History YMMV / TheArtOfWar

5th May '15 9:11:52 AM Morgenthaler
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---- !!The movies: * DesignatedHero: Neil Shaw, to more and more of an extent as the series goes on. In the first film he's a competent enough agent, though kind of a {{Jerkass}}. In the second film he makes numerous basic errors of logic and judgement, and at the end he [[spoiler:casually murders his love interest]] just in the name of getting the villain to frame himself. The third film takes it UpToEleven, as he unknowingly takes the bad guy [[spoiler:or rather bad girl]] into his confidence, then ends up [[MoralEventHorizon killing at least a dozen or so South Korean intelligence agents]], before unwittingly facilitating the assassination of South Korea's U.N. representative and nearly getting the Secretary-General of the U.N. herself killed. After all that you'd think the Secretary-General would be only too happy to hand Shaw over to the South Korean authorities and let them hang him out to dry, but she instead ends the film by telling Shaw that he's the only person the U.N. can trust with their lives.
26th Nov '14 3:41:33 PM creader
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Trivia trope.
* ExecutiveMeddling: Not literally, but Sun Tzu acknowledges the dangers that might come if a head of state without military experience or training thinks he's hot shot and decides to meddle with the generals' plans and make the strategic decisions himself. It's why it's important for the general to stand up to the head of state if he immediately sees the flaws in his plans.
3rd May '14 4:55:14 AM MAI742
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* ExecutiveMeddling: Not literally, but Sun Tzu acknowledges the dangers that might come if a head of state without military experience or training thinks he's hot shot and decides to meddle with the generals' plans and make the strategic decisions himself. It's why it's important for the general to stand up to the head of state if he immediately sees the flaws in his plans.

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* OlderThanTheyThink: TheArtOfWar is frequently thought of as a fairly modern book. It is not -- general Sun lived in the VI century BC and was a contemporary of Darius I of Persia and Confucius.
26th Feb '14 6:30:06 AM CrimsonZephyr
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* Morals, no, but ethics still have a place in warfare. The central assumption behind pretty much the entire work is that the reader will remain in a superior position because of his adherence to these tenets. In real life, almost no one can maintain military and political dominance one hundred percent of the time, and doing things like staging false peace talks and attacking the enemy without declaring war would mean that your enemies would settle for nothing less than your annihilation. What qualifies as "pragmatic" has changed over the years.
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* ** Morals, no, but ethics still have a place in warfare. The central assumption behind pretty much the entire work is that the reader will remain in a superior position because of his adherence to these tenets. In real life, almost no one can maintain military and political dominance one hundred percent of the time, and doing things like staging false peace talks and attacking the enemy without declaring war would mean that your enemies would settle for nothing less than your annihilation. What qualifies as "pragmatic" has changed over the years.
26th Feb '14 6:29:53 AM CrimsonZephyr
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* Morals, no, but ethics still have a place in warfare. The central assumption behind pretty much the entire work is that the reader will remain in a superior position because of his adherence to these tenets. In real life, almost no one can maintain military and political dominance one hundred percent of the time, and doing things like staging false peace talks and attacking the enemy without declaring war would mean that your enemies would settle for nothing less than your annihilation. What qualifies as "pragmatic" has changed over the years.
23rd Jun '13 8:02:43 AM YZQ
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** Additional points when you consider that Helu's son and successor Fu Chai did many things that Sun Tzu (and ''The Art Of War'') had frowned upon.
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** Additional points when you consider that Helu's son and successor Fu Chai did many things that Sun Tzu (and ''The Art Of War'') had would have frowned upon.
23rd Jun '13 7:45:40 AM YZQ
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** Additional points when you consider that Helu's son and successor Fu Chai did many things that Sun Tzu (and ''The Art Of War'') had frowned upon, so much so that Sun Tzu himself left Wu before its destruction.
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** Additional points when you consider that Helu's son and successor Fu Chai did many things that Sun Tzu (and ''The Art Of War'') had frowned upon, so much so that Sun Tzu himself left Wu before its destruction.upon.
23rd Jun '13 7:43:47 AM YZQ
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** Additional points when you consider that Helu's son and successor Fu Chai did many things that Sun Tzu (and ''The Art Of War'') had frowned upon, so much so that Sun Tzu himself left Wu.
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** Additional points when you consider that Helu's son and successor Fu Chai did many things that Sun Tzu (and ''The Art Of War'') had frowned upon, so much so that Sun Tzu himself left Wu.Wu before its destruction.
23rd Jun '13 7:42:56 AM YZQ
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** Additional points when you consider that Helu's son and successor Fu Chai did many things that Sun Tzu (and ''The Art Of War'') had frowned upon, so much so that Sun Tzu himself left Wu.
19th May '13 3:41:38 AM Naryar
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** But then again, the whole point of the book is to be a CombatPragmatist and more importantly, {{TheStrategist a successful strategist}}. Morals have nothing to do with it. [[PragmatismTropes Drop what is unefficient : keep what is efficient.]]
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** But then again, the whole point of the book is to be a CombatPragmatist and more importantly, {{TheStrategist [[TheStrategist a successful strategist}}.strategist]]. Morals have nothing to do with it. [[PragmatismTropes Drop what is unefficient : keep what is efficient.]]
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