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* UnintentionallySympathetic: Pre-''Identity Crisis'' Jean Loring's relationship with Ray, which includes two mental breakdowns. Ray's idea of revealing his secret identity to her is to do so the day before their wedding night, while also admitting he's been secretly helping her career in the hopes she'd marry him afterward. Jean calls him out on this and runs off, but the next day her 'bridesmaids' (who are actually all superheroines, a fact Jean is also in the dark on) put on the pressure that Jean should forgive Ray anyhow, even as Jean points out the severe lack of trust Ray's actions show.
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* TheWoobie: Palmer, after Jean cheating on him in the 80s, his adopted compatriots from ''Sword of the Atom'' being murdered by the US government in ''Power of the Atom'', and everything that happened in ''ComicBook/IdentityCrisis.''
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* TheWoobie: Palmer, after Jean cheating on him in the 80s, his adopted compatriots from ''Sword of the Atom'' being murdered by the US government in ''Power of the Atom'', and everything that happened in ''ComicBook/IdentityCrisis.''ComicBook/IdentityCrisis2004.''
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* AuthorsSavingThrow: Much of what is listed below under TheWoobie was undone in ''ComicBook/{{Convergence}}'' and ''ComicBook/DCRebirth.''
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*CantUnhearIt: It's hard not to imagine Ryan Choi not voiced by Creator/MatthewYangKing or Creator/EricBauza.
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* CommonKnowledge: It's widely believed that Grant Morrison created Ryan Choi, as the character's first two stories included the note "Based on ideas and concepts developed by Grant Morrison", which later disappeared. However, [[https://www.cbr.com/atom-ryan-choi-creator-gail-simone-grant-morrison/ Gail Simone has clarified]] that the character is entirely her creation, as she didn't read Morrison's story ideas.
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* CommonKnowledge: It's widely believed that Grant Morrison created Ryan Choi, Choi and Gail Simone developed him, as the character's first two stories included the note "Based on ideas and concepts developed by Grant Morrison", which later disappeared. However, [[https://www.cbr.com/atom-ryan-choi-creator-gail-simone-grant-morrison/ Gail Simone has clarified]] that the character Ryan Choi is entirely her creation, as she didn't read Morrison's story ideas.
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* CommonKnowledge: It's widely believed that Grant Morrison created Ryan Choi, as the character's first two stories included the note "Based on ideas and concepts developed by Grant Morrison", which later disappeared. However, [[https://www.cbr.com/atom-ryan-choi-creator-gail-simone-grant-morrison/ Gail Simone has clarified that the character is entirely her creation, as she didn't read Morrison's story ideas.
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* CommonKnowledge: It's widely believed that Grant Morrison created Ryan Choi, as the character's first two stories included the note "Based on ideas and concepts developed by Grant Morrison", which later disappeared. However, [[https://www.cbr.com/atom-ryan-choi-creator-gail-simone-grant-morrison/ Gail Simone has clarified clarified]] that the character is entirely her creation, as she didn't read Morrison's story ideas.
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* CommonKnowledge: It's widely believed that Grant Morrison created Ryan Choi, as the character's first two stories included the note "Based on ideas and concepts developed by Grant Morrison", which later disappeared. However, [[https://www.cbr.com/atom-ryan-choi-creator-gail-simone-grant-morrison/ Gail Simone has clarified that the character is entirely her creation, as she didn't read Morrison's story ideas.
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* AudienceAlienatingEra: For a short while in the 1990s, Ray was de-aged to a teenager and was placed in charge of a new incarnation of the Comicbook/TeenTitans. Fans reacted poorly, the ''Titans'' series was quickly cancelled, and Ray's de-aging was quietly undone.
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* AudienceAlienatingEra: For a short while in See [[AudienceAlienatingEra/TheDCU the 1990s, Ray was de-aged to a teenager and was placed in charge of a new incarnation of DCU page on the Comicbook/TeenTitans. Fans reacted poorly, the ''Titans'' series was quickly cancelled, and Ray's de-aging was quietly undone. topic]].
