History YMMV / TeenTitans

25th Jun '17 2:15:39 PM StrangeThoughts
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* PeripheryDemographic: Despite ostensibly being a kids show, ''Teen Titans'' (like the Franchise/DCAnimatedUniverse) is very popular among teens and adults due to it's good action, clever writing, and surprisingly mature themes. This became a PeripheryHatedom when the WesternAnimation/TeenTitansGo reboot launched, which is ''definitely'' a kids show and a slapstick comedy that many view as being an insult to the original.
20th May '17 9:08:08 PM fusilcontrafusil
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*** For some specifics: take Cyborg and Raven. The former's popularity in this show (and a few other factors outside of it) have carried over into the comics and even boosted him all the way up to becoming ''a founding member of the '''Justice League''' '' come the New 52 launch. The latter a little less so, but after this show portrayals of Raven have skewed much closer to this show than her original comic appearances in terms of combative powers and appearances.

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*** For some specifics: take Cyborg and Raven. The former's popularity in this show (and a few other factors outside of it) have carried over into the comics and even boosted him all the way up to becoming ''a founding member of the '''Justice League''' '' come the New 52 launch. The latter a little less so, but after this show portrayals of Raven have skewed much closer to this show than her original comic appearances in terms of combative powers and appearances.physical appearance, going as far to have her reborn as a young teen after decades of being as old as Dick/Nightwing.



*** After the backlash against the writing of the Starfire's character in New 52 became too much DC wrote her out of ''Outlaws'' and gave her her own series. In it her physical appearance and attire is much closer to her cartoon counterparts' appearance. Her personality became something of an amalgam of her Pre-New 52 personality and her Cartoon personality, and her English skills are somewhere in between the two previous incarnations. Arguably she has now become the Titan who is most like her cartoon self.
** Comic-verse Beast Boy's inexorable slide into shallow CrouchingMoronHiddenBadass can largely be traced back to this show.

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*** After the backlash against the writing of the Starfire's character in New 52 became too much DC wrote her out of ''Outlaws'' and gave her her own series. In it her physical appearance and attire is much closer to her cartoon counterparts' appearance. Her personality became something of an amalgam of her Pre-New 52 personality and her Cartoon personality, and her English skills are somewhere in between the two previous incarnations. Arguably she has now become the Titan who is most like her cartoon self.
** Comic-verse Beast Boy's inexorable slide into shallow CrouchingMoronHiddenBadass can largely be traced back to this show. He has also aged down after slowly aging up since the 90s, and his alias has reverted after going by "Changeling" for decades, even during the Wolfman/Perez run.
14th May '17 12:49:58 PM ACW
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* CompleteMonster: [[KnightOfCerebus Slade]] [[note]]never called "ComicBook/{{Deathstroke}}" here[[/note]], one of the {{Big Bad}}s, was a cold, [[ManipulativeBastard manipulative]] criminal [[DiabolicalMastermind mastermind]]. Slade's main goal throughout the series was to find himself an apprentice whom he could mold into being just as cruel and ruthless as he was. First targeting Robin, Slade came up with various schemes to test the Boy Wonder's mettle before finally infecting Robin's friends with nanobots that would destroy them from the inside out should Robin not follow Slade's every command. When his plans for Robin were thwarted, Slade next turned his attention to Terra. Taking advantage of her status as an outsider who would never be accepted because of her destructive powers, Slade manipulated her into joining and befriending the Titans, betraying them and finally trying to kill them. After Terra finds herself in over her head while fighting the Titans and retreats, Slade physically abuses her for defying his orders. When Terra tries to quit her apprenticeship, Slade reveals that the suit he gave her to enhance her powers also gave him [[PeoplePuppets complete control over her body]] and vowed that he would never let her go. Though Slade dies when Terra rebels against him, he is eventually resurrected by the demonic OmnicidalManiac, Trigon, to act as the demon's [[TheDragon dragon]]. Slade took a vicious pleasure in his work towards the ensuring the apocalypse, [[MindRape mind raping]] Raven with visions of her destiny as the AntiChrist and selling out all of humanity to Trigon in exchange for Trigon giving him back his soul. Even when Slade rebels against Trigon, it isn't out of altruism, but because Trigon refused to honor their bargain.

