History YMMV / Supernatural

14th Apr '17 3:11:32 AM SorPepita
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** According to one demon, UsefulNotes/DickCheney has his own personal room reserved in Hell. Plus, Crowley owns his soul.

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** According to one demon, UsefulNotes/DickCheney Dick Cheney has his own personal room reserved in Hell. Plus, Crowley owns his soul.



** Castiel and any angel storyline in general. Angel-centric episodes generally pull lower viewership ratings, and as Castiel's and angelic powers [[spoiler:[[BadassDecay continue to decrease]]]] as the series progresses, there have been repeated debates over his and other angels' continued presence and purpose in the show. [[spoiler:WordOfGod is that episodes that heavily feature Misha gives Jared and Jensen an opportunity to spend time with their families, which helps to justify Castiel's continued role in the series.]]

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** Castiel and any angel storyline in general. Angel-centric episodes generally pull lower viewership ratings, and as Castiel's and angelic powers [[spoiler:[[BadassDecay continue to decrease]]]] as the series progresses, there have been repeated debates over his and other angels' continued presence and purpose in the show. [[spoiler:WordOfGod is that episodes that heavily feature Misha gives give Jared and Jensen an opportunity to spend time with their families, which helps to justify Castiel's continued role in the series.]]
21st Mar '17 9:27:40 AM KizunaTallis
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* CounterpartComparison: Both ''Supernatural'' and ''Series/OnceUponATime have [[spoiler:an evil force known as "The Darkness" that existed long before the start of their respective narratives and has been re-released back into the world after being bonded to an individual via a magical blade.]]

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* CounterpartComparison: Both ''Supernatural'' and ''Series/OnceUponATime ''Series/OnceUponATime'' have [[spoiler:an evil force known as "The Darkness" that existed long before the start of their respective narratives and has been re-released back into the world after being bonded to an individual via a magical blade.]]
21st Mar '17 9:27:22 AM KizunaTallis
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* CounterpartComparison: Both Supernatural and Once Upon a Time's most recent season finales have ended in the reveal that [[spoiler: some evil force known as "The darkness" existed long before the start of their respective narratives and has been re-released back into the world after being bonded to an individual via a magical blade.]]

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* CounterpartComparison: Both Supernatural ''Supernatural'' and Once Upon a Time's most recent season finales ''Series/OnceUponATime have ended in the reveal that [[spoiler: some [[spoiler:an evil force known as "The darkness" Darkness" that existed long before the start of their respective narratives and has been re-released back into the world after being bonded to an individual via a magical blade.]]
19th Mar '17 6:28:59 AM NightShade96
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* BrokenBase:
** The Psychology Club vs. Action, Monsters, and Rock Salt vs. The Hardy Boys with Hotties.
** Sam!Girls vs. Dean!Girls vs. Bi!Bro. Castiel!girls are now starting to get into the mix as well.
** In addition to arguing over who's the best/hottest character, there also are fans, at any given time, arguing over who the show shoves into the background and who takes up all the spotlight: Sam[[note]]who, admittedly, was objectively a lot more important to the story for the first two seasons[[/note]], Dean, or Castiel?
** Monsters Of The Week vs. The Destiny/Self-Worth Arcs.
** Fans are split over whether the best era of the show is Seasons 1-3 with arguably stronger MonsterOfTheWeek episodes, or Seasons 4-5 with the Apocalypse arc and the introduction of Castiel. Many feel the show dropped in quality [[PostScriptSeason after Season 5]] and the [[OnlyTheCreatorDoesItRight departure of Eric Kripke]], but then again, the fandom is split between those who still enjoy it and those who want the show to be cancelled.
** More broadly fought are the Showrunner Wars: Eric Kripke vs. Sera Gamble. With Jeremy Carver stepping up as the new showrunner, it's bound to only get worse.
** Destiel (Dean/Castiel) vs. Wincest (Sam/Dean). Destiel has become a base breaker itself lately, even among those who ship it. Mostly because of those who wear their ShippingGoggles too tight.
** "Yay, guest stars!" vs. "Kill everyone who isn't Sam'n'Dean and make it especially brutal if they could possibly become a LoveInterest."
** Following "Everybody Hates Hitler," Canon Bi/Gay!Dean vs. Canon Straight!Dean
** The whole Sam v. Dean business in general. Due to their OddCouple personalities, many fans are going to identify with one brother more than the other, but anytime they fight, it turns into one brother being a put-upon selfless martyr who is continually victimized by the other brother's heartless treatment.
*** The Season 9 conflict: [[spoiler: Did Dean essentially rape Sam by forcing a possession onto him without his consent, and Sam can't ever trust him again? Or did Dean selflessly and lovingly do what he had to do to save Sam's life, and should now disown Sam for his far worse and more abusive retaliatory speeches? Or, are you in the middle, think both brothers have a case right now, but that they're both acting like teenagers?]]
** After the BackdoorPilot for the spin-off "Supernatural: Bloodlines" aired, there's a division between those who think it has potential and interesting characters and those who think it's full of clichés, has ''another'' StuffedInTheFridge set-up, and shatters the show's canon (having shapeshifters who magically shapeshift and live in a lavish house instead of peeling off their skin and living in sewers.) Though it's a bit of a moot point after the poor reception got the show dropped.

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* BrokenBase:
** The Psychology Club vs. Action, Monsters, and Rock Salt vs. The Hardy Boys with Hotties.
** Sam!Girls vs. Dean!Girls vs. Bi!Bro. Castiel!girls are now starting to get into the mix as well.
** In addition to arguing over who's the best/hottest character, there also are fans, at any given time, arguing over who the show shoves into the background and who takes up all the spotlight: Sam[[note]]who, admittedly, was objectively a lot more important to the story for the first two seasons[[/note]], Dean, or Castiel?
** Monsters Of The Week vs. The Destiny/Self-Worth Arcs.
** Fans are split over whether the best era of the show is Seasons 1-3 with arguably stronger MonsterOfTheWeek episodes, or Seasons 4-5 with the Apocalypse arc and the introduction of Castiel. Many feel the show dropped in quality [[PostScriptSeason after Season 5]] and the [[OnlyTheCreatorDoesItRight departure of Eric Kripke]], but then again, the fandom is split between those who still enjoy it and those who want the show to be cancelled.
** More broadly fought are the Showrunner Wars: Eric Kripke vs. Sera Gamble. With Jeremy Carver stepping up as the new showrunner, it's bound to only get worse.
** Destiel (Dean/Castiel) vs. Wincest (Sam/Dean). Destiel has become a base breaker itself lately, even among those who ship it. Mostly because of those who wear their ShippingGoggles too tight.
** "Yay, guest stars!" vs. "Kill everyone who isn't Sam'n'Dean and make it especially brutal if they could possibly become a LoveInterest."
** Following "Everybody Hates Hitler," Canon Bi/Gay!Dean vs. Canon Straight!Dean
** The whole Sam v. Dean business in general. Due to their OddCouple personalities, many fans are going to identify with one brother more than the other, but anytime they fight, it turns into one brother being a put-upon selfless martyr who is continually victimized by the other brother's heartless treatment.
*** The Season 9 conflict: [[spoiler: Did Dean essentially rape Sam by forcing a possession onto him without his consent, and Sam can't ever trust him again? Or did Dean selflessly and lovingly do what he had to do to save Sam's life, and should now disown Sam for his far worse and more abusive retaliatory speeches? Or, are you in the middle, think both brothers have a case right now, but that they're both acting like teenagers?]]
** After the BackdoorPilot for the spin-off "Supernatural: Bloodlines" aired, there's a division between those who think it has potential and interesting characters and those who think it's full of clichés, has ''another'' StuffedInTheFridge set-up, and shatters the show's canon (having shapeshifters who magically shapeshift and live in a lavish house instead of peeling off their skin and living in sewers.) Though it's a bit of a moot point after the poor reception got the show dropped.
BrokenBase: Has [[BrokenBase/{{Supernatural}} its own page]].
19th Mar '17 6:02:13 AM NightShade96
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: The show thrives on this so much that sometimes it comes back to bite them in the ass.
** Sam: truly pure at heart (in spite of his missteps) or a [[{{Wangst}} whiny]] and smug UngratefulBastard? Was he jealous of Gordon taking his brother (who also was one of the reliable [[PromotedToParent parental]] [[ParentalSubstitute figures]] he had) away from him, or was he genuinely concerned about Dean's latching onto a [[ReplacementGoldfish replacement father figure]]?
** Dean.
*** There's no denying he has a bit of a martyr complex. Is it saintly or just unhealthy?
*** Dean's HandsomeLech tendencies: funny and harmless, or compulsive and slightly sad? Is he really a charming playboy or is he just a "do-and-ditch" type with CommitmentIssues? And if it's the latter, to what extent is the issue due to his life as a hunter? Add the fact that Dean is also a BloodKnight
*** Dean's attitude towards Sam: selflessly looking after his brother no matter what, or is he selfish, controlling, self-righteous, and even abusive? And because of that, depending on how you look at it, Sam could either often times be an UngratefulBastard or [[StrawmanHasAPoint justifiably defiant]] when it comes to ignoring his brother's wishes.
** John Winchester: a once good man broken by loss and tried to do the best that he could, or a callous bastard who emotionally abused his children in his obsessive desire for revenge?
** Ruby: did she truly care about Sam or was she just using him [[spoiler:to raise Lucifer]]? One could use [[RewatchBonus evidence drawn from the previous episodes]] to argue that her apparent concern and happiness for Sam were always all part of an act designed to keep manipulating him for a scheme she didn't survive to follow up on, or as simple mind-games used to toy with Sam. On the other hand, one could ''also'' use evidence drawn from those same episodes to argue that that Ruby did love Sam... as best a demon can love a hunter, at least, with all the intentional/unintentional cruelty and delusion that entails. For their money, Creator/EricKripke and Genevieve Padalecki [[WordOfGod both state]] that Ruby did love Sam in her own way, but whereas Eric felt that Ruby thought that she was doing what she thought was best for Sam and was well-meaning at heart, Gen theorized that Ruby's "love" for Sam came from his power and possibly (though Gen didn't mention this part, since it was before TheReveal) her knowledge of his destiny.
** Was [[spoiler:Anna]] following Heaven's orders or not in "The Song Remains the Same"? There's just as much evidence to support one as the other. InUniverse, she even argues about which one it is with Cass. Moreover, was she the villain of the episode trying to murder the Winchesters even after they helped save her, a very dark, very desperate Anti-hero / Anti-villain using evil methods to prevent a worse outcome, or a Hero Antagonist trying to undo the Apocalypse by making it so the heroes never existed?
** In "Time After Time", was Chronos an unrepentant monster who killed only to fuel his own powers, or was he genuinely tired of millennia of involuntary "Quantum-Leaping" through time and honestly believed his victims were necessary sacrifices so he could remain tethered to 1944 and be with the woman he loved?
** Castiel: Is he a naive, socially awkward but well-meaning angel who selflessly devotes himself to his friends and gets abused and taken advantage of? Or is he an amoral, calculating, borderline sociopath on a power trip who gets off on controlling and manipulating everyone around him? At the end of Season 6, did [[spoiler:he betray the Winchesters, or did they betray him]]? Or both? [[spoiler:Was he really trying to save the world, or was he just Drunk With Power by that point]]? There was some, ahem, heated discussion about this following the Season 6 finale.
** In "Sacrifice", was Jane really the only Nephilim in existence or was Metatron simply lying to Castiel in order to get him to kill "[[FantasticRacism an abomination]]" as he saw it? Considering that he repeatedly lies to Castiel about what they are doing, this throws the rest of his claims into doubt as well?
** Is God a [[GodIsGood benevolent father figure]] who who truly cares about humans and angels, but values free will to such an extent that He refuses to directly intervene and be a literal DeusExMachina? A [[GodIsFlawed well-meaning, but imperfect]] creator who really cared, but couldn't prevent things from falling apart? Or a [[JerkAssGods hypocritical jerk]] whose blatant [[ParentalFavoritism favoritism of one child and then another]] and eventual leaving make him a deadbeat father at best if not a [[GodIsEvil cruel, capricious jerk]] who set everything up for his own amusement?

