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* OnceOriginalNowCommon: For some of the most veteran fans, the DeconstructorFleet has been done so many times in the series (both well and badly executed) that it has become a cliché in it on itself by this point. Never mind the fact that [[VideoGame/TalesOfPhantasia some]] [[VideoGame/TalesOfSymphonia of]] [[VideoGame/TalesOfRebirth the]] [[VideoGame/TalesOfTheAbyss games]] were considered damn smart in this regard when they came out.
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* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: For some of the most veteran fans, the DeconstructorFleet has been done so many times in the series (both well and badly executed) that it has become a cliché in it on itself by this point. Never mind the fact that [[VideoGame/TalesOfPhantasia some]] [[VideoGame/TalesOfSymphonia of]] [[VideoGame/TalesOfRebirth the]] [[VideoGame/TalesOfTheAbyss games]] were considered damn smart in this regard when they came out.
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* ComplacentGamingSyndrome: In any game that allows it, most players prefer using a single melee fighter to distract the boss while mages safely cast from afar. Having more than one melee fighter means the boss can just hit them all with melee attacks, which is inefficient in a battle of attrition.
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* SeasonalRot: The titles released after ''VideoGame/TalesOfVesperia'' and before ''VideoGame/TalesOfBerseria'' are viewed by some as the lowest point for the series. The titles between those two suffers from constantly changing gameplay formula's for no reason, while also not changing enough to make each title play differently (all of them used the same core combat system with very few adjustments), and have been criticized for having weaker stories and characters, while relying on signature tropes that become played out and stale after so many times. ''VideoGame/TalesOfZestiria'' is often seen as the worst example of this trope in the franchise for both gameplay and narrative, and it wasn't until''VideoGame/TalesOfBerseria'' came about did the series get out of the rut it was in. The fact each game released during said period suffered a TroubledProduction didn't help either; only ''VideoGame/TalesOfXillia2'' didn't suffer one on account of being a direct sequel.
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* SeasonalRot: The titles released after ''VideoGame/TalesOfVesperia'' and before ''VideoGame/TalesOfBerseria'' are viewed by some as the lowest point for the series. The titles between those two suffers suffered from constantly changing repetitive gameplay formula's for no reason, while also not changing enough to make each title play differently (all of them the games used the same core combat system with very few adjustments), and have been criticized for having weaker stories and characters, gameplay mechanics used in ''Graces''), while relying on signature gimmicks more and more over sharpening the mechanics or exploring new forms of gameplay. The stories and characters during this time were also criticized for over relying on series tropes that become played out and stale after so many times. became stale, not helped by the stories often feeling unfinished. The fact each game released during said period suffered a TroubledProduction in some form (such as ''Graces'' having the buggy Wii version, or ''Xillia'' being admittedly rushed by the devs) didn't help either; only ''VideoGame/TalesOfXillia2'' didn't suffer one on account of being a direct sequel. ''VideoGame/TalesOfZestiria'' is often seen as the worst example of this trope in the franchise for both gameplay and narrative, and it having all the issues mentioned on top of the marketing aspects making the game rife with controversy. It wasn't until''VideoGame/TalesOfBerseria'' until ''VideoGame/TalesOfBerseria'' came about did the series get out of the rut it was in. The fact each game released during said period suffered a TroubledProduction didn't help either; only ''VideoGame/TalesOfXillia2'' didn't suffer one on account of being a direct sequel.
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* SeasonalRot: The titles released after ''VideoGame/TalesOfVesperia'', and before ''VideoGame/TalesOfBerseria'', is viewed as the lowest point for the series. The titles between those two suffers from constantly changing gameplay formula's for no reason, while also not changing enough to make each title play differently (all of them used the same core combat system with very few adjustments), and have been criticized for having weaker stories and characters, while relying on signature tropes that become played out and stale after so many times. ''VideoGame/TalesOfZestiria'' is often seen as the worst example of this trope in the franchise for both gameplay and narrative, and it wasn't until''VideoGame/TalesOfBerseria'' came about did the series get out of the rut it was in. The fact each game released during said period suffered a TroubledProduction didn't help either; only ''VideoGame/TalesOfXillia2'' didn't suffer one on account of being a direct sequel.
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* SeasonalRot: The titles released after ''VideoGame/TalesOfVesperia'', ''VideoGame/TalesOfVesperia'' and before ''VideoGame/TalesOfBerseria'', is ''VideoGame/TalesOfBerseria'' are viewed by some as the lowest point for the series. The titles between those two suffers from constantly changing gameplay formula's for no reason, while also not changing enough to make each title play differently (all of them used the same core combat system with very few adjustments), and have been criticized for having weaker stories and characters, while relying on signature tropes that become played out and stale after so many times. ''VideoGame/TalesOfZestiria'' is often seen as the worst example of this trope in the franchise for both gameplay and narrative, and it wasn't until''VideoGame/TalesOfBerseria'' came about did the series get out of the rut it was in. The fact each game released during said period suffered a TroubledProduction didn't help either; only ''VideoGame/TalesOfXillia2'' didn't suffer one on account of being a direct sequel.
