History YMMV / TheArtOfWar

16th Jun '18 5:49:15 AM costanton11
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* MagnificentBastard: This is a goal to which all generals should aspire. As the book notes:
-->"To win a hundred battles is not of the supreme excellence. To subdue one's enemy without fighting is the acme of skill."
14th Apr '18 7:19:14 AM YZQ
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* OlderThanTheyThink: ''The Art of War'' is frequently thought of as a fairly modern book. It is not -- general Sun lived in the sixth century BC (700-600 BC) and was a contemporary of Darius I of Persia and Confucius.

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* OlderThanTheyThink: ''The Art of War'' is frequently thought of as a fairly modern book. It is not -- general Sun lived in the sixth century BC (700-600 (600-500 BC) and was a contemporary of Darius I of Persia and Confucius.
28th Nov '17 5:54:08 PM nombretomado
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* ValuesDissonance: Today, some of the tactics he advocates would be considered ''[[TheLawsAndCustomsOfWar war crimes]]'' at worst and ''state-funded terrorism'' at best. See also TryingToCatchMeFightingDirty. Examples include [[ISurrenderSuckers pretending to set up truce talks to lure enemies into a trap]] and attacking the enemy without declaring war. This might be part of the whole point of the book being a CombatPragmatist but ethics still have a place in warfare. The central assumption behind pretty much the entire work is that the reader will remain in a superior position because of his adherence to these tenets. In real life, almost no one can maintain military and political dominance one hundred percent of the time, and doing things like staging false peace talks and attacking the enemy without declaring war would mean that your enemies would settle for nothing less than your annihilation. What qualifies as "pragmatic" has changed over the millennia. Also, it was written for one king in particular, but the work has since spread everywhere, making it no longer revolutionary knowledge by default.

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* ValuesDissonance: Today, some of the tactics he advocates would be considered ''[[TheLawsAndCustomsOfWar ''[[UsefulNotes/TheLawsAndCustomsOfWar war crimes]]'' at worst and ''state-funded terrorism'' at best. See also TryingToCatchMeFightingDirty. Examples include [[ISurrenderSuckers pretending to set up truce talks to lure enemies into a trap]] and attacking the enemy without declaring war. This might be part of the whole point of the book being a CombatPragmatist but ethics still have a place in warfare. The central assumption behind pretty much the entire work is that the reader will remain in a superior position because of his adherence to these tenets. In real life, almost no one can maintain military and political dominance one hundred percent of the time, and doing things like staging false peace talks and attacking the enemy without declaring war would mean that your enemies would settle for nothing less than your annihilation. What qualifies as "pragmatic" has changed over the millennia. Also, it was written for one king in particular, but the work has since spread everywhere, making it no longer revolutionary knowledge by default.
1st Nov '17 6:42:41 AM infernape612
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* HypeBacklash:
** Frequently advertised as ''the'' book about war, some point out that most of it is common sense. This may be ValuesDissonance as common sense may not have been as common back then.

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* HypeBacklash:
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HypeBacklash: Frequently advertised as ''the'' book about war, some point out that most of it is common sense. This may be ValuesDissonance as common sense may not have been as common back then.
12th Sep '17 10:57:21 AM Morgenthaler
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* ValuesDissonance: Today, some of the tactics he advocates would be considered ''[[TheLawsAndCustomsOfWar war crimes]]'' at worst and ''state-funded terrorism'' at best. See also TryingToCatchMeFightingDirty. Examples include [[ISurrenderSuckers pretending to set up truce talks to lure enemies into a trap]] and attacking the enemy without declaring war. This might be part of the whole point of the book being a CombatPragmatist but ethics still have a place in warfare. The central assumption behind pretty much the entire work is that the reader will remain in a superior position because of his adherence to these tenets. In real life, almost no one can maintain military and political dominance one hundred percent of the time, and doing things like staging false peace talks and attacking the enemy without declaring war would mean that your enemies would settle for nothing less than your annihilation. What qualifies as "pragmatic" has changed over the millennia.