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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: The show thrives on this so much that sometimes it comes back to bite them in the ass.
** Sam: truly pure at heart (in spite of his missteps) or a [[{{Wangst}} whiny]] and smug UngratefulBastard? Was he jealous of Gordon taking his brother (who also was one of the reliable [[PromotedToParent parental]] [[ParentalSubstitute figures]] he had) away from him, or was he genuinely concerned about Dean's latching onto a [[ReplacementGoldfish replacement father figure]]?
** Dean.
*** There's no denying he has a bit of a martyr complex. Is it saintly or just unhealthy?
*** Dean's HandsomeLech tendencies: funny and harmless, or compulsive and slightly sad? Is he really a charming playboy or is he just a "do-and-ditch" type with CommitmentIssues? And if it's the latter, to what extent is the issue due to his life as a hunter? Add the fact that Dean is also a BloodKnight
*** Dean's attitude towards Sam: selflessly looking after his brother no matter what, or is he selfish, controlling, self-righteous, and even abusive? And because of that, depending on how you look at it, Sam could either often times be an UngratefulBastard or [[StrawmanHasAPoint justifiably defiant]] when it comes to ignoring his brother's wishes.
** John Winchester: a once good man broken by loss and tried to do the best that he could, or a callous bastard who emotionally abused his children in his obsessive desire for revenge?
** Ruby: did she truly care about Sam or was she just using him [[spoiler:to raise Lucifer]]? One could use [[RewatchBonus evidence drawn from the previous episodes]] to argue that her apparent concern and happiness for Sam were always all part of an act designed to keep manipulating him for a scheme she didn't survive to follow up on, or as simple mind-games used to toy with Sam. On the other hand, one could ''also'' use evidence drawn from those same episodes to argue that that Ruby did love Sam... as best a demon can love a hunter, at least, with all the intentional/unintentional cruelty and delusion that entails. For their money, Creator/EricKripke and Genevieve Padalecki [[WordOfGod both state]] that Ruby did love Sam in her
Has [[AlternativeCharacterInterpretation/{{Supernatural}} its own way, but whereas Eric felt that Ruby thought that she was doing what she thought was best for Sam and was well-meaning at heart, Gen theorized that Ruby's "love" for Sam came from his power and possibly (though Gen didn't mention this part, since it was before TheReveal) her knowledge of his destiny.
** Was [[spoiler:Anna]] following Heaven's orders or not in "The Song Remains the Same"? There's just as much evidence to support one as the other. InUniverse, she even argues about which one it is with Cass. Moreover, was she the villain of the episode trying to murder the Winchesters even after they helped save her, a very dark, very desperate Anti-hero / Anti-villain using evil methods to prevent a worse outcome, or a Hero Antagonist trying to undo the Apocalypse by making it so the heroes never existed?
** In "Time After Time", was Chronos an unrepentant monster who killed only to fuel his own powers, or was he genuinely tired of millennia of involuntary "Quantum-Leaping" through time and honestly believed his victims were necessary sacrifices so he could remain tethered to 1944 and be with the woman he loved?
** Castiel: Is he a naive, socially awkward but well-meaning angel who selflessly devotes himself to his friends and gets abused and taken advantage of? Or is he an amoral, calculating, borderline sociopath on a power trip who gets off on controlling and manipulating everyone around him? At the end of Season 6, did [[spoiler:he betray the Winchesters, or did they betray him]]? Or both? [[spoiler:Was he really trying to save the world, or was he just Drunk With Power by that point]]? There was some, ahem, heated discussion about this following the Season 6 finale.
** In "Sacrifice", was Jane really the only Nephilim in existence or was Metatron simply lying to Castiel in order to get him to kill "[[FantasticRacism an abomination]]" as he saw it? Considering that he repeatedly lies to Castiel about what they are doing, this throws the rest of his claims into doubt as well?
** Is God a [[GodIsGood benevolent father figure]] who who truly cares about humans and angels, but values free will to such an extent that He refuses to directly intervene and be a literal DeusExMachina? A [[GodIsFlawed well-meaning, but imperfect]] creator who really cared, but couldn't prevent things from falling apart? Or a [[JerkAssGods hypocritical jerk]] whose blatant [[ParentalFavoritism favoritism of one child and then another]] and eventual leaving make him a deadbeat father at best if not a [[GodIsEvil cruel, capricious jerk]] who set everything up for his own amusement?
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* BaseBreakingCharacter:
** John Winchester: [[AbusiveParents Bastard!Daddy]] or Daddy Of The Year? There seems to be a growing consensus among fans (at least on tumblr) that he was an awful human being who abused and neglected his children and pretty much ruined their lives. However, other fans remain adamant that John was, if not the best father, a three-dimensional character and a flawed human being who still loved Sam and Dean and really did do his best by them. Even the cast and crew seem divided, with Creator/JensenAckles [[spoiler:wanting him back on the show]] and Creator/JaredPadalecki thinking he was a bad parent. Funny, considering their characters' views on the subject. Jeffrey Dean Morgan himself was frustrated by his character's behavior, but ultimately defended him against criticism and said that John did love his kids.
** Ruby. There are fans who like the character and think she's a good ally and genuinely on the boys' side, those who are suspicious of her motives but think she's interesting, and other fans who flat-out hate her. [[spoiler:After TheReveal, fans are divided between those who still hate her, those who think the character got screwed over because fan-hate changed her original direction and preferred her as the demon who remembered being human, those who actually love her for being a devious villain, and those who see her as a TragicVillain who deserved a redemption arc like the ones Sam, Castiel, and even Meg and Crowley got.]] ''Then'' camps are split between who prefers Ruby 1.0 and who prefers Ruby 2.0, since Katie Cassidy and Genevieve Cortese play the character in two different ways.
** [[RichBitch Bela]]. Hated for [[spoiler:most of her short tenure]] on the show, she started getting viewed with more sympathy in "Time is on My Side" after she got [[spoiler:ripped apart by hellhounds, and became the subject of a petition to be brought back to the show]]. Some fans love her [[spoiler:and want her back on the show]] because they enjoy[[spoiler:ed]] the humor and the moral ambiguity she brought to the table, other fans are more accepting of her as a character after her last episode and would probably be open to future appearances if she were written right, and still other fans who will readily admit that her past was sad but still hate her guts for the things she did in the present and would prefer she [[spoiler:stay in Hell where she belongs]], thank you very much. That's in contrast to an overlap of people in the first two categories who would at least like Bela to be [[spoiler:gripped tight and raised out of Perdition (along with poor Adam) because both groups tend to feel that, whatever her crimes, she doesn't deserve to be paying for them with an eternity in {{Hell}}.]]
** Castiel in particular and the rest of the angels by extension, starting in Season 4 with their introduction and only getting more divisive every year. Are they still relevant to the series or shameless pandering? And, most importantly, does Castiel need to stick around as a series regular even if the angel storyline gets dropped, all the way up to the end of the series, or does he need to go, too?
** Sam, starting with [[JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope his behavior]] and [[KickTheMoralityPet treatment of Dean]] in Season 4. Although he tried to make amends in Season 5, [[NeverMyFault his continuing to lay some of the blame at Dean's feet]] grated some fans the wrong way, and his being the center of many of the more interesting story-lines in comparison to his brother only made it worse. Season 8 saw him become even more divisive with his ItsAllAboutMe attitude, which show-runners view as positive CharacterDevelopment and the majority of the fan-base viewed as incredibly selfish and self-righteous. He won back some sympathy with what Dean did to him in Season 9, but his response to Dean's actions received backlash that poured fuel on an already raging fire.
*** The blame game may have been pretty arrogant, but Sam had something of a point. Dean's only reason for not ''helping'' Sam was because the "demon bitch" was a dealbreaker, ignoring how Ruby had saved them countless times. Dean provoked the fight simply because he refused to reign in his phobia, and Sam was clearly being affected mentally by the demon blood. Calling him a monster was not a smart choice.
*** There was a bit more to it than that. Dean found out that said "demon bitch" was getting Sam to drink demon blood, and if the fact that it's demon blood isn't enough to indicate that ingesting it is a horrible idea, there's also the fact that the stuff gives him clearly unnatural powers, apparently alters his mood and cognitive capability, and is highly addictive to the point Sam goes through withdrawals without it and requires a detox in Bobby's demon-proofed basement each time he's trying to get off it. She was also egging Sam on in what was clearly becoming a dangerous and downright obsessive vendetta against Lilith, whom it was stated Ruby had dealings with in the past. Not to mention that by this point, Dean had spent what amounted to forty years in HELL, giving him a very clear inside view of the process that turns humans into demons. He had a number of things to base his judgement on, and while he certainly didn't handle it the best way, it turned out he was right not to trust her.
*** Sam has also struggled in this regard due to the NonPOVProtagonist issues. Not that Sam never gets perspective, and he does do legitimately dickish things on occasion. However, he tends to have a lot more plot revolving around him, and we tend to see a lot of more of Dean's mindset/emotions. Thus, when the brothers disagree, it tends to be a lot easier to understand Dean's perspective than Sam's, and therefore conclude that [[ProtagonistCentredMorality if Sam is going against Dean, he's "wrong."]] It doesn't help that since Dean's both a KnightTemplarBigBrother and a ParentalSubstitute whose life largely revolves around Sam, anytime Sam disagrees with him or does something hurtful he looks like an UngratefulBastard. Taken to extremes by [[VocalMinority some fans]] who cite Sam as selfish for "sins" such as going to college or, uh, [[spoiler:''dying'' in Season 9]] because Dean was against those things.
*** It's not so much that [[spoiler: Sam died,]] that fans were upset about, it's that when Dean saved him, Sam held it against him for the whole of the season. Yes, Dean was in the wrong for [[spoiler: tricking Sam into letting an angel possess him]], but all things considered, when Dean was pushed at multiple points by various parties to get over a number of Sam's less than admirable actions season after season, such as Sam running off with a demon who was only using him, killing Lilith and releasing Lucifer, abandoning Dean in Purgatory for a year to try to live a normal life and expressing more angst over the fact that Dean turned to others for help than any true regret for essentially abandoning his brother and friends in the first place... well, it comes off as somewhat disproportionate.
*** His not making any effort to find Dean after the end of Season 7 naturally ticked a lot of people off. And then there's the ones who think that could be seen in character if you squint a bit (it was reasonable to think Dean was simply dead, and by then it was quite clear how dangerous it was to reverse death), but are unable to accept his washing his hands of Kevin being Crowley's prisoner (particularly since he could have just let Garth know about it and gone on to whatever normal life he wanted) as anything approaching sense for the Sam we knew. And at the same time as this, he ''never'' acknowledges his own role in turning Benny into the monster he accused him of being, with the show acting like Dean was the only one at fault in that rift.
** The {{Anvilicious}}ly {{Adorkable}} Charlie Bradbury. A sweet, funny character doubling as a wonderful bit of positive representation for gays, geeks, and girls alike who is treated as a hero in her own right instead of the usual treatment of being a sidekick to the brothers, a loser, or an evil bitch, and so needs to stay alive and appear in more episodes? ''Or'' an offensive portrayal of aforementioned groups and SelfInsert for Robbie Thompson who usurps any episode she appears in, got way too close to the brothers in way too little time, and should've stayed dead in "Slumber Party"? The opinion you'll get depends on what site you're on.
*** And it doesn't help at all that the way she's written as a ''Harry Potter'' fan is quite tone-deaf, seeming to be based far more on the movies than the books. And of course her being a Harry/Hermione shipper.
** While Dean usually tops Sam in popularity, he also has detractors who find him abusive of Sam and resent him for some controversial actions like [[spoiler: killing Sam's friend Amy]]. In short, he's as much a BaseBreakingCharacter for dedicated Sam fans as the other way.

