History YMMV / Supernatural

5th Aug '17 8:17:43 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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*** Crowley gets bonus points for being the only BigBad on the show to [[GenreSavvy take the Winchesters seriously as threats.]]

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*** Crowley gets bonus points for being the only BigBad on the show to [[GenreSavvy take the Winchesters seriously as threats.]]
10th Jul '17 6:55:49 AM ACW
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* [[MonsterOfTheWeek Whitman Van Ness]], from season 7's "[[Recap/SupernaturalS07E19OfGraveImportance Of Grave Importance]]", was a former rich man turned SerialKiller in the early 1900s. He [[SlashedThroat slit the necks]] of numerous [[DisposableSexWorker prostitutes]] who worked in his manor house, climaxing with the murder of his own fiancé and [[FrameUp framing]] the caretaker Dexter O'Connor for everything, leading to Dexter being shot by the authorities. Following his death, Whitman became [[OurGhostsAreDifferent a very powerful spirit]], and, to protect himself from the decay all ghosts suffer, began feeding off other spirits, effectively destroying them. Whitman spent decades killing countless people who came into his house, then used his powers to prevent their spirits from passing on; trapping his victims in constant terror of him [[AndIMustScream whilst they all slowly decay into rotting mindless abominations]] so he could stay strong. Whitman also [[{{Sadist}} takes amusement]] from their horrific fate and enjoys lording his power over them. In the present he murders two teenagers who hide in his house, and then murders Sam, Dean and Bobby's old friend [[HunterOfMonsters Annie Hawkins]]. A few nights later he murders two friends of the first pair of teenagers by crushing their hearts, adding all of them to his collection. When Dexter protested that he already had more than enough victims, Whitman drained him on the spot. Whitman's final act was to try and drain Bobby, before Sam and Dean burnt his bones.

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* ** [[MonsterOfTheWeek Whitman Van Ness]], from season 7's "[[Recap/SupernaturalS07E19OfGraveImportance Of Grave Importance]]", was a former rich man turned SerialKiller in the early 1900s. He [[SlashedThroat slit the necks]] of numerous [[DisposableSexWorker prostitutes]] who worked in his manor house, climaxing with the murder of his own fiancé and [[FrameUp framing]] the caretaker Dexter O'Connor for everything, leading to Dexter being shot by the authorities. Following his death, Whitman became [[OurGhostsAreDifferent a very powerful spirit]], and, to protect himself from the decay all ghosts suffer, began feeding off other spirits, effectively destroying them. Whitman spent decades killing countless people who came into his house, then used his powers to prevent their spirits from passing on; trapping his victims in constant terror of him [[AndIMustScream whilst they all slowly decay into rotting mindless abominations]] so he could stay strong. Whitman also [[{{Sadist}} takes amusement]] from their horrific fate and enjoys lording his power over them. In the present he murders two teenagers who hide in his house, and then murders Sam, Dean and Bobby's old friend [[HunterOfMonsters Annie Hawkins]]. A few nights later he murders two friends of the first pair of teenagers by crushing their hearts, adding all of them to his collection. When Dexter protested that he already had more than enough victims, Whitman drained him on the spot. Whitman's final act was to try and drain Bobby, before Sam and Dean burnt his bones.
9th Jul '17 3:25:49 PM ACW
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** [[DemonLordsAndArchdevils Alastair]], from season 4, is described by Ruby as Hell's "[[TortureTechnician Grand Inquisitor...Picasso with a razor]]." [[TheDreaded Feared by demons well beyond Angels]], he is responsible for supervising the [[ColdBloodedTorture torture]] of all of Hell's newly-arrived souls, corrupting them into demons. Having already tortured John Winchester for a hundred years, when Dean arrives in Hell, Alastair tortures him every day, [[ImpaledWithExtremePrejudice impaling him with hooks and chains]], [[FlayedAlive flaying]] and dismembering his entire body-- which no matter the damage would then heal the next day so he could start again- for thirty years. Each day he offers to stop if Dean will [[DealWithTheDevil accept his offer]] and torment other souls on Alastair's behalf. Unbeknownst to Dean when he finally breaks, by doing so he broke one of the seals imprisoning Lucifer, a fact that Alastair [[MindRape psychologically tortures]] Dean with during their subsequent encounters. [[Recap/SupernaturalS04E09IKnowWhatYouDidLastSummer During]] the [[SupernaturalS04E10HeavenAndHell hunt]] for Anna Milton, Alastair [[SlashedThroat slits her parents' throats]]. When Ruby approaches him offering to give him Anna in exchange for sparing her, Sam and Dean, Alastair instead captures Ruby and brutally vivisects her with her own knife, before [[NoHoldsBarredBeatdown beating Castiel senseless]], which Cas only survives because Alastair isn't powerful enough to kill an angel. He also scrambles Dean's organs when he tries to save Cas. To break another seal he murders a Reaper and attempts to murder Tessa [[Recap/SupernaturalS04E15DeathTakesAHoliday later in the series]], pausing only to demonstrate to the brothers just how painful rock salt is to a spirit. [[Recap/SupernaturalS04E16OnTheHeadOfAPin Doing his best]] to kill Sam and Dean, he brutally beats then attempts to banish Castiel, before finally being killed by Sam. Living only to cause others suffering and [[{{Sadist}} enjoying every single moment of it]], Alastair , despite his relatively low body count, is one of the worst demons in the series.

