History YMMV / TeenTitans

30th Sep '17 1:04:17 PM Shadow200
Is there an issue? Send a Message

Added DiffLines:

** Due to being Robin and Starfire's evil counterparts, some fans pair Red X with Blackfire
24th Sep '17 8:37:10 PM PrincessGwen
Is there an issue? Send a Message


** This has caused problems with Starfire's reception as a character, as her cartoon self and her comic self are radically different, causing her comic-self to be widely disliked by a large number of fans who were introduced to the series through the show. While both Starfires are loving, affectionate [[ActionGirl action girls]] who are always there for their friends that's about where similarities end in terms of personality. Cartoon!Starfire is a NaiveNewcomer, FunnyForeigner, who speaks in somewhat broken English and [[FishOutOfWater has trouble fitting in due to her vastly different culture.]] Comic!Starfire is a [[BoisterousBruiser hot headed]] BruiserWithASoftCenter who is both a very liberated young lady who isn't nearly as shy or awkward as her cartoon self, speaks perfect English, as well as being very sexually active by American standards and is a major case of MsFanservice. She is also easily enraged and much more prone to violence than her cartoon self. When New 52 tried to emphasis [[InNameOnly her]] original incarnations [[DarkerAndEdgier darker characteristics]] at least part of the backlash was from people who grew up with the Cartoon counterpart, and were confused as to why she was so drastically different. [[note]] Other backlash was due to making her very one dimensional in attempt to make her edgy, giving her a costume that was somehow even MORE revealing than her original incarnation's, essentially just being there as eye-candy, and having Roy have sex with her despite her apparent amnesia.[[/note]] Also of note is her physical appearance. Her cartoon appearance portrayed her as a very skinny young woman with small, but still noticeable curves. Her original comic incarnation was ''so'' curvy that several other Titans affectionately and jokingly [[LampshadeHanging referred to her as]] [[InSeriesNickname "Balloon Bod."]]
*** After the backlash against the writing of Starfire's character in New 52 became too much DC wrote her out of ''Outlaws'' and gave her her own series. In it her physical appearance and attire is much closer to her cartoon counterparts' appearance. Her personality became something of an amalgam of her Pre-New 52 personality and her Cartoon personality, and her English skills are somewhere in between the two previous incarnations. Arguably she has now become the Titan who is most like her cartoon self.

to:

** This has caused problems with Starfire's reception as a character, as her cartoon self and her comic self are radically different, causing her comic-self to be widely disliked by a large number of fans who were introduced to the series through the show. While both Starfires are loving, affectionate [[ActionGirl action girls]] who are always there for their friends that's about where similarities end in terms of personality. Cartoon!Starfire is a NaiveNewcomer, FunnyForeigner, who speaks in somewhat broken English and [[FishOutOfWater has trouble fitting in due to her vastly different culture.]] Comic!Starfire is a [[BoisterousBruiser hot headed]] BruiserWithASoftCenter who is both a very liberated young lady who isn't nearly as shy or awkward as her cartoon self, speaks perfect English, as well as being very sexually active by American standards and is a major case of MsFanservice. She is also easily enraged and much more prone to violence than her cartoon self. When New 52 tried to emphasis emphasize [[InNameOnly her]] original incarnations incarnation's [[DarkerAndEdgier darker characteristics]] at least part of the backlash was from people who grew up with the Cartoon cartoon counterpart, and were confused as to why she was so drastically different. [[note]] Other backlash was due to making her very one dimensional in attempt to make her edgy, giving her a costume that was somehow even MORE revealing than her original incarnation's, essentially just being there as eye-candy, and having Roy have sex with her despite her apparent amnesia.[[/note]] Also of note is her physical appearance. Her cartoon appearance portrayed her as a very skinny young woman with small, but still noticeable curves. Her original comic incarnation was ''so'' curvy that several other Titans affectionately and jokingly [[LampshadeHanging referred to her as]] [[InSeriesNickname "Balloon Bod."]]
*** After the backlash against the writing of Starfire's character in New 52 became too much DC wrote her out of ''Outlaws'' and gave her her own series. In it her physical appearance and attire is much closer to her cartoon counterparts' appearance. Her personality became something of an amalgam of her Pre-New 52 personality and her Cartoon cartoon personality, and her English skills are somewhere in between the two previous incarnations. Arguably she has now become the Titan who is most like her cartoon self.



