History YMMV / Supernatural

20th Jun '18 5:55:58 AM QueenofSwords
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** Genevieve Cortese's Ruby is this to Katie Cassidy's portrayal. While Katie Cassidy's Ruby was not liked to begin with, Cortese's Ruby was outright ''hated'', both due to Ruby's BadassDecay and Cortese's terrible acting skills.

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** Genevieve Cortese's Ruby is this to Katie Cassidy's portrayal. While Katie Cassidy's Ruby was not liked to begin with, Cortese's Ruby was outright ''hated'', both due to Ruby's BadassDecay and Cortese's terrible acting skills.acting.
17th Jun '18 4:37:14 PM 43110
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** Azazel. Even after [[spoiler:his death]], he's still able to pull the strings to complete his master plan.
** Crowley. Not only can he play XanatosSpeedChess like a master, he's done the ''one'' thing both the angels and demons have been trying to do since Season 1 -- get the Winchesters to do what he wants them to! Later in the season, we find out that [[spoiler:he's apparently also got Castiel working for him, and they faked his death]]. In the seventh season finale, Crowley even manages to [[spoiler:get his rival killed, capture an enemy Lucifer loyalist, kidnap a prophet of the Lord, ''and'' banish Dean and Castiel to Purgatory]]. Magnificent doesn't begin to cover Crowley's awesomeness.
*** Crowley gets bonus points for being the only BigBad on the show to take the Winchesters seriously as threats.

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** Azazel. Even after [[spoiler:his death]], he's still able to pull Azazel, the strings to complete his master plan.
** Crowley. Not only can he play XanatosSpeedChess like a master, he's done
mightiest of the ''one'' thing both [[DemonLordsAndArchDevils Princes of Hell]] and one of the angels and first demons made by Lucifer. The first to find Lucifer and formulate the plan to free him, Azazel begins cultivating the 'special' children and shaping their lives to enhance their psychic powers, including Sam Winchester. Later completely outwitting the Winchesters and defeating them, he convinces father John Winchester to sacrifice his life to bring Dean back to life, eliminating his greatest enemy and sending John to hell so the demons can begin working on breaking the 66 Seals. Azazel manipulates the psychic children further into a gauntlet to determine who will open the gates of hell to free Lilith herself, all for the sake of the winner destroying her to eventually unleash Lucifer while being ready and available as the fallen angel's vessel. Azazel remains one of the most dangerous and [[ItsPersonal personal enemies]] the Winchesters had ever faced, whose charm and ruthlessness have rarely been trying matched with his [[EvenEvilHasLovedOnes love for his demon children]] making him a [[EvilCounterpart dark mirror]] to do since Season 1 -- get John Winchester himself.
** Crowley starts as a lowly demon salesman who realizes Lucifer's intentions to wipe out humanity. Assisting
the Winchesters to do what he wants them to! Later in help bring Lucifer down, Crowley later relies on [[FromNobodyToNightmare his wits and power to ascend to become the season, we find out that [[spoiler:he's apparently also got King of Hell]] where he becomes the Winchesters' deadly enemy. Using Castiel working to assist him into mining Purgatory for him, and they faked his death]]. In the seventh season finale, power of the souls within, Crowley even usually manages to [[spoiler:get stay a step ahead of the Winchesters, frequently coming out on top and strengthening his rival killed, capture an enemy position while eliminating his enemies and rivals. Upon the return of Lucifer, Crowley manages to even outwit and briefly helps imprison the fallen angel before his escape. Even at the end, Crowley manages to achieve a victory against Lucifer loyalist, kidnap a prophet of by sacrificing his own life, proving that when one faces Crowley, even when he loses, he will win in the Lord, ''and'' banish Dean and Castiel to Purgatory]]. Magnificent doesn't begin to cover Crowley's awesomeness.
*** Crowley gets bonus points for being the only BigBad on the show to take the Winchesters seriously as threats.
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16th Jun '18 1:40:13 PM kalel32688
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** [[{{Satan}} Lucifer]] was [[TheParagonAlwaysRebels once a prideful Archangel]] who tortured the below-mentioned Lilith into being the first demon, [[TheCorrupter corrupting human souls]], for which he was locked in hell. Enacting the misery that befell the Winchester family through his child Azazel, Lucifer achieves freedom in the 5th season and causes mass loss of life across the world, seeking to wipe out humanity before he intends to destroy the demons as well. Later freed from his cage to assist God and the Winchesters against God's sister, the Darkness, Lucifer later simply begins causing random mayhem and destruction for fun before attempting to become the new God. Failing miserably at the job, Lucifer supposedly begins to connect with his son Jack, but when Jack sees him for the egotistical monster he really is, Lucifer steals Jack's powers and decides to [[OmnicidalManiac annihilate all life in the universe]] and remake it in his own image, even trying to force Sam and Jack to choose [[SadisticChoice which of them will kill himself first]] to give the other a vague chance at stopping Lucifer. While trying to [[NeverMyFault paint himself as a tragic figure]], Lucifer is an [[PsychopathicManchild egotistical brat throwing a temper tantrum]], whose every redeeming quality is steadily stripped away until he is shown to be a selfish sociopath with [[AGodAmI a god complex]] who utterly rejects love and compassion in favor of cruelty and egotism.

