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** Anthony when he busts into Sweeney's barber shop in the midst of his shaving of Judge Turpin. What was he expecting?
** One wonders why Sweeney takes Lovett's advice to be patient in plotting his revenge at heart, spending his sweet time singing along with Turpin about pretty women. What was he expecting?
** Anthony when he busts into Sweeney's barber shop in the midst of his shaving of Judge Turpin. What was he expecting?
** One wonders why Sweeney takes Lovett's advice to be patient in plotting his revenge at heart, spending his sweet time singing along with Turpin about pretty women. What was he expecting?
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* FracturedFairyTale: Everything about Johanna's situation seems to be taken from a fairy tale, Rapunzel and Allerleirauh, in particular. Most of the main characters seem to be based on fairy tale archetypes (Mrs. Lovett is the deceitful witch, Anthony is the optimistic commoner, Johanna is the princess in distress, Toby is the orphan, and Turpin is the Devil).
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* Johanna sometimes portrayed as insane from the beginning of the show. Actually, the libretto, especially "Kiss me", implies her to be at least paranoid and unstable. Also, she is the one who [[spoiler: shoots Fogg]]. Could repeat that again - [[HiddenDepths a demure young noble lady of late XVIII-early XIX century who never left her house and most probably never lifted anything heavier than a needle, never saw any blood and gore and couldn't see even a picture of a pistol]] [[spoiler: shoots Fogg]]. She probably takes more after her father than anybody realises.
* Judge Turpin, of all people, gets one depending on whether his song [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMA3fa-yO-k&feature=related "Johanna"]] removed or not (that being said, it is so often removed [[NauseaFuel for]] [[{{Squick}} a]] [[BrainBleach good]] [[TooSpicyForYogSothoth reason]]). This song shows that he actually tried to resist the temptation Johanna was causing and even seems to imply that she was his MoralityPet. "Johanna, Johanna, I treasured you in innocence and loved you like a daughter".
* Judge Turpin, of all people, gets one depending on whether his song [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMA3fa-yO-k&feature=related "Johanna"]] removed or not (that being said, it is so often removed [[NauseaFuel for]] [[{{Squick}} a]] [[BrainBleach good]] [[TooSpicyForYogSothoth reason]]). This song shows that he actually tried to resist the temptation Johanna was causing and even seems to imply that she was his MoralityPet. "Johanna, Johanna, I treasured you in innocence and loved you like a daughter".
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* Judge Turpin, of all people, gets one depending on whether his song [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMA3fa-yO-k&feature=related "Johanna"]] removed or not (that being said, it is so often removed [[NauseaFuel for]] [[{{Squick}} a]] [[BrainBleach good]] [[TooSpicyForYogSothoth reason]]). This song shows that he actually tried to resist the temptation Johanna was causing and even seems to imply that she was his MoralityPet. "Johanna, Johanna, I treasured you in innocence and loved you like a daughter".
* Judge Turpin, of all people, gets one depending on whether his song [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMA3fa-yO-k&feature=related "Johanna"]] removed or not (that being said, it is so often removed [[NauseaFuel for]] [[{{Squick}} a]] [[BrainBleach good]] [[TooSpicyForYogSothoth reason]]). This song shows that he actually tried to resist the temptation Johanna was causing and even seems to imply that she was his MoralityPet. "Johanna, Johanna, I treasured you in innocence and loved you like a daughter".
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* DespairEventHorizon: Sweeney definitely crosses it when he kills [[spoiler:his wife Lucy]] and later finds out what he's done and [[spoiler: feels heavy regret]]. This implies that he's shown heavy regret for his actions and the end [[spoiler: reveals how much suffering he has felt throughout the film.]]
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*** Sweeney himself is more together. He is nearly a CompleteMonster for being a SerialKiller, but is still a WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds.
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* CompleteMonster: Judge Turpin definitely, and probably the Beadle as well. Lovett [[MoralEventHorizon debatably becomes this too.]]
