History YMMV / TheAvengers

21st Mar '17 12:54:12 PM hubakon1368
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** After poor writing for issue #200 made it seem like Ms. Marvel was brainwashed and raped, and we were supposed to see it as romantic, the following year saw her give a blistering WhatTheHellHero speech to the team for not realizing she was ''still'' brainwashed when she agreed to go off with the guy. Of course, the fact that the Avengers were made to look like straw men stand ins for Marvel's editorial staff was as also in poor taste, much like the story it was retconning.

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** After poor writing for issue #200 made it seem like Ms. Marvel was brainwashed and raped, and we were supposed to see it as romantic, the following year saw her give a blistering WhatTheHellHero speech to the team for not realizing she was ''still'' brainwashed when she agreed to go off with the guy. Of course, the fact that the Avengers were made to look like straw men stand ins for Marvel's editorial staff was as also in poor taste, much like the story it was retconning.
8th Jan '17 5:24:12 PM nombretomado
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* StrawmanHasAPoint: Since her return, ComicBook/ScarletWitch has been attacked by several of her teammates for the events of ''ComicBook/HouseOfM'', even though ''Comicbook/TheChildrensCrusade'' established that she was possessed and manipulated by Doctor Doom. Her critics (namely TheVision and Rogue) are made to look like massive [[JerkAss Jerkasses]] for attacking her, but ''House of M'' wasn't the ''first'' time Wanda lost control of her powers. There is definitely some logic behind the idea that having her on the Comicbook/UncannyAvengers might be dangerous and counterproductive to the team's mission statement.

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* StrawmanHasAPoint: Since her return, ComicBook/ScarletWitch has been attacked by several of her teammates for the events of ''ComicBook/HouseOfM'', even though ''Comicbook/TheChildrensCrusade'' established that she was possessed and manipulated by Doctor Doom. Her critics (namely TheVision ComicBook/TheVision and Rogue) are made to look like massive [[JerkAss Jerkasses]] for attacking her, but ''House of M'' wasn't the ''first'' time Wanda lost control of her powers. There is definitely some logic behind the idea that having her on the Comicbook/UncannyAvengers might be dangerous and counterproductive to the team's mission statement.
26th Dec '16 9:15:02 AM CumbersomeTercel
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26th Dec '16 9:15:01 AM CumbersomeTercel
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* HilariousInHindsight: Doesn't Steed look rather like UsefulNotes/DavidCameron in the page picture?

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Doesn't Steed look rather like UsefulNotes/DavidCameron in the page picture?



** In the episode ''From Venus, with Love'', JonPertwee plays [[Series/DoctorWho a brigadier]] [[spoiler: who's later killed by a laser beam fired by (supposed) Venusians]].

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** In the episode ''From Venus, with Love'', JonPertwee Creator//JonPertwee plays [[Series/DoctorWho a brigadier]] [[spoiler: who's later killed by a laser beam fired by (supposed) Venusians]].


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* RetroactiveRecognition: Young audiences will recognise Emma Peel as Olenna Tyrell in ''Series/GameOfThrones''.
26th Nov '16 6:26:00 AM Morgenthaler
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* DorkAge: The team in the immediate aftermath of Operation Galactic Storm. BobHarras wrote The Gatherers story well but the roster was horrible to the point where Black Knight, ComicBook/BlackWidow and Vision were the only popular characters on the team since ComicBook/CaptainAmerica and IronMan both decided to focus on solo adventures and Thor left soon afterwards while Wasp and HankPym both decided it would be a good time to go MIA. The West Coast Team fared slightly better with ComicBook/WarMachine, Hawkeye and ComicBook/ScarletWitch but the franchise was overrun with C-list heroes until Captain America rejoined the vanilla team at the same time that Deathcry joined who many consider to be the worst Avenger of all time. This led into the widely reviled (although well drawn) ''ComicBook/TheCrossing'' series which made IronMan evil then killed him and replaced him with his teenage self. It was a change so unpopular that it took killing the nearly entire roster of Avengers in the Onslaught crossover (exceptions being War Machine, Quicksilver, ComicBook/SpiderMan and partially the Hulk) to reboot them in the alternate ComicBook/HeroesReborn universe which proved so unpopular that Marvel performed a second reboot after only 12 issues. Thankfully KurtBusiek's reboot worked and restored the franchise to its former glory.
** After the widely loved KurtBusiek and GeoffJohns runs, ChuckAusten took over which was every bit as terrible as ''ComicBook/TheCrossing'' to the point where Creator/BrianMichaelBendis had to reboot the team yet again with ''ComicBook/AvengersDisassembled'' and was forced to put ComicBook/ScarletWitch on hiatus as a character for half a decade and then come up with retcons for various characters' behavior just to make ChuckAusten's work non-canon.

