History YMMV / StarTrekVTheFinalFrontier

13th Jun '17 3:08:43 PM KingClark
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* SoBadItsGood: Even WebVideo/TheNostalgiaCritic considers this better than ''Film/StarTrekInsurrection''.
--> '''Critic''': At times, it can have some good moments, even some good character development..."

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* SoBadItsGood: Even WebVideo/TheNostalgiaCritic considers this better Some consider it to be more enjoyable than ''Film/StarTrekInsurrection''.
--> '''Critic''': At times, it can have some good moments, even some good character development..."
''Film/StarTrekInsurrection'', but for all of the wrong reasons.
13th Jun '17 3:07:22 PM KingClark
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* ContestedSequel: It won a UsefulNotes/GoldenRaspberryAward, is widely considered the shining example of the StarTrekMovieCurse and at the very least the worst movie with the original Enterprise crew, with some going so far as to consider it the worst ''Star Trek'' movie overall, or even one of the worst films of all-time. But has some defenders (see VindicatedByHistory)

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* ContestedSequel: It won a UsefulNotes/GoldenRaspberryAward, is widely considered the shining example of the StarTrekMovieCurse and at the very least the worst movie with the original Enterprise crew, with some going so far as to consider it the worst ''Star Trek'' movie overall, or even one of the worst films of all-time. But has some defenders (see VindicatedByHistory)VindicatedByHistory).



7th Mar '17 5:18:06 PM CumbersomeTercel
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* CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming: Kirk: "I thought I was going to die." Spock: "Not possible. You were never alone."
* FridgeBrilliance: A possible reason for the numerous problems the almost mint-condition ''Enterprise''-A is having in this movie? It was in Spacedock during the Probe's sojourn to Earth.
** Alternatively, [[WordOfGod Roddenberry suggested]] it's problems were because it was actually the ''Yorktown'', having been renamed and rushed back into service after the loss of the ''Enterprise'', hence why it comes across as a second-hand ship.
** If Scotty knows the ship "like the back of his hand", why does he end up smacking his head on an overhanging bulkhead? Because he was likely thinking of the ''Enterprise'', not the ''Enterprise-A''. Furthermore, it's likely that not all ''Constitution-class'' vessels were refit in ''exactly'' the same way, particularly if this ship was originally the ''Yorktown''.
** It's never outright stated, but as noted below and elsewhere, it's a safe bet that Kirk's greatest pain is the death of his son.
* FridgeLogic: Why ''can't'' you use the brig toilet while in spacedock? [[http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/File:Brig_toilet_warning.jpg See the sign for yourself!]]
** Obviously, for whatever reason, once it's flushed and resealed the waste is vented right into space. Which, when in spacedock, would mean probably splattering some poor maintenance worker's windshield.
** The same reason you can't use train toilets in the station. Anywhere else on the Enterprise they probably just use the transporter...
7th Mar '17 5:11:18 PM CumbersomeTercel
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** Nichelle Nichols' cover of Hiroshima's "[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvTwqcGZhAE The Moon's a Window to Heaven]]" is very good, too. [[FanDisservice The fan dance, not so much.]]

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** Nichelle Nichols' Creator/NichelleNichols' cover of Hiroshima's "[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvTwqcGZhAE The Moon's a Window to Heaven]]" is very good, too. [[FanDisservice The fan dance, not so much.]]



* FunnyAneurysmMoment: It's a bit uncomfortable in retrospect watching the scene in which Scotty hits his head on the bulkhead (after saying "I know this ship like the back of me hand!") knowing that James Doohan developed Alzheimer's disease towards the end of his life.
* HarsherInHindsight: Kirk tells [=McCoy=] and Spock "I've always known I'll die alone." It was originally harsher after ''Film/StarTrekGenerations'', in which Kirk died without either one around; but it's ''heartbreaking'' now that Creator/WilliamShatner has outlived both Creator/DeForestKelley and Creator/LeonardNimoy.

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* FunnyAneurysmMoment: It's a bit uncomfortable in retrospect watching the scene in which Scotty hits his head on the bulkhead (after saying "I know this ship like the back of me hand!") knowing that James Doohan Creator/JamesDoohan developed Alzheimer's disease towards the end of his life.
* HarsherInHindsight: HarsherInHindsight:
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Kirk tells [=McCoy=] and Spock "I've always known I'll die alone." It was originally harsher after ''Film/StarTrekGenerations'', in which Kirk died without either one around; but it's ''heartbreaking'' now that Creator/WilliamShatner has outlived both Creator/DeForestKelley and Creator/LeonardNimoy.