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** [[{{Satan}} Lucifer]] was [[TheParagonAlwaysRebels once a prideful Archangel]] who tortured the below-mentioned Lilith into being becoming the first demon, [[TheCorrupter corrupting demon and corrupted many human souls]], souls into demons as well, for which he was locked in hell. {{Hell}}. Enacting the misery that befell the Winchester family through his child Azazel, Lucifer achieves freedom [[TheDragon Azazel]], he is freed in the 5th fifth season and causes mass loss of life across the world, seeking to wipe out humanity before he intends to destroy the demons demons, his own creation who worship him as a deity, as well. Later After he is freed from his cage again in Season 11 to assist God and the Winchesters against God's sister, the Darkness, Lucifer later simply begins causing random mayhem and destruction [[ForTheEvulz for fun fun]] before attempting to become the new God. Failing miserably at the job, Lucifer supposedly begins to connect with his half-human son Jack, but when Jack sees him for the egotistical monster he really is, Lucifer he steals Jack's his son's powers and decides to [[OmnicidalManiac annihilate all life in the universe]] and remake it in his own image, even trying to force Sam and Jack to choose [[SadisticChoice which of them will kill himself first]] to give the other a vague chance at stopping Lucifer. him. While trying to [[NeverMyFault paint himself as a tragic figure]], Lucifer is an [[PsychopathicManchild egotistical brat throwing a temper tantrum]], tantrum]] whose every redeeming quality is steadily stripped away until he is shown to be a selfish sociopath [[TheSociopath sociopath]] with [[AGodAmI a god complex]] who utterly rejects love and compassion in favor of cruelty and egotism.
16th Jun '18 10:20:22 AM ACW
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** [[DemonLordsAndArchdevils Alastair]], from Season 4, is described by Ruby as Hell's "[[TortureTechnician Grand Inquisitor...Picasso with a razor]]." [[TheDreaded Feared by demons well beyond Angels]], he is responsible for supervising the [[ColdBloodedTorture torture]] of all of Hell's newly-arrived souls, corrupting them into demons. Having already tortured John Winchester for a hundred years, when Dean arrives in Hell, Alastair tortures him every day, [[ImpaledWithExtremePrejudice impaling him with hooks and chains]], [[FlayedAlive flaying]] and dismembering his entire body -- which no matter the damage would then heal the next day so he could start again -- for thirty years. Each day he offers to stop if Dean will [[DealWithTheDevil accept his offer]] and torment other souls on Alastair's behalf. Unbeknownst to Dean when he finally breaks, by doing so he broke one of the seals imprisoning Lucifer, a fact that Alastair [[MindRape psychologically tortures]] Dean with during their subsequent encounters. [[Recap/SupernaturalS04E09IKnowWhatYouDidLastSummer During]] the [[SupernaturalS04E10HeavenAndHell hunt]] for Anna Milton, Alastair [[SlashedThroat slits her parents' throats]]. When Ruby approaches him offering to give him Anna in exchange for sparing her, Sam and Dean, Alastair instead captures Ruby and brutally vivisects her with her own knife, before [[NoHoldsBarredBeatdown beating Castiel senseless]], which Cas only survives because Alastair isn't powerful enough to kill an angel. He also scrambles Dean's organs when he tries to save Cas. To break another seal he murders a Reaper and attempts to murder Tessa [[Recap/SupernaturalS04E15DeathTakesAHoliday later in the series]], pausing only to demonstrate to the brothers just how painful rock salt is to a spirit. [[Recap/SupernaturalS04E16OnTheHeadOfAPin Doing his best]] to kill Sam and Dean, he brutally beats then attempts to banish Castiel, before finally being killed by Sam. Living only to cause others suffering and [[{{Sadist}} enjoying every single moment of it]], Alastair, despite his relatively low body count, is one of the worst demons in the series.

