History YMMV / TeamFortress2

22nd Jun '17 12:38:54 PM MasterParadox
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** With the increasingly odd balance changes being put foward in 2015 and 2016 updates, many have been demanding that the devs should bring the beta branch back. While this doesn't appear to be happening anytime soon, a [=TF2=] dev dropped in on GabeN's Reddit [=AMA=] confirming a blog post before the next major update outlining potential changes and reasoning for them so they can gather feedback.

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** With the increasingly odd balance changes being put foward in 2015 and 2016 updates, many have been demanding that the devs should bring the beta branch back. While this doesn't appear to be happening anytime soon, a [=TF2=] dev dropped in on GabeN's Gabe Newell's Reddit [=AMA=] confirming a blog post before the next major update outlining potential changes and reasoning for them so they can gather feedback.



** The Pyro. Half think the Pyro is a fun skilled class and the other consider him a skilless noob class. It doesn't help that the programmers have a difficult time balancing Pyro; at one moment, Pyro is the weakest link with underpowered ways to deal damage [[note]]such as when the Pyro had only random crits from a flamethower with little range and a standard shotgun[[/note]] to the next where they're hell on two legs and overpowered weapons that take no skill to use [[note]]such as when the Phlogistinator could quickly build a charge that healed Pyro and made the player get crit-boosted for ''8 seconds'' in a game where every second counts[[/note]] and back to being the weakest [[note]]Pyro's "puff 'n' sting" tactic being nerfed by slower switch-to and swing speed on the Axtingusher/Postal Pummeler[[/note]]. It's likely the eventual "Pyro Update" after ''Meet Your Match'' will only further the problem.

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** The Pyro. Half think the Pyro is a fun skilled class and the other consider him a skilless noob class. It doesn't help that the programmers have a difficult time balancing Pyro; at one moment, Pyro is the weakest link with underpowered ways to deal damage [[note]]such as when the Pyro had only random crits from a flamethower with little range and a standard shotgun[[/note]] to the next where they're hell on two legs and overpowered weapons that take no skill to use [[note]]such as when the Phlogistinator could quickly build a charge that healed Pyro and made the player get crit-boosted for ''8 seconds'' in a game where every second counts[[/note]] and back to being the weakest [[note]]Pyro's "puff 'n' sting" tactic being nerfed by slower switch-to and swing speed on the Axtingusher/Postal Pummeler[[/note]]. It's likely the eventual "Pyro Update" Pyro overhaul after ''Meet Your Match'' will only further the problem.
13th Jun '17 6:24:57 PM DastardlyDemolition
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* {{GIFT}}: Like all online games, ''Team Fortress 2'' has had its issues with {{GIFT}}-utilizing {{Griefer}}s. Ironically, you will still hear fans of the game proclaiming that [[NoTrueScotsman the game is "Serious Business Free" and that "this is the nicest gaming community ever."]] While one look at the Valve official forums or the Steam Community Discussions section can tell them otherwise (the forums are endlessly locked in an civil war, while the discussions are infamous for being infested with hate), they just [[SelectiveObliviousness ignore this]]. Woe to the poor newbie gamer (or even pro gamer) that does take this to heart, and run into the Griefers deriding him to "suck less", "cry moar noob", "go back to your kiddy consoles" and such.

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* {{GIFT}}: Like all online games, ''Team Fortress 2'' has had its issues with {{GIFT}}-utilizing {{Griefer}}s. Ironically, you will still hear fans of the game proclaiming that [[NoTrueScotsman the game is "Serious Business Free" and that "this is the nicest gaming community ever."]] While one look at the Valve official forums or the Steam Community Discussions section can tell them otherwise (the forums are endlessly locked in an civil war, while the discussions are infamous for being infested with hate), they just [[SelectiveObliviousness ignore this]]. Woe to the poor newbie gamer (or even pro gamer) that does take this to heart, and run into the Griefers deriding him to "suck less", "cry moar noob", "go back to your kiddy consoles" and such. Another popular taunt to use is "Free to Play", implying that the player (no matter how much time or skills they have) is nothing but a [[SuffersNewbiesPoorly newbie]] that just got the game because it was free and can't do a damn thing against "better" players.
13th Jun '17 10:38:29 AM DastardlyDemolition
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** Hydro was, ironically, ''designed'' to be a map that people would want to play endlessly. It ended up being a map that nobody wanted to play at all, since all matches on it would either be a CurbStompBattle that was over in seconds, or Sudden Death Hell that dragged on forever, with no middle ground whatsoever.