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** [[DemonLordsAndArchdevils Alastair]], from season 4, is described by Ruby as Hell's "[[TortureTechnician Grand Inquisitor...Picasso with a razor]]." [[TheDreaded Feared by demons well beyond Angels]], he is responsible for supervising the [[ColdBloodedTorture torture]] of all of Hell's newly-arrived souls, corrupting them into demons. Having already tortured John Winchester for a hundred years, when Dean arrives in Hell, Alastair tortures him every day, [[ImpaledWithExtremePrejudice impaling him with hooks and chains]], [[FlayedAlive flaying]] and dismembering his entire body-- which no matter the damage would then heal the next day so he could start again- for thirty years. Each day he offers to stop if Dean will [[DealWithTheDevil accept his offer]] and torment other souls on Alastair's behalf. Unbeknownst to Dean when he finally breaks, by doing so he broke one of the seals imprisoning Lucifer, a fact that Alastair [[MindRape psychologically tortures]] Dean with during their subsequent encounters. [[Recap/SupernaturalS04E09IKnowWhatYouDidLastSummer During]] the [[SupernaturalS04E10HeavenAndHell hunt]] for Anna Milton, Alastair [[SlashedThroat slits her parents' throats]]. When Ruby approaches him offering to give him Anna in exchange for sparing her, Sam and Dean, Alastair instead captures Ruby and brutally vivisects her with her own knife, before [[NoHoldsBarredBeatdown beating Castiel senseless]], which Cas only survives because Alastair isn't powerful enough to kill an angel. He also scrambles Dean's organs when he tries to save Cas. To break another seal he murders a Reaper and attempts to murder Tessa [[Recap/SupernaturalS04E15DeathTakesAHoliday later in the series]], pausing only to demonstrate to the brothers just how painful rock salt is to a spirit. [[Recap/SupernaturalS04E16OnTheHeadOfAPin Doing his best]] to kill Sam and Dean, he brutally beats then attempts to banish Castiel, before finally being killed by Sam. Living only to cause others suffering and [[{{Sadist}} enjoying every single moment of it]], Alastair , Alastair, despite his relatively low body count, is one of the worst demons in the series.
9th Jul '17 3:22:35 PM ACW
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** [[DemonLordsAndArchdevils Alastair]], from season 4, is described by Ruby as Hell's "[[TortureTechnician Grand Inquisitor...Picasso with a razor]]." [[TheDreaded Feared by demons well beyond Angels]], he is responsible for supervising the [[ColdBloodedTorture torture]] of all of Hell's newly-arrived souls, corrupting them into demons. Having already tortured John Winchester for a hundred years, when Dean arrives in Hell, Alastair tortures him every day, [[ImpaledWithExtremePrejudice impaling him with hooks and chains]], [[FlayedAlive flaying]] and dismembering his entire body-- which no matter the damage would then heal the next day so he could start again- for thirty years. Each day he offers to stop if Dean will [[DealWithTheDevil accept his offer]] and torment other souls on Alastair's behalf. Unbeknownst to Dean when he finally breaks, by doing so he broke one of the seals imprisoning Lucifer, a fact that Alastair [[MindRape psychologically tortures]] Dean with during their subsequent encounters. [[Recap/SupernaturalS04E09IKnowWhatYouDidLastSummer During]] the [[SupernaturalS04E10HeavenAndHell hunt]] for Anna Milton, Alastair [[SlashedThroat slits her parents' throats]]. When Ruby approaches him offering to give him Anna in exchange for sparing her, Sam and Dean, Alastair instead captures Ruby and brutally vivisects her with her own knife, before [[NoHoldsBarredBeatdown beating Castiel senseless]], which Cas only survives because Alastair isn't powerful enough to kill an angel). He also scrambles Dean's organs when he tries to save Cas. To break another seal he murders a Reaper and attempts to murder Tessa [[Recap/SupernaturalS04E15DeathTakesAHoliday later in the series]], pausing only to demonstrate to the brothers just how painful rock salt is to a spirit. [[Recap/SupernaturalS04E16OnTheHeadOfAPin Doing his best]] to kill Sam and Dean, he brutally beats then attempts to banish Castiel, before finally being killed by Sam. Living only to cause others suffering and [[{{Sadist}} enjoying every single moment of it]], Alastair , despite his relatively low body count, is one of the worst demons in the series.

