History YMMV / TheAvengers

1st Aug '16 11:26:30 PM Anddrix
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* BaseBreaker: Maria Hill may be the biggest example of one in the MarvelUniverse. Even her actress in the films happily referred to her as 'the biggest bitch in the Marvel Universe'. She's the woman who tried to arrest ''Captain America'' for reasons she wouldn't be able to arrest him for, going out of her way to sabotage others to get ahead, and generally being a jerk to everyone she meets while her competence as a SHIELD director leaving much to be desired. [[NiceJobBreakingItHero Her actions in]] ''ComicBook/SecretAvengers'' [[WhatTheHellHero do not]] [[KickTheDog help with this]]. ''However'', a good number of fans ''do'' sympathise with her, especially thanks to her CharacterDevelopment under Fraction's pen in ''Iron Man'' and the handling by MarkWaid in his ''Hulk'' work, and a number point out that Nick Fury is generally given a free pass for similar stunts while she gets derided [[note]]which, again, her actress acknowledges, pointing out the DoubleStandard of how when a guy does something cruel and morally questionable, he's a badass, but when a woman does it, she's just a bitch[[/note]]; not to mention, her clear guilt during ''Secret Avengers'' helps to at least humanize her and make it clear she's not OK betraying Mockingbird or Hulk (but not Daisy; she's happy screwing over Daisy).

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* BaseBreaker: BaseBreakingCharacter: Maria Hill may be the biggest example of one in the MarvelUniverse. Even her actress in the films happily referred to her as 'the biggest bitch in the Marvel Universe'. She's the woman who tried to arrest ''Captain America'' for reasons she wouldn't be able to arrest him for, going out of her way to sabotage others to get ahead, and generally being a jerk to everyone she meets while her competence as a SHIELD director leaving much to be desired. [[NiceJobBreakingItHero Her actions in]] ''ComicBook/SecretAvengers'' [[WhatTheHellHero do not]] [[KickTheDog help with this]]. ''However'', a good number of fans ''do'' sympathise with her, especially thanks to her CharacterDevelopment under Fraction's pen in ''Iron Man'' and the handling by MarkWaid in his ''Hulk'' work, and a number point out that Nick Fury is generally given a free pass for similar stunts while she gets derided [[note]]which, again, her actress acknowledges, pointing out the DoubleStandard of how when a guy does something cruel and morally questionable, he's a badass, but when a woman does it, she's just a bitch[[/note]]; not to mention, her clear guilt during ''Secret Avengers'' helps to at least humanize her and make it clear she's not OK betraying Mockingbird or Hulk (but not Daisy; she's happy screwing over Daisy).
15th Jul '16 1:15:10 PM Saveelich
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!![[Series/TheAvengers The TV series with Patrick Macnee]]

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!![[Series/TheAvengers The 1960s British TV series with Patrick Macnee]]series]]



* ReplacementScrappy: Tara King. Otherwise averted with Emma Peel, who is a little more fondly remembered than her predecessor - Cathy Gale.

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* ReplacementScrappy: Tara King. Otherwise averted with Emma Peel, who is a little more fondly remembered than her predecessor - Cathy Gale.
5th Mar '16 11:00:49 PM nombretomado
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* DorkAge: The team in the immediate aftermath of Operation Galactic Storm. BobHarras wrote The Gatherers story well but the roster was horrible to the point where Black Knight, ComicBook/BlackWidow and Vision were the only popular characters on the team since CaptainAmerica and IronMan both decided to focus on solo adventures and Thor left soon afterwards while Wasp and HankPym both decided it would be a good time to go MIA. The West Coast Team fared slightly better with ComicBook/WarMachine, Hawkeye and ComicBook/ScarletWitch but the franchise was overrun with C-list heroes until Captain America rejoined the vanilla team at the same time that Deathcry joined who many consider to be the worst Avenger of all time. This led into the widely reviled (although well drawn) ''ComicBook/TheCrossing'' series which made IronMan evil then killed him and replaced him with his teenage self. It was a change so unpopular that it took killing the nearly entire roster of Avengers in the Onslaught crossover (exceptions being War Machine, Quicksilver, ComicBook/SpiderMan and partially the Hulk) to reboot them in the alternate ComicBook/HeroesReborn universe which proved so unpopular that Marvel performed a second reboot after only 12 issues. Thankfully KurtBusiek's reboot worked and restored the franchise to its former glory.