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** Hydro was, ironically, ''designed'' to be a map that people would want to play endlessly. It ended up being a map that nobody wanted to play at all, since all matches on it would either be a CurbStompBattle that was over in seconds, or Sudden Death Hell that dragged on forever, with no middle ground whatsoever. It also doesn't help that it's a ''really'' big map that all but demands that an Engineer build teleporters just for their team to reach the point within a decent time frame. The large size and unbalanced gameplay may have played a large part in the lack of love towards Territorial Control.
7th Jun '17 10:18:17 PM anyanp
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** "The Naked and The Dead" brings us some Sniper/Spy moments. When Spy was caught by Classic Sniper, his modern counterpart practically panicked and rushed to save Spy (loosing his pants in the process). Scene afterwards in which Spy and completely naked Sniper were sitting next to each other and smocking was described by some fans as "mistaken for slash fanart".
16th May '17 6:21:20 PM flameclaw0x7
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** Bread used to be able to [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1348l-lBQiA end payload matches very quickly]] on Upward.

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** Bread used to be able to [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1348l-lBQiA com/watch?v=XyoKzBLZK4g Dropping bread into the pit at the end payload matches very quickly]] on Upward.of Payload maps]] used to create a giant explosion.
15th May '17 5:42:38 PM flameclaw0x7
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** Don't be surprised when you find a Demoman wearing a [[https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Sultan%27s_Ceremonial turban]] and [[https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Double_Dynamite dynamite strapped to his chest]] in [[https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Aerobatics_Demonstrator a plane]] [[{{Qurac}} running around and suicide-cabering people to death]].
15th May '17 5:04:43 PM flameclaw0x7
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* WTHCostumingDepartment: While most of the cosmetics [[NiceHat look pretty good]], a few look awkward at best and ugly at worst. A few that come to mind are [[https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/HazMat_Headcase Hazmat Headcase]][[note]]A hazmat helmet for both Pyro (who kinda fits with it) and Sniper (who doesn't. At all. Admittedly, it was submitted as a joke)[[/note]], and [[https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Captain_Cardbeard_Cutthroat Captain Cardbeard Cutthroat]][[note]]A cardboard pirate hat and team-colored beard[[/note]].

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* WTHCostumingDepartment: While most of the cosmetics [[NiceHat look pretty good]], a few look awkward at best and ugly at worst. A few that come to mind are [[https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/HazMat_Headcase Hazmat Headcase]][[note]]A hazmat helmet for both Pyro (who kinda fits with it) and Sniper (who doesn't. At all. Admittedly, it Sniper's version was submitted as a joke)[[/note]], and [[https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Captain_Cardbeard_Cutthroat Captain Cardbeard Cutthroat]][[note]]A cardboard pirate hat and team-colored beard[[/note]].beard, messily colored in with marker[[/note]], and [[https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Robotic_Boogaloo#Cosmetics Most of the Robotic Boogaloo hats]][[note]]Retools of existing hats to look robotic. While a neat concept, their sharp-edged appearance combined with the chipped appearance of the paint turns many a trader away[[/note]].


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10th May '17 6:27:03 PM ImperialMajestyXO
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** The Medic is a source of endless innuendos. Popping an uber too soon is a bit like [[JizzInMyPants jizzing in your pants]], as seen in [[http://www.nerdragecomic.com/index.php?date=2011-09-23 this comic]]. And, [[http://www.reddit.com/r/truetf2/comments/phu1d/what_do_i_do_as_a_soldier_when_someone_ubers_me/c3pvg4s Dear Penthouse, I never zhought zhis vould happen to me...]] So it's appropriate that [[BeethovenWasAnAlienSpy Freud was the first Medic]].

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** The Medic is a source of endless innuendos. Popping an uber too soon is a bit like [[JizzInMyPants [[JizzedInMyPants jizzing in your pants]], as seen in [[http://www.nerdragecomic.com/index.php?date=2011-09-23 this comic]]. And, [[http://www.reddit.com/r/truetf2/comments/phu1d/what_do_i_do_as_a_soldier_when_someone_ubers_me/c3pvg4s Dear Penthouse, I never zhought zhis vould happen to me...]] So it's appropriate that [[BeethovenWasAnAlienSpy Freud was the first Medic]].
20th Apr '17 10:54:19 AM Anddrix
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** Sentry Busters again. Once you understand how they work and how to escape them, a well-entrenched, level-headed Engie who's paying attention will (almost) never be threatened by them again; just pick up your sentry before they reach your nest, walk towards them to make them explode prematurely, then put your sentry back in its nest. Problem is, the more often you successfully do this, the more often they respawn, over and over and over... the Announcer shouting "Look out for that Sentry Buster!" over and over and over... [[HellIsThatNoise listening to that tick-tock noise over and over and over]]...