* CounterpartComparison: Some have noticed that Slade is closer to Ra's Al Ghul than he is Deathstroke. He's a terrorist instead of a mercenary, he tries to get somebody in the Bat Family to be his successor, and he [[spoiler: uses supernatural means to cheat death]].
** He has also been compared to Shredder in [[WesternAnimation/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtles2003 the 2003 TMNT cartoon]]. Both are [[KnightOfCerebus Knights Of Cerebus]] and [[RecurringCharacter Recurring Villains]] with an endless army of {{Mooks}} at their disposal, and are capable of single-handedly beating down the main characters. [[spoiler: They also come BackFromTheDead in the latter parts of their respective series.]]

to:

* CounterpartComparison: Some have noticed that Slade is closer to Ra's Al Ghul than he is Deathstroke. He's a terrorist instead of a mercenary, he tries to get somebody in the Bat Family to be his successor, and he [[spoiler: uses [[spoiler:uses supernatural means to cheat death]].
** He has also been compared to Shredder in [[WesternAnimation/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtles2003 the 2003 TMNT cartoon]]. Both are [[KnightOfCerebus Knights Of Cerebus]] and [[RecurringCharacter Recurring Villains]] with an endless army of {{Mooks}} at their disposal, and are capable of single-handedly beating down the main characters. [[spoiler: They [[spoiler:They also come BackFromTheDead in the latter parts of their respective series.]]



** How abour Larry's version of the theme song from "Fractured"?

to:

** How abour about Larry's version of the theme song from "Fractured"?



*** And also applied to the bleak future for the Titans of the episode predicting the tragic fates of many Titans in comics with [[spoiler: Garth's death in ComicBook/BlackestNight, the transformation of Roy Harper into [[FaceHeelTurn Arsenal]] after the loss of his arm and his daughter in [[ComicBook/JusticeLeagueCryForJustice Cry For Justice]], and break up between Starfire and Robin.]] Not to mention both its contemporary run during and after the premiere of the show being either BrokenBase or SeasonalRot.

to:

*** And also applied to the bleak future for the Titans of the episode predicting the tragic fates of many Titans in comics with [[spoiler: Garth's [[spoiler:Garth's death in ComicBook/BlackestNight, the transformation of Roy Harper into [[FaceHeelTurn Arsenal]] after the loss of his arm and his daughter in [[ComicBook/JusticeLeagueCryForJustice Cry For Justice]], and break up between Starfire and Robin.]] Not to mention both its contemporary run during and after the premiere of the show being either BrokenBase or SeasonalRot.



* MoralEventHorizon: Malchior in "Spellbound" convinces Raven to break his curse using classic sexual predator technique; preying on her despair and loneliness. And then what ''Slade'' does to Terra and Raven throughout seasons 2 and 4 respectively is bad enough, but he didn't have to sound like he enjoyed it so much.
** Blackfire counts for trying to kill her ''own sister'' without remorse in "Betrotheed".

to:

* MoralEventHorizon: Malchior in "Spellbound" convinces Raven to break his curse using a classic sexual predator technique; preying on her despair and loneliness. And then what ''Slade'' does to Terra and Raven throughout seasons 2 and 4 respectively is bad enough, but he didn't have to sound like he enjoyed it so much.
** Blackfire counts for trying to kill her ''own sister'' without remorse in "Betrotheed"."Betrothed".



* PeripheryDemographic: Despite ostensibly being a kids show, ''Teen Titans'' (similar to the ''Franchise/DCAnimatedUniverse'', but not to the same level as the animated continuity) is very popular among teens and adults due to it's good action, clever writing, and surprisingly mature themes.

to:

* PeripheryDemographic: Despite ostensibly being a kids show, ''Teen Titans'' (similar to the ''Franchise/DCAnimatedUniverse'', but not to the same level as the animated continuity) is very popular among teens and adults due to it's its good action, clever writing, and surprisingly mature themes.



* ReplacementScrappy: Brother Blood in season 3 wasn't near as badass and threatening as his predecessor Slade.

to:

* ReplacementScrappy: Brother Blood in season 3 wasn't near nearly as badass and threatening as his predecessor Slade.



