History YMMV / Supernatural

7th Feb '16 6:50:52 AM SunriseWarrior
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** Some people felt like the psychic children plot was a lot more interesting when they were meant to be leaders in the demon army rather than having only one of them meant to survive. Some fans also have mixed feelings about the winner being meant to be [[spoiler:Lucifer's vessel]], especially when it's revealed that only Sam could contain his powers. Apparently their role was originally supposed to be different and was supposed to last to the end of the third season at least.
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** Some people felt like the psychic children plot was a lot more interesting when they were meant to be leaders in the demon army rather than having only one of them meant to survive. Some fans also have mixed feelings about the winner being meant to be [[spoiler:Lucifer's vessel]], especially when it's revealed that only Sam could contain his powers. Apparently their role was originally supposed going to be different and was supposed to last to the end of the third season at least.
24th Jan '16 4:47:55 PM Pren
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** In "The Devil in the Details," Lucifer takes some big shots at Sam's actions ever since Season 5 that the fans and even Jared Padalecki himself have criticized.
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** In "The Devil in the Details," Lucifer takes some big shots at Sam's actions ever since Season 5 that the fans and even Jared Padalecki himself have criticized. Followed by Sam showing how much he's learned his lesson by refusing to let Lucifer possess him again, saying that his or Dean's deaths would be worth it to save the world.
24th Jan '16 3:26:00 PM Pren
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24th Jan '16 3:25:43 PM Pren
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** In "The Devil in the Details," Lucifer takes some big shots at Sam's actions ever since Season 5 that the fans and even Jared Padalecki himself have criticized.
23rd Jan '16 3:11:37 PM ading
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** [[spoiler:The Darkness]] is getting a lot of this, with a worrying amount of fans claiming that her attempt to ''destroy Creation'' by arguing that either she's really just misguided and not evil, or even more disturbingly, or that [[MightMakesRight beings as powerful as her have the]] ''[[MightMakesRight right]]'' [[MightMakesRight to do whatever they want, no matter how many people die in the process.]]

** The Darkness got a quite epic introduction at the end of Season 10, so that even with the AssPull of its existence, fans were excited to see what would happen with it. Then it turns out to be a generic Pretty White Lady with incomprehensible motivations and an extremely vaguely defined set of powers that don't even take one episode to start contradicting themselves. The lack of follow-up regarding Dean killing Death is another big sticking point. * TooCoolToLive: [[spoiler: Gordon Walker, Azazel, Ash, Henriksen, Pamela, Anna, Ellen, Gabriel, Lucifer, Bobby, Benny, Kevin, and Charlie]].
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** The Darkness got a quite epic introduction at the end of Season 10, so that even with the AssPull of its existence, fans were excited to see what would happen with it. Then [[spoiler:Then it turns out to be a generic Pretty White Lady with incomprehensible motivations and an extremely vaguely defined set of powers that don't even take one episode to start contradicting themselves. themselves.]] The lack of follow-up regarding Dean [[spoiler:Dean killing Death Death]] is another big sticking point. * TooCoolToLive: [[spoiler: Gordon [[spoiler:Gordon Walker, Azazel, Ash, Henriksen, Pamela, Anna, Ellen, Gabriel, Lucifer, Bobby, Benny, Kevin, Charlie, and Charlie]].Death]].
22nd Jan '16 8:17:01 AM Pren
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** Some fans are starting to argue that, as much as they love Mark Sheppard, Crowley's story has seriously worn out its welcome, with the writers visibly struggling with how to give him anything new to do for the past couple seasons, and several episodes (including the whole time he spent in the bunker in Season 9) where Sam and Dean forego a perfect opportunity to kill him for literally no reason at all.
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** Some fans are starting to argue that, as much as they love Mark Sheppard, Crowley's story has seriously worn out its welcome, with the writers visibly struggling with how to give him anything new to do for the past couple seasons, since Season 8, and several episodes (including the whole time he spent in the bunker in Season 9) where Sam and Dean forego a perfect opportunity to kill him for literally no reason at all.
22nd Jan '16 8:15:34 AM Pren
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* AssPull: Season 10 was clearly designed to be the end of the show for most of its length, until it was renewed towards the end. The result is that in the finale [[spoiler:the nature of the Mark of Cain is abruptly revealed to be completely different than we were always told, and we get a complete repeat of Season 8 where Dean decides to hell with the rest of the world if he can be with his brother a bit longer.]]
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* AssPull: AssPull: ** Season 10 was clearly designed to be the end of the show for most of its length, until it was renewed towards the end. The result is that in the finale [[spoiler:the nature of the Mark of Cain is abruptly revealed to be completely different than we were always told, and we get a complete repeat of Season 8 where Dean decides to hell with the rest of the world if he can be with his brother a bit longer.]]]] ** In Season 11 Lucifer can suddenly possess angels, which makes most of the drama from Season 5 completely pointless.
21st Jan '16 4:19:36 AM ading
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* DesignatedVillain: The Phoenix from "Frontierland," who was perfectly justified in killing the people he did and doesn't want to hurt anyone else. But Dean says he's a monster, and they need his ashes to kill Eve, so he's played as one anyway.
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* DesignatedVillain: DesignatedVillain: ** The Phoenix from "Frontierland," who was perfectly justified in killing the people he did and doesn't want to hurt anyone else. But Dean says he's a monster, and they need his ashes to kill Eve, so he's played as one anyway.anyway. ** Balthazar in "My Heart Will Go On" is portrayed as being the villain because he changed the past by [[spoiler:un-sinking the Titanic]], even though it seems to have had exclusively positive consequences. The only downside was the deaths of people who wouldn't have been alive at all otherwise.