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* CompleteMonster: While LighterAndSofter than [[ComicBook/TeenTitans the comic]], whenever [[VileVillainSaccharineShow these two]] show up, the tone [[KnightOfCerebus darkens significantly]].
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Slade]] [[note]]never called "ComicBook/{{Deathstroke}}" here[[/note]], one of the {{Big Bad}}s, was a cold, [[ManipulativeBastard manipulative]] criminal [[DiabolicalMastermind mastermind]]. Slade's main goal throughout the series was to find himself an apprentice whom he could mold into being just as cruel and ruthless as he was. First targeting Robin, Slade came up with various schemes to test the Boy Wonder's mettle before finally infecting Robin's friends with nanobots that would destroy them from the inside out should Robin not follow Slade's every command. When his plans for Robin were thwarted, Slade next turned his attention to Terra. Taking advantage of her status as an outsider who would never be accepted because of her destructive powers, Slade manipulated her into joining and befriending the Titans, betraying them and finally trying to kill them. After Terra finds herself in over her head while fighting the Titans and retreats, Slade [[WouldHitAGirl physically abuses her her]] for defying his orders. When Terra tries to quit her apprenticeship, Slade reveals that the suit he gave her to enhance her powers also gave him [[PeoplePuppets complete control over her body]] and vowed that he would never let her go. Though Slade dies when Terra rebels against him, he is eventually resurrected by the demonic OmnicidalManiac, Trigon, to act as the demon's [[TheDragon dragon]]. Slade took a vicious pleasure in his work towards the ensuring the apocalypse, [[MindRape mind raping]] Raven with visions of her destiny as the AntiChrist and selling out all of humanity to Trigon in exchange for Trigon giving him back his soul. Even when Slade rebels against Trigon, it isn't out of altruism, but because Trigon refused to honor their bargain.bargain.
** [[BigRedDevil Trigon]] the [[TheDreaded Terrible]] was the BigBad of Season 4 and [[ArchnemesisDad father]] of Raven. In the past he'd conceived Raven solely to serve as a HumanSacrifice to become his portal into the realm of mortals so that he could [[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt destroy the Earth and all life on it]], just as he did to Raven's homeworld of Azarath, and Raven has been repressing her powers and emotions in order to avoid letting this come to pass. After Slade died in Season 2, Trigon rescued him from Purgatory and [[DealWithTheDevil offered him his life back were he to serve him]] in bringing Raven to [[TheAntichrist her destiny]]. Trigon later comes to Raven in a vision, [[AbusiveParents emotionally abusing her]] and cruelly attempts to [[BreakThemByTalking break her will so that she submits to his demands of her]]. When Slade asks for his promised payment, Trigon calls the deal off because, thanks to Trigon's own [[ManipulativeBastard manipulation]], Raven had come to him willingly [[ExactWords rather than Slade delivering her to him]], and Trigon attempts to [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness incinerate Slade]] on the spot. Trigon then [[ApocalypseHow destroys the world]] immediately as he arrives, turning all mortal life to [[TakenForGranite stone]] and creating a HellOnEarth for him to reign over. He then plots to [[OmnicidalManiac expand this destruction to all worlds in the dimension so that he could conquer the universe]] and [[AGodAmI all would worship him as a deity]], and when the Titans fight back, he not only brings out their own dark sides to torment them [[ForTheEvulz for his amusement]], but he tries to [[OffingTheOffspring murder his daughter]], whom he openly deems to be worthless.
10th May '17 6:21:13 AM Austin
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** In "Birthmark" Raven says that Robin knows her better than anyone. While the two have similar personalities, Robin was actually the Titan Raven had the ''least'' interaction with up to that point. Anytime the two spoke it tended to be a brief interaction, while Raven had several episodes devoted to her relationships with the other Titans. The relationship between the pair played a big role in the season 4 arc, but the writers treated it as something that had already been established, which wasn't the case.
*** This might, "might" being the key word here, be an allusion to the events of [[{{Recap/TeenTitansS3E5Haunted}} Haunted]] wherein she briefly mind-melded with Robin and got a glimpse of his past with the implication being that during this, Robin got to see her past as well. The set up however isn't exactly well executed since that after that sequence they still shared very little meaningful screen time; and comes off like an AssPull anyway as a result.
9th May '17 3:41:12 PM WelcomeToYourTape
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** In "Birthmark" Raven says that Robin knows her better than anyone. While the two have similar personalities, Robin was actually the Titan Raven had the ''least'' interaction with up to that point. Anytime the two spoke it tended to be a brief interaction, while Raven had several episodes devoted to her relationships with the other Titans. The relationship between the pair played a big role in the season 4 arc, but the writers treated it as something that had already been established, which wasn't the case.
*** This might, "might" being the key word here, be an allusion to the events of [[{{Recap/TeenTitansS3E5Haunted}} Haunted]] wherein she briefly mind-melded with Robin and got a glimpse of his past with the implication being that during this, Robin got to see her past as well. The set up however isn't exactly well executed since that after that sequence they still shared very little meaningful screen time; and comes off like an AssPull anyway as a result.
9th May '17 5:40:54 AM SarcasmKid
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* NeverLiveItDown: Roy's heroin abuse, which was only present for one issue of Green Arrow and then followed by him going cold turkey. It doesn't help that following Lian's death he's gone back to using it.