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** [[DemonLordsAndArchdevils Alastair]], from season 4, is described by Ruby as Hell's "[[TortureTechnician Grand Inquisitor...Picasso with a razor]]." [[TheDreaded Feared by demons well beyond Angels]], he is responsible for supervising the [[ColdBloodedTorture torture]] of all of Hell's newly-arrived souls, corrupting them into demons. Having already tortured John Winchester for a hundred years, when Dean arrives in Hell, Alastair tortures him every day, [[ImpaledWithExtremePrejudice impaling him with hooks and chains]], [[FlayedAlive flaying]] and dismembering his entire body-- which no matter the damage would then heal the next day so he could start again- for thirty years. Each day he offers to stop if Dean will [[DealWithTheDevil accept his offer]] and torment other souls on Alastair's behalf. Unbeknownst to Dean when he finally breaks, by doing so he broke one of the seals imprisoning Lucifer, a fact that Alastair [[MindRape psychologically tortures]] Dean with during their subsequent encounters. [[Recap/SupernaturalS04E09IKnowWhatYouDidLastSummer During]] the [[SupernaturalS04E10HeavenAndHell hunt]] for Anna Milton, Alastair [[SlashedThroat slits her parents' throats]]. When Ruby approaches him offering to give him Anna in exchange for sparing her, Sam and Dean, Alastair instead captures Ruby and brutally vivisects her with her own knife, before [[NoHoldsBarredBeatdown beating Castiel senseless]], which Cas only survives because Alastair isn't powerful enough to kill an angel).angel. He also scrambles Dean's organs when he tries to save Cas. To break another seal he murders a Reaper and attempts to murder Tessa [[Recap/SupernaturalS04E15DeathTakesAHoliday later in the series]], pausing only to demonstrate to the brothers just how painful rock salt is to a spirit. [[Recap/SupernaturalS04E16OnTheHeadOfAPin Doing his best]] to kill Sam and Dean, he brutally beats then attempts to banish Castiel, before finally being killed by Sam. Living only to cause others suffering and [[{{Sadist}} enjoying every single moment of it]], Alastair , despite his relatively low body count, is one of the worst demons in the series.
9th Jul '17 3:22:11 PM ACW
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** [[DemonLordsAndArchdevils Alastair]], from season 4, is described by Ruby as Hell's "[[TortureTechnician Grand Inquisitor...Picasso with a razor]]." [[TheDreaded Feared by demons well beyond Angels]], he is responsible for supervising the [[ColdBloodedTorture torture]] of all of Hell's newly-arrived souls, corrupting them into demons. Having already tortured John Winchester for a hundred years, when Dean arrives in Hell, Alastair tortures him every day, [[ImpaledWithExtremePrejudice impaling him with hooks and chains]], [[FlayedAlive flaying]] and dismembering his entire body-- which no matter the damage would then heal the next day so he could start again- for thirty years. Each day he offers to stop if Dean will [[DealWithTheDevil accept his offer]] and torment other souls on Alastair's behalf. Unbeknownst to Dean when he finally breaks, by doing so he broke one of the seals imprisoning Lucifer, a fact that Alastair [[MindRape psychologically tortures]] Dean with during their subsequent encounters. [[Recap/SupernaturalS04E09IKnowWhatYouDidLastSummer During]] the SupernaturalS04E10HeavenAndHell hunt]] for Anna Milton, Alastair [[SlashedThroat slits her parents' throats]]. When Ruby approaches him offering to give him Anna in exchange for sparing her, Sam and Dean, Alastair instead captures Ruby and brutally vivisects her with her own knife, before [[NoHoldsBarredBeatdown beating Castiel senseless]], which Cas only survives because Alastair isn't powerful enough to kill an angel). He also scrambles Dean's organs when he tries to save Cas. To break another seal he murders a Reaper and attempts to murder Tessa [[Recap/SupernaturalS04E15DeathTakesAHoliday later in the series]], pausing only to demonstrate to the brothers just how painful rock salt is to a spirit. [[Recap/SupernaturalS04E16OnTheHeadOfAPin Doing his best]] to kill Sam and Dean, he brutally beats then attempts to banish Castiel, before finally being killed by Sam. Living only to cause others suffering and [[{{Sadist}} enjoying every single moment of it]], Alastair , despite his relatively low body count, is one of the worst demons in the series.

