History YMMV / TheArtOfWar

29th Dec '16 10:01:14 PM BenOfHouston
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* OlderThanTheyThink: ''The Art of War'' is frequently thought of as a fairly modern book. It is not -- general Sun lived in the VI century BC and was a contemporary of Darius I of Persia and Confucius. The book was written about fifty after his death.

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* OlderThanTheyThink: ''The Art of War'' is frequently thought of as a fairly modern book. It is not -- general Sun lived in the VI century BC and was a contemporary of Darius I of Persia and Confucius. The book was written about fifty after his death.
29th Dec '16 9:57:29 PM BenOfHouston
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* OlderThanTheyThink: ''The Art of War'' is frequently thought of as a fairly modern book. It is not -- general Sun lived in the VI century BC and was a contemporary of Darius I of Persia and Confucius. The book was written about two centuries after his death.

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* OlderThanTheyThink: ''The Art of War'' is frequently thought of as a fairly modern book. It is not -- general Sun lived in the VI century BC and was a contemporary of Darius I of Persia and Confucius. The book was written about two centuries fifty after his death.
29th Dec '16 9:55:51 PM BenOfHouston
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* OlderThanTheyThink: ''The Art of War'' is frequently thought of as a fairly modern book. It is not -- general Sun lived in the VI century BC and was a contemporary of Darius I of Persia and Confucius.

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* OlderThanTheyThink: ''The Art of War'' is frequently thought of as a fairly modern book. It is not -- general Sun lived in the VI century BC and was a contemporary of Darius I of Persia and Confucius. The book was written about two centuries after his death.
1st Nov '16 10:03:19 AM OlfinBedwere
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* FightSceneFailure: Averted by the first film, which has some pretty decent action sequences. Zig-zagged by the second film, which has about as many poorly-executed sequences as good ones. Turned UpToEleven by the third, the action sequences in which generally tend to consist of people just standing around and firing their guns randomly, with background objects occasionally exploding for no obvious reason.



* Tearjerker: The deaths of [[spoiler: Jenna and Julia's friend and her mother.]]

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* Tearjerker: {{Sequelitis}}: The second film isn't especially good, but for a direct-to-DVD action film it could certainly have been worse. The third film, on the other hand, is much, MUCH worse, thanks to bizarre casting decisions, terrible action sequences and a massive IdiotPlot.
* {{Tearjerker}}:
The deaths of [[spoiler: Jenna and Julia's friend and her mother.]]
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3rd Oct '16 12:44:52 AM Morgenthaler
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* FunnyAneurysmMoment: The book was originally written for Helu, the ruler of the Kingdom of Wu. About fifty or so years after Sun Tzu's death, Wu was completely destroyed and absorbed by the Kingdom of Yue.
** Additional points when you consider that Helu's son and successor Fu Chai did many things that Sun Tzu (and ''The Art Of War'') would have frowned upon.

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* FunnyAneurysmMoment: The book was originally written for Helu, the ruler of the Kingdom of Wu. About fifty or so years after Sun Tzu's death, Wu was completely destroyed and absorbed by the Kingdom of Yue.
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Yue. Additional points when you consider that Helu's son and successor Fu Chai did many things that Sun Tzu (and ''The Art Of War'') would have frowned upon.
2nd Aug '16 3:06:19 AM dRoy
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* ValuesDissonance: Today, some of the tactics he advocates would be considered ''[[TheLawsAndCustomsOfWar war crimes]]'' at worst and ''state-funded terrorism'' at best. See also TryingToCatchMeFightingDirty. Examples include [[ISurrenderSuckers pretending to set up truce talks to lure enemies into a trap]] and attacking the enemy without declaring war.
** But then again, the whole point of the book is to be a CombatPragmatist and more importantly, [[TheStrategist a successful strategist]]. Morals have nothing to do with it. [[PragmatismTropes Drop what is unefficient : keep what is efficient.]]
** Morals, no, but ethics still have a place in warfare. The central assumption behind pretty much the entire work is that the reader will remain in a superior position because of his adherence to these tenets. In real life, almost no one can maintain military and political dominance one hundred percent of the time, and doing things like staging false peace talks and attacking the enemy without declaring war would mean that your enemies would settle for nothing less than your annihilation. What qualifies as "pragmatic" has changed over the years.

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* ValuesDissonance: Today, some of the tactics he advocates would be considered ''[[TheLawsAndCustomsOfWar war crimes]]'' at worst and ''state-funded terrorism'' at best. See also TryingToCatchMeFightingDirty. Examples include [[ISurrenderSuckers pretending to set up truce talks to lure enemies into a trap]] and attacking the enemy without declaring war.
** But then again,
war. This might be part of the whole point of the book is to be being a CombatPragmatist and more importantly, [[TheStrategist a successful strategist]]. Morals have nothing to do with it. [[PragmatismTropes Drop what is unefficient : keep what is efficient.]]
** Morals, no,
CombatPragmatist but ethics still have a place in warfare. The central assumption behind pretty much the entire work is that the reader will remain in a superior position because of his adherence to these tenets. In real life, almost no one can maintain military and political dominance one hundred percent of the time, and doing things like staging false peace talks and attacking the enemy without declaring war would mean that your enemies would settle for nothing less than your annihilation. What qualifies as "pragmatic" has changed over the years.
23rd Jun '16 8:50:35 PM Dancedom
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** Shaw lying that he's Eddie Murphy and doing a horrible impression of Alex Foly's laugh.

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** Shaw lying that he's Eddie Murphy and doing a horrible impression of Alex Foly's Axel Foley's laugh.
18th Jun '16 10:46:48 PM MrReviser121
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** Shaw taking out the assassin who killed [[spoiler: Jenna]] and the brief LoadAndLoadMontage.

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** Shaw taking out the assassin who killed [[spoiler: Jenna]] and the brief LoadAndLoadMontage.LockAndLoadMontage.
2nd Jun '16 12:57:44 PM Morgenthaler
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* OlderThanTheyThink: TheArtOfWar is frequently thought of as a fairly modern book. It is not -- general Sun lived in the VI century BC and was a contemporary of Darius I of Persia and Confucius.

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* OlderThanTheyThink: TheArtOfWar ''The Art of War'' is frequently thought of as a fairly modern book. It is not -- general Sun lived in the VI century BC and was a contemporary of Darius I of Persia and Confucius.
29th Apr '16 11:40:32 AM MrReviser121
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** Shaw lying he's Eddie Murphy and doing a horrible impression of Alex Foly's laugh.

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** Shaw lying that he's Eddie Murphy and doing a horrible impression of Alex Foly's laugh.
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