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** Also, the casting of Sweeney Todd himself varies from actor to actor - George Hearn's Todd is [[BoisterousBruiser powerfully built, with a boisterous,]] pitch-black sense of humor. [[LaughingMad His cackles]] after his HeroicBSOD (Although VillainousBreakdown / [[VillainousBSOD BSOD]] might fit here in this case) song end up matching Mrs. Lovett's StepfordSmiler evil. JohnnyDepp's Todd is a waif of a man. He's a quiet, haunted misanthrope ''before'' he snaps, and a barely-functional sociopath after, having to be led around and prodded into action by [[TheDarkChick Dark]] GenkiGirl Mrs. Lovett.
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** Also, the casting of Sweeney Todd himself varies from actor to actor - George Hearn's Todd is [[BoisterousBruiser powerfully built, with a boisterous,]] pitch-black sense of humor. [[LaughingMad His cackles]] after his HeroicBSOD song end up matching Mrs. Lovett's StepfordSmiler evil. JohnnyDepp's Todd is a waif of a man. He's a quiet, haunted misanthrope ''before'' he snaps, and a barely-functional sociopath after, having to be led around and prodded into action by [[TheDarkChick Dark]] GenkiGirl Mrs. Lovett.
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** Also, the casting of Sweeney Todd himself varies from actor to actor - George Hearn's Todd is [[BoisterousBruiser powerfully built, with a boisterous,]] pitch-black sense of humor. [[LaughingMad His cackles]] after his HeroicBSOD (Although VillainousBreakdown / [[VillainousBSOD BSOD]] might fit here in this case) song end up matching Mrs. Lovett's StepfordSmiler evil. JohnnyDepp's Todd is a waif of a man. He's a quiet, haunted misanthrope ''before'' he snaps, and a barely-functional sociopath after, having to be led around and prodded into action by [[TheDarkChick Dark]] GenkiGirl Mrs. Lovett.
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* HoYay: In the movie, there seem to be overtones of this between Beadle Bamford and Judge Turpin. Mostly coming from Bamford's end, though it IS kinda odd that he seems to spend so much time with the judge...
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* AccidentalNightmareFuel: After you get over the murderous barber and the cannibalism, enjoy your nightmares about the [[BreakTheCutie mentally deranged manchild.]] I can't sleep, Toby will get me.
** HighOctaneNightmareFuel: Toby's [[IronicNurseryTune pat-a-cake-pat-a-cake]] at the end, Judge Turpin, The tooth pulling scene (in the original), the 2005 revival.
** HighOctaneNightmareFuel: Toby's [[IronicNurseryTune pat-a-cake-pat-a-cake]] at the end, Judge Turpin, The tooth pulling scene (in the original), the 2005 revival.
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* NightmareFuel: After you get over the murderous barber and the cannibalism, enjoy your nightmares about the [[BreakTheCutie mentally deranged manchild.]] I can't sleep, Toby will get me.
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* NightmareFuel: After you get over the murderous barber and the cannibalism, enjoy your nightmares about the [[BreakTheCutie mentally deranged manchild.]] I can't sleep, Toby will get me.
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* HighOctaneNightmareFuel: HilariousInHindsight: When the movie came out, it was noted that there were three Harry Potter alums in the film. The actor who played Anthony in ''Sweeney Todd'' later played Grindelwald, so that's four.
* NightmareFuel: The rape scene. Jesus Christ, the rape scene. Some consider it to be ''the'' scariest scene in the movie.
* NightmareFuel: The rape scene. Jesus Christ, the rape scene. Some consider it to be ''the'' scariest scene in the movie.
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** The final scenes with Todd, [[spoiler: taking the dead Lucy on his arms, and Toby slashing his throat and he cradling her while slowly dying]]. Todd may have ended being an [[AxCrazy ax crazy]] psychopath, but the look on his eyes is the look of a completely broken man. Can you say StoicWoobie?