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** [[DemonLordsAndArchdevils Alastair]], from season 4, is described by Ruby as Hell's "[[TortureTechnician Grand Inquisitor...Picasso with a razor]]." [[TheDreaded Feared by demons well beyond Angels]], he is responsible for supervising the [[ColdBloodedTorture torture]] of all of Hell's newly-arrived souls, corrupting them into demons. Having already tortured John Winchester for a hundred years, when Dean arrives in Hell, Alastair tortures him every day, [[ImpaledWithExtremePrejudice impaling him with hooks and chains]], [[FlayedAlive flaying]] and dismembering his entire body-- which no matter the damage would then heal the next day so he could start again- for thirty years. Each day he offers to stop if Dean will [[DealWithTheDevil accept his offer]] and torment other souls on Alastair's behalf. Unbeknownst to Dean when he finally breaks, by doing so he broke one of the seals imprisoning Lucifer, a fact that Alastair [[MindRape psychologically tortures]] Dean with during their subsequent encounters. [[Recap/SupernaturalS04E09IKnowWhatYouDidLastSummer During]] the SupernaturalS04E10HeavenAndHell [[SupernaturalS04E10HeavenAndHell hunt]] for Anna Milton, Alastair [[SlashedThroat slits her parents' throats]]. When Ruby approaches him offering to give him Anna in exchange for sparing her, Sam and Dean, Alastair instead captures Ruby and brutally vivisects her with her own knife, before [[NoHoldsBarredBeatdown beating Castiel senseless]], which Cas only survives because Alastair isn't powerful enough to kill an angel). He also scrambles Dean's organs when he tries to save Cas. To break another seal he murders a Reaper and attempts to murder Tessa [[Recap/SupernaturalS04E15DeathTakesAHoliday later in the series]], pausing only to demonstrate to the brothers just how painful rock salt is to a spirit. [[Recap/SupernaturalS04E16OnTheHeadOfAPin Doing his best]] to kill Sam and Dean, he brutally beats then attempts to banish Castiel, before finally being killed by Sam. Living only to cause others suffering and [[{{Sadist}} enjoying every single moment of it]], Alastair , despite his relatively low body count, is one of the worst demons in the series.
9th Jul '17 1:02:40 PM ACW
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* [[MonsterOfTheWeek Whitman Van Ness]], from season 7's "[[Recap/SupernaturalS07E19OfGraveImportance Of Grave Importance]]", was a former rich man turned SerialKiller in the early 1900s. He [[SlashedThroat slit the necks]] of numerous [[DisposableSexWorker prostitutes]] who worked in his manor house, climaxing with the murder of his own fiancé and [[FrameUp framing]] the caretaker Dexter O'Connor for everything, leading to Dexter being shot by the authorities. Following his death, Whitman became [[OurGhostsAreDifferent a very powerful spirit]], and, to protect himself from the decay all ghosts suffer, began feeding off other spirits, effectively destroying them. Whitman spent decades killing countless people who came into his house, then used his powers to prevent their spirits from passing on; trapping his victims in constant terror of him [[AndIMustScream whilst they all slowly decay into rotting mindless abominations]] so he could stay strong. Whitman also [[{{Sadist}} takes amusement]] from their horrific fate and enjoys lording his power over them. In the present he murders two teenagers who hide in his house, and then murders Sam, Dean and Bobby's old friend [[HunterOfMonsters Annie Hawkins]]. A few nights later he murders two friends of the first pair of teenagers by crushing their hearts, adding all of them to his collection. When Dexter protested that he already had more than enough victims, Whitman drained him on the spot. Whitman's final act was to try and drain Bobby, before Sam and Dean burnt his bones.
9th Jul '17 12:59:48 PM ACW
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** Alastair, from season 4, is Hell's "[[TortureTechnician Grand Inquisitor]] downstairs", and is responsible for supervising the [[ColdBloodedTorture torture]] of newly-arrived souls. When Dean arrives in Hell, Alastair tortures him for thirty years, offering to stop if Dean will [[DealWithTheDevil accept his offer]] and torment other souls on Alastair's behalf. When Dean accepts, one of the seals imprisoning [[BigBad Lucifer]] is broken, a fact that Alastair frequently taunts Dean about during their subsequent encounters. During the hunt for Anna Milton, Alastair captures Ruby and begins cutting pieces away from her with her own knife, before trying to overpower and murder Castiel. He murders several Reapers later in the series, and does his best to kill Sam and Dean and banish Castiel, before being finally put out of commission. An utterly {{sadist}}ic [[TheBully bully]], Alastair is one of the worst demons in the series.