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** Sentry Busters again. Once you understand how they work and how to escape them, a well-entrenched, level-headed Engie who's paying attention will (almost) never be threatened by them again; just pick up your sentry before they reach your nest, walk towards them to make them explode prematurely, then put your sentry back in its nest. Problem is, the more often you successfully do this, the more often they respawn, over and over and over... the Announcer shouting "Look out for that Sentry Buster!" over and over and over... [[HellIsThatNoise listening to that tick-tock noise over and over and over]]...over...



* HellIsThatNoise:
** "Spy sappin' mah sentry/teleporter/dispenser!", your cue to panic if you're nowhere near the building being sapped.
** If you're on attack: "Mission ends in 60/30/10 seconds!"
** If you're on defense: "Alert! The final control point is being contested!" (Control Point) and "The bomb has almost reached the final terminus" (Payload)
** The immediately identifiable scream of your Medic getting headshot/backstabbed, especially if it occurs just as the enemy team is pushing in. Taken UpToEleven if it's accompanied by the distinctive crackle of a dropped Ubercharge.
** The continuous "beep boop beep boop" sound of a Sentry Buster during Mann Vs Machine, especially if you're the Engineer who's probably going to pack up sentry or die.
*** Transitions into MostAnnoyingSound if your team has (or you are) an Engineer who's skilled at dealing with them, because eventually the wave will send these non-stop to the point where you hear it constantly.
** The alerted whooshing beep a sentry gun makes when it spots an enemy. If you hear it and it's not from a friendly sentry gun, there's a good chance that either you or an ally is going to die soon.



** A Demoman taunt was posted on the Steam Workshop, involving him playing the bagpipes and dancing. It was added in the Tough Break update... and the [[MostWonderfulSound absolutely wonderful]] [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLhYrIHsW94 song]] he played was changed into [[HellIsThatNoise an incredibly mangled attempt]] [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVHgdFyICSI at anything recognizable]]. Fans were not happy about this, and felt that the [=TF2=] team was [[ExaggeratedTrope exaggerating]] Demoman's known alcoholism, or the stereotypical horrid sound of bagpipes.

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** A Demoman taunt was posted on the Steam Workshop, involving him playing the bagpipes and dancing. It was added in the Tough Break update... and the [[MostWonderfulSound absolutely wonderful]] [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLhYrIHsW94 song]] he played was changed into [[HellIsThatNoise an incredibly mangled attempt]] attempt [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVHgdFyICSI at anything recognizable]]. Fans were not happy about this, and felt that the [=TF2=] team was [[ExaggeratedTrope exaggerating]] Demoman's known alcoholism, or the stereotypical horrid sound of bagpipes.
13th Apr '17 6:32:30 PM KEEP_IN
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** The fandom also has a giant rivalry with ''VideoGame/{{Overwatch}}'', seeing it as a massive ripoff or shameless imitation of this very game. Almost right at the announcement of ''Overwatch'', [=TF2=] fans were saying that this was Blizzard's attempt at making a "dumbed down" copy of Team Fortress. Even to this day, it's almost a BerserkButton to mention ''Overwatch'' to some fans of [=TF2=], and it's not uncommon to see inflammatory comments being made at either game in the comments section of a Youtube video on one or the other. YourMileageMayVary Of course, attitudes on either game may still depend on where you go - See FriendlyFandoms below.

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** The fandom also has a giant rivalry with ''VideoGame/{{Overwatch}}'', seeing it as a massive ripoff or shameless imitation of this very game. Almost right at the announcement of ''Overwatch'', [=TF2=] fans were saying that this was Blizzard's attempt at making a "dumbed down" copy of Team Fortress. Even to this day, it's almost a BerserkButton to mention ''Overwatch'' to some fans of [=TF2=], and it's not uncommon to see inflammatory comments being made at either game in the comments section of a Youtube video on one or the other. YourMileageMayVary Of course, attitudes on either game may still depend on where you go - See FriendlyFandoms below.
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