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* ValuesDissonance: Today, some of the tactics he advocates would be considered ''[[TheLawsAndCustomsOfWar war crimes]]'' at worst and ''state-funded terrorism'' at best. See also TryingToCatchMeFightingDirty. Examples include [[ISurrenderSuckers pretending to set up truce talks to lure enemies into a trap]] and attacking the enemy without declaring war. This might be part of the whole point of the book being a CombatPragmatist but ethics still have a place in warfare. The central assumption behind pretty much the entire work is that the reader will remain in a superior position because of his adherence to these tenets. In real life, almost no one can maintain military and political dominance one hundred percent of the time, and doing things like staging false peace talks and attacking the enemy without declaring war would mean that your enemies would settle for nothing less than your annihilation. What qualifies as "pragmatic" has changed over the millennia.
millennia. Also, it was written for one king in particular, but the work has since spread everywhere, making it no longer revolutionary knowledge by default.
3rd Mar '17 1:36:07 PM LordOfTheSword
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* ValuesDissonance: Today, some of the tactics he advocates would be considered ''[[TheLawsAndCustomsOfWar war crimes]]'' at worst and ''state-funded terrorism'' at best. See also TryingToCatchMeFightingDirty. Examples include [[ISurrenderSuckers pretending to set up truce talks to lure enemies into a trap]] and attacking the enemy without declaring war. This might be part of the whole point of the book being a CombatPragmatist but ethics still have a place in warfare. The central assumption behind pretty much the entire work is that the reader will remain in a superior position because of his adherence to these tenets. In real life, almost no one can maintain military and political dominance one hundred percent of the time, and doing things like staging false peace talks and attacking the enemy without declaring war would mean that your enemies would settle for nothing less than your annihilation. What qualifies as "pragmatic" has changed over the years.

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* ValuesDissonance: Today, some of the tactics he advocates would be considered ''[[TheLawsAndCustomsOfWar war crimes]]'' at worst and ''state-funded terrorism'' at best. See also TryingToCatchMeFightingDirty. Examples include [[ISurrenderSuckers pretending to set up truce talks to lure enemies into a trap]] and attacking the enemy without declaring war. This might be part of the whole point of the book being a CombatPragmatist but ethics still have a place in warfare. The central assumption behind pretty much the entire work is that the reader will remain in a superior position because of his adherence to these tenets. In real life, almost no one can maintain military and political dominance one hundred percent of the time, and doing things like staging false peace talks and attacking the enemy without declaring war would mean that your enemies would settle for nothing less than your annihilation. What qualifies as "pragmatic" has changed over the years.
millennia.
3rd Mar '17 1:34:57 PM LordOfTheSword
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* OlderThanTheyThink: ''The Art of War'' is frequently thought of as a fairly modern book. It is not -- general Sun lived in the VI century BC and was a contemporary of Darius I of Persia and Confucius.

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* OlderThanTheyThink: ''The Art of War'' is frequently thought of as a fairly modern book. It is not -- general Sun lived in the VI sixth century BC (700-600 BC) and was a contemporary of Darius I of Persia and Confucius.
29th Dec '16 10:01:14 PM BenOfHouston
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* OlderThanTheyThink: ''The Art of War'' is frequently thought of as a fairly modern book. It is not -- general Sun lived in the VI century BC and was a contemporary of Darius I of Persia and Confucius. The book was written about fifty after his death.

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* OlderThanTheyThink: ''The Art of War'' is frequently thought of as a fairly modern book. It is not -- general Sun lived in the VI century BC and was a contemporary of Darius I of Persia and Confucius. The book was written about fifty after his death.
29th Dec '16 9:57:29 PM BenOfHouston
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* OlderThanTheyThink: ''The Art of War'' is frequently thought of as a fairly modern book. It is not -- general Sun lived in the VI century BC and was a contemporary of Darius I of Persia and Confucius. The book was written about two centuries after his death.

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* OlderThanTheyThink: ''The Art of War'' is frequently thought of as a fairly modern book. It is not -- general Sun lived in the VI century BC and was a contemporary of Darius I of Persia and Confucius. The book was written about two centuries fifty after his death.
29th Dec '16 9:55:51 PM BenOfHouston
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* OlderThanTheyThink: ''The Art of War'' is frequently thought of as a fairly modern book. It is not -- general Sun lived in the VI century BC and was a contemporary of Darius I of Persia and Confucius.

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* OlderThanTheyThink: ''The Art of War'' is frequently thought of as a fairly modern book. It is not -- general Sun lived in the VI century BC and was a contemporary of Darius I of Persia and Confucius. The book was written about two centuries after his death.
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