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** Alastair, [[DemonLordsAndArchdevils Alastair]], from season 4, is described by Ruby as Hell's "[[TortureTechnician Grand Inquisitor]] downstairs", and Inquisitor...Picasso with a razor]]." [[TheDreaded Feared by demons well beyond Angels]], he is responsible for supervising the [[ColdBloodedTorture torture]] of all of Hell's newly-arrived souls. When souls, corrupting them into demons. Having already tortured John Winchester for a hundred years, when Dean arrives in Hell, Alastair tortures him every day, [[ImpaledWithExtremePrejudice impaling him with hooks and chains]], [[FlayedAlive flaying]] and dismembering his entire body-- which no matter the damage would then heal the next day so he could start again- for thirty years, offering years. Each day he offers to stop if Dean will [[DealWithTheDevil accept his offer]] and torment other souls on Alastair's behalf. When Unbeknownst to Dean accepts, when he finally breaks, by doing so he broke one of the seals imprisoning [[BigBad Lucifer]] is broken, Lucifer, a fact that Alastair frequently taunts [[MindRape psychologically tortures]] Dean about with during their subsequent encounters. During [[Recap/SupernaturalS04E09IKnowWhatYouDidLastSummer During]] the hunt SupernaturalS04E10HeavenAndHell hunt]] for Anna Milton, Alastair [[SlashedThroat slits her parents' throats]]. When Ruby approaches him offering to give him Anna in exchange for sparing her, Sam and Dean, Alastair instead captures Ruby and begins cutting pieces away from brutally vivisects her with her own knife, before trying [[NoHoldsBarredBeatdown beating Castiel senseless]], which Cas only survives because Alastair isn't powerful enough to overpower and murder Castiel. kill an angel). He also scrambles Dean's organs when he tries to save Cas. To break another seal he murders several Reapers a Reaper and attempts to murder Tessa [[Recap/SupernaturalS04E15DeathTakesAHoliday later in the series, and does series]], pausing only to demonstrate to the brothers just how painful rock salt is to a spirit. [[Recap/SupernaturalS04E16OnTheHeadOfAPin Doing his best best]] to kill Sam and Dean and Dean, he brutally beats then attempts to banish Castiel, before being finally put out being killed by Sam. Living only to cause others suffering and [[{{Sadist}} enjoying every single moment of commission. An utterly {{sadist}}ic [[TheBully bully]], it]], Alastair , despite his relatively low body count, is one of the worst demons in the series.
2nd Jul '17 8:40:39 AM ACW
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** Lilith, from seasons 2 through 5, is the oldest demon in existence, and one of the worst. She massacres a police station, killing everyone that Sam and Dean had just finished saving, uses her position as [[spoiler:the holder of [[{{Jerkass}} Bela]]'s [[DealWithTheDevil contract]]]] to try and force her to kill Sam, and keeps a personal chef on hand to prepare [[EatsBabies human infants]] for her to eat. Lilith also has a thing for [[DemonicPossession possessing]] [[EnfanteTerrible little girls]], destroying their families from the inside out for her own personal amusement. In the season 3 finale, she holds a family hostage, killing the grandfather for making her mad, and has Dean dragged off to Hell, laughing the entire time. Reappearing in season 4, Lilith reveals that her current plan is to free [[{{Satan}} Lucifer]], bringing about TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt. When she discovers that [[spoiler:freeing Lucifer will ensure her death]], she tries to back out, offering to put off the apocalypse if Sam and Dean will let her kill them. Defeated by Sam in the season 4 finale, [[spoiler:Lilith [[SuicideByCop goads him into finishing her]], knowing that her death will result in the [[KillAllHumans deaths of all humanity]]]].

