchild}} Liam]] [[SerialHomewrecker Spencer]]'', the same guy who walked out on Steffy when she was pregnant who also has proved to be able to defend herself against Sheila without his help, was the one to inform her about it made him seen as anything but. Coupled with the fact that he is a vindictive BitchInSheepsClothing who ''immediately'' came crawling back to Steffy after he divorced hope and [[ForcefulKiss kissed her behind Finn's back twice]], he was seen as more of an OpportunisticBastard.
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*** In the second conflict between Liam, Finn, and Steffy, he's presented as the better option for Steffy simply on the account of that Finn went soft over Sheila again and he vowed to protect his daughter and ex, but given that it was ''[[{{Manchild}} Liam]] [[SerialHomewrecker Spencer]]'', the same guy who walked out on Steffy when she was pregnant who also has proved to be able to defend herself against Sheila without his help, was the one to inform her about it made him seen as anything but. Coupled with the fact that he is a vindictive BitchInSheepsClothing who ''immediately'' came crawling back to Steffy after he divorced hope and [[ForcefulKiss kissed her behind Finn's back twice]], completely forgetting about Beth as if she wasn't his child too, he was seen as more of an OpportunisticBastard.
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** Despite all that Steffy has done, many find that she and her husband, Finn, are subject to too much torment for their liking. From Bill's emotional abuse towards Steffy to the constant harassment that she and her husband faces from Sheila which included being shot, gaslit, stalked, and blackmailed over what her mother did. Add onto the fact that Steffy is dealing with PTSD from everything Sheila's done to her since 2022 which included almost losing her husband, and any suffering she and Finn gets put through at that point begins to be seen as gratuitously overkill.
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** Despite all that Steffy has done, many find that she Finnegan (nee Forrester) can't seem to catch a break from tragedy and heartbreak, from losing her husband, Finn, are subject unborn son with Liam in a motorcycle accident, to too much torment for their liking. From being cheated on by him ''while'' pregnant again and dealing with Bill's emotional abuse towards Steffy her to the constant harassment that she and her new husband Finn faces from Sheila which included being shot, gaslit, stalked, and blackmailed over what her mother did. Add onto the fact that Steffy is dealing with PTSD from everything Sheila's done to her since 2022 which included almost losing her husband, and pretty much any suffering she and Finn gets put through at that point begins to be seen as gratuitously overkill.gratuitous.
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** Alot of criticism surrounding RJ Forrester is the fact that little is done with his character besides exposition and acting as a ShipperOnDeck for Ridge and Brooke. He was initially introduced to the show as an influencer who had been coming back from a world trip to visit his father and show off his work as an influencer, but he quickly gave it up in order to earn his father's approval and go into fashion like the rest of his family.
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* TooBleakStoppedCaring: A viewer could be forgiven for ultimately being unable to emotionally invest in the show given how much misfortune and little focus there is for [[TheEveryman the more upstanding side characters]] and how frequently characters cheat, divorce, or break up in a relatively short span of time. Combined with the fact that Sheila is now the show's main villain, who is [[KarmaHoudini seemingly unstoppable]] and [[ShaggyDogStory always finds a way out of facing justice or rendering any attempts moot]], it all creates a much darker soap opera than intended.
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* TooBleakStoppedCaring: A viewer could be forgiven for ultimately being unable to emotionally invest in the show given with how much misfortune and little focus there is for [[TheEveryman the more upstanding side characters]] and [[NiceGuy good-hearted men]] [[DerailingLoveInterests suddenly becoming rotten or mentally unstable]] for the CreatorsPet to shine, and given how frequently characters cheat, divorce, or break up in a relatively short span of time. time...it gets to the point it's hard to look at a couple and be happy for them without wondering [[LoveCannotOvercome what circumstances will split them up]] and when. Combined with the fact that Sheila is now the show's main villain, who is [[KarmaHoudini seemingly unstoppable]] and [[ShaggyDogStory always finds a way out of facing justice or rendering any attempts moot]], it all creates a much darker soap opera than intended.intended despite being glitzy compared to its sister show.
