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9th May '16 9:31:43 AM CaptEquinox
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** There are several satirical [[http://fanlore.org/wiki/Star_Trek:_The_Lost_Episode_%28audiofic%29 "lost gay episode" audiotapes]] on this theme, using snippets from the show.



** "[[http://www.agonybooth.com/video1264_Star_Trek_TPring_What_Makes_a_Great_Villain_Part_1.aspx What makes a great villain? Part 1: Star Trek’s T’Pring]]", by Thomas Stockel describes T'Pring's actions as brilliant, self-affirming and in keeping with second wave feminism.



*** The Writer's Guide has her fourth in command (she originally wore gold, not red). She took the helm in "Court Martial" and says she was supposed to do so again in a third season episode, but Roddenberry prevented it. When she confronted him, he said "you can't have females taking over a man's ship."



** The show’s liberal politics are lauded, but its endorsement of Vietnam in A Private Little War and The Omega Glory is forgotten.

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** The show’s liberal politics are lauded, but its endorsement of Vietnam in A Private Little War and The Omega Glory is forgotten.regarded by fans as embarrassing, or even glossed over.



*** [[http://fanlore.org/wiki/Shatner:_Where_No_Man#Nimoy_and_Shatner In interviews for a book about Shatner, Nimoy confirmed]] that Roddenberry was indeed saying women can’t be captains, that they cannot do all that men do. "What Roddenberry set out to prove was that this lady, given command of the ship, would ''blow it''." He had voiced repeated objections to this during production.

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*** [[http://fanlore.org/wiki/Shatner:_Where_No_Man#Nimoy_and_Shatner In interviews for a book about Shatner, Nimoy confirmed]] that Roddenberry was indeed saying Starfleet didn't allow women can’t be captains, that they cannot do all that men do. "What Roddenberry set out to prove was that this lady, given command of the ship, would ''blow it''." He had voiced repeated objections to this during production.



** In "The Corbomite Maneuver", Bones needles the svelt Captain Kirk over having put on a few pounds. In more recent years, William Shatner has been having issues with his spare tire.

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** In "The Corbomite Maneuver", Bones needles the svelt svelte Captain Kirk over having put on a few pounds. Shatner had issues with his weight all the way through the series and was constantly exercising. In more recent years, William Shatner has been having issues with his spare tire.serious weight problems.



*** On a 1960s television set, it did look like a different person. Digitally cleaned up visuals and high definition have not served this show well at all.



** Kirk's reputation as a careless manwhore. He did sleep around a lot, but if he wasn't being a male FemmeFatale, amnesiac, or mind-controlled, it was a sincerely felt attraction that failed because of the woman's death or his "marriage" to ''Enterprise''.

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** Kirk's reputation as a careless manwhore. [[{{Pornomancer}} manwhore]]. He did sleep around a lot, but if in several cases (where he wasn't being a male FemmeFatale, amnesiac, or mind-controlled, it was a mind-controlled), he experienced sincerely felt attraction that failed only because of the woman's death or his "marriage" to ''Enterprise''. duties.



** Themes: Ron Moore is a fan of "Conscience of a King", particularly the way Kirk wavers between his ethics and thirst for vengeance ("There's a stain of cruelty on your shining armor, Captain"). "The brooding tone and the morally ambiguous nature of the drama fascinated me and definitely influenced my thinking as to [[Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine what Trek could and should be all about.]]" Likewise, in his re-imagined version ''[[Series/BattlestarGalactica2003 Battlestar Galactica]]'', Moore named the prison barge ''Astral Queen'' after the ship commanded in this episode by Cpn. Daily.

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** Themes: Ron Moore is a fan of "Conscience of a the King", particularly the way Kirk wavers between his ethics and thirst for vengeance ("There's a stain of cruelty on your shining armor, Captain"). "The brooding tone and the morally ambiguous nature of the drama fascinated me and definitely influenced my thinking as to [[Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine what Trek could and should be all about.]]" Likewise, in his re-imagined version ''[[Series/BattlestarGalactica2003 Battlestar Galactica]]'', Moore named the prison barge ''Astral Queen'' after the ship commanded in this episode by Cpn. Daily.



### Doctor Richard Daystrom (yes, '''that''' Daystrom), whose duotronic breakthrough won him the Nobel and Zee-Magnes prizes, had his engrams put into his computer...which quickly loses it and starts killing people...followed by Daystrom himself quickly losing it and stating "[[AC:We're invincible. Look what we've done. Your mighty starships, Four toys to be crushed as we choose]]" followed by Spock shutting him up with a Vulcan neck pinch.
### Captain Garth of Izar, whose exploits were required reading, has totally lost it and compares himself to Alexander, Caesar, Napoleon, Hitler, [[FamousFamousFictional Lee Kuan, and Krotus!]] (Those last two were would-be conquerors.)