** Sulu and Chekov have a few "old married couple" moments such as when they're lost in the woods in the opening. Which is even funnier after George Takei came out in real life years later.

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** Sulu and Chekov have a few "old married couple" moments such as when they're lost in the woods in the opening. Which is even funnier after George Takei Creator/GeorgeTakei came out in real life years later.



* RetroactiveRecognition: By far the best remembered acting role by Lawrence Luckinbill, who's now far better known for being the uncle of the Wachowskis.

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* RetroactiveRecognition: By far the best remembered acting role by Lawrence Luckinbill, who's now far better known for being the uncle of the Wachowskis.Creator/TheWachowskis.



* SoBadItsGood: Even TheNostalgiaCritic considers this better than ''Film/StarTrekInsurrection''.

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* SoBadItsGood: Even TheNostalgiaCritic WebVideo/TheNostalgiaCritic considers this better than ''Film/StarTrekInsurrection''.



* SpecialEffectFailure: Nearly every damn special effect in the movie. The phaser and transporter effects (handled by the same team that produced the corresponding effects on ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'') are decent, as is the StockFootage of the Klingon Bird-of-Prey from the two previous films, but most of the effects would be barely passable for a movie made in the ''1950s'', never mind 1989.

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* SpecialEffectFailure: SpecialEffectFailure:
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Nearly every damn special effect in the movie. The phaser and transporter effects (handled by the same team that produced the corresponding effects on ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'') are decent, as is the StockFootage of the Klingon Bird-of-Prey from the two previous films, but most of the effects would be barely passable for a movie made in the ''1950s'', never mind 1989.
24th Feb '17 8:19:03 AM Anddrix
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** WebSite/SFDebris has pointed out that the movie becomes a lot better if you view it as a satire of Roddenberry's ideal "Communist sex utopia" future.
24th Jan '17 9:19:45 AM SorPepita
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** Nichelle Nichols' cover of Music/{{Hiroshima}}'s "[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvTwqcGZhAE The Moon's a Window to Heaven]]" is very good, too. [[FanDisservice The fan dance, not so much.]]

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** Nichelle Nichols' cover of Music/{{Hiroshima}}'s Hiroshima's "[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvTwqcGZhAE The Moon's a Window to Heaven]]" is very good, too. [[FanDisservice The fan dance, not so much.]]
9th Jan '17 9:16:10 PM AnotherGuy
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* CrowningMusicOfAwesome: Jerry Goldsmith, UsefulNotes/AcademyAward nominee for ''Film/StarTrekTheMotionPicture'', returns. Highlights include "The Mountain" and "A Busy Man".
3rd Jan '17 9:40:35 PM Pren
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* {{Narm}}: Spock's "pain."

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* {{Narm}}: {{Narm}}:
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Spock's "pain."


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** Kirk's speech about how he needs his pain, when you consider that it's actually Shatner writing a big speech for himself about how the central premise of his own story makes no sense.
3rd Jan '17 9:38:01 PM Pren
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* BizarroEpisode: The movie is a textbook example; the plot ignores many of the rules and conventions of the setting, the entire premise comes out of nowhere, it has no impact on the ongoing plot of the films which kicks back in for the next one, and the events are never mentioned again. Removing it from continuity entirely would have no effect on anything else in the franchise.

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* BizarroEpisode: The movie is a textbook example; the plot ignores many of the rules and conventions of the setting, the entire premise comes out of nowhere, it has no impact on the ongoing plot of the films which kicks back in for the next one, and the events are never mentioned again. Removing it from continuity entirely would have no effect on anything else in the franchise. It's been noted as feeling a lot like Shatner wrote his own original sci-fi story, then simply changed the names to ''Star Trek'' characters.
11th Dec '16 2:57:14 PM ImpudentInfidel
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* * BizarroEpisode: The movie is a textbook example; the plot ignores many of the rules and conventions of the setting, the entire premise comes out of nowhere, it has no impact on the ongoing plot of the films which kicks back in for the next one, and the events are never mentioned again. Removing it from continuity entirely would have no effect on anything else in the franchise.

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* * BizarroEpisode: The movie is a textbook example; the plot ignores many of the rules and conventions of the setting, the entire premise comes out of nowhere, it has no impact on the ongoing plot of the films which kicks back in for the next one, and the events are never mentioned again. Removing it from continuity entirely would have no effect on anything else in the franchise.
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