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** Lilith, from seasons 2 through 5, 3 and 4, is the oldest demon in existence, and one of the worst. She massacres a police station, killing everyone that Sam and Dean had just finished saving, uses her position as [[spoiler:the holder of [[{{Jerkass}} Bela]]'s [[DealWithTheDevil contract]]]] to try and force her to kill Sam, and keeps a personal chef on hand to prepare [[EatsBabies human infants]] for her to eat. Lilith also has a thing for [[DemonicPossession possessing]] [[EnfanteTerrible little girls]], destroying their families from the inside out for her own personal amusement. In the season 3 finale, she holds a family hostage, killing the grandfather for making her mad, and has Dean dragged off to Hell, laughing the entire time. Reappearing in season 4, Lilith reveals that her current plan is to free [[{{Satan}} Lucifer]], bringing about TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt. When she discovers that [[spoiler:freeing Lucifer will ensure her death]], she tries to back out, offering to put off the apocalypse if Sam and Dean will let her kill them. Defeated by Sam in the season 4 finale, [[spoiler:Lilith [[SuicideByCop goads him into finishing her]], knowing that her death will result in the [[KillAllHumans deaths of all humanity]]]].
2nd Jul '17 2:35:22 AM SunriseWarrior
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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: Can sometimes fall victim to this, especially in later seasons. Virtually every character who isn't Sam, Dean or Castiel inevitably winds up dying horribly, the "heroes" often behave in ways that are just as morally reprehensible as the villains, the main characters' obvious mental health issues are never fully addressed or resolved and the brothers seem to be locked in a permanent cycle of lying to and keeping secrets from each other, all of which has lead many viewers to wonder why they should bother caring.

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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: Can sometimes fall victim to this, especially in later seasons. Virtually every character who isn't Sam, Dean or Castiel inevitably winds up dying horribly, the "heroes" often behave in ways that are just as morally reprehensible as the villains, the main characters' obvious mental health issues are never fully addressed or resolved resolved, and the brothers seem to be locked in a permanent cycle of lying to and keeping secrets from each other, all of which has lead many viewers to wonder why they should bother caring.
27th Jun '17 11:15:46 PM SunriseWarrior
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** This innocuous exchange in season 8 in light of season 10 where [[spoiler: Crowley's mother casts a mortal curse on Castiel.]].

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** This innocuous exchange in season 8 in light of season 10 where [[spoiler: Crowley's mother casts a mortal curse on Castiel.]].Castiel]].



** For specific eras, Jeremy Carver's turn as showrunner seems to have accomplished this around the time the "Men of Letters" subplot was introduced in Season 8, after a spotty first half that left fans feeling that the SeasonalRot that had really set in during the previous year was just continuing on.

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** For specific eras, Jeremy Carver's turn as showrunner seems to have accomplished this around the time the "Men of Letters" subplot was introduced in Season 8, after a spotty first half that which left fans feeling that the SeasonalRot that had really set in during the previous year was just continuing on.
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