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* SeasonalRot: For some fans this started kicking in with ''VideoGame/TalesOfGraces'' as most of the games since then have tried their hand at new mechanics and additions to the combat system that some fans feel the Team Symphonia games perfected. If that's not your problem than the fact that the gameplay has become formulaic most likely is. The newer games have also been criticized for having weaker stories and characters, and the signature tropes getting old and predictable. ''VideoGame/TalesOfZestiria'' is often seen as the worst example of this trope in the franchise for both gameplay and narrative, though fans have found ''VideoGame/TalesOfBerseria'' to be a much needed revitalization of the franchise.
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* SeasonalRot: For some fans this started kicking in with ''VideoGame/TalesOfGraces'' The titles released after ''VideoGame/TalesOfVesperia'', and before ''VideoGame/TalesOfBerseria'', is viewed as most of the games since then have tried their hand at new mechanics and additions to lowest point for the series. The titles between those two suffers from constantly changing gameplay formula's for no reason, while also not changing enough to make each title play differently (all of them used the same core combat system that some fans feel the Team Symphonia games perfected. If that's not your problem than the fact that the gameplay has become formulaic most likely is. The newer games with very few adjustments), and have also been criticized for having weaker stories and characters, and the while relying on signature tropes getting old that become played out and predictable. stale after so many times. ''VideoGame/TalesOfZestiria'' is often seen as the worst example of this trope in the franchise for both gameplay and narrative, though fans have found ''VideoGame/TalesOfBerseria'' to be a much needed revitalization and it wasn't until''VideoGame/TalesOfBerseria'' came about did the series get out of the franchise.rut it was in. The fact each game released during said period suffered a TroubledProduction didn't help either; only ''VideoGame/TalesOfXillia2'' didn't suffer one on account of being a direct sequel.
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* WinBackTheCrowd: After several BrokenBase games, especially with ''VideoGame/TalesOfZestiria'', ''VideoGame/TalesOfBerseria'' was released and received great critical reception in both the East and West, although in the former, the game sold only 200k in the first week.
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* WinBackTheCrowd: After several BrokenBase games, especially with ''VideoGame/TalesOfZestiria'', ''VideoGame/TalesOfBerseria'' was released and received great critical reception in both the East and West, although in the former, the game sold only 200k in the first week. Tellingly, the game that came after, ''VideoGame/TalesOfArise'', was a major success, indicating that the series has gotten back on track for many.
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* OvershadowedByControversy: Hideo Baba was the brand manager and series producer of the ''VideoGame/TalesSeries'' from ''VideoGame/TalesOfInnocence'' (2007) to ''VideoGame/TalesOfZestiria'' (2015), but he's most well-known among franchise fans for mishandling ''Zestiria'' and eventually quitting Creator/BandaiNamcoEntertainment a year after the game's release. Infamously, the character of [[WarriorPrincess Alisha Diphda]] had been very prominently featured in pre-release marketing as the game's {{Deuteragonist}} and female lead, but ended up only being a GuestStarPartyMember who left early in the game. When Japanese fans were outraged, Baba made multiple contradictory statements trying to explain why it made sense, some of which were perceived as blaming the fans themselves for not understanding the game. ''Zestiria'' was also the third mainline game in a row to have suffered a TroubledProduction[[note]]''VideoGame/TalesOfXillia'' was cut short [[ChristmasRushed to release for the franchise's 15th anniversary]], and [[VideoGame/TalesOfXillia2 its sequel]] was developed and released [[AbsurdlyShortProductionTime in just a year]] to rectify that, resulting in many issues with its own story.[[/note]] and released in an incomplete state, further displeasing fans on how the franchise had been treated under Baba's leadership.
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** Tales fans will also recommend the ''VideoGame/Ys'' series, due to the fact that both series are the oldest Action-JRPG franchises that are still going strong today. Both are also anime-esque and have remained largely traditional, albeit evolving to fit the times.
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** Tales fans will also recommend the ''VideoGame/Ys'' ''VideoGame/{{Ys}}'' series, due to the fact that both series are the oldest Action-JRPG franchises that are still going strong today. Both are also anime-esque and have remained largely traditional, albeit evolving to fit the times.
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* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: For some of the most veteran fans, the DeconstructorFleet has been done so many times in the series (both well and badly executed) that it has become a cliché in it on itself by this point. Never mind the fact that [[VideoGame/TalesOfPhantasia some]] [[VideoGame/TalesOfSymphonia of]] [[VideoGame/TalesOfRebirth the]] [[VideoGame/TalesOfTheAbyss games]] were considered damn smart in this regard when they came out (some of them still hold up when judged by their own merits, some of them...not so much).