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* DesignatedVillain: EvilIsCool: ** Meg. Her gleeful slaughter of John's friends in "Salvation" is at the same time utterly horrifying and totally awesome. Not to mention beating a pack of hellhounds in a fight ''by herself'', something no other character on the show has ever done. The Phoenix fact that [[EvenEvilHasLovedOnes she still had some good in her]] makes her even cooler. ** Azazel is the epitome of this trope. Every second that he's on the screen is pure NightmareFuel, and it's ''awesome''. He even managed to pull all the strings to complete his master plan [[spoiler:after his death.]] ** '''Lucifer'''. One of the five things in existence that can survive an attack from "Frontierland," who the Colt, can rip apart ''gods'' with as much effort as it takes to swat a fly. [[spoiler:Even while trapped in the Cage, a ''hallucination'' of him was perfectly justified in killing enough to nearly kill Sam.]] ** Dick Roman. Just watch when his face is nearly burned off, and he just keeps talking like it was a paper cut. Not to mention that he directly or indirectly killed [[spoiler:''[[HeroKiller three]]'' [[HeroKiller of the people he did and doesn't want to hurt anyone else. But four main characters]]]], though [[spoiler: Dean says he's a monster, and they need his ashes Castiel]] didn't stay dead. ** Crowley is this in spades. He's undergone some major BadassDecay recently, but for a time he was widely considered the only reason to kill Eve, so he's watch the show. From [[spoiler:the way he played as the Winchesters and the Campbells like a fiddle throughout Season 6]] to [[LaughablyEvil turning Hell into an eternal DMV line because Hell was getting too full of masochists who enjoyed being tortured, and]] ''[[LaughablyEvil nobody]]'' [[LaughablyEvil likes waiting in line]], he's at once hilarious, [[WickedCultured classy]], and simply [[MagnificentBastard magnificent.]] ** The Trickster/[[spoiler:Gabriel]]. His first appearance in "Tall Tales" is one anyway.extended CrowningMomentOfAwesome, but what takes the cake is his being the first monster to [[spoiler:outsmart the Winchesters]]. Even that is topped by his TheReasonYouSuckSpeech to [[DidYouJustFlipOffCthulhu Lucifer]], [[spoiler:[[DyingMomentOfAwesome even if it didn't end well.]]]] It helps that [[JerkassHasAPoint he usually has a valid point, even if his ways of going about proving it are quite extreme.]] ** [[spoiler:Deanmon]]. Even just his appearing at all is awesome. ** The Alpha Vampire, [[CreepyAwesome Eve's creepiest child.]] And he comes pretty close to wiping out the Campbell clan in his first appearance. ** Balthazar. Just look at his disintegration of ArchangelRaphael's vessel with Lot's salt. Also, the simple fact that it's believable, [[spoiler:albeit not true]], that he would actually travel back in time and change the course of history just because he hated ''Film/{{Titanic}}.'' ** ArchangelMichael. His entrance in the series, burning [[spoiler:Anna]] to ashes with a touch and sending [[spoiler:Uriel]] away with a FingerSnap, solidifies him as awesome.
17th Jan '16 7:27:34 PM SunriseWarrior
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** Fans are split over whether the best era of the show is seasons 1-3 with arguably stronger MonsterOfTheWeek episodes or seasons 4-5 with the Apocalypse arc and the introduction of Castiel. There seems to be a concensus however that the shows dropped in quality [[PostScriptSeason after season 5]] and the [[OnlyTheCreatorDoesItRight departure of Eric Kripke]] but then again the fandom is splitted between those who still enjoy it and those who wants the show to be cancelled.
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** Fans are split over whether the best era of the show is seasons Seasons 1-3 with arguably stronger MonsterOfTheWeek episodes episodes, or seasons Seasons 4-5 with the Apocalypse arc and the introduction of Castiel. There seems to be a concensus however that Many feel the shows show dropped in quality [[PostScriptSeason after season Season 5]] and the [[OnlyTheCreatorDoesItRight departure of Eric Kripke]] Kripke]], but then again again, the fandom is splitted split between those who still enjoy it and those who wants want the show to be cancelled.
17th Jan '16 12:43:22 PM SunriseWarrior
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** It seems that between seasons 6 and 7, the crew realized they couldn't possibly do a war between Heaven and Hell on their budget, so that story is hastily wrapped up before it even gets going in favor of the Leviathans.
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** It seems that between seasons Seasons 6 and 7, the crew realized they couldn't possibly do a war between Heaven and Hell on their budget, so that story is hastily wrapped up before it even gets going in favor of the Leviathans.

** Uriel's group of angels who secretly [[spoiler:support Lucifer and hope to release him from Hell]]. The idea that some angels would've [[spoiler:supported Lucifer over Michael]] would've been an interesting plot point in season five.
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** Uriel's group of angels who secretly [[spoiler:support Lucifer and hope to release him from Hell]]. The idea that some angels would've [[spoiler:supported Lucifer over Michael]] would've been an interesting plot point in season five.Season 5.

*** Didn't Azazel mention other generations of psychic children? We briefly met one towards the end of season one, but what exactly was the point of them? We never find out.
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*** Didn't Azazel mention other generations of psychic children? We briefly met one towards the end of season one, Season 1, but what exactly was the point of them? We never find out.
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