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* BaseBreakingCharacter:
** John Winchester: [[AbusiveParents Bastard!Daddy]] or Daddy Of The Year? There seems to be a growing consensus among fans (at least on tumblr) that he was an awful human being who abused and neglected his children and pretty much ruined their lives. However, other fans remain adamant that John was, if not the best father, a three-dimensional character and a flawed human being who still loved Sam and Dean and really did do his best by them. Even the cast and crew seem divided, with Creator/JensenAckles [[spoiler:wanting him back on the show]] and Creator/JaredPadalecki thinking he was a bad parent. Funny, considering their characters' views on the subject. Jeffrey Dean Morgan himself was frustrated by his character's behavior, but ultimately defended him against criticism and said that John did love his kids.
** Ruby. There are fans who like the character and think she's a good ally and genuinely on the boys' side, those who are suspicious of her motives but think she's interesting, and other fans who flat-out hate her. [[spoiler:After TheReveal, fans are divided between those who still hate her, those who think the character got screwed over because fan-hate changed her original direction and preferred her as the demon who remembered being human, those who actually love her for being a devious villain, and those who see her as a TragicVillain who deserved a redemption arc like the ones Sam, Castiel, and even Meg and Crowley got.]] ''Then'' camps are split between who prefers Ruby 1.0 and who prefers Ruby 2.0, since Katie Cassidy and Genevieve Cortese play the character in two different ways.
** [[RichBitch Bela]]. Hated for [[spoiler:most of her short tenure]] on the show, she started getting viewed with more sympathy in "Time is on My Side" after she got [[spoiler:ripped apart by hellhounds, and became the subject of a petition to be brought back to the show]]. Some fans love her [[spoiler:and want her back on the show]] because they enjoy[[spoiler:ed]] the humor and the moral ambiguity she brought to the table, other fans are more accepting of her as a character after her last episode and would probably be open to future appearances if she were written right, and still other fans who will readily admit that her past was sad but still hate her guts for the things she did in the present and would prefer she [[spoiler:stay in Hell where she belongs]], thank you very much. That's in contrast to an overlap of people in the first two categories who would at least like Bela to be [[spoiler:gripped tight and raised out of Perdition (along with poor Adam) because both groups tend to feel that, whatever her crimes, she doesn't deserve to be paying for them with an eternity in {{Hell}}.]]
** Castiel in particular and the rest of the angels by extension, starting in Season 4 with their introduction and only getting more divisive every year. Are they still relevant to the series or shameless pandering? And, most importantly, does Castiel need to stick around as a series regular even if the angel storyline gets dropped, all the way up to the end of the series, or does he need to go, too?
** Sam, starting with [[JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope his behavior]] and [[KickTheMoralityPet treatment of Dean]] in Season 4. Although he tried to make amends in Season 5, [[NeverMyFault his continuing to lay some of the blame at Dean's feet]] grated some fans the wrong way, and his being the center of many of the more interesting story-lines in comparison to his brother only made it worse. Season 8 saw him become even more divisive with his ItsAllAboutMe attitude, which show-runners view as positive CharacterDevelopment and the majority of the fan-base viewed as incredibly selfish and self-righteous. He won back some sympathy with what Dean did to him in Season 9, but his response to Dean's actions received backlash that poured fuel on an already raging fire.
*** The blame game may have been pretty arrogant, but Sam had something of a point. Dean's only reason for not ''helping'' Sam was because the "demon bitch" was a dealbreaker, ignoring how Ruby had saved them countless times. Dean provoked the fight simply because he refused to reign in his phobia, and Sam was clearly being affected mentally by the demon blood. Calling him a monster was not a smart choice.
*** There was a bit more to it than that. Dean found out that said "demon bitch" was getting Sam to drink demon blood, and if the fact that it's demon blood isn't enough to indicate that ingesting it is a horrible idea, there's also the fact that the stuff gives him clearly unnatural powers, apparently alters his mood and cognitive capability, and is highly addictive to the point Sam goes through withdrawals without it and requires a detox in Bobby's demon-proofed basement each time he's trying to get off it. She was also egging Sam on in what was clearly becoming a dangerous and downright obsessive vendetta against Lilith, whom it was stated Ruby had dealings with in the past. Not to mention that by this point, Dean had spent what amounted to forty years in HELL, giving him a very clear inside view of the process that turns humans into demons. He had a number of things to base his judgement on, and while he certainly didn't handle it the best way, it turned out he was right not to trust her.
*** Sam has also struggled in this regard due to the NonPOVProtagonist issues. Not that Sam never gets perspective, and he does do legitimately dickish things on occasion. However, he tends to have a lot more plot revolving around him, and we tend to see a lot of more of Dean's mindset/emotions. Thus, when the brothers disagree, it tends to be a lot easier to understand Dean's perspective than Sam's, and therefore conclude that [[ProtagonistCentredMorality if Sam is going against Dean, he's "wrong."]] It doesn't help that since Dean's both a KnightTemplarBigBrother and a ParentalSubstitute whose life largely revolves around Sam, anytime Sam disagrees with him or does something hurtful he looks like an UngratefulBastard. Taken to extremes by [[VocalMinority some fans]] who cite Sam as selfish for "sins" such as going to college or, uh, [[spoiler:''dying'' in Season 9]] because Dean was against those things.
*** It's not so much that [[spoiler: Sam died,]] that fans were upset about, it's that when Dean saved him, Sam held it against him for the whole of the season. Yes, Dean was in the wrong for [[spoiler: tricking Sam into letting an angel possess him]], but all things considered, when Dean was pushed at multiple points by various parties to get over a number of Sam's less than admirable actions season after season, such as Sam running off with a demon who was only using him, killing Lilith and releasing Lucifer, abandoning Dean in Purgatory for a year to try to live a normal life and expressing more angst over the fact that Dean turned to others for help than any true regret for essentially abandoning his brother and friends in the first place... well, it comes off as somewhat disproportionate.
*** His not making any effort to find Dean after the end of Season 7 naturally ticked a lot of people off. And then there's the ones who think that could be seen in character if you squint a bit (it was reasonable to think Dean was simply dead, and by then it was quite clear how dangerous it was to reverse death), but are unable to accept his washing his hands of Kevin being Crowley's prisoner (particularly since he could have just let Garth know about it and gone on to whatever normal life he wanted) as anything approaching sense for the Sam we knew. And at the same time as this, he ''never'' acknowledges his
BaseBreakingCharacter: Has [[BaseBreakingCharacter/{{Supernatural}} its own role in turning Benny into the monster he accused him of being, with the show acting like Dean was the only one at fault in that rift.
** The {{Anvilicious}}ly {{Adorkable}} Charlie Bradbury. A sweet, funny character doubling as a wonderful bit of positive representation for gays, geeks, and girls alike who is treated as a hero in her own right instead of the usual treatment of being a sidekick to the brothers, a loser, or an evil bitch, and so needs to stay alive and appear in more episodes? ''Or'' an offensive portrayal of aforementioned groups and SelfInsert for Robbie Thompson who usurps any episode she appears in, got way too close to the brothers in way too little time, and should've stayed dead in "Slumber Party"? The opinion you'll get depends on what site you're on.
*** And it doesn't help at all that the way she's written as a ''Harry Potter'' fan is quite tone-deaf, seeming to be based far more on the movies than the books. And of course her being a Harry/Hermione shipper.
** While Dean usually tops Sam in popularity, he also has detractors who find him abusive of Sam and resent him for some controversial actions like [[spoiler: killing Sam's friend Amy]]. In short, he's as much a BaseBreakingCharacter for dedicated Sam fans as the other way.
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** More broadly fought are the Showrunner Wars: Eric Kripke vs. Sera Gamble. With Jeremy Carver stepping up as the new showrunner, its bound to only get worse.

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** More broadly fought are the Showrunner Wars: Eric Kripke vs. Sera Gamble. With Jeremy Carver stepping up as the new showrunner, its it's bound to only get worse.



* EnsembleDarkHorse:
** [[Recap/SupernaturalS01E19Provenance Sarah Blake]]. Seven years after her one appearance, she's still a FanPreferredPairing for Sam (when not pairing him up with [[YaoiFangirls other males]], at least). Her popularity is probably the reason she got brought back for another episode in Season 8, [[spoiler:though she's now dead at Crowley's hands, so...]]
** Bobby. Even the actor expected him to have a small role, but he was deeply integrated into the show after his original appearance, becoming the third lead behind the boys. [[spoiler:When he finally departed for good, you cannot help but feel that the writers have done ''everything'' with the character that was needed, and are satisfied with the conclusion to his story despite it being a TearJerker.]] Very few characters ''anywhere'' got as much of a privilege as him.
** The fanbase may not take kindly to most recurring female characters, but it unanimously embraced Ellen; at one point, it was actually more common to pair ''her'' up with Dean (or Sam) than with Dean's ''intended'' LoveInterest, Ellen's daughter Jo. To a lesser extent, there's Ellen's fellow moms Jody Mills and Linda Tran.
** [[KnightTemplar Gordon]] [[HeWhoFightsMonsters Walker]].
** Agent Henriksen. TelevisionWithoutPity bestowed upon him the nickname "Agent Scooter [[InspectorJavert Javert]] Badassitude", [[MemeticBadass and it actually suits him]].
** Gabriel has both a large number of fans (he even has his own Big Bang on Livejournal) and a lot of people who want to see him again [[spoiler:even after he was KilledOffForReal by his brother]].
** Crowley manages to be [[LaughablyEvil hilarious]], [[WickedCultured classy]], and simply [[MagnificentBastard magnificent]]. He's also played by MarkSheppard.
** [[TheGrimReaper Death]]. His BigEntrance set to [[AwesomeMusic "O Death" by Jen Titus]] started it. Part of his badass credentials is that he's one of the very few supernatural entities that Dean actually respects. Dean being the guy that verbally abused an entire room full of gods multiple times as a way to offer his help, while unarmed and with no exit route. Death's on a completely different level from anything the boys have faced. He could solve just about any problem they had, it's just that he doesn't care any more than a biologist would care about the emotional state of a mold sample he's studying.
** Fans reaction to Abaddon since her promotion to part of the BigBadEnsemble of season nine has been quite positive.
** Benny the badass FriendlyNeighborhoodVampire [[spoiler:[[EscapedFromHell from Purgatory]]]], who teams up with Dean and calls him "brother". Being one of the show's latest [[TheWoobie woobies]] only sealed the deal.
** [[TheCutie Heaven's most adorable angel]] AKA Samandriel has the quite the devote fanbase as well. [[spoiler:His death only increased it]].
** [[DarkActionGirl Meg]]. Like every other female character, she definitely gets her share of hate, but as the longest-running secondary character on the show, she's also amassed a loyal fanbase [[spoiler: and there are campaigns to bring her back after she was abruptly killed off in "Goodbye Stranger".]]
** Charlie Bradbury is definitely this, especially with gay/lesbian fans since she's the only lesbian character of any significance in the entire history of the show. It's not hurt by the fact that she's treated with much more respect than most other female characters in the show, brings out Dean's more geeky tendencies and (in season 8) stars in geek-themed episodes, and manages to become one of the very few surviving recurring characters [[spoiler:or not]].
** Linda Tran has quite a large fanbase, who are clamoring for [[spoiler:her off-screen death in Season 8]] to be revealed to be fake. [[spoiler:[[SavedByTheFans Their voices have been heard!]]]]

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* EnsembleDarkHorse:
** [[Recap/SupernaturalS01E19Provenance Sarah Blake]]. Seven years after her one appearance, she's still a FanPreferredPairing for Sam (when not pairing him up with [[YaoiFangirls other males]], at least). Her popularity is probably the reason she got brought back for another episode in Season 8, [[spoiler:though she's now dead at Crowley's hands, so...]]
** Bobby. Even the actor expected him to have a small role, but he was deeply integrated into the show after his original appearance, becoming the third lead behind the boys. [[spoiler:When he finally departed for good, you cannot help but feel that the writers have done ''everything'' with the character that was needed, and are satisfied with the conclusion to his story despite it being a TearJerker.]] Very few characters ''anywhere'' got as much of a privilege as him.
** The fanbase may not take kindly to most recurring female characters, but it unanimously embraced Ellen; at one point, it was actually more common to pair ''her'' up with Dean (or Sam) than with Dean's ''intended'' LoveInterest, Ellen's daughter Jo. To a lesser extent, there's Ellen's fellow moms Jody Mills and Linda Tran.
** [[KnightTemplar Gordon]] [[HeWhoFightsMonsters Walker]].
** Agent Henriksen. TelevisionWithoutPity bestowed upon him the nickname "Agent Scooter [[InspectorJavert Javert]] Badassitude", [[MemeticBadass and it actually suits him]].
** Gabriel has both a large number of fans (he even has his
EnsembleDarkhorse: Has [[EnsembleDarkhorse/{{Supernatural}} its own Big Bang on Livejournal) and a lot of people who want to see him again [[spoiler:even after he was KilledOffForReal by his brother]].
** Crowley manages to be [[LaughablyEvil hilarious]], [[WickedCultured classy]], and simply [[MagnificentBastard magnificent]]. He's also played by MarkSheppard.
** [[TheGrimReaper Death]]. His BigEntrance set to [[AwesomeMusic "O Death" by Jen Titus]] started it. Part of his badass credentials is that he's one of the very few supernatural entities that Dean actually respects. Dean being the guy that verbally abused an entire room full of gods multiple times as a way to offer his help, while unarmed and with no exit route. Death's on a completely different level from anything the boys have faced. He could solve just about any problem they had, it's just that he doesn't care any more than a biologist would care about the emotional state of a mold sample he's studying.
** Fans reaction to Abaddon since her promotion to part of the BigBadEnsemble of season nine has been quite positive.
** Benny the badass FriendlyNeighborhoodVampire [[spoiler:[[EscapedFromHell from Purgatory]]]], who teams up with Dean and calls him "brother". Being one of the show's latest [[TheWoobie woobies]] only sealed the deal.
** [[TheCutie Heaven's most adorable angel]] AKA Samandriel has the quite the devote fanbase as well. [[spoiler:His death only increased it]].
** [[DarkActionGirl Meg]]. Like every other female character, she definitely gets her share of hate, but as the longest-running secondary character on the show, she's also amassed a loyal fanbase [[spoiler: and there are campaigns to bring her back after she was abruptly killed off in "Goodbye Stranger".]]
** Charlie Bradbury is definitely this, especially with gay/lesbian fans since she's the only lesbian character of any significance in the entire history of the show. It's not hurt by the fact that she's treated with much more respect than most other female characters in the show, brings out Dean's more geeky tendencies and (in season 8) stars in geek-themed episodes, and manages to become one of the very few surviving recurring characters [[spoiler:or not]].
** Linda Tran has quite a large fanbase, who are clamoring for [[spoiler:her off-screen death in Season 8]] to be revealed to be fake. [[spoiler:[[SavedByTheFans Their voices have been heard!]]]]
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* EvilIsCool:
** Meg. Her gleeful slaughter of John's friends in "Salvation" is at the same time utterly horrifying and totally awesome. Not to mention beating a pack of hellhounds in a fight ''by herself'', something no other character on the show has ever done. The fact that [[EvenEvilHasLovedOnes she still had some good in her]] makes her even cooler.
** Azazel is the epitome of this trope. Every second that he's on the screen is pure NightmareFuel, and it's ''awesome''. He even managed to pull all the strings to complete his master plan [[spoiler:after his death.]]
** '''Lucifer'''. One of the five things in existence that can survive an attack from the Colt, can rip apart ''gods'' with as much effort as it takes to swat a fly. [[spoiler:Even while trapped in the Cage, a ''hallucination'' of him was enough to nearly kill Sam.]]
** Dick Roman. Just watch when his face is nearly burned off, and he just keeps talking like it was a paper cut. Not to mention that he directly or indirectly killed [[spoiler:''[[HeroKiller three]]'' [[HeroKiller of the four main characters]]]], though [[spoiler: Dean and Castiel]] didn't stay dead.
** Crowley is this in spades. He's undergone some major BadassDecay recently, but for a time he was widely considered the only reason to watch the show. From [[spoiler:the way he played the Winchesters and the Campbells like a fiddle throughout Season 6]] to [[LaughablyEvil turning Hell into an eternal DMV line because Hell was getting too full of masochists who enjoyed being tortured, and]] ''[[LaughablyEvil nobody]]'' [[LaughablyEvil likes waiting in line]], he's at once hilarious, [[WickedCultured classy]], and simply [[MagnificentBastard magnificent.]]
** The Trickster/[[spoiler:Gabriel]]. His first appearance in "Tall Tales" is one extended CrowningMomentOfAwesome, but what takes the cake is his being the first monster to [[spoiler:outsmart the Winchesters]]. Even that is topped by his TheReasonYouSuckSpeech to [[DidYouJustFlipOffCthulhu Lucifer]], [[spoiler:[[DyingMomentOfAwesome even if it didn't end well.]]]] It helps that [[JerkassHasAPoint he usually has a valid point, even if his ways of going about proving it are quite extreme.]]
** [[spoiler:Deanmon]]. Even just his appearing at all is awesome.
** The Alpha Vampire, [[CreepyAwesome Eve's creepiest child.]] And he comes pretty close to wiping out the Campbell clan in his first appearance.
** Balthazar. Just look at his disintegration of ArchangelRaphael's vessel with Lot's salt. Also, the simple fact that it's believable, [[spoiler:albeit not true]], that he would actually travel back in time and change the course of history just because he hated ''Film/{{Titanic}}.''
** ArchangelMichael. His entrance in the series, burning [[spoiler:Anna]] to ashes with a touch and sending [[spoiler:Uriel]] away with a BadassFingersnap, solidifies him as awesome.

