History YMMV / SweeneyToddTheDemonBarberOfFleetStreet

21st Nov '16 2:25:07 AM Saveelich
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** Now there are [[spoiler:two versions of Gellert Grindelwald appearing side by side, [[Film/HarryPotterAndTheDeathlyHallows Jamie Campbell]] Bower and [[Film/FantasticBeastsAndWhereToFindThem Johnny Depp]].]]

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** Now there are [[spoiler:two versions of Gellert Grindelwald appearing side by side, [[Film/HarryPotterAndTheDeathlyHallows Jamie Campbell]] Bower Campbell Bower]] and [[Film/FantasticBeastsAndWhereToFindThem Johnny Depp]].]]
21st Nov '16 2:19:51 AM Saveelich
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** Now there are [[spoiler:two versions of Gellert Grindelwald appearing side by side, [[Film/HarryPotterAndTheDeathlyHallows Jamie Campbell]] Bower and [[Film/FantasticBeastsAndWhereToFindThem Johnny Depp]].]]
12th Nov '16 4:19:44 PM nombretomado
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** Also, the casting of Sweeney Todd himself varies from actor to actor George Hearn's Todd is [[BoisterousBruiser powerfully built, with a boisterous,]] pitch-black sense of humor. [[LaughingMad His cackles]] after his HeroicBSOD (Or VillainousBreakdown / [[VillainousBSOD BSOD]] in this case) song end up matching Mrs. Lovett's StepfordSmiler evil. JohnnyDepp's Todd is a waif of a man. He's a quiet, haunted misanthrope ''before'' he snaps, and a barely-functional sociopath after, having to be led around and prodded into action by [[TheDarkChick Dark]] GenkiGirl Mrs. Lovett.

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** Also, the casting of Sweeney Todd himself varies from actor to actor George Hearn's Todd is [[BoisterousBruiser powerfully built, with a boisterous,]] pitch-black sense of humor. [[LaughingMad His cackles]] after his HeroicBSOD (Or VillainousBreakdown / [[VillainousBSOD BSOD]] in this case) song end up matching Mrs. Lovett's StepfordSmiler evil. JohnnyDepp's Creator/JohnnyDepp's Todd is a waif of a man. He's a quiet, haunted misanthrope ''before'' he snaps, and a barely-functional sociopath after, having to be led around and prodded into action by [[TheDarkChick Dark]] GenkiGirl Mrs. Lovett.
8th Nov '16 10:58:40 AM Vorpoler
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** One could argue that he crossed it the instant he decided to give in to despair and murder innocent people unlucky enough to wander into his barbershop.

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** *** One could argue that he crossed it the instant he decided to give in to despair and murder innocent people unlucky enough to wander into his barbershop.
8th Nov '16 10:57:48 AM Vorpoler
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** One could argue that he crossed it the instant he decided to give in to despair and murder innocent people unlucky enough to wander into his barbershop.
18th Sep '16 10:24:12 PM Cakeman
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* CompleteMonster: Judge Turpin is a corrupt HangingJudge in Victorian London and the man who begins Sweeney's start of darkness when, lusting after the then-younger barber's wife, Turpin has him imprisoned on a penal colony for decades of hard labor so he can seduce his wife. When she refuses, Turpin has her lured to his home under pretense of offering to free her husband- but rapes her instead, and steals her daughter as his ward. Turpin guards her jealously, having a younger sailor brutally beaten for ''looking'' at her and plans to marry her himself. When she refuses and tries to run away he sends her to an asylum where he knows she'll be mistreated. At another point, Turpin sentences a little boy to death by hanging...and then asks his sidekick, the Beadle Bamford, [[KangarooCourt if the boy was even guilty of anything.]]

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* CompleteMonster: Judge Turpin is even worse than his musical counterpart. He is a corrupt HangingJudge in Victorian London and the man who begins Sweeney's start of darkness when, lusting after the then-younger barber's wife, Turpin has him imprisoned on a penal colony for decades of hard labor so he can seduce his wife. When she refuses, Turpin has her lured to his home under pretense of offering to free her husband- but rapes her instead, and steals her daughter as his ward. Turpin guards her jealously, having a younger sailor brutally beaten for ''looking'' at her and plans to marry her himself. When she refuses and tries to run away he sends her to an asylum where he knows she'll be mistreated. At another point, Turpin sentences a little boy to death by hanging...and then asks his sidekick, the Beadle Bamford, [[KangarooCourt if the boy was even guilty of anything.]]
29th Aug '16 7:13:50 AM Gravidef
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* OriginalCastPrecedent: It's typical for Judge Turpin to be played by a [[LeanAndMean tall, thin]] man, while Beadle Bamford is a [[LargeAndInCharge shorter, bigger]] actor. This fits the description of Edmund Lyndeck and Jack Eric Williams, who played the original roles.