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* ValuesDissonance: The degree to which Al Pratt was bullied about his short stature in UsefulNotes/TheGoldenAgeOfComicBooks is a little less understandable these days. In in UsefulNotes/TheSilverAgeOfComicBooks, Jean Loring's refusal to marry Ray Palmer until she'd gotten a good start on her career was intended to be an unusual romantic obstacle at the time of publication but makes her a rather normal career woman in today's terms. (Of course, the stated reason Jean wants to have a career first is because she anticipates that she'll quit to StayInTheKitchen once she's actually married.)
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* ValuesDissonance: The degree to which Al Pratt was bullied about his short stature in UsefulNotes/TheGoldenAgeOfComicBooks is a little less understandable these days. In in UsefulNotes/TheSilverAgeOfComicBooks, Jean Loring's refusal to marry Ray Palmer until she'd gotten a good start on her career was intended to be an unusual romantic obstacle at the time of publication but makes her a rather normal career woman in today's terms. (Of course, the stated reason Jean wants to have a career first is because she anticipates that she'll quit to StayInTheKitchen once she's actually married.)
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* AudienceAlienatingEra: For a short while in the 1990s, Ray was de-aged to a teenager and was placed in charge of a new incarnation of the Comicbook/TeenTitans. Fans reacted poorly, the ''Titans'' series was quickly cancelled, and Ray's de-aging was quietly undone.
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* DorkAge: For a short while in the 1990s, Ray was de-aged to a teenager and was placed in charge of a new incarnation of the Comicbook/TeenTitans. Fans reacted poorly, the ''Titans'' series was quickly cancelled, and Ray's de-aging was quietly undone.
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* ValuesDissonance: The degree to which Al Pratt was bullied about his short stature in UsefulNotes/TheGoldenAgeOfComicBooks is a little less understandable these days. Inverted in UsefulNotes/TheSilverAgeOfComicBooks, where Jean Loring's refusal to marry Ray Palmer until she'd gotten a good start on her career was intended to be an unusual romantic obstacle at the time of publication but makes her a rather normal career woman in today's terms. (Of course, the stated reason Jean wants to have a career first is because she anticipates that she'll quit to StayInTheKitchen once she's actually married.)
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* ValuesDissonance: The degree to which Al Pratt was bullied about his short stature in UsefulNotes/TheGoldenAgeOfComicBooks is a little less understandable these days. Inverted In in UsefulNotes/TheSilverAgeOfComicBooks, where Jean Loring's refusal to marry Ray Palmer until she'd gotten a good start on her career was intended to be an unusual romantic obstacle at the time of publication but makes her a rather normal career woman in today's terms. (Of course, the stated reason Jean wants to have a career first is because she anticipates that she'll quit to StayInTheKitchen once she's actually married.)
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* CrowningMomentOfFunny: The strange family asks what the giant monsters attacking the town are. A random goth girl nearby overhears and identifies them, launching into a long speech about the history of the movie and studio they come from and her own evaluation of the special effects before finally adding, [[SelfDeprecation "Of course, the films have almost never been seen since the sixties—so only a total geek loser would even know who they are."]]
** Even better, Ryan promptly recognizes them and is ''ecstatic,'' calling them his favorites.
** Even better, Ryan promptly recognizes them and is ''ecstatic,'' calling them his favorites.
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** Even better, Ryan promptly recognizes them and is ''ecstatic,'' calling them his favorites.
** Even better, Ryan promptly recognizes them and is ''ecstatic,'' calling them his favorites.
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** Ryan Choi after he was dragged through an entire issue of being murdered by a group of C-List villains led by Deathstroke all to show how dangerous they were, and then later having his body delivered to Dwarfstar in a matchbox.
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** Ryan Choi after he was dragged through an entire issue of being murdered by a group of C-List villains led by Deathstroke all to show how dangerous they were, and then later having his body delivered to Dwarfstar in a matchbox.matchbox.
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* CrowningMomentOfFunny: The strange family asks what the giant monsters attacking the town are. A random goth girl nearby overhears and identifies them, launching into a long speech about the history of the movie and studio they come from and her own evaluation of the special effects before finally adding, [[SelfDeprecation "Of course, the films have almost never been seen since the sixties—so only a total geek loser would even know who they are."]]