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** [[DemonLordsAndArchdevils **[[TortureTechnician Alastair]], from Season season 4, is described by Ruby as Hell's "[[TortureTechnician Grand Inquisitor...Picasso with a razor]]." [[TheDreaded Inquisitor, and assists the aforementioned Lilith in her attempts to free Lucifer. Feared by demons well beyond Angels]], he even angels, Alastair is responsible for supervising all the [[ColdBloodedTorture torture]] of all torture of Hell's newly-arrived souls, eventually corrupting them into demons. Having already tortured John Winchester for spent a hundred years, when Dean arrives in Hell, years torturing John Winchester, Alastair tortures him brutally tortured Dean every day, [[ImpaledWithExtremePrejudice impaling him with hooks and chains]], [[FlayedAlive flaying]] and dismembering his entire body -- which no matter day then healed the damage would then heal the next day so he could start and starting again -- for thirty years. Each day he offers to stop if Broken, Dean will [[DealWithTheDevil accept his offer]] and torment agrees to torture other souls on Alastair's behalf. Unbeknownst to Dean when he finally breaks, by doing so he broke one stop his suffering, thus breaking the first of the seals imprisoning Lucifer, a fact that Alastair [[MindRape psychologically tortures]] Dean with during their subsequent encounters. Lucifer. [[Recap/SupernaturalS04E09IKnowWhatYouDidLastSummer During]] the Hunting]] for [[SupernaturalS04E10HeavenAndHell hunt]] for Anna Milton, Milton]], Alastair [[SlashedThroat slits slit her parents' throats]]. throats. When Ruby approaches him offering to give offers him Anna in exchange for sparing her, Sam and Dean, them Alastair instead captures Ruby and brutally vivisects her Ruby with her own knife, before [[NoHoldsBarredBeatdown beating beats Castiel senseless]], which Cas only survives because Alastair isn't powerful enough to kill an angel. He also senseless and scrambles Dean's organs when he tries to save Cas. To break another seal he murders a Reaper and attempts to murder Tessa Deanís organs. [[Recap/SupernaturalS04E15DeathTakesAHoliday later in the series]], pausing only To break another seal]], he murders a Reaper and attempts to demonstrate to the brothers just how painful rock salt is to a spirit. murder Tessa. [[Recap/SupernaturalS04E16OnTheHeadOfAPin Doing his best]] to kill Sam and Captured]], Alastair gleefully psychologically tortures Dean, he then brutally beats then and attempts to banish Castiel, before finally being killed by Sam. Living only to cause others suffering and [[{{Sadist}} enjoying every single moment of it]], Alastair, despite his relatively low body count, is it, Alastair was one of the worst demons in the series.
10th Jun '18 12:45:04 PM ACW
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** [[{{Satan}} Lucifer]] was [[TheParagonAlwaysRebels once a prideful Archangel]] who tortured the below-mentioned Lilith into being the first demon, [[TheCorrupter corrupting human souls]], for which he was locked in hell. Enacting the misery that befell the Winchester family through his child Azazel, Lucifer achieves freedom in the 5th season and causes mass loss of life across the world, seeking to wipe out humanity before he intends to destroy the demons as well. Later freed from his cage to assist God and the Winchesters against God's sister, the Darkness, Lucifer later simply begins causing random mayhem and destruction for fun before attempting to become the new God. Failing miserably at the job, Lucifer supposedly begins to connect with his son Jack, but when Jack sees him for the egotistical monster he really is, Lucifer steals Jack's powers and decides to [[OmnicidalManiac annihilate all life in the universe]] and remake it in his own image, even trying to force Sam and Jack to choose [[SadisticChoice which of them will kill himself first]] to give the other a vague chance at stopping Lucifer. While trying to [[NeverMyFault paint himself as a tragic figure]], Lucifer is an [[PsychopathicManchild egotistical brat throwing a temper tantrum]], whose every redeeming quality is steadily stripped away until he is shown to be a selfish sociopath with [[AGodAmI a god complex who utterly rejects love and compassion in favor of cruelty and egotism]].