** The episode "Spellbound" shows that Raven has genuine worries about not being able to connect with others because of her interests, best exemplified by her reaction to Beast Boy calling her "weird". The viewers are supposed to be sympathetic to Raven about her isolation but most of that is her own doing as she actively refuses to join the others in their fun when offered and makes no attempt to reach out to her friends to address the problem. In fact the other Titan's are never seen to be put out by her hobbies, just the fact that she refuses to socialize even a little with them.

to:

** The episode "Spellbound" shows that Raven has genuine worries about not being able to connect with others because of her interests, best exemplified by her reaction to Beast Boy calling her "weird". The viewers are supposed to be sympathetic to Raven about her isolation but most of that is her own doing as she actively refuses to join the others in their fun when offered and makes no attempt to reach out to her friends to address the problem. In fact the other Titan's Titans are never seen to be put out by her hobbies, just the fact that she refuses to socialize even a little with them.



** Slade, in spite of making the most appearances of villain in the show, has very little revealed about who he is or even what his long term goals besides gaining an apprentice and dominating the city. It's especially bad that even after he achieved his aim after the fourth season he almost never appears in the fifth so the Brain can take the spot as the BigBad.

to:

** Slade, in spite of making the most appearances of villain in the show, has very little revealed about who he is or even what his long term goals besides gaining an apprentice and dominating the city. It's especially bad that even after he achieved his aim after the fourth season season, he almost never appears in the fifth so the Brain can take the spot as the BigBad.



** The Man-Beast form showed up a total of three times during the show's duration, the first two during it's original episode.

to:

** The Man-Beast form showed up a total of three times during the show's duration, the first two during it's its original episode.



* WhatDoYouMeanItsForKids: To an extent. On the whole, the series was pretty kid-friendly overall, but it did have moments of this at times with storylines involving [[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt the end of the world]], Blackmail when [[spoiler: Slade threatens to kill the Teen Titans unless Robin becomes his apprentice]], and a few [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything instances of]] MindRape. Not to mention Raven's demonic heritage would make some religious parents and viewers scared.
* WhatDoYouMeanItWasntMadeOnDrugs: Any episode with Mad Mod and ''Employee of the Month'', [[spoiler: where the VillainOfTheWeek was a cube of alien tofu that was stealing cows to fuel his starship and wanted to blow up Earth after he had enough cows]].

to:

* WhatDoYouMeanItsForKids: To an extent. On the whole, the series was pretty kid-friendly overall, but it did have moments of this at times with storylines involving [[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt the end of the world]], Blackmail when [[spoiler: Slade [[spoiler:Slade threatens to kill the Teen Titans unless Robin becomes his apprentice]], and a few [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything instances of]] MindRape. Not to mention Raven's demonic heritage would make some religious parents and viewers scared.
* WhatDoYouMeanItWasntMadeOnDrugs: Any episode with Mad Mod and ''Employee of the Month'', [[spoiler: where [[spoiler:where the VillainOfTheWeek was a cube of alien tofu that was stealing cows to fuel his starship and wanted to blow up Earth after he had enough cows]].



*** Having Larry interrupt the theme song tends to be the writers way of pre-lampshading this.

to:

*** Having Larry interrupt the theme song tends to be the writers writers' way of pre-lampshading this.
30th Aug '17 10:13:01 PM JP-Rider
Is there an issue? Send a Message
30th Aug '17 10:00:17 PM JP-Rider
Is there an issue? Send a Message

Added DiffLines:

*** Beast Boy is also getting shipped in the Fanfiction.net archives, especially in harem fics.
23rd Aug '17 3:53:05 PM Karxrida
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* RelationshipWritingFumble: Two prominent examples. Highly unusual in that these were supposed to be ''platonic'' relationships, rather than romantic ones.
** Robin/Raven: As noted above, season 4 made a big deal of the fact that Robin and Raven are supposed to have one of the closest relationships of the team, almost surrogate siblings. Except, in the first three seasons, Robin and Raven almost never interact. The best one can say as evidence towards any closeness is the whole "Raven entering Robin's mind after he goes crazy due to Slade's psycho-dust" incident.
** Raven/Beast Boy: These two were always supposed to be purely platonic friends - HeterosexualLifePartners with a male/female duo. Instead, especially in season 3, their interactions came off as almost a SlapSlapKiss type budding romantic relationship, with Raven the {{tsundere}} and Beast Boy the DoggedNiceGuy. It's the biggest reason why they're the top FanPreferredCouple. (WordOfGod says they're supposed to be LikeBrotherAndSister. WordOfGod ALSO says they're supposed to be LikeAnOldMarriedCouple).

to:

* RelationshipWritingFumble: Two prominent examples. Highly unusual in that these were supposed to be ''platonic'' relationships, rather than romantic ones.
RelationshipWritingFumble:
** Robin/Raven: As noted above, season Season 4 made a big deal of the fact that Robin and Raven are supposed to have one of the closest relationships of the team, almost surrogate siblings. Except, in the first three seasons, Robin and Raven almost never interact. The best one can say as evidence towards any closeness is the whole "Raven entering Robin's mind after he goes crazy due to Slade's psycho-dust" incident.
** Raven/Beast Boy: These two Raven and Beast Boy were always supposed to be purely platonic friends - HeterosexualLifePartners with a male/female duo. Instead, especially in season 3, their interactions came come off as almost a SlapSlapKiss type budding romantic relationship, with Raven the {{tsundere}} and Beast Boy the DoggedNiceGuy. It's the biggest reason why they're the top FanPreferredCouple. (WordOfGod says they're supposed to be LikeBrotherAndSister. WordOfGod ALSO says they're supposed to be LikeAnOldMarriedCouple).LikeAnOldMarriedCouple.)
23rd Aug '17 3:51:23 PM Karxrida
Is there an issue? Send a Message


[[folder: A - B]]

to:

[[folder: A [[folder:A - B]]



[[folder: C - D]]

to:

[[folder: C [[folder:C - D]]



[[folder: E - F]]

to:

[[folder: E [[folder:E - F]]



[[folder: G - H]]

to:

[[folder: G [[folder:G - H]]



[[folder: I - M]]

to:

[[folder: I [[folder:I - M]]



[[folder: N - R]]

to:

[[folder: N [[folder:N - R]]



* NostalgiaFilter: A large number of people who aren't at all fond of ''WesternAnimation/TeenTitansGo'' tend to look on this show with nothing but positive light, despite the show's own flaws. It hasn't reached SacredCow status yet, but it's getting close.
* PeripheryDemographic: Despite ostensibly being a kids show, ''Teen Titans'' (similar to the ''Franchise/DCAnimatedUniverse'', but not to the same level as the animated continuity) is very popular among teens and adults due to it's good action, clever writing, and surprisingly mature themes. This became a PeripheryHatedom when the WesternAnimation/TeenTitansGo reboot launched, which is ''definitely'' a kids show and a slapstick comedy that many view as being an insult to the original.

to:

* NostalgiaFilter: A large number of people who aren't at all fond of ''WesternAnimation/TeenTitansGo'' tend to look on this show with nothing but positive light, despite the show's own flaws. It hasn't reached SacredCow status yet, but it's getting close.
* PeripheryDemographic: Despite ostensibly being a kids show, ''Teen Titans'' (similar to the ''Franchise/DCAnimatedUniverse'', but not to the same level as the animated continuity) is very popular among teens and adults due to it's good action, clever writing, and surprisingly mature themes. This became a PeripheryHatedom when the WesternAnimation/TeenTitansGo reboot launched, which is ''definitely'' a kids show and a slapstick comedy that many view as being an insult to the original.



[[folder: S - T]]

to:

[[folder: S [[folder:S - T]]



* ShipTease: Robin/Starfire.



[[folder: U - W]]

to:

[[folder: U [[folder:U - W]]



[[folder: A - B]]

to:

[[folder: A [[folder:A - B]]



[[folder: C - D]]

to:

[[folder: C [[folder:C - D]]



[[folder: E - F]]

to:

[[folder: E [[folder:E - F]]



[[folder: H - J]]

to:

[[folder: H [[folder:H - J]]



[[folder: M - O]]

to:

[[folder: M [[folder:M - O]]



[[folder: S - T]]

to:

[[folder: S [[folder:S - T]]



[[folder: W]]

to:

[[folder: W]][[folder:W]]
22nd Aug '17 7:11:47 PM GrigorII
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* WhatAnIdiot: When Raven first came to Earth, to warn about the arrival of Trigon, she asked the Justice League for help. They rejected her, because Zatanna checked her and sensed a great evil power within her.\\

to:

* WhatAnIdiot: WhatAnIdiot
**
When Raven first came to Earth, to warn about the arrival of Trigon, she asked the Justice League for help. They rejected her, because Zatanna checked her and sensed a great evil power within her.\\


Added DiffLines:

** Shimmer can change matter at will. She also says that she's not interested in fighting superheros, just to get rich.\\
'''You'd expect:''' that, with her power, she simply turns some mundane items into gold, some others into platinum, and some others into priceless jewels, and that's it: she's as rich as she may want to be.\\
'''Instead:''' She has such an awesome power... and wastes it in [[BankRobbery Bank Robberies]].
17th Aug '17 6:19:41 AM GrigorII
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* WhatAnIdiot: When she first came to Earth, to warn about the arrival of Trigon, she asked the Justice League for help. They rejected her, because Zatanna checked her and sensed a great evil power within her.\\

to:

* WhatAnIdiot: When she Raven first came to Earth, to warn about the arrival of Trigon, she asked the Justice League for help. They rejected her, because Zatanna checked her and sensed a great evil power within her.\\
17th Aug '17 6:19:09 AM GrigorII
Is there an issue? Send a Message

Added DiffLines:

* WhatAnIdiot: When she first came to Earth, to warn about the arrival of Trigon, she asked the Justice League for help. They rejected her, because Zatanna checked her and sensed a great evil power within her.\\
'''You'd expect''': that Raven simply clarifies that she is the daughter of Trigon. That he's pure evil, but she is not. She wouldn't be the first hero with an ArchnemesisDad, or the first [[BadPowersGoodPeople good person with bad powers]].\\
'''Instead''': She simply leaves, considers the JLA a hopeless case, and creates a new group instead, the Teen Titans. But even then...\\
'''Now you'd expect''': That she would explain things honestly this time.\\
'''Instead''': She keeps the Titans in the dark as much as she did with the JLA. And using her powers to make Kid Flash fall in love with her so that he joins the group is definitely [[NotHelpingYourCase not helping her case]].\\
'''Result:''' Both teams walk away from her when the truth comes to light. They only come back when Trigon is already here.
17th Aug '17 5:48:29 AM FuzzyBarbarian
Is there an issue? Send a Message


** The New 52 era was also a big Dork Age for the original Teen Titans. The only characters who initially existed were Nightwing and Arsenal, and Arsenal had his own problems, and it was explicitly said that this team did not exist as the Teen Titans. Garth would later be introduced as an infant, meaning he wouldn't be in any shape to be Aqualad or Tempest... before being reintroduced ''again'' as a racist Atlantean. Donna Troy was reintroduced as a man-hating version of Wonder Woman who was ''killed''. And Wally West was reintroduced years down the line as a {{Race Lift}}ed 13-year-old delinquent with essentially none of the traits of the original Wally with UnfortunateImplications surrounding his character. Needless to say, none of these changes were popular, and the original generation of Titans got the shaft big time. Dan Abnett would later Retcon the hell out of the team, saying that there ''was'' an original Teen Titans, and removing the negatively received traits of Garth and Donna, while ''ComicBook/DCRebirth'' would bring back the Pre-New 52 Wally West.

to:

** The New 52 era was also a big Dork Age for the original Teen Titans. The only characters who initially existed were Nightwing and Arsenal, and Arsenal had his own problems, and it was explicitly said that this team did not exist as the Teen Titans. Garth would later be introduced as an infant, meaning he wouldn't be in any shape to be Aqualad or Tempest... before being reintroduced ''again'' as a racist Atlantean. Donna Troy was reintroduced as a man-hating version of Wonder Woman who was ''killed''. And Wally West was reintroduced years down the line as a {{Race Lift}}ed 13-year-old delinquent with essentially none of the traits of the original Wally with and loads of UnfortunateImplications surrounding his character. Needless to say, none of these changes were popular, and the original generation of Titans got the shaft big time. Dan Abnett would later Retcon the hell out of the team, saying that there ''was'' an original Teen Titans, and removing the negatively received traits of Garth and Donna, while ''ComicBook/DCRebirth'' would bring back the Pre-New 52 Wally West.



* FandomRivalry: With the ''Batman'' fandom over Nightwing. A big part of it comes from the shipping wars regarding whether Dick should be with Starfire or Barbara Gordon.


Added DiffLines:

* FandomRivalry: With the ''Batman'' fandom over Nightwing. A big part of it comes from the shipping wars regarding whether Dick should be with Starfire or Barbara Gordon, but beyond that, it's the idea of what kind of character Dick should be and what the Titans mean for his character. Some like the idea of Dick finally separating himself from Batman to become his own hero with the Titans, being the kind of hero Batman isn't in the wider DCU. Others like the idea of Dick finding himself with the Titans, then returning to the Batfamily and being recognised at Bruce's greatest ally and true heir.
This list shows the last 10 events of 589. Show all.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=YMMV.TeenTitans