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* OriginalCastPrecedent: It's typical for Judge Turpin to be played by a [[LeanAndMean tall, thin]] man, while Beadle Bamford is a [[LargeAndInCharge [[FatBastard shorter, bigger]] actor. This fits the description of Edmund Lyndeck and Jack Eric Williams, who played the original roles.
29th Aug '16 7:11:52 AM Gravidef
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* OriginalCastPrecedent: It's typical for Judge Turpin to be played by a [[LeanAndMean tall, thin]] man, while Beadle Bamford is a [[LargeAndInCharge shorter, bigger]] actor. This fits the description of Edmund Lyndeck and Jack Eric Williams, who played the original roles.
19th Jul '16 12:32:50 AM Seraphine
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* NightmareFuel: After you get over the murderous barber and the cannibalism, enjoy your nightmares about [[spoiler:the [[BreakTheCutie mentally deranged manchild.]] I can't sleep, Toby will get me.]]
** [[spoiler:Toby]]'s [[IronicNurseryTune pat-a-cake-pat-a-cake]] at the end, Judge Turpin, The tooth pulling scene (in the original), the 2005 revival.
** "Epiphany" is particularly horrifying. Watching Sweeney take a flying leap into the pit of insanity, combined with the song's [[MoodWhiplash tendency]] to switch between his declaring vengeance on all of humanity and mourning his wife and daughter.
** The beggar woman becomes that much more horrifically tragic when you realize [[spoiler: she's Sweeney's wife and the combination of the traumatic assault and attempted suicide have left her a shell of her former self.]]
** Judge Turpin's song ''Johanna'' is often cut...and for good reason. A horror-thriller musical about serial killers and cannibalism is disturbing enough but ''Johanna (Judge's Reprise)'' takes it to a whole new level.
** Then there's [[BedlamHouse Fogg's Asylum]]...



* TearJerker: During the "Final Scene", [[spoiler: just after throwing Mrs. Lovett into the oven, Sweeney returns to his dead wife's side.]] In the original version of the scene, he sings a reprise of "Not While I'm Around", which has since been replaced with a reprise of "The Barber and His Wife". Either one fits this trope.
** [[spoiler:Sweeney Todd's reaction in general to him accidentally killing his wife. Imagine if you were in his position. You killed the person you love the most and you had no idea it was them the whole time. Some versions have him look so anguished as he stands over her corpse. Some also have him cradle her body before Toby slashes his throat.]]



* NightmareFuel: The rape scene. Jesus Christ, the rape scene. Some consider it to be ''the'' scariest scene in the movie. Not helped at all by Judge Turpin's creepy-ass owl mask.
** ALL of the throat-slitting scenes! Unlike the stage show, which use clearly harmless stage trickery, this movie loves getting up close to the victim's throats as Todd really digs his razor in, blood splattering everywhere, complete with nauseating sound-effects to make it extra-visceral.
*** Arguably the worst is Pirelli's. The [[HellIsThatNoise pained gurgling noises]] really sell it.
** The beggar woman's capacity for this was ramped right up for the movie.
*** [[CassandraTruth "City on fiiiiiiiiiire, city on fiiiiiiiiire...MISCHIEF! MISCHIEF!"]]
** The scene with Toby in the evil basement, when the poor kid finally learns what's in the pies and then has to watch as the just-murdered Beadle Bamford gets dumped right down into the basement with him. And then Mrs. Lovett and Sweeney come down into the sewer looking for him because they want to murder him too.
** When Sweeney finds out Lovett lied to him, he takes her off her guard by dancing with her and throws her into the furnace. Unlike the stage play, we can see exactly what happens as she screams and thrashes while she burns up. The last shot of her shows [[NauseaFuel a shrieking, thrashing black]] ''[[NauseaFuel thing]]'', with her face reduced to TheBlank by the [[FacialHorror sheer amount of damage]] it's taken.
*** Imagine being Mrs. Lovett and what you're thinking in that situation. The person you love finds out that you indirectly killed their wife by lying to them about if their spouse was alive or not. But suddenly, the person you're in love with is okay with that! You start dancing with him and he's saying that she's already dead and that there's no point in worrying about the past. You think you're gonna marry him, live together in your dream world when suddenly, he throws you into an open oven. As you're screaming in pain and agony, he closes the oven door with an expressionless look on his face. And that's how you die...
** [[spoiler: Toby killing Todd]]. In the play, his HeroicBSOD is shown by having him stumble about while mumbling nursery rhymes with a crazed half-laugh. Here? He crawls out of the sewer, casually picks up Todd's razor, kills him where he stands and lumbers out the door. All while completely stone-faced.
** The fate of Fogg. Instead of being [[WhamShot shot dead by Johanna like in the play,]] Anthony spirits her away from the [[HellholePrison asylum,]] leaving him [[LaserGuidedKarma "to the mercy of (his)... 'children.'"]] No sooner do the couple leave the cell than [[AssholeVictim Fogg]] [[TheDogBitesBack is immediately swarmed and violently ripped apart by a gaggle of his deranged female prisoners,]] emaciated and unkempt enough to resemble a zombie horde. Considering [[FridgeHorror at the very least]] [[WardensAreEvil that he probably didn't feed them well,]] and the core story involves [[ImAHumanitarian cannibalism...]]
** Less severe than other examples (because he's shown to be completely fine a couple scenes later,) but the Beadle's absolutely '''brutal''' beating towards poor Antony is pretty hard to watch. Especially because Antony is one of the only genuinely kind and sympathetic characters in the film.



* TearJerker: "Forget my face."
** The rape scene.
** The "Johanna" reprise, which implies that as much as Sweeney misses his daughter and hopes to have her back, he really can't help but to feel a deep disconnection.
** "Not While I'm Around" is more of a FridgeHorror tearjerker, since it all goes waaaaaay downhill from there.
*** In the film adaptation, Mrs. Lovett, trying to conceal her anguish as she tries to remain cheerful around Toby, sensing that bad things will come for Toby because he voiced his suspicions about Todd.
** Anthony's and Johanna's final interaction on-screen. He assures her that they can leave all the "ghosts" behind. However, Johanna disagrees, believing that the ghosts would never die. Although its implied they did manage to escape Tupin's clutches and move on, Johanna knows that the trauma will always haunt her.
** The final scenes with Todd, [[spoiler: taking the dead Lucy on his arms, and Toby slashing his throat and he cradling her while slowly dying]]. Todd may have ended up becoming a psychopath, but the look on his eyes is the look of a completely broken man. Can you say StoicWoobie?
19th Jul '16 12:32:50 AM Seraphine
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