** Even better, Ryan promptly recognizes them and is ''ecstatic,'' calling them his favorites.
** Even better, Ryan promptly recognizes them and is ''ecstatic,'' calling them his favorites.
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* TheWoobie: Palmer, after Jean cheating on him in the 80s, his adopted compatriots from ''Sword of the Atom'' being murdered by the US government in the 90s, and ''ComicBook/IdentityCrisis.''
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* TheWoobie: Palmer, after Jean cheating on him in the 80s, his adopted compatriots from ''Sword of the Atom'' being murdered by the US government in ''Power of the 90s, Atom'', and everything that happened in ''ComicBook/IdentityCrisis.''
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* TheWoobie: Palmer, after all Jean cheating on him in the crap they've put him through 80s, his adopted compatriots from ''Sword of the Atom'' being murdered by the US government in recent years.the 90s, and ''ComicBook/IdentityCrisis.''
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* AuthorsSavingThrow: Much of what is listed below was undone in ''ComicBook/{{Convergence}}'' and ''ComicBook/DCRebirth''.
* DorkAge: For a short while in the 1990s, Ray was de-aged to a teenager and was placed in charge of a new incarnation of the
Comicbook/TeenTitans. Fans reacted poorly, the ''Titans'' series was quickly cancelled, and Ray's de-aging was quietly undone.
* DorkAge: For a short while in the 1990s, Ray was de-aged to a teenager and was placed in charge of a new incarnation of the
Comicbook/TeenTitans. Fans reacted poorly, the ''Titans'' series was quickly cancelled, and Ray's de-aging was quietly undone.
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* AuthorsSavingThrow: Much of what is listed below was undone in ''ComicBook/{{Convergence}}'' and ''ComicBook/DCRebirth''.
''ComicBook/DCRebirth.''
* DorkAge: For a short while in the 1990s, Ray was de-aged to a teenager and was placed in charge of a new incarnation ofthe
the Comicbook/TeenTitans. Fans reacted poorly, the ''Titans'' series was quickly cancelled, and Ray's de-aging was quietly undone.
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* AuthorsSavingThrow: Much of what is listed below was undone in ''ComicBook/{{Convergence}}'' and ''ComicBook/DCRebirth''.
* DorkAge: For a short while in the 1990s, Ray was de-aged to a teenager and was placed in charge of a new incarnation ofthe the
Comicbook/TeenTitans. Fans reacted poorly, the ''Titans'' series was quickly cancelled, and Ray's de-aging was quietly undone.
* DorkAge: For a short while in the 1990s, Ray was de-aged to a teenager and was placed in charge of a new incarnation of
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** Ryan Choi usurped Palmer's Woobie status after he was dragged through an entire issue of being murdered by a group of C-List villains led by Deathstroke all to show how dangerous they were, and then later having his body delivered to Dwarfstar in a matchbox.
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* ValuesDissonance: The degree to which Al Pratt was bullied about his short stature in TheGoldenAgeOfComicBooks UsefulNotes/TheGoldenAgeOfComicBooks is a little less understandable these days. Inverted in TheSilverAgeOfComicBooks, UsefulNotes/TheSilverAgeOfComicBooks, where Jean Loring's refusal to marry Ray Palmer until she'd gotten a good start on her career was intended to be an unusual romantic obstacle at the time of publication but makes her a rather normal career woman in today's terms. (Of course, the stated reason Jean wants to have a career first is because she anticipates that she'll quit to StayInTheKitchen once she's actually married.)
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* DorkAge: For a short while in the 1990s, Ray was de-aged to a teenager and was placed in charge of a new incarnation of the Comicbook/TeenTitans. Fans reacted poorly, the ''Titans'' series was quickly cancelled, and Ray's de-aging was quickly quietly undone.
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** Ryan Choi usurped Palmer's Woobie status after he was dragged through an entire issue of being murdered by a group of C-List villains led by Deathstroke all to show how dangerous they were, and then later having his body delivered to Dwarfstar in a matchbox.
** Ryan Choi usurped Palmer's Woobie status after he was dragged through an entire issue of being murdered by a group of C-List villains led by Deathstroke all to show how dangerous they were, and then later having his body delivered to Dwarfstar in a matchbox.
