History YMMV / Supernatural

12th Aug '16 2:06:51 PM Morgenthaler
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** Ruby is a [[DeadpanSnarker snarky]], fearless ActionGirl in Season 3. In the next season, she... isn't. This is at least partially due to Genevieve Cortese wanting Ruby to seem vulnerable and innocent and so she plays her differently than Katie Cassidy does, but the writing itself for Ruby provides for less {{Badass}}ery in Season 4.

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** Ruby is a [[DeadpanSnarker snarky]], fearless ActionGirl in Season 3. In the next season, she... isn't. This is at least partially due to Genevieve Cortese wanting Ruby to seem vulnerable and innocent and so she plays her differently than Katie Cassidy does, but the writing itself for Ruby provides for less {{Badass}}ery badassery in Season 4.



* DieForOurShip: Any female that gets near the boys is vilified by the show's {{Yaoi Fangirl}}s. Although Ellen and Pamela were typically very popular with female fans. One might wonder if many of the fangirls' chief problem was that most of the love interests were little more than {{Token Romance}}s and were given few defining characteristics of their own. This is demonstrated by the sudden turnaround in attitudes to Ellen's daughter Jo, who was practically a CreatorsPet during her early appearances in Season 2, but after some serious displays of {{Badass}}, seemingly defying physics by turning down a night with Dean, and then [[spoiler:performing a HeroicSacrifice]] in Season 5, [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap became a much more popular and relatable character to female fans]]. (Though there are quite a few people who ''did'' like Jo from the start and did believe she had a lot of character in her early appearances, not to CreatorsPet levels. The sudden turnaround may not be because they saw she had more character, but because [[spoiler:[[AlasPoorScrappy she ''dies'']]]] in the very same episode this happens in.)

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* DieForOurShip: Any female that gets near the boys is vilified by the show's {{Yaoi Fangirl}}s. Although Ellen and Pamela were typically very popular with female fans. One might wonder if many of the fangirls' chief problem was that most of the love interests were little more than {{Token Romance}}s and were given few defining characteristics of their own. This is demonstrated by the sudden turnaround in attitudes to Ellen's daughter Jo, who was practically a CreatorsPet during her early appearances in Season 2, but after some serious displays of {{Badass}}, badass, seemingly defying physics by turning down a night with Dean, and then [[spoiler:performing a HeroicSacrifice]] in Season 5, [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap became a much more popular and relatable character to female fans]]. (Though there are quite a few people who ''did'' like Jo from the start and did believe she had a lot of character in her early appearances, not to CreatorsPet levels. The sudden turnaround may not be because they saw she had more character, but because [[spoiler:[[AlasPoorScrappy she ''dies'']]]] in the very same episode this happens in.)



** Agent Henriksen. TelevisionWithoutPity bestowed upon him the nickname "Agent Scooter [[InspectorJavert Javert]] [[{{Badass}} Badassitude]]", [[MemeticBadass and it actually suits him]].

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** Agent Henriksen. TelevisionWithoutPity bestowed upon him the nickname "Agent Scooter [[InspectorJavert Javert]] [[{{Badass}} Badassitude]]", Badassitude", [[MemeticBadass and it actually suits him]].



** Benny the {{badass}} FriendlyNeighborhoodVampire [[spoiler:[[EscapedFromHell from Purgatory]]]], who teams up with Dean and calls him "brother". Being one of the show's latest [[TheWoobie woobies]] only sealed the deal.

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** Benny the {{badass}} badass FriendlyNeighborhoodVampire [[spoiler:[[EscapedFromHell from Purgatory]]]], who teams up with Dean and calls him "brother". Being one of the show's latest [[TheWoobie woobies]] only sealed the deal.



* MemeticBadass: Dean, Bobby, and Castiel. For some reason, Sam, while also badass in-series, doesn't usually get portrayed this way in fandom. Sometimes the characters' {{Memetic Badass}}ery [[LampshadeHanging comes into play]] in-universe with other characters commenting on [[FamedInStory their reputation]], a cool quip they just made, or some show of {{badass}}ery.

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* MemeticBadass: Dean, Bobby, and Castiel. For some reason, Sam, while also badass in-series, doesn't usually get portrayed this way in fandom. Sometimes the characters' {{Memetic Badass}}ery [[LampshadeHanging comes into play]] in-universe with other characters commenting on [[FamedInStory their reputation]], a cool quip they just made, or some show of {{badass}}ery.badassery.