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### Doctor Richard Daystrom (yes, '''that''' Daystrom), the SteveJobs of the 23rd century, whose duotronic breakthrough won him the Nobel and Zee-Magnes prizes, had his engrams put into his computer...which quickly loses it and starts killing people...followed by Daystrom himself quickly losing it and stating "[[AC:We're invincible. Look what we've done. Your mighty starships, Four toys to be crushed as we choose]]" followed by Spock shutting him up with a Vulcan neck pinch.
### Captain Garth of Izar, whose exploits were required reading, has totally lost it and compares himself to Alexander, Caesar, Napoleon, Hitler, [[FamousFamousFictional Lee Kuan, and Krotus!]] (Those last two were would-be made-up conquerors.)



* RelationshipWritingFumble: If Kirk and Spock weren't intended to be in love with each other from day one, ''Franchise/StarTrek'' is guilty of quite possibly the greatest RWF in television history.

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* RelationshipWritingFumble: If Kirk and Spock weren't intended to be in love with each other from day one, [[note]]They weren't.[[/note]] ''Franchise/StarTrek'' is guilty of quite possibly the greatest RWF in television history.[[note]]It is.[[/note]]
9th May '16 8:36:33 AM CaptEquinox
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*** Robert Justman and Herb Solow have revealed that the "for a woman" business, the almost-nude alien babes and microskirted female crewmembers as sex toys was all Roddenberry.[[note]]Third season producer Fred Freiberger was no slouch in the sexism department either; several female writers recall him summarizing the show as "tits in space."[[/note]] He saw women as brainless, decorative objects and (according to Word of Nimoy) believed that all women were "cunts" who could not be trusted and [[Recap/StarTrekS3E24TurnaboutIntruder should never be allowed to run things]]. The more progressive elements of the show came from Gene Coon, Justman and Dorothy Fontana.

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*** Robert Justman and Herb Solow have revealed that the "for a woman" business, the almost-nude alien babes and microskirted female crewmembers as sex toys was all Roddenberry.[[note]]Third season producer Fred Freiberger was no slouch in the sexism department either; several female writers recall him summarizing the show as "tits in space."[[/note]] He saw women as brainless, decorative objects and (according to Word of Nimoy) believed that all women were "cunts" who could not be trusted trusted[[note]]Nimoy put some of this down to Gene's bitter divorce and bad track record with women in general.[[/note]] and [[Recap/StarTrekS3E24TurnaboutIntruder should never be allowed to run things]]. The more progressive elements of the show came from Gene Coon, Justman and Dorothy Fontana.



** Even when she primarily served as TheChick, casting a ''[[HumansAreWhite black]]'' woman in the role was a huge deal in the 1960s. (A black woman who sat at ''rear center stage'', right behind the Captain's seat where viewers could not possibly miss seeing her. Holy diversity, Batman!) And novels written as early as the '70s indicate that Uhura was far more than a glorified switchboard operator--she is in fact a linguistic genius who can leave Kirk's head spinning with language theory. Even in the episodes, there are occasional hints of her mechanical abilities implying that she can take apart and fix the communications equipment as well as operate it. Also, Uhura was technically fifth in command of the ''Enterprise'' (and did take command for at least one episode of the animated series) meaning that out of the ''entire crew'' only Kirk, Spock, Scotty, or Sulu could override her decisions (although in one episode MauveShirt [=DeSalle=] takes command ahead of her).

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** Having a woman officer stationed on the bridge, in an important position on a spacegoing vessel, was ''extremely'' radical for the time. Even when she primarily served as TheChick, casting a ''[[HumansAreWhite black]]'' woman in the role was a huge deal in the 1960s. (A black woman who sat at ''rear center stage'', right behind the Captain's seat where viewers could not possibly miss seeing her. Holy diversity, Batman!) And novels written as early as the '70s indicate that Uhura was far more than a glorified switchboard operator--she is in fact a linguistic genius who can leave Kirk's head spinning with language theory. Even in the episodes, there are occasional hints of her mechanical abilities implying that she can take apart and fix the communications equipment as well as operate it. Also, Uhura was technically fifth in command of the ''Enterprise'' (and did take command for at least one episode of the animated series) meaning that out of the ''entire crew'' only Kirk, Spock, Scotty, or Sulu could override her decisions (although in one episode MauveShirt [=DeSalle=] takes command ahead of her).