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** The final scenes with Todd, [[spoiler: taking the dead Lucy on his arms, and Toby slashing his throat and he cradling her while slowly dying]]. Todd may have ended being an [[AxCrazy ax crazy]] psychopath, but the look on his eyes is the look of a completely broken man. Can you say StoicWoobie?
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** Todd himself becomes this after ''The Epiphany''.
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** When Sweeney finds out Lovett lied to him, he takes her off her guard by dancing with her - and throws her into the furnace. Unlike the stage play, we can see exactly what happens as she screams and thrashes while she burns up.
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** The scene with Toby in the evil basement, when the poor kid finally learns what's in the pies -- and then has to watch as the just-murdered Beadle Bamford gets dumped right down into the basement with him. And then Mrs. Lovett and Sweeney come down into the sewer looking for him because they want to murder him too.
** The scene with Toby in the evil basement, when the poor kid finally learns what's in the pies -- and then has to watch as the just-murdered Beadle Bamford gets dumped right down into the basement with him. And then Mrs. Lovett and Sweeney come down into the sewer looking for him because they want to murder him too.
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* Evil Makeover: Sorta, or something. When Todd and Mrs. Lovett take Toby under their wing, Toby starts to get some characteristics from them, mostly the untamed hair and some eyebags and very pale skin.
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* HighOctaneNightmareFuel: The rape scene. Jesus Christ, the rape scene. Some (this troper included) consider it to be ''the'' scariest scene in the movie.
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* HilariousInHindsight: Mrs. Lovett often refers to Sweeney as [[MrT Mr. T]].
** In a very YMMV example, that is anything but HilariousInHindsight for this troper, having had a beloved teacher I referred to as "Mr. T" who had passed away the summer before I first saw Sweeney Todd
** In a very YMMV example, that is anything but HilariousInHindsight for this troper, having had a beloved teacher I referred to as "Mr. T" who had passed away the summer before I first saw Sweeney Todd
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* CompleteMonster: Judge Turpin definitely, and probably the Beadle as well. Todd and Lovett [[MoralEventHorizon debatably become this too.]]
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* CompleteMonster: Judge Turpin definitely, and probably the Beadle as well. Todd and Lovett [[MoralEventHorizon debatably become becomes this too.]]
* DespairEventHorizon: Sweeney definitely crosses it when he kills [[spoiler:his wife Lucy]] and later finds out what he's done and [[spoiler: feels heavy regret]]. This implies that he's shown heavy regret for his actions and the end [[spoiler: reveals how much suffering he has felt throughout the film.]]
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** "Epiphany". That is all. Sweeney basically says that all weak people would welcome death as a relief, while all strong people deserve it as a punishment.
** Sweeney definitely crosses it when he kills [[spoiler:his wife Lucy]]. Of course, he had no idea who she was, but you know you're AxCrazy if you deal with every inconvenient person by automatically killing them. And even if she was as bad as he was, the manner in which he kills Mrs. Lovett is a dick move.
** Sweeney definitely crosses it when he kills [[spoiler:his wife Lucy]]. Of course, he had no idea who she was, but you know you're AxCrazy if you deal with every inconvenient person by automatically killing them. And even if she was as bad as he was, the manner in which he kills Mrs. Lovett is a dick move.
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** The final scenes with Todd, [[spoiler: taking the dead Lucy on his arms, and Toby slashing his throat and he cradling her while slowly dying]]. Todd may have ended being a complete monster, an [[AxCrazy ax crazy]] psychopath, but the look on his eyes is the look of a completely broken man. Can you say StoicWoobie?
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** In a very YMMV example, that is anything but HilariousInHindsight for this troper, having had a beloved teacher I referred to as "Mr. T" who had passed away the summer before I first saw Sweeney Todd
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\"Retarded\" is an ableist and incredibly rude term to use to describe someone with mental illness.