*** Benny. {{Badass}} FriendlyNeighborhoodVampire, Purgatory veteran, and ally to Dean at a time when he didn't have many. [[spoiler:But he was the center of a Sam/Dean conflict, so he had to go.]]

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*** Benny. {{Badass}} Badass FriendlyNeighborhoodVampire, Purgatory veteran, and ally to Dean at a time when he didn't have many. [[spoiler:But he was the center of a Sam/Dean conflict, so he had to go.]]
1st Aug '16 11:09:38 AM Silverblade2
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** Katie Cassidy joining ''Series/{{Arrow}}'' as a heroic character wasn't that notable in itself, especially since Ruby's true allegiance wasn't revealed during her time as the character. But the real fun came when the show also featured Amy Gumenick (teenage Mary Winchester) as the LargeHam villain Cupid.
27th Jul '16 7:22:43 AM Larkmarn
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** [[http://www.fangsforthefantasy.com/2012/11/supernatural-women-in-very-overstocked.html This review]] calls the show out for its perceived overreliance on [[StuffedIntoTheFridge women in refrigerators]]. Although [[http://spn-heavymeta.livejournal.com/425753.html this post]] provides an interesting statistical examination which gives something of a counterview, as well as dispelling several common misconceptions about the show's supposed gender bias.

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** [[http://www.fangsforthefantasy.com/2012/11/supernatural-women-in-very-overstocked.html This review]] calls the show out for its perceived overreliance on [[StuffedIntoTheFridge women in refrigerators]]. Although [[http://spn-heavymeta.livejournal.com/425753.html this post]] provides an interesting statistical examination which gives something of a counterview, as well as dispelling several common misconceptions about the show's supposed gender bias.
30th Jun '16 12:31:41 PM Silverblade2
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** Even though she's BaseBreaker at best, one can't deny that [[spoiler:Charlie's]] death was utterly heartbreaking.

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** Even though she's BaseBreaker BaseBreakingCharacter at best, one can't deny that [[spoiler:Charlie's]] death was utterly heartbreaking.



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** While Dean usually tops Sam in popularity, he also has detractors who find him abusive of Sam and resent him for some controversial actions like [[spoiler: killing Sam's friend Amy]]. In short, he's as much a BaseBreaker for dedicated Sam fans as the other way.

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** While Dean usually tops Sam in popularity, he also has detractors who find him abusive of Sam and resent him for some controversial actions like [[spoiler: killing Sam's friend Amy]]. In short, he's as much a BaseBreaker BaseBreakingCharacter for dedicated Sam fans as the other way.



** Season 10: Once again, the show had a potentially amazing storyline set up at the end of last season -This time Dean being turned into a demon by the Mark of Cain. And once again, that potential was completely wasted as the story was thrown out the window three episodes into the season because StatusQuoIsGod (noticing a pattern here?). The writers themselves seem to have realized how badly they dropped the ball there, as they spend the rest of the season awkwardly teasing that it could happen again, but because they failed to establish Demon Dean as [[PokeThePoodle particularly dangerous]] or [[AntiClimax hard to deal with]], it feels like an empty threat. The attempts at expanding the cast with characters like Hannah, Rowena and Claire, most of whom are BaseBreakers or [[TheScrappy worse]], is reviled by many fans who want the show to focus on the older characters they're already invested in, and the lack of a central villain to fight -or even any real objective for the heroes other than just trying to find something to do about the Mark of Cain and hoping Dean doesn't go on a killing spree in the meantime- has caused nearly the entire season to feel like {{filler}}. Not helping are the deaths of [[spoiler: Charlie Bradbury and ''Death itself'']] and the finale ending with a textbook case of VaguenessIsComing. But on the positive side, the writers seem to have finally grasped how sick everyone is of the Sam vs. Dean conflicts and started letting them get along again, and there's been a few hidden gems such as "The Executioner's Song", widely agreed to be one of the best episodes the series has had in years.

