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TrevMUN
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06:43:07 AM Dec 4th 2012
edited by TrevMUN
Reverting this addition (the change emphasized in italics):

26th Sep '12 11:59:48 PM Black Templar
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** Some fans weren't happy with Cap's line about Thor ("There's only one God, ma'am, and I'm pretty sure He doesn't dress like that"), claiming that Joss Whedon was having a case of religious Writer on Board. Putting aside the fact that Cap has always been a deeply religious Christian (and therefore such a line isn't out of character for him), Joss Whedon himself is a staunch humanist who once derisively referred to the Abrahamic God as "the sky bully."
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** Some fans weren't happy with Cap's line about Thor ("There's only one God, ma'am, and I'm pretty sure He doesn't dress like that"), claiming that Joss Whedon was having a case of religious Writer on Board. Putting aside the fact that Cap has always been a deeply religious Christian (and therefore such a line isn't out of character for him), Joss Whedon himself is a staunch humanist who once derisively referred to the Abrahamic God as "the sky bully." Plus that kind of sentiment would have been common in the 1940's U.S. which is where Steve is from. The line goes more towards showing his antiquated sensibilities, possibly more than any other in the film.

I don't know if Black Templar was intentionally trying to invoke Outgrown Such Silly Superstitions as an offhand insult when he added this, but claiming that a character stating their adherence to a major world religion shows his "antiquated sensibilities" "more so than anything else in the film" is a glaring violation of the Rule of Cautious Editing Judgment to me.
ArkadyDarell
06:50:44 AM Dec 4th 2012
edited by ArkadyDarell
He's correct, though, in the sense that such a comment made casually/openly would have been more common in 1940 NYC than current-day NYC, and that it's meant to say something about Cap's personality specifically rather than be a generic comment anyone at all would have said. (I doubt any of the other Avengers or SHIELD people would have said it.) Cap's whole personality, remember, is that he's both old-fashioned—and that's not a bad thing in this case—and a modern-day Knight in Shining Armor.

I think you're reading more into it than was actually meant.
TrevMUN
06:53:38 AM Dec 4th 2012
edited by TrevMUN
No. If I were, I would be outright accusing him of doing it on purpose. I recognize it may have been badly worded and that it wasn't what he intended at all, but this still sounds like Flame Bait to me, intentionally or not.

Remember, there's still plenty of people who are open about their religious beliefs even in the modern day, and even in a place like modern-day New York City. There's nothing 1940's about that aspect at all.
KingZeal
06:56:55 AM Dec 4th 2012
Specifically, the word "antiquated" is what's problematic. Also, the addition would work better if it focused on Cap's lack of a "filter" or politically correct language, which is something that would be unheard of in the 40s.
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