History YMMV / StarTrekVTheFinalFrontier

7th May '18 2:39:02 PM philipnova798
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** Ironically, the Rock Monsters that were originally going to be chasing Kirk rather than the disembodied head of not-God were tossed out because the one suit they made looked "like crap," according to many. [[http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/202840/no_love_for_the_star_trek_v_rockman.html Seen here]], we can see that they actually looked far better than the effects in the damned movie.

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** Ironically, the Rock Monsters that were originally going to be chasing Kirk rather than the disembodied head of not-God were tossed out because the one suit they made looked "like crap," according to many. [[http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/202840/no_love_for_the_star_trek_v_rockman.html Seen here]], we can see that they actually looked far better than the effects in the damned movie.movie in comparison.
12th Apr '18 2:46:16 AM jameygamer
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*** They look pretty decent standing posed for still photography, but that's still different than looking good in motion and intended to be watched on the big screen. Also there were apparently worries about the wearers' safety, since the suits were designed to emit smoke but the device to do so kept malfunctioning.
10th Apr '18 10:21:09 AM Gosicrystal
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** That probably had more to do with the fact that Gene Roddenberry himself proposed a script where the Enterprise crew meets God for every single movie and was always shut down. So in this case it probably was more about hurt feelings than anything else.



* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: There are a few.

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* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: There are a few.BigLippedAlligatorMoment:



** Kirk tells [=McCoy=] and Spock "I've always known I'll die alone." It was originally harsher after ''Film/StarTrekGenerations'', in which Kirk died without either one around; but it's ''heartbreaking'' now that Creator/WilliamShatner has outlived both Creator/DeForestKelley and Creator/LeonardNimoy.
** And then, in ''Film/StarTrekBeyond'', [[spoiler:[[TheCharacterDiedWithHim it's revealed that Spock has died]], with the strong implication that he was the last surviving TOS crewmember.]]

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** Kirk tells [=McCoy=] and Spock "I've always known I'll die alone." It was originally harsher after ''Film/StarTrekGenerations'', in which Kirk died without either one around; but it's ''heartbreaking'' now that Creator/WilliamShatner has outlived both Creator/DeForestKelley and Creator/LeonardNimoy.
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Creator/LeonardNimoy. And then, in ''Film/StarTrekBeyond'', [[spoiler:[[TheCharacterDiedWithHim it's [[spoiler:it's revealed that Spock has died]], died, with the strong implication that he was the last surviving TOS crewmember.]]



* HoYay: "Please, Captain. Not in front of the Klingons."
-->Q: Who hates Klingons with a fiery passion?
-->A: Every YaoiFangirl ever.

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* HoYay: HoYay:
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"Please, Captain. Not in front of the Klingons."
-->Q: --->Q: Who hates Klingons with a fiery passion?
-->A: --->A: Every YaoiFangirl ever.



* IdiotPlot: Most of the movie, see PlotInducedStupidity.
* MemeticMutation: "What does God need with a starship?"

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* IdiotPlot: Most of the movie, see PlotInducedStupidity.
* MemeticMutation:
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"What does God need with a starship?"



* NeverLiveItDown: Sarek's disappointment in his "so human" son from the moment of his birth, despite Spock looking just as Vulcan as you could want. Though for a good contingent of fans it's just one more piece of crappy writing better left forgotten.
** Not to mention it's just bone-headed for Sarek to be disappointed his son is "so human" considering SPOCK'S MOTHER IS HUMAN. AND HE KNEW THIS. Freaking duh he's human!

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* NeverLiveItDown: Sarek's disappointment in his "so human" son from the moment of his birth, despite Spock looking just as Vulcan as you could want. Though for a good contingent of fans it's just one more piece of crappy writing better left forgotten.\n** Not to mention it's just bone-headed for Sarek to be disappointed his son is "so human" considering SPOCK'S MOTHER IS HUMAN. AND HE KNEW THIS. Freaking duh he's human!



** As mentioned, ILM was busy (this was the summer of ''Film/IndianaJonesAndTheLastCrusade'', ''Film/GhostbustersII'' and the pseudopod in ''Film/TheAbyss''). Shatner sought out another special effects creator who showed [[http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Associates_and_Ferren a few amazing demonstrations in person]], and then delivered ''complete and utter crap'', to the point that it necessitated further emergency script rewrites to accommodate how completely unusable the shots were.

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** As mentioned, ILM was busy (this was the summer of ''Film/IndianaJonesAndTheLastCrusade'', ''Film/GhostbustersII'' and the pseudopod in ''Film/TheAbyss''). Shatner sought out another special effects creator who showed [[http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Associates_and_Ferren a few amazing demonstrations in person]], and then delivered ''complete and utter crap'', to the point that it necessitated further emergency script rewrites to accommodate how completely unusable the shots were.



** On the topic of the Enterprise, the model representing it was vandalized during the film's production by employees of Universal Studios Florida.
*** Basically, the fact that Bran Ferren (the man behind the effects) has never been allowed near another movie to this day (he currently works for Creator/{{Disney}} Imagineering) says it all.

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** On the topic of the Enterprise, the model representing it was vandalized during the film's production by employees of Universal Studios Florida.
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Florida. Basically, the fact that Bran Ferren (the man behind the effects) has never been allowed near another movie to this day (he currently works for Creator/{{Disney}} Imagineering) says it all.



** Also Creator/DeForestKelley. Despite the film's generally hokey story and writing, a sizable contingent of fans consider this one of his best performances as Bones.