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* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: For some of the most veteran fans, the DeconstructorFleet has been done so many times in the series (both well and badly executed) that it has become a cliché in it on itself by this point. Never mind the fact that [[VideoGame/TalesOfPhantasia some]] [[VideoGame/TalesOfSymphonia of]] [[VideoGame/TalesOfRebirth the]] [[VideoGame/TalesOfTheAbyss games]] were considered damn smart in this regard when they came out (some of them still hold up when judged by their own merits, some of them...not so much).out.
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** Tales fans will also recommend the VideoGame/Ys series, due to the fact that both series are the oldest Action-JRPG franchises that are still going strong today.
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** Tales fans will also recommend the VideoGame/Ys ''VideoGame/Ys'' series, due to the fact that both series are the oldest Action-JRPG franchises that are still going strong today.
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* FriendlyFandoms: Many fans of Tales might also enjoy the ''Franchise/StarOcean'' series, due to the many similarities between them, this is because the team that worked on ''VideoGame/TalesOfPhantasia'' went on to form Tri-ace and create the Star Ocean series as well as VideoGame/ValkyrieProfile.
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* FriendlyFandoms: Many fans of Tales might also enjoy the ''Franchise/StarOcean'' ''VideoGame/StarOcean'' series, due to the many similarities between them, this is because the team that worked on ''VideoGame/TalesOfPhantasia'' went on to form Tri-ace and create the Star Ocean series as well as VideoGame/ValkyrieProfile.
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** Tales fans will also recommend the ''VideoGame/Ys'' VideoGame/Ys series, due to the fact that both series are the oldest Action-JRPG franchises that are still going strong today.
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** Tales fans will also recommend the ''Franchise/Ys'' ''VideoGame/Ys'' series, due to the fact that both series are the oldest Action-JRPG franchises that are still going strong today.
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* FriendlyFandoms: Some players of this franchise are also fighting-game players as the combat system is very similar to that of a combo-focused fighting game. With VideoGame/TalesOfLegendia being developed by those who worked on Franchise/{{Tekken}} and the VideoGame/SoulSeries and Lloyd Irving appearing in VideoGame/SoulCaliburLegends. It helps that the ''Franchise/BlazBlue'' series was getting started when more Tales of games were coming out internationally alongside a revitalization of the 2D fighter.
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* FriendlyFandoms: Some Many fans of Tales might also enjoy the ''Franchise/StarOcean'' series, due to the many similarities between them, this is because the team that worked on ''VideoGame/TalesOfPhantasia'' went on to form Tri-ace and create the Star Ocean series as well as VideoGame/ValkyrieProfile.
**Some players of this franchise are also fighting-game players as the combat system is very similar to that of a combo-focused fighting game. With VideoGame/TalesOfLegendia being developed by those who worked on Franchise/{{Tekken}} and the VideoGame/SoulSeries and Lloyd Irving appearing in VideoGame/SoulCaliburLegends. It helps that the ''Franchise/BlazBlue'' series was getting started when more Tales of games were coming out internationally alongside a revitalization of the 2D fighter.
**Some players of this franchise are also fighting-game players as the combat system is very similar to that of a combo-focused fighting game. With VideoGame/TalesOfLegendia being developed by those who worked on Franchise/{{Tekken}} and the VideoGame/SoulSeries and Lloyd Irving appearing in VideoGame/SoulCaliburLegends. It helps that the ''Franchise/BlazBlue'' series was getting started when more Tales of games were coming out internationally alongside a revitalization of the 2D fighter.
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* FriendlyFandoms: Some players of this franchise are also fighting-game players as the combat system is very similar to that of a combo-focused fighting game. With VideoGame/TalesOfLegendia being developed by those who worked on Franchise/{{Tekken}} and the VideoGame/SoulSeries. It helps that the ''Franchise/BlazBlue'' series was getting started when more Tales of games were coming out internationally alongside a revitalization of the 2D fighter.
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* FriendlyFandoms: Some players of this franchise are also fighting-game players as the combat system is very similar to that of a combo-focused fighting game. With VideoGame/TalesOfLegendia being developed by those who worked on Franchise/{{Tekken}} and the VideoGame/SoulSeries.VideoGame/SoulSeries and Lloyd Irving appearing in VideoGame/SoulCaliburLegends. It helps that the ''Franchise/BlazBlue'' series was getting started when more Tales of games were coming out internationally alongside a revitalization of the 2D fighter.
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* FriendlyFandoms: Some players of this franchise are also fighting-game players as the combat system is very similar to that of a combo-focused fighting game. With VideoGame/TalesOfLegendia being developed by those who worked on Franchise/Tekken and the VideoGame/SoulSeries. It helps that the ''Franchise/BlazBlue'' series was getting started when more Tales of games were coming out internationally alongside a revitalization of the 2D fighter.
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* FriendlyFandoms: Some players of this franchise are also fighting-game players as the combat system is very similar to that of a combo-focused fighting game. With VideoGame/TalesOfLegendia being developed by those who worked on Franchise/Tekken Franchise/{{Tekken}} and the VideoGame/SoulSeries. It helps that the ''Franchise/BlazBlue'' series was getting started when more Tales of games were coming out internationally alongside a revitalization of the 2D fighter.