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* EvilIsCool:
** Meg. Her gleeful slaughter of John's friends in "Salvation" is at the same time utterly horrifying and totally awesome. Not to mention beating a pack of hellhounds in a fight ''by herself'', something no other character on the show has ever done. The fact that [[EvenEvilHasLovedOnes she still had some good in her]] makes her even cooler.
** Azazel is the epitome of this trope. Every second that he's on the screen is pure NightmareFuel, and it's ''awesome''. He even managed to pull all the strings to complete his master plan [[spoiler:after his death.]]
** '''Lucifer'''. One of the five things in existence that can survive an attack from the Colt, can rip apart ''gods'' with as much effort as it takes to swat a fly. [[spoiler:Even while trapped in the Cage, a ''hallucination'' of him was enough to nearly kill Sam.]]
** Dick Roman. Just watch when his face is nearly burned off, and he just keeps talking like it was a paper cut. Not to mention that he directly or indirectly killed [[spoiler:''[[HeroKiller three]]'' [[HeroKiller of the four main characters]]]], though [[spoiler: Dean and Castiel]] didn't stay dead.
** Crowley is this in spades. He's undergone some major BadassDecay recently, but for a time he was widely considered the only reason to watch the show. From [[spoiler:the way he played the Winchesters and the Campbells like a fiddle throughout Season 6]] to [[LaughablyEvil turning Hell into an eternal DMV line because Hell was getting too full of masochists who enjoyed being tortured, and]] ''[[LaughablyEvil nobody]]'' [[LaughablyEvil likes waiting in line]], he's at once hilarious, [[WickedCultured classy]], and simply [[MagnificentBastard magnificent.]]
** The Trickster/[[spoiler:Gabriel]]. His first appearance in "Tall Tales" is one extended CrowningMomentOfAwesome, but what takes the cake is his being the first monster to [[spoiler:outsmart the Winchesters]]. Even that is topped by his TheReasonYouSuckSpeech to [[DidYouJustFlipOffCthulhu Lucifer]], [[spoiler:[[DyingMomentOfAwesome even if it didn't end well.]]]] It helps that [[JerkassHasAPoint he usually has a valid point, even if his ways of going about proving it are quite extreme.]]
** [[spoiler:Deanmon]]. Even just his appearing at all is awesome.
** The Alpha Vampire, [[CreepyAwesome Eve's creepiest child.]] And he comes pretty close to wiping out the Campbell clan in his first appearance.
** Balthazar. Just look at his disintegration of ArchangelRaphael's vessel with Lot's salt. Also, the simple fact that it's believable, [[spoiler:albeit not true]], that he would actually travel back in time and change the course of history just because he hated ''Film/{{Titanic}}.''
** ArchangelMichael. His entrance in the series, burning [[spoiler:Anna]] to ashes with a touch and sending [[spoiler:Uriel]] away with a BadassFingersnap, solidifies him as awesome.
EvilIsCool: Has [[EvilIsCool/{{Supernatural}} its own page]].



* FanonDiscontinuity: Castiel's nickname is officially spelled "Cass." It was never adopted by fans even after becoming available knowledge in favor of the one-S version.
* FoeYay:
** Bela and Dean ([[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SsCwrxJ2_Y "When all this is over, we should really have angry sex"]])
** Sam to Bela (in a single [[EroticDream dream sequence]]).
** [[spoiler:Lucifer]] seems to want to have this with Sam. Sam's not biting.
** Castiel and Meg. Their interactions go way past just implying sexual tension, [[spoiler:even including a very hot kiss]]. They even [[spoiler:plan to have sex, though they never get around to it.]]
** Early on Sam and Meg. At one point she made sexual advances toward him while preparing to have him killed.
** Castiel and Crowley. Crowley specifically tells Castiel [[spoiler:during their deal: "You're the bottom in this relationship."]]
** And now Dean and Abaddon. Abaddon compliments Dean's "pretty green eyes" in "Clip Show" (when planning to [[EyeScream tear them out]], mind you) and admires the rest of his body in "Devil May Care", calling him the perfect vessel and talking about [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything forcing herself inside him]]. She even calls him "lover" at one point.
-->'''Dean:''' We going to fight or make out? 'Cause I'm getting some real mixed signals here.
** Demon deals are sealed with a kiss, and thus have this built in.
* FountainOfMemes:

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* FanonDiscontinuity: Castiel's nickname is officially spelled "Cass." "Cass". It was never adopted by fans even after becoming available knowledge in favor of the one-S version.
* FoeYay:
** Bela and Dean ([[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SsCwrxJ2_Y "When all this is over, we should really have angry sex"]])
** Sam to Bela (in a single [[EroticDream dream sequence]]).
** [[spoiler:Lucifer]] seems to want to have this with Sam. Sam's not biting.
** Castiel and Meg. Their interactions go way past just implying sexual tension, [[spoiler:even including a very hot kiss]]. They even [[spoiler:plan to have sex, though they never get around to it.]]
** Early on Sam and Meg. At one point she made sexual advances toward him while preparing to have him killed.
** Castiel and Crowley. Crowley specifically tells Castiel [[spoiler:during their deal: "You're the bottom in this relationship."]]
** And now Dean and Abaddon. Abaddon compliments Dean's "pretty green eyes" in "Clip Show" (when planning to [[EyeScream tear them out]], mind you) and admires the rest of his body in "Devil May Care", calling him the perfect vessel and talking about [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything forcing herself inside him]]. She even calls him "lover" at one point.
-->'''Dean:''' We going to fight or make out? 'Cause I'm getting some real mixed signals here.
** Demon deals are sealed with a kiss, and thus have this built in.
FoeYay: Has [[FoeYay/{{Supernatural}} its own page]].
* FountainOfMemes: FountainOfMemes:



** "Cas, are you God?" Harmless in the fifth season finale. Too bad it was {{Foreshadowing}} for the sixth.

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** "Cas, are you God?" Harmless in the fifth season finale. Too bad it was {{Foreshadowing}} {{foreshadowing}} for the sixth.



* GrowingTheBeard: While Season 1 was really quite good, "Devil's Trap" (or perhaps its first half--"Salvation") is widely believed to be the point when the show started to hit its stride.
** For specific eras, Jeremy Carver's turn as showrunner seems to have accomplished this around the time the "Men of Letters" subplot was introduced, after a spotty first half that left fans feeling that the SeasonalRot that had really set in during the previous year was just continuing on.

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* GrowingTheBeard: GrowingTheBeard:
**
While Season 1 was really quite good, "Devil's Trap" (or perhaps its first half--"Salvation") is widely believed to be the point when the show started to hit its stride.
** For specific eras, Jeremy Carver's turn as showrunner seems to have accomplished this around the time the "Men of Letters" subplot was introduced, introduced in Season 8, after a spotty first half that left fans feeling that the SeasonalRot that had really set in during the previous year was just continuing on.



** Bobby's outburst in "Lucifer Rising"--"[Family] is supposed to make you miserable, you idiot! That's why they're family!"--becomes pretty cringe-worthy when you find out what his childhood was like in "Death's Door".

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** Bobby's outburst in "Lucifer Rising"--"[Family] Rising" -- "[Family] is supposed to make you miserable, you idiot! That's why they're family!"--becomes family!" -- becomes pretty cringe-worthy when you find out what his childhood was like in "Death's Door".



* {{Narm}}:
** Lori's performance in "Hookman". Meg's acting in "Are You There, God? It's Me, Dean Winchester" may also count.
** Sam [[spoiler:dying in Ava's vision]] in "Hunted" probably would have been a lot better if not for his [[DullSurprise almost completely flat yell]] before the explosion.
** One Season 6 episode has it as a plot point that Rufus will never forgive Bobby for "what happened in Omaha". [[NoodleIncident Whatever that is]]. Rufus' anger and Bobby's guilt are PlayedForDrama, but it's hard to take seriously when we have no idea what Bobby feels guilty ''for''.
** In the Season 7 finale Dean creates a fake Leviathan-killing weapon to distract Dick Roman from the real one. Except, the way this is revealed is that the fake weapon doesn't work when it's stuck in Dick. That is, if that had been the real thing it would have succeeded, meaning there wasn't any need for a fake weapon in the first place!
** The Alpha Vampire's line "See you next season." It's exactly the wrong kind of meta, making no sense at all in-universe.
** Every single flashback to Sam's relationship with Amelia, thanks to having enough GaussianGirl filter to make ''Star Trek'' proud. Plus, at the exact same time that Dean is having PTSD flashbacks to his horrific time in Purgatory, Sam is having them... about a random, kinda dull romance he had, which are given the exact same dramatic weight.
** The zoom-in on Crowley's face as he announces that there's an Angel tablet, which looks straight out of the '60s Batman show. And it's preceded by Sam and Dean hurling themselves against the door in the most ineffectual manner possible as Cas simply mopes in the corner.
** Starting with her second appearance, the crew seems to think Charlie being a lesbian means she must at a minimum make bedroom eyes at every single woman who comes within twenty feet of her, if not actually make out with them.
** The sheer number of times in Season 8 that Sam and Dean make a reference to how Kevin has still made no progress. It just feels like the crew begging us to hang on until they can get Osric Chau back and actually have the storyline go somewhere.
** "Taxi Driver" makes a big deal about revealing a Crossroads Demon had been summoned into a Devil's Trap... when it had been clearly visible in just about every preceding shot.
** The triple zoom-in edits on Eldon's arm and [[spoiler:Charlie's dead body]] in "Dark Dynasty." Especially weird since Robert Singer's direction hardly ever has these kinds of over the top "Notice me!" bits.
** While the other half largely makes up for it, part of the cliffhanger to end Season 11 is that...Sam might have been shot. It's impossible to take seriously that the show might kill off one of the brothers at this point, and with the rules already changed so there's no more coming back for either of them, no one at all is thinking it might have actually happened.