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The team in the immediate aftermath of Operation Galactic Storm. BobHarras wrote The Gatherers story well but the roster was horrible to the point where Black Knight, ComicBook/BlackWidow and Vision were the only popular characters on the team since ComicBook/CaptainAmerica and IronMan both decided to focus on solo adventures and Thor left soon afterwards while Wasp and HankPym both decided it would be a good time to go MIA. The West Coast Team fared slightly better with ComicBook/WarMachine, Hawkeye and ComicBook/ScarletWitch but the franchise was overrun with C-list heroes until Captain America rejoined the vanilla team at the same time that Deathcry joined who many consider to be the worst Avenger of all time. This led into the widely reviled (although well drawn) ''ComicBook/TheCrossing'' series which made IronMan evil then killed him and replaced him with his teenage self. It was a change so unpopular that it took killing the nearly entire roster of Avengers in the Onslaught crossover (exceptions being War Machine, Quicksilver, ComicBook/SpiderMan and partially the Hulk) to reboot them in the alternate ComicBook/HeroesReborn universe which proved so unpopular that Marvel performed a second reboot after only 12 issues. Thankfully KurtBusiek's Creator/KurtBusiek's reboot worked and restored the franchise to its former glory.
** After the widely loved KurtBusiek Creator/KurtBusiek and GeoffJohns Creator/GeoffJohns runs, ChuckAusten Creator/ChuckAusten took over which was every bit as terrible as ''ComicBook/TheCrossing'' to the point where Creator/BrianMichaelBendis had to reboot the team yet again with ''ComicBook/AvengersDisassembled'' and was forced to put ComicBook/ScarletWitch on hiatus as a character for half a decade and then come up with retcons for various characters' behavior just to make ChuckAusten's work non-canon.
1st Aug '16 11:26:30 PM Anddrix
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* BaseBreaker: Maria Hill may be the biggest example of one in the MarvelUniverse. Even her actress in the films happily referred to her as 'the biggest bitch in the Marvel Universe'. She's the woman who tried to arrest ''Captain America'' for reasons she wouldn't be able to arrest him for, going out of her way to sabotage others to get ahead, and generally being a jerk to everyone she meets while her competence as a SHIELD director leaving much to be desired. [[NiceJobBreakingItHero Her actions in]] ''ComicBook/SecretAvengers'' [[WhatTheHellHero do not]] [[KickTheDog help with this]]. ''However'', a good number of fans ''do'' sympathise with her, especially thanks to her CharacterDevelopment under Fraction's pen in ''Iron Man'' and the handling by MarkWaid in his ''Hulk'' work, and a number point out that Nick Fury is generally given a free pass for similar stunts while she gets derided [[note]]which, again, her actress acknowledges, pointing out the DoubleStandard of how when a guy does something cruel and morally questionable, he's a badass, but when a woman does it, she's just a bitch[[/note]]; not to mention, her clear guilt during ''Secret Avengers'' helps to at least humanize her and make it clear she's not OK betraying Mockingbird or Hulk (but not Daisy; she's happy screwing over Daisy).

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* BaseBreaker: BaseBreakingCharacter: Maria Hill may be the biggest example of one in the MarvelUniverse. Even her actress in the films happily referred to her as 'the biggest bitch in the Marvel Universe'. She's the woman who tried to arrest ''Captain America'' for reasons she wouldn't be able to arrest him for, going out of her way to sabotage others to get ahead, and generally being a jerk to everyone she meets while her competence as a SHIELD director leaving much to be desired. [[NiceJobBreakingItHero Her actions in]] ''ComicBook/SecretAvengers'' [[WhatTheHellHero do not]] [[KickTheDog help with this]]. ''However'', a good number of fans ''do'' sympathise with her, especially thanks to her CharacterDevelopment under Fraction's pen in ''Iron Man'' and the handling by MarkWaid in his ''Hulk'' work, and a number point out that Nick Fury is generally given a free pass for similar stunts while she gets derided [[note]]which, again, her actress acknowledges, pointing out the DoubleStandard of how when a guy does something cruel and morally questionable, he's a badass, but when a woman does it, she's just a bitch[[/note]]; not to mention, her clear guilt during ''Secret Avengers'' helps to at least humanize her and make it clear she's not OK betraying Mockingbird or Hulk (but not Daisy; she's happy screwing over Daisy).
15th Jul '16 1:15:10 PM Saveelich
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!![[Series/TheAvengers The TV series with Patrick Macnee]]

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!![[Series/TheAvengers The 1960s British TV series with Patrick Macnee]]series]]



* ReplacementScrappy: Tara King. Otherwise averted with Emma Peel, who is a little more fondly remembered than her predecessor - Cathy Gale.