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* DorkAge: The team in the immediate aftermath of Operation Galactic Storm. BobHarras wrote The Gatherers story well but the roster was horrible to the point where Black Knight, ComicBook/BlackWidow and Vision were the only popular characters on the team since CaptainAmerica ComicBook/CaptainAmerica and IronMan both decided to focus on solo adventures and Thor left soon afterwards while Wasp and HankPym both decided it would be a good time to go MIA. The West Coast Team fared slightly better with ComicBook/WarMachine, Hawkeye and ComicBook/ScarletWitch but the franchise was overrun with C-list heroes until Captain America rejoined the vanilla team at the same time that Deathcry joined who many consider to be the worst Avenger of all time. This led into the widely reviled (although well drawn) ''ComicBook/TheCrossing'' series which made IronMan evil then killed him and replaced him with his teenage self. It was a change so unpopular that it took killing the nearly entire roster of Avengers in the Onslaught crossover (exceptions being War Machine, Quicksilver, ComicBook/SpiderMan and partially the Hulk) to reboot them in the alternate ComicBook/HeroesReborn universe which proved so unpopular that Marvel performed a second reboot after only 12 issues. Thankfully KurtBusiek's reboot worked and restored the franchise to its former glory.
4th Mar '16 8:32:14 AM GrigorII
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* FunnyAneurysmMoment: In one of the first issues, the Wasp was flying and Ant-man was riding a flying ant. She told him that he should get some wings like hers, as they fly into the adventure. Several years later, Henry Pym does that... as an homage to the Wasp, who had just been killed during a failed Skrull invasion.
27th Feb '16 4:42:59 PM nombretomado
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* DorkAge: The team in the immediate aftermath of Operation Galactic Storm. BobHarras wrote The Gatherers story well but the roster was horrible to the point where Black Knight, BlackWidow and Vision were the only popular characters on the team since CaptainAmerica and IronMan both decided to focus on solo adventures and Thor left soon afterwards while Wasp and HankPym both decided it would be a good time to go MIA. The West Coast Team fared slightly better with ComicBook/WarMachine, Hawkeye and ComicBook/ScarletWitch but the franchise was overrun with C-list heroes until Captain America rejoined the vanilla team at the same time that Deathcry joined who many consider to be the worst Avenger of all time. This led into the widely reviled (although well drawn) ''ComicBook/TheCrossing'' series which made IronMan evil then killed him and replaced him with his teenage self. It was a change so unpopular that it took killing the nearly entire roster of Avengers in the Onslaught crossover (exceptions being War Machine, Quicksilver, ComicBook/SpiderMan and partially the Hulk) to reboot them in the alternate ComicBook/HeroesReborn universe which proved so unpopular that Marvel performed a second reboot after only 12 issues. Thankfully KurtBusiek's reboot worked and restored the franchise to its former glory.