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* {{Narm}}:
** Lori's performance in "Hookman". Meg's acting in "Are You There, God? It's Me, Dean Winchester" may also count.
** Sam [[spoiler:dying in Ava's vision]] in "Hunted" probably would have been a lot better if not for his [[DullSurprise almost completely flat yell]] before the explosion.
** One Season 6 episode has it as a plot point that Rufus will never forgive Bobby for "what happened in Omaha". [[NoodleIncident Whatever that is]]. Rufus' anger and Bobby's guilt are PlayedForDrama, but it's hard to take seriously when we have no idea what Bobby feels guilty ''for''.
** In the Season 7 finale Dean creates a fake Leviathan-killing weapon to distract Dick Roman from the real one. Except, the way this is revealed is that the fake weapon doesn't work when it's stuck in Dick. That is, if that had been the real thing it would have succeeded, meaning there wasn't any need for a fake weapon in the first place!
** The Alpha Vampire's line "See you next season." It's exactly the wrong kind of meta, making no sense at all in-universe.
** Every single flashback to Sam's relationship with Amelia, thanks to having enough GaussianGirl filter to make ''Star Trek'' proud. Plus, at the exact same time that Dean is having PTSD flashbacks to his horrific time in Purgatory, Sam is having them... about a random, kinda dull romance he had, which are given the exact same dramatic weight.
** The zoom-in on Crowley's face as he announces that there's an Angel tablet, which looks straight out of the '60s Batman show. And it's preceded by Sam and Dean hurling themselves against the door in the most ineffectual manner possible as Cas simply mopes in the corner.
** Starting with her second appearance, the crew seems to think Charlie being a lesbian means she must at a minimum make bedroom eyes at every single woman who comes within twenty feet of her, if not actually make out with them.
** The sheer number of times in Season 8 that Sam and Dean make a reference to how Kevin has still made no progress. It just feels like the crew begging us to hang on until they can get Osric Chau back and actually have the storyline go somewhere.
** "Taxi Driver" makes a big deal about revealing a Crossroads Demon had been summoned into a Devil's Trap... when it had been clearly visible in just about every preceding shot.
** The triple zoom-in edits on Eldon's arm and [[spoiler:Charlie's dead body]] in "Dark Dynasty." Especially weird since Robert Singer's direction hardly ever has these kinds of over the top "Notice me!" bits.
** While the other half largely makes up for it, part of the cliffhanger to end Season 11 is that...Sam might have been shot. It's impossible to take seriously that the show might kill off one of the brothers at this point, and with the rules already changed so there's no more coming back for either of them, no one at all is thinking it might have actually happened.
{{Narm}}: Has [[Narm/{{Supernatural}} its own page]].



* OnlyTheAuthorCanSaveThemNow: The show gets like this sometimes. The Winchesters have no magical abilities of their own and routinely go up against demons and monsters with telekinesis or other powers that render the boys' weapons (even the magical ones) useless. Yet something always allows the boys to pull out a win.
* OnlyTheCreatorDoesItRight: Many fans blamed the seasons 6 & 7 showrunner Sera Gamble for the show's less-than-stellar state after Eric Kripke, the creator and original showrunner, stepped down (though Kripke still had some input on the show). After season 7, Gamble also stepped down and was replaced by Jeremy Carver. Whether or not he's doing better than her is a bit of an issue amongst the fandom, but both are generally seen as inferior to Kripke.

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* OnlyTheAuthorCanSaveThemNow: The show gets like this sometimes. The Winchesters have no magical abilities of their own and routinely go up against demons and monsters with telekinesis or other powers that render the boys' weapons (even the magical ones) useless. Yet useless, and yet something always ''always'' allows the boys to pull out a win.
* OnlyTheCreatorDoesItRight: Many fans blamed the seasons 6 & 7 showrunner Sera Gamble for the show's less-than-stellar state after Eric Kripke, the creator and original showrunner, stepped down (though Kripke still had some input on the show). After season 7, Gamble also stepped down and was replaced by Jeremy Carver. Whether or not he's doing better than her is a bit of an issue amongst the fandom, but both are generally seen as being inferior to Kripke.



* SeasonalRot:
** Season 3: Mostly well-liked, though the audience was always {{Anvilicious}}ly reminded that Dean only had one year to live. It was also weakened by the Writer’s Strike, which cut it down from 22 episodes to 16, thus making the storylines of the last four episodes rushed and abandoning great ideas such as the return of Ellen Harvelle (which got pushed back to Season 5). The amount of rock music was greatly reduced and so were the special effects. As well, ExecutiveMeddling let to Ruby and [[CreatorsPet Bela]], two characters who have been controversial. There were some good ideas there, but over-focusing on the two over the brothers led to fan derision, and probably contributed to Bela being killed off.
** Seasons 4 & 5: With their considerable retooling of the MythArc, heavy use of Christian mythology, and larger cast, they were looked upon more favorably by newer fans, and generally less so by older ones. Genevieve Cortese, however, is oft-reviled in her portrayal of Ruby, and fans really missed Katie Cassidy (fans that weren’t nearly so loud when she was actually onscreen the previous season). Ultimately, the changes turned out in favor of the newer fans, as Season 4 boosted the show’s sagging ratings enough to ensure there would be a Season 5. In fact, because of the loss of the original show runners and also the high stakes of the Season 5 finale (which definitely felt like a series finale), as well as what is well-regarded as a downward spiral in the show quality ever since, many feel that Season 5 should have been the last season of the show.
** Season 6: The return to form approach pleased some older fans with its drastically pared-down cast and concentration on the Winchester brothers’ newest trust issues, but [[ItsTheSameNowItSucks turned off newer fans]]. The realization that [[spoiler:Sam had lost his soul]] and the brothers’ attempts to get it back [[WhatCouldHaveBeen was planned to be the main arc of the season]], but fan backlash prompted the writers to conclude it halfway through and introduce new story lines ([[spoiler:Castiel]] becoming a villain, for example, was only thought of at the last minute as a replacement). The results were still mixed, among them being Eve’s introduction as a new, somewhat derivative BigBad after more than half the season was already over, then promptly dying before the season finale to make way for Crowley and [[spoiler:Castiel.]]
** Season 7: While Season 6 had its flaws, and definitely suffered from the loss of the original show runners, this was where the show really started to show its age badly for some. For one thing, the Sam/Dean drama had became way overplayed by that point. [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot The abrupt dropping of the very-promising-sounding Cosmic New Order at the beginning of the season]] ([[spoiler:Castiel]] [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot was going to be the new God, while Crowley was already the king of Hell]]) was also disappointing. Just imagine the awesomeness of Sam and Dean being caught up in a cold war between [[spoiler:Castiel]] and Crowley while desperately trying to get [[spoiler:Cas]] to return to sanity. The fans were pumped and excited, and one wonders what the writers were thinking when they threw it out, as [[spoiler:Castiel]] and Crowley both vanished from the plot for some time. And who took their place? The Leviathans, who were a complete AssPull, and remained extremely vague in their abilities for several episodes. The writers themselves apparently couldn’t figure out what to do with them, so they had them disappear for long stretches of time while still trying to make them out to be this huge threat… except that their goals were completely undefined. Eventually, they had an episode where their leader becomes a [[StrawCharacter Strawman Political]] CorruptCorporateExecutive so they could do a TakeThat on conservatives and libertarians, which only served to offend some of the fanbase. Then the Leviathans disappeared again for an even longer stretch of episodes. They weren’t doing very much onscreen, but Sam and Dean’s dialogue constantly exhorted the audience to remember that VaguenessIsComing. The slow development of the Leviathan storyline resulted in a lot of filler episodes to boot. The fandom was also deprived of Bobby and the Impala for most of the season, resulting in further dissatisfaction. On the plus side, the Leviathans became more well-defined towards the end of the season. We also got the introduction of PluckyComicRelief character Garth, Castiel returned and developed further as a character, while [[spoiler:Bobby]] got an impressive ghost-arc which tied up his character quite nicely.
** Season 8: Once again, the previous season’s cliffhanger – this time [[spoiler:Dick Roman dragging Dean and Castiel to Purgatory with him]] – was resolved in the first episode of the season thanks to a TimeSkip because [[StatusQuoIsGod Sam and Dean can’t be apart, ever]]. [[spoiler:Dean and Castiel]]’s time in Purgatory was shown through flashbacks, and were arguably the best parts, but they were few and far between. Sam’s new love interest, Amelia, and perfect-life-while-Dean-was-gone subplots are near universally reviled. His IJustWantToBeNormal speeches, along with his hatred of [[spoiler:Dean's new vampire friend]] Benny, brought the {{Wangst}} to a new high. Crowley returned and appeared to be the BigBad, though much mileage has varied as to whether or not he was any good at it. Perhaps realizing their mistakes, the writers tried to ReTool the season around halfway through, much like what they did with Season 6. Amelia was [[ShooOutTheNewGuy written out]], the Men of Letters were introduced, and Sam was given a new story arc about him performing trials to close the Gates of Hell. Most Sam fans were happy, but Dean fans were frustrated about him repeatedly being pushed OutOfFocus as his [[spoiler:Benny and Purgatory]] plots were dropped. Regardless, the second half of the season was definitely more well-received than the first.
** Season 9: Both Sam and Dean took respective [[TookALevelInJerkass levels in Jerkass]], leaving Castiel as the only real sympathetic character on the show. Most of the show’s remaining supporting cast were either KilledOffForReal or PutOnABus. The MythArc bounced around without any clear direction for most of the year. Characters like Bartholomew and Malachi were introduced and set up as major players in the angel war, only to be dropped shortly afterward [[spoiler:(with Malachi infamously being ''killed offscreen'' after only a single appearance)]]. Actor Jensen Ackles admitted in an interview that the writers were just throwing out ideas and seeing which ones stuck. Eventually, they settled on the Mark of Cain story, one of the more popular things to come out of Season 9… and then proceeded to do almost nothing with it until the final three episodes of the season. Not helping matters was the fact that the whole season was undercut by several lengthy stretches of heavily-disliked fillers episodes, many of which such as "The Purge" and "Alex Annie Alexis Ann" have been called by fans to be some of the worst in the show's history. There was also "Bloodlines", an ill-received [[PoorlyDisguisedPilot back-door pilot]] for a spin-off that failed to come to fruition. Amongst it all, there’s the constant fighting between Sam and Dean, something which fans of both characters are getting sick of.
** Season 10: Once again, the show had a potentially amazing storyline set up at the end of last season -This time Dean being turned into a demon by the Mark of Cain. And once again, that potential was completely wasted as the story was thrown out the window three episodes into the season because StatusQuoIsGod (noticing a pattern here?). The writers themselves seem to have realized how badly they dropped the ball there, as they spend the rest of the season awkwardly teasing that it could happen again, but because they failed to establish Demon Dean as [[PokeThePoodle particularly dangerous]] or [[AntiClimax hard to deal with]], it feels like an empty threat. The attempts at expanding the cast with characters like Hannah, Rowena and Claire, most of whom are [[BaseBreakingCharacter Base Breaking Characters]] or [[TheScrappy worse]], are reviled by many fans who want the show to focus on the older characters they're already invested in, and the lack of a central villain to fight -or even any real objective for the heroes other than just trying to find something to do about the Mark of Cain and hoping Dean doesn't go on a killing spree in the meantime- has caused nearly the entire season to feel like {{filler}}. Not helping are the deaths of [[spoiler: Charlie Bradbury and ''Death itself'']] and the finale ending with a textbook case of VaguenessIsComing. But on the positive side, the writers seem to have finally grasped how sick everyone is of the Sam vs. Dean conflicts and started letting them get along again, and there's been a few hidden gems such as "The Executioner's Song", widely agreed to be one of the best episodes the series has had in years.
** Season 11: It initially showed an improvement on previous seasons. The writers finally managed to match the scale of Season 5 in terms of the threat. Yet while the characters may have been on a grand scale ([[spoiler:God and his sister]]), after waiting all season for the confrontation, the actual events were largely lacking in drama.