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Roy's heroin abuse, which was only present for one issue of Green Arrow and then followed by him going cold turkey. It doesn't help that following Lian's death he's gone back to using it.it.
** While there are ''many'' reasons to snark about how bad Eric Wallace's run was, absolutely no one is ever going to forget how Cinder burned off a man's dick with her vagina. It also doesn't help that this is probably the ''only'' interesting thing about Cinder.
7th May '17 7:11:56 AM Anicomicgeek
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* CantUnhearIt: After this show, there's a very good chance you'll be imagining Creator/KharyPayton as Cyborg, Creator/TaraStrong as Raven, Creator/GregCipes as Beast Boy, Creator/ScottMenville as Robin, and Creator/HyndenWalch as Starfire when you read the comics.
30th Apr '17 8:18:26 AM Isaac_Heller
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** Danny Chase was universally loathed by fans within a few issues of his first appearance. He was a CousinOliver (he even ''looked'' like the original Cousin Oliver) introduced to make the team seem younger, as he was only in his early teens while everyone else was pushing 20. Despite his age, he constantly argued with the other members of the team, criticized them, was supposed to be a genius superspy teenager with telekinetic powers, but then went crazy with fear whenever an actual fight took place. And when Dick was distraught at the death of Jason Todd, Danny said it was no big deal because Jason 'knew the risks'. The only people who didn't seem to grasp how loathed this character was was writer Marv Wolfman who, to this day, still insists it was the readers' fault for not "getting the character," and [[WebVideo/AtopTheFourthWall Linkara]], who calls Danny his favorite Titan in his look at the Titans history during March 2013.

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** Danny Chase was universally loathed by fans within a few issues of his first appearance. He was a CousinOliver (he even ''looked'' like the original Cousin Oliver) introduced to make the team seem younger, as he was only in his early teens while everyone else was pushing 20. Despite his age, he constantly argued with the other members of the team, criticized them, was supposed to be a genius superspy teenager with telekinetic powers, but then went crazy with fear whenever an actual fight took place. And when Dick was distraught at the death of Jason Todd, Danny said it was no big deal because Jason 'knew the risks'. The only people who didn't seem to grasp how loathed this character was was writer Marv Wolfman who, to this day, still insists it was the readers' fault for not "getting the character," and [[WebVideo/AtopTheFourthWall Linkara]], who calls Danny his favorite Titan in his look at the Titans history during March in 2013.
30th Apr '17 8:17:34 AM Isaac_Heller
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** Danny Chase was universally loathed by fans within a few issues of his first appearance. He was a CousinOliver (he even ''looked'' like the original Cousin Oliver) introduced to make the team seem younger, as he was only in his early teens while everyone else was pushing 20. Despite his age, he constantly argued with the other members of the team, criticized them, was supposed to be a genius superspy teenager with telekinetic powers, but then went crazy with fear whenever an actual fight took place. And when Dick was distraught at the death of Jason Todd, Danny said it was no big deal because Jason 'knew the risks'.
The only people who didn't seem to grasp how loathed this character was was writer Marv Wolfman who, to this day, still insists it was the readers' fault for not "getting the character," and [[WebVideo/AtopTheFourthWall Linkara]], who calls Danny his favorite Titan in his look at the Titans history during March 2013.

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** Danny Chase was universally loathed by fans within a few issues of his first appearance. He was a CousinOliver (he even ''looked'' like the original Cousin Oliver) introduced to make the team seem younger, as he was only in his early teens while everyone else was pushing 20. Despite his age, he constantly argued with the other members of the team, criticized them, was supposed to be a genius superspy teenager with telekinetic powers, but then went crazy with fear whenever an actual fight took place. And when Dick was distraught at the death of Jason Todd, Danny said it was no big deal because Jason 'knew the risks'. \n The only people who didn't seem to grasp how loathed this character was was writer Marv Wolfman who, to this day, still insists it was the readers' fault for not "getting the character," and [[WebVideo/AtopTheFourthWall Linkara]], who calls Danny his favorite Titan in his look at the Titans history during March 2013.
30th Apr '17 8:17:03 AM Isaac_Heller
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** Danny Chase was universally loathed by fans within a few issues of his first appearance. He was a CousinOliver (he even ''looked'' like the original Cousin Oliver) introduced to make the team seem younger, as he was only in his early teens while everyone else was pushing 20. Despite his age, he constantly argued with the other members of the team, criticized them, was supposed to be a genius superspy teenager with telekinetic powers, but then went crazy with fear whenever an actual fight took place. And when Dick was distraught at the death of Jason Todd, Danny said it was no big deal because Jason 'knew the risks'. The only person who didn't seem to grasp how loathed this character was was writer Marv Wolfman who, to this day, still insists it was the readers' fault for not "getting the character",
*** As a tip, in a series about costumed superheroes with codenames, whose fans presumably enjoy reading about costumed superheroes with codenames, having a character who continually goes on about how lame costumes and codenames are and how he's too cool for a costume or codename probably isn't going to go down too well.
*** It also hurt that Marv Wolfman had no idea how to write a telekinetic to complement the Titans' diverse power set. Chase's powers were mainly shown to be (at best) extremely limited: at best he could levitate himself (but only while sitting Indian-style) and throw small objects around at bad guys to annoy them. Jean Grey he wasn't; this combined with his wussy behavior during combat, made him practically useless in battle. As bad as Cypher was power-wise, at least he had training in hand-to-hand combat and was willing to take a bullet for his teammates when necessary along with his death being an AlasPoorScrappy moment and when he was BackFromTheDead, he became RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap, while Danny's death was considered a CrowningMomentOfAwesome than an AlasPoorScrappy moment since fans didn't feel sorry for him when he was killed off in ''ComicBook/TitansHunt''.
** The second Wonder Girl, Cassie Sandsmark, was felt to be this after she became team leader in ''Teen Titans'' volume 3. While talked up as a leader by the writers, Cassie didn't really do all that much and more page time was often given to her acting obnoxiously condescending or being a {{Jerkass}} to her boyfriend. Fans also felt insulted when Felicia Henderson brought Beast Boy back to the team: Rather than give him his leader role back, Henderson had Cassie continue to be leader while lacking any character development, while the older and more experienced Gar was demoted to obnoxious comic relief and treated as if he were younger.