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** [[{{Satan}} Lucifer]] was [[TheParagonAlwaysRebels once a prideful Archangel]] who tortured the below-mentioned Lilith into being the first demon, [[TheCorrupter corrupting human souls]], for which he was locked in hell. Enacting the misery that befell the Winchester family through his child Azazel, Lucifer achieves freedom in the 5th season and causes mass loss of life across the world, seeking to wipe out humanity before he intends to destroy the demons as well. Later freed from his cage to assist God and the Winchesters against God's sister, the Darkness, Lucifer later simply begins causing random mayhem and destruction for fun before attempting to become the new God. Failing miserably at the job, Lucifer supposedly begins to connect with his son Jack, but when Jack sees him for the egotistical monster he really is, Lucifer steals Jack's powers and decides to [[OmnicidalManiac annihilate all life in the universe]] and remake it in his own image, even trying to force Sam and Jack to choose [[SadisticChoice which of them will kill himself first]] to give the other a vague chance at stopping Lucifer. While trying to [[NeverMyFault paint himself as a tragic figure]], Lucifer is an [[PsychopathicManchild egotistical brat throwing a temper tantrum]], whose every redeeming quality is steadily stripped away until he is shown to be a selfish sociopath with [[AGodAmI a god complex complex]] who utterly rejects love and compassion in favor of cruelty and egotism]].egotism.
10th Jun '18 12:44:37 PM ACW
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** [[{{Satan}} Lucifer]] was [[TheParagonAlwaysRebels once a prideful Archangel]] who tortured the below-mentioned Lilith into being the first demon, [[TheCorrupter corrupting human souls for which he was locked in hell. Enacting the misery that befell the Winchester family through his child Azazel, Lucifer achieves freedom in the 5th season and causes mass loss of life across the world, seeking to wipe out humanity before he intends to destroy the demons as well. Later freed from his cage to assist God and the Winchesters against God's sister, the Darkness, Lucifer later simply begins causing random mayhem and destruction for fun before attempting to become the new God. Failing miserably at the job, Lucifer supposedly begins to connect with his son Jack, but when Jack sees him for the egotistical monster he really is, Lucifer steals Jack's powers and decides to [[OmnicidalManiac annihilate all life in the universe]] and remake it in his own image, even trying to force Sam and Jack to choose [[SadisticChoice which of them will kill himself first]] to give the other a vague chance at stopping Lucifer. While trying to [[NeverMyFault paint himself as a tragic figure]], Lucifer is an [[PsychopathicManchild egotistical brat throwing a temper tantrum]], whose every redeeming quality is steadily stripped away until he is shown to be a selfish sociopath with [[AGodAmI a god complex who utterly rejects love and compassion in favor of cruelty and egotism]].