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* SeasonalRot:
** Season 3: Mostly well-liked, though the audience was always {{Anvilicious}}ly reminded that Dean only had one year to live. It was also weakened by the Writer’s Strike, which cut it down from 22 episodes to 16, thus making the storylines of the last four episodes rushed and abandoning great ideas such as the return of Ellen Harvelle (which got pushed back to Season 5). The amount of rock music was greatly reduced and so were the special effects. As well, ExecutiveMeddling let to Ruby and [[CreatorsPet Bela]], two characters who have been controversial. There were some good ideas there, but over-focusing on the two over the brothers led to fan derision, and probably contributed to Bela being killed off.
** Seasons 4 & 5: With their considerable retooling of the MythArc, heavy use of Christian mythology, and larger cast, they were looked upon more favorably by newer fans, and generally less so by older ones. Genevieve Cortese, however, is oft-reviled in her portrayal of Ruby, and fans really missed Katie Cassidy (fans that weren’t nearly so loud when she was actually onscreen the previous season). Ultimately, the changes turned out in favor of the newer fans, as Season 4 boosted the show’s sagging ratings enough to ensure there would be a Season 5. In fact, because of the loss of the original show runners and also the high stakes of the Season 5 finale (which definitely felt like a series finale), as well as what is well-regarded as a downward spiral in the show quality ever since, many feel that Season 5 should have been the last season of the show.
** Season 6: The return to form approach pleased some older fans with
SeasonalRot: Has [[SeasonalRot/{{Supernatural}} its drastically pared-down cast and concentration on the Winchester brothers’ newest trust issues, but [[ItsTheSameNowItSucks turned off newer fans]]. The realization that [[spoiler:Sam had lost his soul]] and the brothers’ attempts to get it back [[WhatCouldHaveBeen was planned to be the main arc of the season]], but fan backlash prompted the writers to conclude it halfway through and introduce new story lines ([[spoiler:Castiel]] becoming a villain, for example, was only thought of at the last minute as a replacement). The results were still mixed, among them being Eve’s introduction as a new, somewhat derivative BigBad after more than half the season was already over, then promptly dying before the season finale to make way for Crowley and [[spoiler:Castiel.]]
** Season 7: While Season 6 had its flaws, and definitely suffered from the loss of the original show runners, this was where the show really started to show its age badly for some. For one thing, the Sam/Dean drama had became way overplayed by that point. [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot The abrupt dropping of the very-promising-sounding Cosmic New Order at the beginning of the season]] ([[spoiler:Castiel]] [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot was going to be the new God, while Crowley was already the king of Hell]]) was also disappointing. Just imagine the awesomeness of Sam and Dean being caught up in a cold war between [[spoiler:Castiel]] and Crowley while desperately trying to get [[spoiler:Cas]] to return to sanity. The fans were pumped and excited, and one wonders what the writers were thinking when they threw it out, as [[spoiler:Castiel]] and Crowley both vanished from the plot for some time. And who took their place? The Leviathans, who were a complete AssPull, and remained extremely vague in their abilities for several episodes. The writers themselves apparently couldn’t figure out what to do with them, so they had them disappear for long stretches of time while still trying to make them out to be this huge threat… except that their goals were completely undefined. Eventually, they had an episode where their leader becomes a [[StrawCharacter Strawman Political]] CorruptCorporateExecutive so they could do a TakeThat on conservatives and libertarians, which only served to offend some of the fanbase. Then the Leviathans disappeared again for an even longer stretch of episodes. They weren’t doing very much onscreen, but Sam and Dean’s dialogue constantly exhorted the audience to remember that VaguenessIsComing. The slow development of the Leviathan storyline resulted in a lot of filler episodes to boot. The fandom was also deprived of Bobby and the Impala for most of the season, resulting in further dissatisfaction. On the plus side, the Leviathans became more well-defined towards the end of the season. We also got the introduction of PluckyComicRelief character Garth, Castiel returned and developed further as a character, while [[spoiler:Bobby]] got an impressive ghost-arc which tied up his character quite nicely.
** Season 8: Once again, the previous season’s cliffhanger – this time [[spoiler:Dick Roman dragging Dean and Castiel to Purgatory with him]] – was resolved in the first episode of the season thanks to a TimeSkip because [[StatusQuoIsGod Sam and Dean can’t be apart, ever]]. [[spoiler:Dean and Castiel]]’s time in Purgatory was shown through flashbacks, and were arguably the best parts, but they were few and far between. Sam’s new love interest, Amelia, and perfect-life-while-Dean-was-gone subplots are near universally reviled. His IJustWantToBeNormal speeches, along with his hatred of [[spoiler:Dean's new vampire friend]] Benny, brought the {{Wangst}} to a new high. Crowley returned and appeared to be the BigBad, though much mileage has varied as to whether or not he was any good at it. Perhaps realizing their mistakes, the writers tried to ReTool the season around halfway through, much like what they did with Season 6. Amelia was [[ShooOutTheNewGuy written out]], the Men of Letters were introduced, and Sam was given a new story arc about him performing trials to close the Gates of Hell. Most Sam fans were happy, but Dean fans were frustrated about him repeatedly being pushed OutOfFocus as his [[spoiler:Benny and Purgatory]] plots were dropped. Regardless, the second half of the season was definitely more well-received than the first.
** Season 9: Both Sam and Dean took respective [[TookALevelInJerkass levels in Jerkass]], leaving Castiel as the only real sympathetic character on the show. Most of the show’s remaining supporting cast were either KilledOffForReal or PutOnABus. The MythArc bounced around without any clear direction for most of the year. Characters like Bartholomew and Malachi were introduced and set up as major players in the angel war, only to be dropped shortly afterward [[spoiler:(with Malachi infamously being ''killed offscreen'' after only a single appearance)]]. Actor Jensen Ackles admitted in an interview that the writers were just throwing out ideas and seeing which ones stuck. Eventually, they settled on the Mark of Cain story, one of the more popular things to come out of Season 9… and then proceeded to do almost nothing with it until the final three episodes of the season. Not helping matters was the fact that the whole season was undercut by several lengthy stretches of heavily-disliked fillers episodes, many of which such as "The Purge" and "Alex Annie Alexis Ann" have been called by fans to be some of the worst in the show's history. There was also "Bloodlines", an ill-received [[PoorlyDisguisedPilot back-door pilot]] for a spin-off that failed to come to fruition. Amongst it all, there’s the constant fighting between Sam and Dean, something which fans of both characters are getting sick of.
** Season 10: Once again, the show had a potentially amazing storyline set up at the end of last season -This time Dean being turned into a demon by the Mark of Cain. And once again, that potential was completely wasted as the story was thrown out the window three episodes into the season because StatusQuoIsGod (noticing a pattern here?). The writers themselves seem to have realized how badly they dropped the ball there, as they spend the rest of the season awkwardly teasing that it could happen again, but because they failed to establish Demon Dean as [[PokeThePoodle particularly dangerous]] or [[AntiClimax hard to deal with]], it feels like an empty threat. The attempts at expanding the cast with characters like Hannah, Rowena and Claire, most of whom are [[BaseBreakingCharacter Base Breaking Characters]] or [[TheScrappy worse]], are reviled by many fans who want the show to focus on the older characters they're already invested in, and the lack of a central villain to fight -or even any real objective for the heroes other than just trying to find something to do about the Mark of Cain and hoping Dean doesn't go on a killing spree in the meantime- has caused nearly the entire season to feel like {{filler}}. Not helping are the deaths of [[spoiler: Charlie Bradbury and ''Death itself'']] and the finale ending with a textbook case of VaguenessIsComing. But on the positive side, the writers seem to have finally grasped how sick everyone is of the Sam vs. Dean conflicts and started letting them get along again, and there's been a few hidden gems such as "The Executioner's Song", widely agreed to be one of the best episodes the series has had in years.
** Season 11: It initially showed an improvement on previous seasons. The writers finally managed to match the scale of Season 5 in terms of the threat. Yet while the characters may have been on a grand scale ([[spoiler:God and his sister]]), after waiting all season for the confrontation, the actual events were largely lacking in drama.
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter:
** Initially Meg was this. Despite being sent back to Hell at the end of season one, many fans felt like her role ended much too early. She had a role in one episode of season two, but then she disappeared. It seems as though the writers felt the same way as she was brought back in season five.
** Missouri Moseley, the psychic from the first season. She was funny, had her head on straight, and had great chemistry with the boys that made her seem like a stern grandmother. Despite all that, and having known John well, she never appeared again. Sure, with this show's track record, she'd probably be dead by now, but it's still a shame that she only appeared in one episode. In fairness to them, they did intend to, it's just the actress was unavailable at the time.
** Cassie Robinson, also from the first season, had great potential to be a love interest for Dean, as she was one of the few women from his past that he was shown to truly love and he was the one who promised to return to her despite her insistence that it wasn't going to work. She never appeared again.
** Meg's "brother" Tom. He seemed just as powerful as her, but was much more cold and focused. He could've been an interesting contrast to Azazel and Meg's personalities. He played a large role in one episode, and briefly appeared in the following one where he was killed by Dean.
** Eve was an interesting and powerful new villain who was hyped up for most of Season 6 as the BigBad. She could disable angelic powers, so Cass being overpowered wouldn't be an issue. Her being the villain would make even non-mytharc MonsterOfTheWeek episodes exciting, as it provided a reason why the Winchesters were hunting small-time cases instead of focusing on the BigBad (they could be tracking down Eve's children to interrogate and such) and Eve could use her children to spy on them and also create new monsters the writers could come up with whole-cloth. Unfortunately, [[spoiler:she was killed before the season was even over.]]
*** There's also the fact that her motivations were actually sympathetic (she just wanted to protect her children) and had no real animosity towards mankind in general (though she is still somewhat sadistic as she did force even her more benevolent children to kill). This is never really explored at all.
** Season 8 had this problem in multiple instances, due to having too many characters lying around and therefore killing a lot of them off when they're no longer important or convenient to have around. Examples include:
*** Samandriel, one of the few angels who wasn't a total jerk, gets [[spoiler:killed by Castiel at Naomi's command after providing a bit of plot-relevant information.]] The "waste" comes in when you realize he would have been a great fit for the [[spoiler: fallen angels]] plot that arises at the very end of the season.
*** Meg, the only remaining recurring character from Season 1 except for the Ghostfacers, had interest in Castiel, wanted to stop Crowley, and was considering redemption. Makes her a perfect candidate for the "cure a demon" trial, right? [[spoiler:Except she's killed ingloriously by Crowley defending the Winchesters and Castiel before the trial in question is even introduced.]] (This is sadly a case of RealLifeWritesThePlot; actress Rachel Minor has developed health problems that make it prohibitively difficult for her to adhere to a shooting schedule. Then she herself requested the character be [[spoiler:killed off rather than moved to another host body]].)
*** Naomi, after being hyped all season as a villain who heads Heaven's Secret Service and had history with Crowley, does a brief HeelFaceTurn and is [[spoiler:promptly killed off]] as her role as Castiel's manipulator and the focus of the Heaven portions of the arc are both hijacked by [[spoiler:Metatron.]]
*** Benny. Badass FriendlyNeighborhoodVampire, Purgatory veteran, and ally to Dean at a time when he didn't have many. [[spoiler:But he was the center of a Sam/Dean conflict, so he had to go.]]
** Kevin. He's gone from an AsianAndNerdy stereotype to losing everything in the span of one year; his future, his mother, and his girlfriend, and becoming a tired KnightInSourArmour at a very young age, even outsmarting Crowley. In his last appearance, after [[WhatTheHellHero calling Dean out for ruining his life]], [[spoiler:a possessed Sam murders him]], because according to him "It's for the best". Granted he does then come back [[spoiler:as a ghost and gets some closure with brothers saving his mother, and thus ends with the two getting to spend just a bit more time together before he passes on.]]
** Ava Wilson has a great introduction as a completely normal person drawn into the story against her will, and is mysteriously kidnapped by the Yellow-Eyed Demon at the end, leaving all kinds of possibilities open. Then she returns, having gone through an offscreen FaceHeelTurn, and is [[spoiler:anticlimactically killed off.]]
** Agent Henrickson proves to be a quite worthy ally after learning the supernatural is real, and could have been a great recurring character as he tries to come to terms with it further while keeping up his job. [[spoiler:Instead, Lilith DroppedABridgeOnHim.]] Especially notable because the WordOfGod about why he was [[spoiler:killed off]] doesn't even make sense: after the writer's strike cut the season short, they didn't want Sam and Dean hunted by the FBI for another season... except Henrickson had already cleared that up [[spoiler:by the time he was killed.]]
** Ellen and Jo have fewer appearances than you'd think given their early prominence in season 2. Afterwards they missed two entire seasons and then returned [[spoiler:simply to be killed off in a SenselessSacrifice for a plan that never had a hope of working (and incidentally, getting rid of the only recurring heroic female characters at the time).]]
** Lenore, a VegetarianVampire in a constant struggle against her own nature, and played by the geek-adored Creator/AmberBenson. She appears in a grand total of two episodes, ''five years'' apart, and the second is only for a single scene where [[spoiler:she's killed off]]. Some of that lost potential was later realized with Benny, but his own appearance in this list shows that for many it wasn't enough.
** Malachi, another rogue angel who starts an EnemyCivilWar with Bartholomew that actually injects some life into the plotline. And then it's just as quickly abandoned when he's [[spoiler:killed offscreen]] after only appearing in a single episode.
** Anna from Seasons 4-5, a kind, pretty angel who helped Sam and Dean (even got into bed with Dean) and was meant to be their angel ally, until Castiel proved to be more popular. [[spoiler:She was taken to Heaven and tortured both physically and mentally until she was forced to believe that the only way to avert the apocalypse was to kill Sam and Dean before they were born. Unlike others who Sam and Dean have fought to bring back to their side they show absolutely no hesitation about trying to stop her or talk her out of it and even allow her to die painfully. Note that when Castiel became god in season 6/7 he did much worse and was forgiven very easily.]]
** Cuthbert Sinclair, a former Man of Letters and a [[EvilSorcerer "master of Spells"]] who did a FaceHeelTurn due his perceived belief they weren't using the information they collected to its full potential, and was ejected from the order for a number of offenses including misusing information and creating a curse so sadistically cruel and lethal, it led to two other members dying to trying to stop it. He found an immortality spell that lets him still be an active threat in the present day, and has acquired a variety of rare and strange mystical artifacts, and a "zoo" full of weird creatures and monsters. He's played off as little more than any other random villain of the week despite having the potential to be another Dick Roman.
** Cole Trenton, who could have provided a lot of insight into the collateral damage the Winchesters and other Hunters leave in their wake. Instead he's just a pretty cardboard villain for the first two episodes of Season 10, and then his resolution is jarringly crammed into the last few minutes of a completely unrelated episode, leaving many fans wondering what the point was. Dean even says he still has no idea what kind of monster Cole's father was, like the writers just refused to put any effort into the character's story at all.
** Ramiel. A demon picked by Lucifer himself and descended from Lilith? With ties to [[spoiler: Azazel, the Yellow-Eyed Demon]]? Collector of old and mysterious artifacts? Ties to Crowley and his rise to being king? Check to all of these! [[spoiler: He's killed off the same episode he's introduced. Because of course he is.]] [[spoiler: Though it may be TheyPlottedAPerfectlyGoodWaste, as Ramiel has introduced another Prince of Hell.]]
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot
** [[spoiler:Dean's transformation into Demon!Dean]] was a completely unforeseen plot twist, and every single second of him on-screen was exciting, tense and unpredictable. And in true Supernatural fashion, in three episodes he's cured and back to his old angsty self. Rather than have him remain a Demon and struggle with the inner humanity he still has, we get a quick and easy fix and move onto the next plot-strand. It gets even worse when looking back to Season 6, when there were demons who essentially ''were'' acting as hunters, and they were shown to be tremendously good at it. Being stronger, faster, and tougher than his human self (not to mention the new demon-telekinesis and such) would be a gas for someone like [[spoiler:Dean]], but he'd also be saddled with the same weaknesses he and [[spoiler:Sam]] had been exploiting against demons for years on top of the natural tension that being a demon would create in any angelic interactions.
*** Several fans suspect that it was intended to last longer, but then they decided they should do something completely light and fun for the 200th episode just five episodes into the season, forcing the [[spoiler:Deanmon]] story to be wrapped up by then.
** Sam's problems with Dean after learning he [[spoiler:killed Amy]] literally lasted less than one episode. And to many fans, Dean decisively winning the argument was not the way it should have gone at all. Granted there are also plenty of fans who are glad it ended so quickly (with drawn out emotional bickering storylines of the next two seasons being unpopular), and who felt that Dean was perfectly justified in his decision (as although sympathetic [[spoiler:Amy had murdered several people]]) and that Sam was unfairly playing favorites just cause they met briefly several years earlier. So more of Base Breaking.
** It seems that between Seasons 6 and 7, the crew realized they couldn't possibly do a war between Heaven and Hell on their budget, so that story is hastily wrapped up before it even gets going in favor of the Leviathans.
** The Leviathans themselves. Initially introduced as God's first attempt at creating life, they were supposed to be some of the strongest and scariest beings in existence. In-universe, they were even the inspiration for Creator/HPLovecraft's work, and God himself had to lock them away in Purgatory because he was afraid they'd destroy everything else if left untouched. Sounds like a great start to a CosmicHorrorStory, right? Instead, we got glorified shapeshifters who were regularly trounced by other creatures despite [[InformedAbility supposedly]] being far stronger, who had to rely on ordinary things like technology and politics to achieve their goals despite being the main villains on a show called ''Supernatural'', and whose big plan was to make humans fat and stupid in one of the most painful [[AuthorFilibuster Author Filibusters]] ever written.
** The reveal that [[spoiler:closing the gates of Heaven]] in Season 9, also means that now none of the dead can [[spoiler:go to Heaven]], and are [[spoiler:trapped in the Veil destined to become ghosts]], is certainly an interesting story idea with a lot of far reaching consequences and provided some much needed emphasis as to why [[spoiler:Heaven's gates had to be reopened]]. With the added concern that its only a matter of time before all these spirits turn hostile, and its now impossible to stop them. The subject gets attention for one episode and then writers seem to forget it ever happened with none of the consequences explored or even a single line that it had been resolved.
** At the end of Season 7 the Alpha Vampire literally says to Sam and Dean "See you next season." We're still waiting for a payoff on that. [[spoiler: It finally paid off... five seasons later... [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter and he's dead now...]]]]
** The fans came up with several theories about what Sam's flashbacks in Season 8 could be leading to, perhaps the most popular being that Amelia didn't actually exist and he had a psychotic break in the despair of losing everyone he cared about. But no, [[TheUntwist there was no twist at all]] and it ended up being just as dull and pointless as it always appeared.
** In relation to the above, Amelia's husband Don reappearing when he was supposed to be dead hinted that this subplot had a point after all. So is Don a ghost, a demon, was he brought back from the dead, or is he something else entirely? The army wouldn't pronounce someone dead for no apparent reason after all, right? Well apparently they do, because no one questions his sudden reappearance, and he just serves as a reason for Sam to leave Amelia for good.
** Uriel's group of angels who secretly [[spoiler:support Lucifer and hope to release him from Hell]]. The idea that some angels would've [[spoiler:supported Lucifer over Michael]] would've been an interesting plot point in Season 5.
** Some people felt like the psychic children plot was a lot more interesting when they were meant to be leaders in the demon army rather than having only one of them meant to survive. Some fans also have mixed feelings about the winner being meant to be [[spoiler:Lucifer's vessel]], especially when it's revealed that only Sam could contain his powers. Apparently their role was originally going to be different and was supposed to last to the end of the third season at least.
*** Didn't Azazel mention other generations of psychic children? We briefly met one towards the end of Season 1, but what exactly was the point of them? We never find out.
** After the failure of "Bloodlines," a lot of fans noted that if the crew wanted to do a spinoff, they already had a ready-made setup with the group from "Freaks and Geeks," rather than creating a whole new one that no one liked.
*** Prior to the character's fate, that spawned UnfortunateImplications, Charlie had became one of the most popular characters in the franchise and could have carried her own show if given the chance. Sadly we know what came of that character.
** After the unpopularity of the Possessed [[spoiler:Sam]] arc from Season 9, many fans said it would have been better if he really did die, followed by him going to Heaven and forming a resistance movement against [[spoiler:Metatron]], possibly allowing for the return of some of the many popular characters to have been killed off.
** The Darkness got a quite epic introduction at the end of Season 10, so that even with the AssPull of its existence, fans were excited to see what would happen with it. [[spoiler:Then it turns out to be a generic Pretty White Lady with incomprehensible motivations and an extremely vaguely defined set of powers that don't even take one episode to start contradicting themselves.]] The lack of follow-up regarding [[spoiler:Dean killing Death]] is another big sticking point.
** It's a bit disappointing that Rowena never met Gavin or even learned about his existence [[spoiler:as she's his grandmother]] [[spoiler: Then she finally does, and he's offed in a morally questionable way by the Winchesters]].
*** It's the common problem of the series. It introduced a concept that could have been interesting then it gets disregarded by the next episode.
** Running with this, Nazis. Supernatural Nazis. ThoseWackyNazis get about four episodes across the ''entire series,'' and never really get more mention. Sure, those are awesome episodes, but there is much more to be done. For a big example, the fact they have beef with the Men of Letters holds the potential for the Winchesters to be caught up in a SecretWar between the two factions, with all sorts of supernatural battles and morally questionable things to go down.

