History YMMV / TeenTitans

19th Jan '18 11:37:51 PM NightShade96
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** ''YMMV/TeenTitansGoToTheMovies''
11th Jan '18 2:21:55 AM ACW
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** [[BigRedDevil Trigon the Terrible]], ComicBook/{{Raven}}'s ArchnemesisDad and a GodOfEvil, is an interdimensional [[DemonLordsAndArchDevils demonic overlord]] who reigns over an empire where countless souls are kept in horrible bondage, with those who dare to resist--"resistance" can be defined as "don't do as ordered quick enough"--being ruthlessly exterminated. [[EnfantTerrible As an infant]], Trigon slaughtered the very {{cult}} responsible for his birth, [[{{Matricide}} including his own mother]], before conquering his home world. When he was six, he destroyed his home world and began traveling across the universe to expand his rule. By the time he was thirty, [[DimensionLord Trigon had conquered his entire dimension and several million worlds]]. Trigon has sired many children across the centuries, [[OffingTheOffspring destroying any who dare to oppose him]]. Seeking to expand his dominion to Earth, Trigon took the form of a handsome man and impregnated a woman named Arella, revealing his true form and taunting her afterwards. After his daughter Raven's birth, [[AbusiveParents Trigon would make numerous attempts to subjugate her to his will]]. When she refused to join him, Trigon destroyed her home world, Azarath, before [[TheCorrupter corrupting Raven's soul]] and launching a campaign of destruction on Earth, forcing Raven to do battle with her own friends. During his [[ComicBook/TheTerrorOfTrigon invasion of Earth]], Trigon reduced the island of New York to a graveyard, [[AndIMustScream fusing the bodies of four million inhabitants together as part of an ever-growing spire of writhing, tormented souls]]. Trigon ultimately intended to merge Earth with his own dimension, [[OmnicidalManiac happily condemning billions of lives to annihilation]]. Willing to exterminate entire worlds to make an example, and with trillions of deaths to his name, Trigon is the most terrifying and wicked foe the Teen Titans have ever faced.

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** [[BigRedDevil **[[BigRedDevil Trigon the Terrible]], ComicBook/{{Raven}}'s the ArchnemesisDad of ComicBook/{{Raven}} and a GodOfEvil, is an interdimensional [[DemonLordsAndArchDevils demonic overlord]] who reigns over an empire where countless souls are kept in horrible bondage, with those who dare to resist--"resistance" can be defined as "don't do as ordered quick enough"--being ruthlessly exterminated. [[EnfantTerrible As an infant]], infant, Trigon slaughtered the very {{cult}} cult responsible for his birth, [[{{Matricide}} including his own mother]], before conquering his home world. When he was six, he destroyed his home world and began traveling across the universe to expand his rule. By the time he was thirty, [[DimensionLord Trigon had conquered his entire dimension and several million worlds]].worlds. Trigon has sired many children across the centuries, [[OffingTheOffspring destroying any who dare to oppose him]]. Seeking to expand his dominion to Earth, Trigon took the form of a handsome man and impregnated a woman named Arella, revealing his true form and taunting her afterwards. After his daughter Raven's birth, [[AbusiveParents Trigon would make numerous attempts to subjugate her to his will]]. will. When she refused to join him, Trigon destroyed her home world, Azarath, before [[TheCorrupter corrupting Raven's soul]] soul and launching a campaign of destruction on Earth, forcing Raven to do battle with her own friends. During his [[ComicBook/TheTerrorOfTrigon invasion of Earth]], Trigon reduced the island of New York to a graveyard, [[AndIMustScream fusing the bodies of four million inhabitants together as part of an ever-growing spire of writhing, tormented souls]]. souls. Trigon ultimately intended to merge Earth with his own dimension, [[OmnicidalManiac happily condemning billions of lives to annihilation]].annihilation. Willing to exterminate entire worlds to make an example, and with trillions of deaths to his name, Trigon is the most terrifying and wicked foe the Teen Titans have ever faced.
8th Jan '18 6:38:13 PM BatmanKalEl
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*** This is probably because the first fight, they caught the Titans off guard. The only thing that the HIVE kids are trained to do is repeat the same strategies over and over again, without making any judgment calls or creative plans. As anyone can tell you, this does perfectly fine in an academic setting, but in the real world things DON'T always go as you plan, and then all the strategy in the world won't help. The Titans are capable of innovation and creativity, but HIVE seems to be only capable of "Repeat Pattern Alpha" and just doing that over and over.
*** Then again, the Titans noticeably grow in terms of skill, power and teamwork over the show's run. Jinx seems to be the only member of the HIVE Five interested in something other than using their powers for petty gain once the structure of the HIVE Academy is taken away from them.
8th Jan '18 6:27:42 PM BatmanKalEl
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* BadassDecay:
** Brother Blood. Even though his power level actually seemed to go ''up'' with each appearance, his personality became increasingly [[LargeHam hammy]], petulant, and single-mindedly obsessed with Cyborg, which noticeably hurt his overall effectiveness as a villain.
** Also very observable with the HIVE kids. In their first couple of appearances, they're the EvilCounterpart team to the Titans and can fight them evenly (and beat them without too much trouble if they play their cards right), but as time goes on they become complete jokes to the point that [[DarkActionGirl Jinx]], who remained the most competent, finally jumped ship and [[HeelFaceTurn became a hero]].
*** This is probably because the first fight, they caught the Titans off guard. The only thing that the HIVE kids are trained to do is repeat the same strategies over and over again, without making any judgment calls or creative plans. As anyone can tell you, this does perfectly fine in an academic setting, but in the real world things DON'T always go as you plan, and then all the strategy in the world won't help. The Titans are capable of innovation and creativity, but HIVE seems to be only capable of "Repeat Pattern Alpha" and just doing that over and over.
*** Then again, the Titans noticeably grow in terms of skill, power and teamwork over the show's run. Jinx seems to be the only member of the HIVE Five interested in something other than using their powers for petty gain once the structure of the HIVE Academy is taken away from them.
** Slade inverts this. Normally being DemotedToDragon makes a villain less of a threat, but he actually become more of a threat during this period.