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** [[{{Satan}} Lucifer]] was [[TheParagonAlwaysRebels once a prideful Archangel]] who tortured the below-mentioned Lilith into being the first demon, [[TheCorrupter corrupting human souls souls]], for which he was locked in hell. Enacting the misery that befell the Winchester family through his child Azazel, Lucifer achieves freedom in the 5th season and causes mass loss of life across the world, seeking to wipe out humanity before he intends to destroy the demons as well. Later freed from his cage to assist God and the Winchesters against God's sister, the Darkness, Lucifer later simply begins causing random mayhem and destruction for fun before attempting to become the new God. Failing miserably at the job, Lucifer supposedly begins to connect with his son Jack, but when Jack sees him for the egotistical monster he really is, Lucifer steals Jack's powers and decides to [[OmnicidalManiac annihilate all life in the universe]] and remake it in his own image, even trying to force Sam and Jack to choose [[SadisticChoice which of them will kill himself first]] to give the other a vague chance at stopping Lucifer. While trying to [[NeverMyFault paint himself as a tragic figure]], Lucifer is an [[PsychopathicManchild egotistical brat throwing a temper tantrum]], whose every redeeming quality is steadily stripped away until he is shown to be a selfish sociopath with [[AGodAmI a god complex who utterly rejects love and compassion in favor of cruelty and egotism]].
10th Jun '18 12:44:03 PM ACW
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**[[{{Satan}} Lucifer]] was [[TheParagonAlwaysRebels once a prideful Archangel]] who tortured the below-mentioned Lilith into being the first demon, [[TheCorrupter corrupting human souls for which he was locked in hell. Enacting the misery that befell the Winchester family through his child Azazel, Lucifer achieves freedom in the 5th season and causes mass loss of life across the world, seeking to wipe out humanity before he intends to destroy the demons as well. Later freed from his cage to assist God and the Winchesters against God's sister, the Darkness, Lucifer later simply begins causing random mayhem and destruction for fun before attempting to become the new God. Failing miserably at the job, Lucifer supposedly begins to connect with his son Jack, but when Jack sees him for the egotistical monster he really is, Lucifer steals Jack's powers and decides to [[OmnicidalManiac annihilate all life in the universe]] and remake it in his own image, even trying to force Sam and Jack to choose [[SadisticChoice which of them will kill himself first]] to give the other a vague chance at stopping Lucifer. While trying to [[NeverMyFault paint himself as a tragic figure]], Lucifer is an [[PsychopathicManchild egotistical brat throwing a temper tantrum]], whose every redeeming quality is steadily stripped away until he is shown to be a selfish sociopath with [[AGodAmI a god complex who utterly rejects love and compassion in favor of cruelty and egotism]].
7th Jun '18 2:16:43 PM TimeLordVictorious
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** [[spoiler:Crowley crosses this in Season 11, ''Form and Void'', when he brings people, including children, for Amara/Darkness, who eats souls.]]

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** [[spoiler:Crowley crosses this in Season 11, ''Form and Void'', when he brings people, including children, for Amara/Darkness, who eats souls. Later episodes, however, suggest that he's still redeemable.]]



** Parallel!Michael is already over it when he's introduced in Season 13, as he has decimated the Apocalypse World and desires to do the same to the main reality, but we see that he's not fucking around anymore when [[spoiler: he sends Kevin Tran as a suicide bomber filled with Angel Grace.]]