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter:
** Initially Meg was this. Despite being sent back to Hell at the end of season one, many fans felt like her role ended much too early. She had a role in one episode of season two, but then she disappeared. It seems as though the writers felt the same way as she was brought back in season five.
** Missouri Moseley, the psychic from the first season. She was funny, had her head on straight, and had great chemistry with the boys that made her seem like a stern grandmother. Despite all that, and having known John well, she never appeared again. Sure, with this show's track record, she'd probably be dead by now, but it's still a shame that she only appeared in one episode. In fairness to them, they did intend to, it's just the actress was unavailable at the time.
** Cassie Robinson, also from the first season, had great potential to be a love interest for Dean, as she was one of the few women from his past that he was shown to truly love and he was the one who promised to return to her despite her insistence that it wasn't going to work. She never appeared again.
** Meg's "brother" Tom. He seemed just as powerful as her, but was much more cold and focused. He could've been an interesting contrast to Azazel and Meg's personalities. He played a large role in one episode, and briefly appeared in the following one where he was killed by Dean.
** Eve was an interesting and powerful new villain who was hyped up for most of Season 6 as the BigBad. She could disable angelic powers, so Cass being overpowered wouldn't be an issue. Her being the villain would make even non-mytharc MonsterOfTheWeek episodes exciting, as it provided a reason why the Winchesters were hunting small-time cases instead of focusing on the BigBad (they could be tracking down Eve's children to interrogate and such) and Eve could use her children to spy on them and also create new monsters the writers could come up with whole-cloth. Unfortunately, [[spoiler:she was killed before the season was even over.]]
*** There's also the fact that her motivations were actually sympathetic (she just wanted to protect her children) and had no real animosity towards mankind in general (though she is still somewhat sadistic as she did force even her more benevolent children to kill). This is never really explored at all.
** Season 8 had this problem in multiple instances, due to having too many characters lying around and therefore killing a lot of them off when they're no longer important or convenient to have around. Examples include:
*** Samandriel, one of the few angels who wasn't a total jerk, gets [[spoiler:killed by Castiel at Naomi's command after providing a bit of plot-relevant information.]] The "waste" comes in when you realize he would have been a great fit for the [[spoiler: fallen angels]] plot that arises at the very end of the season.
*** Meg, the only remaining recurring character from Season 1 except for the Ghostfacers, had interest in Castiel, wanted to stop Crowley, and was considering redemption. Makes her a perfect candidate for the "cure a demon" trial, right? [[spoiler:Except she's killed ingloriously by Crowley defending the Winchesters and Castiel before the trial in question is even introduced.]] (This is sadly a case of RealLifeWritesThePlot; actress Rachel Minor has developed health problems that make it prohibitively difficult for her to adhere to a shooting schedule. Then she herself requested the character be [[spoiler:killed off rather than moved to another host body]].)
*** Naomi, after being hyped all season as a villain who heads Heaven's Secret Service and had history with Crowley, does a brief HeelFaceTurn and is [[spoiler:promptly killed off]] as her role as Castiel's manipulator and the focus of the Heaven portions of the arc are both hijacked by [[spoiler:Metatron.]]
*** Benny. Badass FriendlyNeighborhoodVampire, Purgatory veteran, and ally to Dean at a time when he didn't have many. [[spoiler:But he was the center of a Sam/Dean conflict, so he had to go.]]
** Kevin. He's gone from an AsianAndNerdy stereotype to losing everything in the span of one year; his future, his mother, and his girlfriend, and becoming a tired KnightInSourArmour at a very young age, even outsmarting Crowley. In his last appearance, after [[WhatTheHellHero calling Dean out for ruining his life]], [[spoiler:a possessed Sam murders him]], because according to him "It's for the best". Granted he does then come back [[spoiler:as a ghost and gets some closure with brothers saving his mother, and thus ends with the two getting to spend just a bit more time together before he passes on.]]
** Ava Wilson has a great introduction as a completely normal person drawn into the story against her will, and is mysteriously kidnapped by the Yellow-Eyed Demon at the end, leaving all kinds of possibilities open. Then she returns, having gone through an offscreen FaceHeelTurn, and is [[spoiler:anticlimactically killed off.]]
** Agent Henrickson proves to be a quite worthy ally after learning the supernatural is real, and could have been a great recurring character as he tries to come to terms with it further while keeping up his job. [[spoiler:Instead, Lilith DroppedABridgeOnHim.]] Especially notable because the WordOfGod about why he was [[spoiler:killed off]] doesn't even make sense: after the writer's strike cut the season short, they didn't want Sam and Dean hunted by the FBI for another season... except Henrickson had already cleared that up [[spoiler:by the time he was killed.]]
** Ellen and Jo have fewer appearances than you'd think given their early prominence in season 2. Afterwards they missed two entire seasons and then returned [[spoiler:simply to be killed off in a SenselessSacrifice for a plan that never had a hope of working (and incidentally, getting rid of the only recurring heroic female characters at the time).]]
** Lenore, a VegetarianVampire in a constant struggle against her
TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: Has [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter/{{Supernatural}} its own nature, and played by the geek-adored Creator/AmberBenson. She appears in a grand total of two episodes, ''five years'' apart, and the second is only for a single scene where [[spoiler:she's killed off]]. Some of that lost potential was later realized with Benny, but his page]].
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Has [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot/{{Supernatural}} its
own appearance in this list shows that for many it wasn't enough.
** Malachi, another rogue angel who starts an EnemyCivilWar with Bartholomew that actually injects some life into the plotline. And then it's just as quickly abandoned when he's [[spoiler:killed offscreen]] after only appearing in a single episode.
** Anna from Seasons 4-5, a kind, pretty angel who helped Sam and Dean (even got into bed with Dean) and was meant to be their angel ally, until Castiel proved to be more popular. [[spoiler:She was taken to Heaven and tortured both physically and mentally until she was forced to believe that the only way to avert the apocalypse was to kill Sam and Dean before they were born. Unlike others who Sam and Dean have fought to bring back to their side they show absolutely no hesitation about trying to stop her or talk her out of it and even allow her to die painfully. Note that when Castiel became god in season 6/7 he did much worse and was forgiven very easily.]]
** Cuthbert Sinclair, a former Man of Letters and a [[EvilSorcerer "master of Spells"]] who did a FaceHeelTurn due his perceived belief they weren't using the information they collected to its full potential, and was ejected from the order for a number of offenses including misusing information and creating a curse so sadistically cruel and lethal, it led to two other members dying to trying to stop it. He found an immortality spell that lets him still be an active threat in the present day, and has acquired a variety of rare and strange mystical artifacts, and a "zoo" full of weird creatures and monsters. He's played off as little more than any other random villain of the week despite having the potential to be another Dick Roman.
** Cole Trenton, who could have provided a lot of insight into the collateral damage the Winchesters and other Hunters leave in their wake. Instead he's just a pretty cardboard villain for the first two episodes of Season 10, and then his resolution is jarringly crammed into the last few minutes of a completely unrelated episode, leaving many fans wondering what the point was. Dean even says he still has no idea what kind of monster Cole's father was, like the writers just refused to put any effort into the character's story at all.
** Ramiel. A demon picked by Lucifer himself and descended from Lilith? With ties to [[spoiler: Azazel, the Yellow-Eyed Demon]]? Collector of old and mysterious artifacts? Ties to Crowley and his rise to being king? Check to all of these! [[spoiler: He's killed off the same episode he's introduced. Because of course he is.]] [[spoiler: Though it may be TheyPlottedAPerfectlyGoodWaste, as Ramiel has introduced another Prince of Hell.]]
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot
** [[spoiler:Dean's transformation into Demon!Dean]] was a completely unforeseen plot twist, and every single second of him on-screen was exciting, tense and unpredictable. And in true Supernatural fashion, in three episodes he's cured and back to his old angsty self. Rather than have him remain a Demon and struggle with the inner humanity he still has, we get a quick and easy fix and move onto the next plot-strand. It gets even worse when looking back to Season 6, when there were demons who essentially ''were'' acting as hunters, and they were shown to be tremendously good at it. Being stronger, faster, and tougher than his human self (not to mention the new demon-telekinesis and such) would be a gas for someone like [[spoiler:Dean]], but he'd also be saddled with the same weaknesses he and [[spoiler:Sam]] had been exploiting against demons for years on top of the natural tension that being a demon would create in any angelic interactions.
*** Several fans suspect that it was intended to last longer, but then they decided they should do something completely light and fun for the 200th episode just five episodes into the season, forcing the [[spoiler:Deanmon]] story to be wrapped up by then.
** Sam's problems with Dean after learning he [[spoiler:killed Amy]] literally lasted less than one episode. And to many fans, Dean decisively winning the argument was not the way it should have gone at all. Granted there are also plenty of fans who are glad it ended so quickly (with drawn out emotional bickering storylines of the next two seasons being unpopular), and who felt that Dean was perfectly justified in his decision (as although sympathetic [[spoiler:Amy had murdered several people]]) and that Sam was unfairly playing favorites just cause they met briefly several years earlier. So more of Base Breaking.
** It seems that between Seasons 6 and 7, the crew realized they couldn't possibly do a war between Heaven and Hell on their budget, so that story is hastily wrapped up before it even gets going in favor of the Leviathans.
** The Leviathans themselves. Initially introduced as God's first attempt at creating life, they were supposed to be some of the strongest and scariest beings in existence. In-universe, they were even the inspiration for Creator/HPLovecraft's work, and God himself had to lock them away in Purgatory because he was afraid they'd destroy everything else if left untouched. Sounds like a great start to a CosmicHorrorStory, right? Instead, we got glorified shapeshifters who were regularly trounced by other creatures despite [[InformedAbility supposedly]] being far stronger, who had to rely on ordinary things like technology and politics to achieve their goals despite being the main villains on a show called ''Supernatural'', and whose big plan was to make humans fat and stupid in one of the most painful [[AuthorFilibuster Author Filibusters]] ever written.
** The reveal that [[spoiler:closing the gates of Heaven]] in Season 9, also means that now none of the dead can [[spoiler:go to Heaven]], and are [[spoiler:trapped in the Veil destined to become ghosts]], is certainly an interesting story idea with a lot of far reaching consequences and provided some much needed emphasis as to why [[spoiler:Heaven's gates had to be reopened]]. With the added concern that its only a matter of time before all these spirits turn hostile, and its now impossible to stop them. The subject gets attention for one episode and then writers seem to forget it ever happened with none of the consequences explored or even a single line that it had been resolved.
** At the end of Season 7 the Alpha Vampire literally says to Sam and Dean "See you next season." We're still waiting for a payoff on that. [[spoiler: It finally paid off... five seasons later... [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter and he's dead now...]]]]
** The fans came up with several theories about what Sam's flashbacks in Season 8 could be leading to, perhaps the most popular being that Amelia didn't actually exist and he had a psychotic break in the despair of losing everyone he cared about. But no, [[TheUntwist there was no twist at all]] and it ended up being just as dull and pointless as it always appeared.
** In relation to the above, Amelia's husband Don reappearing when he was supposed to be dead hinted that this subplot had a point after all. So is Don a ghost, a demon, was he brought back from the dead, or is he something else entirely? The army wouldn't pronounce someone dead for no apparent reason after all, right? Well apparently they do, because no one questions his sudden reappearance, and he just serves as a reason for Sam to leave Amelia for good.
** Uriel's group of angels who secretly [[spoiler:support Lucifer and hope to release him from Hell]]. The idea that some angels would've [[spoiler:supported Lucifer over Michael]] would've been an interesting plot point in Season 5.
** Some people felt like the psychic children plot was a lot more interesting when they were meant to be leaders in the demon army rather than having only one of them meant to survive. Some fans also have mixed feelings about the winner being meant to be [[spoiler:Lucifer's vessel]], especially when it's revealed that only Sam could contain his powers. Apparently their role was originally going to be different and was supposed to last to the end of the third season at least.
*** Didn't Azazel mention other generations of psychic children? We briefly met one towards the end of Season 1, but what exactly was the point of them? We never find out.
** After the failure of "Bloodlines," a lot of fans noted that if the crew wanted to do a spinoff, they already had a ready-made setup with the group from "Freaks and Geeks," rather than creating a whole new one that no one liked.
*** Prior to the character's fate, that spawned UnfortunateImplications, Charlie had became one of the most popular characters in the franchise and could have carried her own show if given the chance. Sadly we know what came of that character.
** After the unpopularity of the Possessed [[spoiler:Sam]] arc from Season 9, many fans said it would have been better if he really did die, followed by him going to Heaven and forming a resistance movement against [[spoiler:Metatron]], possibly allowing for the return of some of the many popular characters to have been killed off.
** The Darkness got a quite epic introduction at the end of Season 10, so that even with the AssPull of its existence, fans were excited to see what would happen with it. [[spoiler:Then it turns out to be a generic Pretty White Lady with incomprehensible motivations and an extremely vaguely defined set of powers that don't even take one episode to start contradicting themselves.]] The lack of follow-up regarding [[spoiler:Dean killing Death]] is another big sticking point.
** It's a bit disappointing that Rowena never met Gavin or even learned about his existence [[spoiler:as she's his grandmother]] [[spoiler: Then she finally does, and he's offed in a morally questionable way by the Winchesters]].
*** It's the common problem of the series. It introduced a concept that could have been interesting then it gets disregarded by the next episode.
** Running with this, Nazis. Supernatural Nazis. ThoseWackyNazis get about four episodes across the ''entire series,'' and never really get more mention. Sure, those are awesome episodes, but there is much more to be done. For a big example, the fact they have beef with the Men of Letters holds the potential for the Winchesters to be caught up in a SecretWar between the two factions, with all sorts of supernatural battles and morally questionable things to go down.
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* YokoOhNo: Any woman that Jared or Jensen dates/marries is going to get this ''hard'' from the FanDumb, mostly from the [[RealPersonShipping RPS]] crowd. For example: when Jensen's girlfriend tagged along with him to a convention, one of the fangirls "jokingly" [[http://www.journalfen.net/community/fandom_wank/1202644.html asked security to kick her out]]. And let's not even go into the garment-rending that ensued when [[http://www.journalfen.net/community/fandom_wank/1282606.html Jared's wife got pregnant]].