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* ReplacementScrappy: Tara King. Otherwise averted with Emma Peel, who is a little more fondly remembered than her predecessor - Cathy Gale.
5th Mar '16 11:00:49 PM nombretomado
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* DorkAge: The team in the immediate aftermath of Operation Galactic Storm. BobHarras wrote The Gatherers story well but the roster was horrible to the point where Black Knight, ComicBook/BlackWidow and Vision were the only popular characters on the team since CaptainAmerica and IronMan both decided to focus on solo adventures and Thor left soon afterwards while Wasp and HankPym both decided it would be a good time to go MIA. The West Coast Team fared slightly better with ComicBook/WarMachine, Hawkeye and ComicBook/ScarletWitch but the franchise was overrun with C-list heroes until Captain America rejoined the vanilla team at the same time that Deathcry joined who many consider to be the worst Avenger of all time. This led into the widely reviled (although well drawn) ''ComicBook/TheCrossing'' series which made IronMan evil then killed him and replaced him with his teenage self. It was a change so unpopular that it took killing the nearly entire roster of Avengers in the Onslaught crossover (exceptions being War Machine, Quicksilver, ComicBook/SpiderMan and partially the Hulk) to reboot them in the alternate ComicBook/HeroesReborn universe which proved so unpopular that Marvel performed a second reboot after only 12 issues. Thankfully KurtBusiek's reboot worked and restored the franchise to its former glory.

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* DorkAge: The team in the immediate aftermath of Operation Galactic Storm. BobHarras wrote The Gatherers story well but the roster was horrible to the point where Black Knight, ComicBook/BlackWidow and Vision were the only popular characters on the team since CaptainAmerica ComicBook/CaptainAmerica and IronMan both decided to focus on solo adventures and Thor left soon afterwards while Wasp and HankPym both decided it would be a good time to go MIA. The West Coast Team fared slightly better with ComicBook/WarMachine, Hawkeye and ComicBook/ScarletWitch but the franchise was overrun with C-list heroes until Captain America rejoined the vanilla team at the same time that Deathcry joined who many consider to be the worst Avenger of all time. This led into the widely reviled (although well drawn) ''ComicBook/TheCrossing'' series which made IronMan evil then killed him and replaced him with his teenage self. It was a change so unpopular that it took killing the nearly entire roster of Avengers in the Onslaught crossover (exceptions being War Machine, Quicksilver, ComicBook/SpiderMan and partially the Hulk) to reboot them in the alternate ComicBook/HeroesReborn universe which proved so unpopular that Marvel performed a second reboot after only 12 issues. Thankfully KurtBusiek's reboot worked and restored the franchise to its former glory.
4th Mar '16 8:32:14 AM GrigorII
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* FunnyAneurysmMoment: In one of the first issues, the Wasp was flying and Ant-man was riding a flying ant. She told him that he should get some wings like hers, as they fly into the adventure. Several years later, Henry Pym does that... as an homage to the Wasp, who had just been killed during a failed Skrull invasion.
27th Feb '16 4:42:59 PM nombretomado
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* DorkAge: The team in the immediate aftermath of Operation Galactic Storm. BobHarras wrote The Gatherers story well but the roster was horrible to the point where Black Knight, BlackWidow and Vision were the only popular characters on the team since CaptainAmerica and IronMan both decided to focus on solo adventures and Thor left soon afterwards while Wasp and HankPym both decided it would be a good time to go MIA. The West Coast Team fared slightly better with ComicBook/WarMachine, Hawkeye and ComicBook/ScarletWitch but the franchise was overrun with C-list heroes until Captain America rejoined the vanilla team at the same time that Deathcry joined who many consider to be the worst Avenger of all time. This led into the widely reviled (although well drawn) ''ComicBook/TheCrossing'' series which made IronMan evil then killed him and replaced him with his teenage self. It was a change so unpopular that it took killing the nearly entire roster of Avengers in the Onslaught crossover (exceptions being War Machine, Quicksilver, ComicBook/SpiderMan and partially the Hulk) to reboot them in the alternate ComicBook/HeroesReborn universe which proved so unpopular that Marvel performed a second reboot after only 12 issues. Thankfully KurtBusiek's reboot worked and restored the franchise to its former glory.

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* DorkAge: The team in the immediate aftermath of Operation Galactic Storm. BobHarras wrote The Gatherers story well but the roster was horrible to the point where Black Knight, BlackWidow ComicBook/BlackWidow and Vision were the only popular characters on the team since CaptainAmerica and IronMan both decided to focus on solo adventures and Thor left soon afterwards while Wasp and HankPym both decided it would be a good time to go MIA. The West Coast Team fared slightly better with ComicBook/WarMachine, Hawkeye and ComicBook/ScarletWitch but the franchise was overrun with C-list heroes until Captain America rejoined the vanilla team at the same time that Deathcry joined who many consider to be the worst Avenger of all time. This led into the widely reviled (although well drawn) ''ComicBook/TheCrossing'' series which made IronMan evil then killed him and replaced him with his teenage self. It was a change so unpopular that it took killing the nearly entire roster of Avengers in the Onslaught crossover (exceptions being War Machine, Quicksilver, ComicBook/SpiderMan and partially the Hulk) to reboot them in the alternate ComicBook/HeroesReborn universe which proved so unpopular that Marvel performed a second reboot after only 12 issues. Thankfully KurtBusiek's reboot worked and restored the franchise to its former glory.
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