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** Danny Chase was universally loathed by fans within a few issues of his first appearance. He was a CousinOliver (he even ''looked'' like the original Cousin Oliver) introduced to make the team seem younger, as he was only in his early teens while everyone else was pushing 20. Despite his age, he constantly argued with the other members of the team, criticized them, was supposed to be a genius superspy teenager with telekinetic powers, but then went crazy with fear whenever an actual fight took place. And when Dick was distraught at the death of Jason Todd, Danny said it was no big deal because Jason 'knew the risks'.
The only person people who didn't seem to grasp how loathed this character was was writer Marv Wolfman who, to this day, still insists it was the readers' fault for not "getting the character",
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character," and [[WebVideo/AtopTheFourthWall Linkara]], who calls Danny his favorite Titan in his look at the Titans history during March 2013.
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As a tip, in a series about costumed superheroes with codenames, whose fans presumably enjoy reading about costumed superheroes with codenames, having a character who continually goes on about how lame costumes and codenames are and how he's too cool for a costume or codename probably isn't going to go down too well.
*** ** It also hurt that Marv Wolfman had no idea how to write a telekinetic to complement the Titans' diverse power set. Chase's powers were mainly shown to be (at best) extremely limited: at best he could levitate himself (but only while sitting Indian-style) and throw small objects around at bad guys to annoy them. Jean Grey he wasn't; this combined with his wussy behavior during combat, made him practically useless in battle. As bad as Cypher was power-wise, at least he had training in hand-to-hand combat and was willing to take a bullet for his teammates when necessary along with necessary.
** Deathstroke was also Wolfman's Creator's Pet for most of
his death being an AlasPoorScrappy moment run. When George Perez left ''The New Teen Titans'', Wolfman had free reign over Deathstroke's character, and when it seemed that he had no objectivity where he was BackFromTheDead, he concerned. In a very jarring, sudden turn of events, Deathstroke became RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap, while Danny's a KarmaHoudini for his actions, his [[CharacterizationMarchesOn earlier characterization forgotten]] and now established as an AntiVillain who bore the Titans no ill will[[note]](When Perez was still on the title, Deathstroke blamed the Titans for his son's death and took very clear, visible pleasure in setting them up to be betrayed and murdered)[[/note]] turned AntiHero, being EasilyForgiven and becoming a father-figure and ''friend'' of the Titans, including his biggest victims Nightwing, Changeling, and his own son Jericho who was considered a CrowningMomentOfAwesome than an AlasPoorScrappy moment since fans didn't feel sorry for him when rendered mute because of him. Wolfman has also stated repeatedly that he was killed off never saw Deathstroke as a villain, but as a victim of circumstance stuck in ''ComicBook/TitansHunt''.
a bad situation, whose actions (including [[UnfortunateImplications sleeping with a teenage girl]]) weren't truly his fault.
** The second Wonder Girl, ComicBook/WonderGirl, Cassie Sandsmark, was felt to be this after she became team leader in ''Teen Titans'' volume 3. While talked up as a leader by the writers, Cassie didn't really do all that much and more page time was often given to her acting obnoxiously condescending or being a {{Jerkass}} to her boyfriend. Fans also felt insulted when Felicia Henderson brought Beast Boy back to the team: Rather than give him his leader role back, Henderson had Cassie continue to be leader while lacking any character development, while the older and more experienced Gar was demoted to obnoxious comic relief and treated as if he were younger.
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