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* YokoOhNo: Any woman that Jared or Jensen dates/marries is going to get this ''hard'' from the FanDumb, mostly from the [[RealPersonShipping RPS]] crowd. For example: when Jensen's girlfriend tagged along with him to go to a convention, one of the fangirls "jokingly" [[http://www.journalfen.net/community/fandom_wank/1202644.html asked security to kick her out]]. And let's not even go into the garment-rending that ensued when [[http://www.journalfen.net/community/fandom_wank/1282606.html Jared's wife got pregnant]].
18th Mar '17 3:18:50 PM nighttrainfm
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** "The French Mistake" gets a lot of mileage about how the show is on season ''six'', and how long Jared and Jensen have been playing their characters. This is either funnier or harsher in hindsight given the show's now run for ''twice'' that long.
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** Fans reaction to Abaddon since her promotion to part of the BigBadEnsemble of season nine has been quite positive..

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** Fans reaction to Abaddon since her promotion to part of the BigBadEnsemble of season nine has been quite positive..positive.
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** Castiel and any angel storyline in general. Angel-centric episodes generally pull lower viewership ratings, and as Castiel and angelic powers [[spoiler:[[BadassDecay continue to decrease]]]] as the series progresses, there have been repeated debates over his and other angels' continued presence and purpose in the show. [[spoiler:WordOfGod is that episodes that heavily feature Misha gives Jared and Jensen an opportunity to spend time with their families, which helps to justify Castiel's continued role in the series.]]

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** Castiel and any angel storyline in general. Angel-centric episodes generally pull lower viewership ratings, and as Castiel Castiel's and angelic powers [[spoiler:[[BadassDecay continue to decrease]]]] as the series progresses, there have been repeated debates over his and other angels' continued presence and purpose in the show. [[spoiler:WordOfGod is that episodes that heavily feature Misha gives Jared and Jensen an opportunity to spend time with their families, which helps to justify Castiel's continued role in the series.]]
4th Mar '17 4:09:31 AM aftershocked
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** Castiel and any angel storyline in general. Angel-centric episodes generally pull lower viewership ratings, and as Castiel and angelic powers [[spoiler:[[BadassDecay continue to decrease]]]] as the series progresses, there have been repeated debates over his and other angels' continued presence and purpose in the show. [[spoiler:WordOfGod is that episodes that heavily feature Misha gives Jared and Jensen an opportunity to spend time with their families, which helps to justify Castiel's continued role in the series.]]
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** John Winchester: Bastard!Daddy or Daddy Of The Year? There seems to be a growing consensus among fans (at least on tumblr) that he was an awful human being who abused and neglected his children and pretty much ruined their lives. However, other fans remain adamant that John was, if not the best father, a three-dimensional character and a flawed human being who still loved Sam and Dean and really did do his best by them. Even the cast and crew seem divided, with Creator/JensenAckles [[spoiler:wanting him back on the show]] and Creator/JaredPadalecki thinking he was a bad parent. Funny, considering their characters' views on the subject. Jeffrey Dean Morgan himself was frustrated by his character's behavior, but ultimately defended him against criticism and said that John did love his kids.

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** John Winchester: Bastard!Daddy [[AbusiveParents Bastard!Daddy]] or Daddy Of The Year? There seems to be a growing consensus among fans (at least on tumblr) that he was an awful human being who abused and neglected his children and pretty much ruined their lives. However, other fans remain adamant that John was, if not the best father, a three-dimensional character and a flawed human being who still loved Sam and Dean and really did do his best by them. Even the cast and crew seem divided, with Creator/JensenAckles [[spoiler:wanting him back on the show]] and Creator/JaredPadalecki thinking he was a bad parent. Funny, considering their characters' views on the subject. Jeffrey Dean Morgan himself was frustrated by his character's behavior, but ultimately defended him against criticism and said that John did love his kids.
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