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** Parallel!Michael is already over it when he's introduced in Season 13, as he has decimated the Apocalypse World and desires to do the same to the main reality, but we see that he's not fucking around anymore when [[spoiler: he sends Kevin Tran as a suicide bomber filled with Angel Grace.]] And if he didn't cross it either then or when he [[spoiler: kills Gabriel]], then he definitely crosses it [[spoiler: when he goes back on his deal with Dean, by taking full control of Dean's body after he powered him up in order to kill Lucifer.]]
2nd Jun '18 8:02:03 AM QueenofSwords
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** Amelia brought in as a love interest for Sam in the first half of Season 8. She was received so badly by the fandom that not only did the writers acknowledge it, she received only a single scene in the [[PreviouslyOn Season Finale Recap]] despite being in a third of the season's episodes. Part of why she's so hated is that the writers intended for her to be the reason why Sam quit hunting and didn't look for Dean, but showed little - if any - reason for Sam to honestly do so. And while her forcing Sam to adopt the dog he hit (with absolutely no idea if he was equipped for it) wasn't a great place to start, the fact that she's a ''massive'' JerkAss in nearly all of her appearances is what clinched it. Even ''Lucifer'', of all people, [[VillainHasAPoint chews Sam out]] for hooking up with Amelia in "The Devil In Details". To make matters worse, she's an inverted version of SavedByTheFans; the writers decided to let her live precisely ''because'' she was so despised, [[spoiler:which meant that [[EnsembleDarkhorse fan favorite]] Sarah died in her place during the events of "Clip Show".]]

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** Amelia was brought in as a love interest for Sam in the first half of Season 8. She was received so badly by the fandom that not only did the writers acknowledge it, she received only a single scene in the [[PreviouslyOn Season Finale Recap]] despite being in a third of the season's episodes. Part of why she's so hated is that the writers intended for her to be the reason why Sam quit hunting and didn't look for Dean, but showed little - if any - reason for Sam to honestly do so. And while her forcing Sam to adopt the dog he hit (with absolutely no idea if he was equipped for it) wasn't a great place to start, the fact that she's a ''massive'' JerkAss in nearly all of her appearances is what clinched it. Even ''Lucifer'', of all people, [[VillainHasAPoint chews Sam out]] for hooking up with Amelia in "The Devil In Details". To make matters worse, she's an inverted version of SavedByTheFans; the writers decided to let her live precisely ''because'' she was so despised, [[spoiler:which meant that [[EnsembleDarkhorse fan favorite]] Sarah died in her place during the events of "Clip Show".]]
2nd Jun '18 8:00:22 AM QueenofSwords
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** Amelia brought in as a love interest for Sam in the first half of Season 8. She was received so badly by the fandom that not only did the writers acknowledge it, she received only a single scene in the [[PreviouslyOn Season Finale Recap]] despite being in a third of the season's episodes. Part of why she's so hated is that the writers intended for her to be the reason why Sam quit hunting and didn't look for Dean, but showed little - if any - reason for Sam to honestly do so. And while her forcing Sam to adopt the dog he hit (with absolutely no idea if he was equipped for it) wasn't a great place to start, the fact that she's a ''massive'' JerkAss in nearly all of her appearances is what clinched it. Even ''Lucifer'', of all people, [[VillainHasAPoint chews Sam out]] for hooking up with Amelia in "The Devil In Details". To make matters ''worse'', she's an inverted version of SavedByTheFans; the writers decided to let her live precisely ''because'' she was so despised, [[spoiler:which meant that [[EnsembleDarkhorse fan favorite]] Sarah died in her place during the events of "Clip Show".]]

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** Amelia brought in as a love interest for Sam in the first half of Season 8. She was received so badly by the fandom that not only did the writers acknowledge it, she received only a single scene in the [[PreviouslyOn Season Finale Recap]] despite being in a third of the season's episodes. Part of why she's so hated is that the writers intended for her to be the reason why Sam quit hunting and didn't look for Dean, but showed little - if any - reason for Sam to honestly do so. And while her forcing Sam to adopt the dog he hit (with absolutely no idea if he was equipped for it) wasn't a great place to start, the fact that she's a ''massive'' JerkAss in nearly all of her appearances is what clinched it. Even ''Lucifer'', of all people, [[VillainHasAPoint chews Sam out]] for hooking up with Amelia in "The Devil In Details". To make matters ''worse'', worse, she's an inverted version of SavedByTheFans; the writers decided to let her live precisely ''because'' she was so despised, [[spoiler:which meant that [[EnsembleDarkhorse fan favorite]] Sarah died in her place during the events of "Clip Show".]]
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