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: All over the place. Toby, for one. As the role is vocally demanding, adults are often cast in the part, which makes for the question of whether Toby is a kid or a retarded man. For that note, the motives of the Beadle are ambiguous, whether he's a psychopath who's as bad as the judge or just a police officer who sincerely believes the judge is a good man. Then there's the matter of whether Anthony is a romantic hero who saves Johanna from the Judge or if he's a creepy stalker (though he's ''definitely'' a major step-up from Judge Turpin).
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: All over the place. Toby, for one. As the role is vocally demanding, adults are often cast in the part, which makes for the question of whether Toby is a kid or a retarded mentally disabled man. For that note, the motives of the Beadle are ambiguous, whether he's a psychopath who's as bad as the judge or just a police officer who sincerely believes the judge is a good man. Then there's the matter of whether Anthony is a romantic hero who saves Johanna from the Judge or if he's a creepy stalker (though he's ''definitely'' a major step-up from Judge Turpin).
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* SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic: ''The Ballad of Sweeney Todd'', ''Epiphany'', and ''A Little Priest'', just to name a few.
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* SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic: ''The Ballad of Sweeney Todd'', ''Epiphany'', and ''A Little Priest'', just to name a few. Well... really the entire song list (given the right cast) but bonus points go to [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=pDa9QEJrQQs#t=130s ''Johanna Reprise'']].
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** The final scenes with Todd, [[spoiler: taking the dead Lucy on his arms, and Toby slashing his throat and he cradling her while slowly dying]]. Todd may have ended being a complete monster, but the look on his eyes is the look of a completely broken man. Can you say StoicWoobie?
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** JerkassWoobie: Mrs. Lovett.
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* CompleteMonster: Judge Turpin definitely. Todd and Lovett [[MoralEventHorizon debatably become this too.]]
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: All over the place. Toby, for one. As the role is vocally demanding, adults are often cast in the part, which makes for the question of whether Toby is a kid or a retarded man. For that note, the motives of the Beadle are ambiguous, whether he's a psychopath who's as bad as the judge or just a police officer who sincerely believes the judge is a good man. Then there's the matter of whether Anthony is a romantic hero who saves Johanna from the Judge or if he's a creepy stalker (though he's ''definitely'' a major step-up from Judge Turpin.)
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: All over the place. Toby, for one. As the role is vocally demanding, adults are often cast in the part, which makes for the question of whether Toby is a kid or a retarded man. For that note, the motives of the Beadle are ambiguous, whether he's a psychopath who's as bad as the judge or just a police officer who sincerely believes the judge is a good man. Then there's the matter of whether Anthony is a romantic hero who saves Johanna from the Judge or if he's a creepy stalker (though he's ''definitely'' a major step-up from Judge Turpin.)Turpin).
** Also, the casting of Sweeney Todd himself varies from actor to actor - George Hearn's Todd is [[BoisterousBruiser powerfully built, with a boisterous,]] pitch-black sense of humor. [[LaughingMad His cackles]] after his HeroicBSOD song end up matching Mrs. Lovett's StepfordSmiler evil. JohnnyDepp's Todd is a waif of a man. He's a quiet, haunted misanthrope ''before'' he snaps, and a barely-functional sociopath after, having to be led around and prodded into action by [[TheDarkChick Dark]] GenkiGirl Mrs. Lovett.
** Also, the casting of Sweeney Todd himself varies from actor to actor - George Hearn's Todd is [[BoisterousBruiser powerfully built, with a boisterous,]] pitch-black sense of humor. [[LaughingMad His cackles]] after his HeroicBSOD song end up matching Mrs. Lovett's StepfordSmiler evil. JohnnyDepp's Todd is a waif of a man. He's a quiet, haunted misanthrope ''before'' he snaps, and a barely-functional sociopath after, having to be led around and prodded into action by [[TheDarkChick Dark]] GenkiGirl Mrs. Lovett.
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* InformedAttractiveness: Lucy and Johanna
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** {{Justified|Trope}} in that it was written as a stage musical. If you are in the back row of a theater, it's hard to tell who's supposed to be attractive and who's supposed to be ugly. Simply having another character state it makes it easier on the costume designers and makeup artists.
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