* VillainDecay:
** Brother Blood. Even though his power level actually seemed to go ''up'' with each appearance, his personality became increasingly [[LargeHam hammy]], petulant, and single-mindedly obsessed with Cyborg, which noticeably hurt his overall effectiveness as a villain.
** Also very observable with the HIVE kids. In their first couple of appearances, they're the EvilCounterpart team to the Titans and can fight them evenly (and beat them without too much trouble if they play their cards right), but as time goes on they become complete jokes to the point that [[DarkActionGirl Jinx]], who remained the most competent, finally jumped ship and [[HeelFaceTurn became a hero]].
*** This is probably because the first fight, they caught the Titans off guard. The only thing that the HIVE kids are trained to do is repeat the same strategies over and over again, without making any judgment calls or creative plans. As anyone can tell you, this does perfectly fine in an academic setting, but in the real world things DON'T always go as you plan, and then all the strategy in the world won't help. The Titans are capable of innovation and creativity, but HIVE seems to be only capable of "Repeat Pattern Alpha" and just doing that over and over.
*** Then again, the Titans noticeably grow in terms of skill, power and teamwork over the show's run. Jinx seems to be the only member of the HIVE Five interested in something other than using their powers for petty gain once the structure of the HIVE Academy is taken away from them.
** Slade inverts this. Normally being DemotedToDragon makes a villain less of a threat, but he actually become more of a threat during this period.
8th Jan '18 6:25:31 PM BatmanKalEl
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* FridgeBrilliance: When [[WoobieDestroyerofWorlds Raven]] is not actively controlling her powers, they almost immediately become destructive. None of the other characters' powers really behave this way, suggesting that her abilities' default purpose is to [[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt obliterate everything in the general vicinity]]. This makes perfect sense...considering that her father is [[BigBad essentially DC Comics' version of the Devil]].
7th Jan '18 3:32:57 AM azul120
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** The writing of the season 3 episode "The Beast Within" is ''terribly'' inconsistent about what's actually going on, including the question of how much of or even ''whether'' Beast Boy's [[TookALevelInJerkass ugly behavior]] is actually [[FreakOut his]] [[TheCorruption own]] [[PowerIncontinence fault]].

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** The writing of the season 3 episode "The Beast Within" is ''terribly'' inconsistent about what's actually going on, including the question of how much of or even ''whether'' Beast Boy's [[TookALevelInJerkass [[JerkassBall ugly behavior]] is actually [[FreakOut his]] [[TheCorruption own]] [[PowerIncontinence fault]].


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* OlderThanTheyThink: More than a few story threads, most notably Terra. (See AudienceColoringAdaptation.)


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* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: While the results were ultimately good, some fans were still left disappointed in comparison to the original comics, or heck, the main DC universe that had really pushed the bar in terms of animation and overall comic book adaptation. In spite of several serious storylines, there were notable changes made for a more kid friendly show, such as Terra being less of a villain, or BigBad Slade being stripped of any [[AntiVillain sympathetic motivations]], which were all one thing, but the anime-ish pratfalls seemed outright pandering if not outright narm-y.
23rd Dec '17 7:17:12 PM jeffreyloonychen
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** Val-Yor from the episode, ''Troq'' was seen smiling as he left earth. Was he smiling that he's relieved to leave a planet full of Tamaranean sympathizers who called him out for his FantasticRacism and smirking for being better then them? Or was he really, deep down, [[PetTheDog thankful that Starfire saved him]] and [[HeelFaceTurn is slowly changing his views]]? Or is he [[NobleBigot still racist against the Tamaraneans, but proud of the Titans for standing up for their friend]]?