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* DorkAge: The team in the immediate aftermath of Operation Galactic Storm. BobHarras wrote The Gatherers story well but the roster was horrible to the point where Black Knight, BlackWidow ComicBook/BlackWidow and Vision were the only popular characters on the team since CaptainAmerica and IronMan both decided to focus on solo adventures and Thor left soon afterwards while Wasp and HankPym both decided it would be a good time to go MIA. The West Coast Team fared slightly better with ComicBook/WarMachine, Hawkeye and ComicBook/ScarletWitch but the franchise was overrun with C-list heroes until Captain America rejoined the vanilla team at the same time that Deathcry joined who many consider to be the worst Avenger of all time. This led into the widely reviled (although well drawn) ''ComicBook/TheCrossing'' series which made IronMan evil then killed him and replaced him with his teenage self. It was a change so unpopular that it took killing the nearly entire roster of Avengers in the Onslaught crossover (exceptions being War Machine, Quicksilver, ComicBook/SpiderMan and partially the Hulk) to reboot them in the alternate ComicBook/HeroesReborn universe which proved so unpopular that Marvel performed a second reboot after only 12 issues. Thankfully KurtBusiek's reboot worked and restored the franchise to its former glory.
7th Feb '16 7:27:20 AM Freshmeat
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* MagnumOpus: You'll get a lot of answers as to which run of the book is the best, but the most generally agreed upon are the classic Ray Thomas run and the epic Kurt Busiek/Geoff Johns run.
16th Jan '16 2:04:32 PM MagBas
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* GodModeSue: Mantis under Steve Engelhart -- in her debut, she handed ''the entire team their asses'' including ''Thor''. Just to establish that she was awesome.
28th Dec '15 12:11:54 PM Anddrix
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* StrawmanHasAPoint: Since her return, ComicBook/ScarletWitch has been attacked by several of her teammates for the events of ''ComicBook/HouseOfM'', even though ''Comicbook/TheChildrensCrusade'' established that she was possessed and manipulated by DoctorDoom. Her critics (namely TheVision and Rogue) are made to look like massive [[JerkAss Jerkasses]] for attacking her, but ''House of M'' wasn't the ''first'' time Wanda lost control of her powers. There is definitely some logic behind the idea that having her on the Comicbook/UncannyAvengers might be dangerous and counterproductive to the team's mission statement.

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* StrawmanHasAPoint: Since her return, ComicBook/ScarletWitch has been attacked by several of her teammates for the events of ''ComicBook/HouseOfM'', even though ''Comicbook/TheChildrensCrusade'' established that she was possessed and manipulated by DoctorDoom.Doctor Doom. Her critics (namely TheVision and Rogue) are made to look like massive [[JerkAss Jerkasses]] for attacking her, but ''House of M'' wasn't the ''first'' time Wanda lost control of her powers. There is definitely some logic behind the idea that having her on the Comicbook/UncannyAvengers might be dangerous and counterproductive to the team's mission statement.
28th Dec '15 11:58:21 AM Anddrix
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** ''Avengers: The Children's Crusade'' for the Scarlet Witch's involvement in the mass depowering of the mutant race during ''ComicBook/HouseOfM by [[RetCon retconning these events to largely be down to]] [[TheChessmaster the manipulations of]] SelfDemonstrating/DoctorDoom.

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** ''Avengers: The Children's Crusade'' for the Scarlet Witch's involvement in the mass depowering of the mutant race during ''ComicBook/HouseOfM by [[RetCon retconning these events to largely be down to]] [[TheChessmaster the manipulations of]] SelfDemonstrating/DoctorDoom.Doctor Doom.
26th Dec '15 11:42:48 AM nombretomado
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* FridgeHorror: Janet Van Dyne/The Wasp is confronted by her boyfriend, Hank Pym, the original Ant-Man, posing as a someone else known as Yellow-Jacket, who claims to have murdered Pym and demands that Jan marry him. She does... and once Yellow-Jacket calms down and we learn that he's actually Hank, Jan reveals that she knew it was him all along but went with it anyway because she'd been trying to get him to marry her for years, so she took advantage of the chance to finally become his wife (second wife, technically). And none of the other Avengers seem to be bothered by the fact that Jan basically took advantage of Hank when he had clearly suffered some kind of psychotic break down just because she wanted to be Mrs. Pym. Granted, it was the SilverAge but even by SilverAge standards that is all kinds of unintentionally creepy. Of course, it blew up in Jan's face years later...

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* FridgeHorror: Janet Van Dyne/The Wasp is confronted by her boyfriend, Hank Pym, the original Ant-Man, posing as a someone else known as Yellow-Jacket, who claims to have murdered Pym and demands that Jan marry him. She does... and once Yellow-Jacket calms down and we learn that he's actually Hank, Jan reveals that she knew it was him all along but went with it anyway because she'd been trying to get him to marry her for years, so she took advantage of the chance to finally become his wife (second wife, technically). And none of the other Avengers seem to be bothered by the fact that Jan basically took advantage of Hank when he had clearly suffered some kind of psychotic break down just because she wanted to be Mrs. Pym. Granted, it was the SilverAge UsefulNotes/{{the Silver Age|of Comic Books}} but even by SilverAge Silver Age standards that is all kinds of unintentionally creepy. Of course, it blew up in Jan's face years later...
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