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** Season 10: Once again, the show had a potentially amazing storyline set up at the end of last season -This time Dean being turned into a demon by the Mark of Cain. And once again, that potential was completely wasted as the story was thrown out the window three episodes into the season because StatusQuoIsGod (noticing a pattern here?). The writers themselves seem to have realized how badly they dropped the ball there, as they spend the rest of the season awkwardly teasing that it could happen again, but because they failed to establish Demon Dean as [[PokeThePoodle particularly dangerous]] or [[AntiClimax hard to deal with]], it feels like an empty threat. The attempts at expanding the cast with characters like Hannah, Rowena and Claire, most of whom are BaseBreakers BaseBreakingCharacters or [[TheScrappy worse]], is reviled by many fans who want the show to focus on the older characters they're already invested in, and the lack of a central villain to fight -or even any real objective for the heroes other than just trying to find something to do about the Mark of Cain and hoping Dean doesn't go on a killing spree in the meantime- has caused nearly the entire season to feel like {{filler}}. Not helping are the deaths of [[spoiler: Charlie Bradbury and ''Death itself'']] and the finale ending with a textbook case of VaguenessIsComing. But on the positive side, the writers seem to have finally grasped how sick everyone is of the Sam vs. Dean conflicts and started letting them get along again, and there's been a few hidden gems such as "The Executioner's Song", widely agreed to be one of the best episodes the series has had in years.
6th Jun '16 4:39:49 AM Pren
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** While the other half largely makes up for it, part of the cliffhanger to end Season 11 is that...Sam might have been shot. It's impossible to take seriously that the show might kill off one of the brothers at this point, and with the rules already changed so there's no more coming back for either of them, no one at all is thinking it might have actually happened.
26th May '16 8:06:31 AM Godzillawolf
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** "We Happy Few" and "Alpha and Omega" [[spoiler:bucks the trend of the BigBad being anticlimactically defeated in 30 seconds]] by having [[spoiler:Amara take a good half an episode and a massive EnemyMine to even wear down, and instead of being destroyed by the Soul Bomb made in the latter episode, is ultimately stopped by her feelings for Dean and relationship with her brother, which actually ''had'' been built up all season.]] The fact [[spoiler:for once the conflict with a villain ended optimistically with Dean actually being ''rewarded'' for going the peaceful route]] is also considered this by some for [[spoiler:being something very different from the previous finales and shakes things up.]]
15th May '16 6:50:12 AM ading
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* StrawmanHasAPoint: [[spoiler: Yes, Sam, you right that you and Dean went long ago in HeWhoFightsMonsters territory, but Dean is absolutely right that the corrupted men are to be killed or they corrupt or kill even more. Namely, they corrupted you.]]
** [[spoiler: But Sam still found the cure.]]
7th May '16 3:55:46 PM ading
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** Lucifer's whole season 5 attempt to bring about the apocalypse came from a deep disgust at humanity, and resentment that God threw him down into hell for it. It turns out that Chuck has actually come around to agreeing with his favorite son about the [[HumansAreBastards toxicity of human nature]] since then, which explains why he was willing to let Lucifer burn it all down and why he's willing to let Amara wipe everything out now. It also explains why Chuck refuses to see Lucifer as the bad guy.

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** Lucifer's whole season 5 attempt to bring about the apocalypse came from a deep disgust at humanity, and resentment that God threw him down into hell for it. It [[spoiler:In "Don't Call Me Shurley", it turns out that Chuck has actually come around to agreeing with his favorite son about the [[HumansAreBastards toxicity of human nature]] since then, which explains why he was willing to let Lucifer burn it all down and why he's willing to let Amara wipe everything out now. It also explains why Chuck refuses to see Lucifer as the bad guy.]]
7th May '16 3:55:03 PM ading
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** Lucifer's whole season 5 attempt to bring about the apocalypse came from a deep disgust at humanity, and resentment that God threw him down into hell for it. It turns out that Chuck has actually come around to agreeing with his favorite son about the [[HumansAreBastards toxicity of human nature]] since then, which explains why he was willing to let Lucifer burn it all down and why he's willing to let Amara wipe everything out now. It also explains why Chuck refuses to see Lucifer as the bad guy.
7th May '16 2:04:37 AM Silverblade2
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** On the villains' side of things, there's YED/Azazel. You know you've got yourself a popular villain when the reaction of a fanbase to his sudden reappearance isn't [[BigNo "No!"]] but [[BigYes "YEEES!"]] No [[DracoInLeatherPants leather pants]] involved here: he's beloved precisely because of how [[MagnificentBastard marvelously evil]] he is while still being a sadistic, [[MemeticMolester pervy]] DeadpanSnarker.



** Despite being the devil, Lucifer is immensely popular with fans.
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