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** Also Creator/DeForestKelley. Despite the film's generally hokey story and writing, a sizable contingent of fans consider this one of his best performances as Bones.
30th Mar '18 10:26:18 AM OlfinBedwere
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: The Nimbus III parts ''could'' have been amazing. Desert planet filled with rogues and criminals? It easily could have been ''Star Trek'''s [[Franchise/StarWars Tatooine]] but alas the Shat happened.
** For comparison: Nimbus was revisited recently in ''VideoGame/StarTrekOnline'' for a 5 episode arc which gave it a ''VideoGame/FalloutNewVegas'' feel (a mix of SpaceWestern and {{Steampunk}}) for a good story. Imagine if this movie had Kirk in a SpaceWestern setting?

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot:
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The Nimbus III parts ''could'' have been amazing. Desert planet filled with rogues and criminals? It easily could have been ''Star Trek'''s [[Franchise/StarWars Tatooine]] but alas the Shat happened.
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happened. For comparison: comparison, Nimbus was revisited recently in ''VideoGame/StarTrekOnline'' for a 5 episode arc which gave it a ''VideoGame/FalloutNewVegas'' feel (a mix of SpaceWestern and {{Steampunk}}) for a good story. Imagine if this movie had Kirk in a SpaceWestern setting?setting?
** You'd think that with Sybok's powers to show people their deepest pains and release them, it'd be a good opportunity to show more of the backstory of the main characters, right? Unfortunately, that only ends up being the case for [=McCoy=]. Sybok doesn't get to use his powers on Kirk or Scotty at all, Spock's pain is something we already knew, and the EpiphanyTherapy for Chekov, Sulu and Uhura happens off-screen.
11th Mar '18 9:45:48 AM Klopfer
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** That probably had more to do with the fact that Gene Roddenberry himself proposed a script where the Enterprise crew meets God for every single movie and was always shut down. So in this case it probably was more about hurt feelings than anything else.
20th Jan '18 5:09:34 AM AnotherGuy
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* RetroactiveRecognition: By far the best remembered acting role by Lawrence Luckinbill, who's now far better known for being the uncle of Creator/TheWachowskis.

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* RetroactiveRecognition: By far the best remembered acting role by Lawrence Luckinbill, who's now far better known for being the uncle of Creator/TheWachowskis.Creator/TheWachowskis ([[Film/TheBoysInTheBand unless you're gay]].)
20th Jan '18 5:07:53 AM AnotherGuy
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* VindicatedByHistory: To a ''very'' slight degree. For about a decade or so after its release it tended to be up there with things like ''Film/HowardTheDuck'' and ''Film/BatmanAndRobin'' on "Worst Films of All-Time" lists, and wasn't much better regarded among ''Star Trek'' fans. Nowadays it tends to be regarded as just a mediocre sci-fi flick, with the likes of ''Film/BattlefieldEarth'' attracting more BileFascination from casual viewers, and ''Trek'' fans turning their ire toward ''Film/StarTrekNemesis'', ''Film/StarTrekInsurrection'', or ''Film/StarTrekIntoDarkness'' instead. It has a few heartwarming character moments that elevate it slightly as well.

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* VindicatedByHistory: To a ''very'' slight degree. For about a decade or so after its release it tended to be up there with things like ''Film/HowardTheDuck'' and ''Film/BatmanAndRobin'' on "Worst Films of All-Time" lists, and wasn't much better regarded among ''Star Trek'' fans. Nowadays it tends to be regarded as just a mediocre sci-fi flick, flick (or a good two hour television episode), with the likes of ''Film/BattlefieldEarth'' attracting more BileFascination from casual viewers, and ''Trek'' fans turning their ire toward ''Film/StarTrekNemesis'', ''Film/StarTrekInsurrection'', or ''Film/StarTrekIntoDarkness'' instead. It has a few heartwarming character moments that elevate it slightly as well.
4th Jan '18 11:12:50 AM TheTrailblazerCritic
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** The ''entire movie'' could count as this to the franchise, as the "Search for God" plot is almost never referred to again after the fact.
20th Dec '17 9:12:11 AM OlfinBedwere
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* TheProblemWithLicensedGames: UsefulNotes/NintendoEntertainmentSystem games based on movies have never had the best of reputations anyway, but it takes a special kind of bad for Paramount to have refused to release the game ''at all'', even if only a limited run to recoup some of the development costs.
29th Oct '17 2:23:39 PM SecretStrategist
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* AudienceAlienatingPremise: The ''Enterprise'' crew meeting God [[spoiler:or what seemed to be]], to such a degree that Creator/GeneRoddenberry himself tried to talk Shatner of making it.

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* AudienceAlienatingPremise: The ''Enterprise'' crew meeting God [[spoiler:or what seemed to be]], to such a degree that Creator/GeneRoddenberry himself had tried to talk Shatner to Creator/WilliamShatner in the hopes of making convincing him not to go through with it.



** When "God" chases Kirk near the end, it wails out "Yyyyyyyyyyooooooooooooooouuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu!" It's supposed to be haunting and scary, but sounds like an elderly ghost from Franchise/ScoobyDoo trying to scare someone, and failing miserably.

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** When "God" chases Kirk near the end, it wails out "Yyyyyyyyyyooooooooooooooouuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu!" It's supposed to be haunting and scary, but sounds like an elderly ghost from Franchise/ScoobyDoo ''Franchise/ScoobyDoo'' trying to scare someone, and failing miserably.



* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: The Nimbus III parts ''could'' have been amazing. Desert planet filled with rogues and criminals? It easily could have been Star Trek's [[Franchise/StarWars Tatooine]] but alas the Shat happened.

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: The Nimbus III parts ''could'' have been amazing. Desert planet filled with rogues and criminals? It easily could have been Star Trek's ''Star Trek'''s [[Franchise/StarWars Tatooine]] but alas the Shat happened.
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