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** Val-Yor from the episode, ''Troq'' was seen smiling as he left earth. Was he smiling that he's relieved to leave a planet full of Tamaranean sympathizers who called him out for his FantasticRacism and smirking for being better then them? Or was he really, [[HiddenHeartOfGold deep down, down]], [[PetTheDog thankful that Starfire saved him]] and [[HeelFaceTurn is slowly changing his views]]? Or is he [[NobleBigot still racist against the Tamaraneans, but proud of the Titans for standing up for their friend]]?
23rd Dec '17 7:16:05 PM jeffreyloonychen
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** Val-Yor from the episode, ''Troq'' was seen smiling as he left earth. Was he smiling that he's leaving a planet full of Tamaranean sympathizers who called him out for his FantasticRacism? Or was he really, deep down, thankful that Starfire saved him and is slowly changing his views? Or is he still racist against the Tamaraneans, but proud of the Titans for standing up for their friend?

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** Val-Yor from the episode, ''Troq'' was seen smiling as he left earth. Was he smiling that he's leaving he's relieved to leave a planet full of Tamaranean sympathizers who called him out for his FantasticRacism? FantasticRacism and smirking for being better then them? Or was he really, deep down, [[PetTheDog thankful that Starfire saved him him]] and [[HeelFaceTurn is slowly changing his views? views]]? Or is he [[NobleBigot still racist against the Tamaraneans, but proud of the Titans for standing up for their friend?friend]]?
14th Dec '17 6:26:06 AM ACW
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** [[TheChessmaster Slade]] [[note]]never called "ComicBook/{{Deathstroke}}" here[[/note]], one of the {{Big Bad}}s, was a cold, [[ManipulativeBastard manipulative]] criminal [[DiabolicalMastermind mastermind]]. Slade's main goal throughout the series was to find himself an apprentice whom he could mold into being just as cruel and ruthless as he was. First targeting Robin, Slade came up with various schemes to test the Boy Wonder's mettle before finally infecting Robin's friends with nanobots that would destroy them from the inside out should Robin not follow Slade's every command. When his plans for Robin were thwarted, Slade next turned his attention to Terra. Taking advantage of her status as an outsider who would never be accepted because of her destructive powers, Slade manipulated her into joining and befriending the Titans, betraying them and finally trying to kill them. After Terra finds herself in over her head while fighting the Titans and retreats, Slade [[WouldHitAGirl physically abuses her]] for defying his orders. When Terra tries to quit her apprenticeship, Slade reveals that the suit he gave her to enhance her powers also gave him [[PeoplePuppets complete control over her body]] and vowed that he would never let her go. Though Slade dies when Terra rebels against him, he is eventually resurrected by the demonic OmnicidalManiac, Trigon, to act as the demon's [[TheDragon dragon]]. Slade took a vicious pleasure in his work towards the ensuring the apocalypse, [[MindRape mind raping]] Raven with visions of her destiny as the AntiChrist and selling out all of humanity to Trigon in exchange for Trigon giving him back his soul. Even when Slade rebels against Trigon, it isn't out of altruism, but because Trigon refused to honor their bargain.

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** [[TheChessmaster Slade]] [[note]]never called "ComicBook/{{Deathstroke}}" here[[/note]], one of the {{Big Bad}}s, was a cold, [[ManipulativeBastard manipulative]] criminal [[DiabolicalMastermind mastermind]]. Slade's main goal throughout the series was to find himself an apprentice whom he could mold into being just as cruel and ruthless as he was. First targeting Robin, Slade came up with various schemes to test the Boy Wonder's mettle before finally infecting Robin's friends with nanobots that would destroy them from the inside out should Robin not follow Slade's every command. When his plans for Robin were thwarted, Slade next turned his attention to Terra. Taking advantage of her status as an outsider who would never be accepted because of her destructive powers, Slade manipulated her into joining and befriending the Titans, betraying them and finally trying to kill them. After Terra finds herself in over her head while fighting the Titans and retreats, Slade [[WouldHitAGirl physically abuses her]] for defying his orders. When Terra tries to quit her apprenticeship, Slade reveals that the suit he gave her to enhance her powers also gave him [[PeoplePuppets complete control over her body]] and vowed that he would never let her go. Though Slade dies when Terra rebels against him, he is eventually resurrected by the demonic OmnicidalManiac, Trigon, to act as the demon's [[TheDragon dragon]]. Slade took a vicious pleasure in his work towards the ensuring the apocalypse, [[MindRape mind raping]] Raven with visions of her destiny as the AntiChrist and selling out all of humanity to Trigon in exchange for Trigon giving him back his soul. Even when Slade rebels against Trigon, it isn't out of altruism, but because Trigon refused to honor their bargain.
11th Dec '17 1:12:12 PM Anddrix
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** Season 5 as a whole tends to be LoveItOrHateIt with the fandom as some loved the focus on [[ADayInTheLimelight new characters]] while others hated it and felt the series should have concluded with Season 4. The SeriesFinale, "Things Change" is especially [[InternetBackdraft a sore point]] among the fandom.

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** Season 5 as a whole tends to be LoveItOrHateIt divisive with the fandom as some loved the focus on [[ADayInTheLimelight new characters]] while others hated it and felt the series should have concluded with Season 4. The SeriesFinale, "Things Change" is especially [[InternetBackdraft a sore point]] among the fandom.
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