* MyRealDaddy: Gene Roddenberry was responsible for the series as a whole, but one of his producers/writers, Gene Coon, had a great deal to do with making the show great with classic ideas like the Klingons, the Prime Directive, Khan Noonien Singh and being the series' showrunner in the first two seasons who helped many of the stories used better.

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* MyRealDaddy: Gene Roddenberry was responsible for the series as a whole, but one of his producers/writers, Gene Coon, had a great deal to do with making the show great with classic ideas like the Klingons, the Prime Directive, Khan Noonien Singh and being the series' showrunner in the first two seasons who helped many of the stories used better. He was also one of the ''real'' progressives among the writer-producers.
1st May '16 2:10:32 AM CaptEquinox
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** It's definitely a series that needs to be viewed with an understanding of the historical context. Like, if Kirk [[{{Pornomancer}} snapped his fingers and had a yeoman sit on his face]] it wouldn't be that shocking.[[note]]Roddenberry wanted the show to have that ambiance, Kirk as his AuthorAvatar could [[{{Casanova}} have any woman he desired]].[[/note]] Not just in the way that every female member of the crew [[MaleGaze goes around in those miniskirts and is being sexually harassed all the time]], but also the lighthearted "aw shucks" tone with which the show addresses it. There are so many moments when a female crewmen is complimented, followed by: "...for a ''[[BaitAndSwitchComment woman]]''".

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** It's definitely a series that needs to be viewed with an understanding of the historical context. Like, if Kirk [[{{Pornomancer}} snapped his fingers and had a yeoman sit on his face]] it wouldn't be that shocking.[[note]]Roddenberry wanted the show to have that ambiance, Kirk as his AuthorAvatar could [[{{Casanova}} have any woman woman]] [[BoldlyComing he desired]].[[/note]] Not just in the way that every female member of the crew [[MaleGaze goes around in those miniskirts and is being sexually harassed all the time]], plus the alien babes in their [[TheissTitillationTheory skimpy outfits]], but also the lighthearted "aw shucks" tone with which the show addresses it. There are so many moments when a female crewmen crewmember is complimented, followed by: "...for a ''[[BaitAndSwitchComment woman]]''".



*** Robert Justman and Herb Solow have revealed that the "for a woman" business, the alien babes in skimpy costumes and female crewmembers as sex toys was all Roddenberry.[[note]]Third season producer Fred Freiberger was no slouch in the sexism department either; several female writers recall him summarizing the show as "tits in space."[[/note]] He saw women as brainless, decorative objects and (according to Nimoy) believed that all women were "cunts" who could not be trusted and [[Recap/StarTrekS3E24TurnaboutIntruder should never be allowed to run things]]. The more progressive elements of the show came from Gene Coon, Justman and Dorothy Fontana.

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*** Robert Justman and Herb Solow have revealed that the "for a woman" business, the almost-nude alien babes in skimpy costumes and microskirted female crewmembers as sex toys was all Roddenberry.[[note]]Third season producer Fred Freiberger was no slouch in the sexism department either; several female writers recall him summarizing the show as "tits in space."[[/note]] He saw women as brainless, decorative objects and (according to Word of Nimoy) believed that all women were "cunts" who could not be trusted and [[Recap/StarTrekS3E24TurnaboutIntruder should never be allowed to run things]]. The more progressive elements of the show came from Gene Coon, Justman and Dorothy Fontana.
1st May '16 12:46:35 AM CaptEquinox
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*** Robert Justman and Herb Solow have revealed that the "for a woman" business, the alien babes in skimpy costumes and female crewmembers as sex toys was all Roddenberry. He saw women as brainless, decorative objects and (according to Nimoy) believed that all women were "cunts" who could not be trusted and [[Recap/StarTrekS3E24TurnaboutIntruder should never be allowed to run things]]. The more progressive elements of the show came from Gene Coon, Justman and Dorothy Fontana.

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*** Robert Justman and Herb Solow have revealed that the "for a woman" business, the alien babes in skimpy costumes and female crewmembers as sex toys was all Roddenberry. [[note]]Third season producer Fred Freiberger was no slouch in the sexism department either; several female writers recall him summarizing the show as "tits in space."[[/note]] He saw women as brainless, decorative objects and (according to Nimoy) believed that all women were "cunts" who could not be trusted and [[Recap/StarTrekS3E24TurnaboutIntruder should never be allowed to run things]]. The more progressive elements of the show came from Gene Coon, Justman and Dorothy Fontana.
1st May '16 12:44:45 AM CaptEquinox
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** As the show went on, the missions just kept getting weirder and weirder. Prime examples include looking for Spock's brain, a showdown at the O.K. Corral and encounters with hippies, Chicago Gangsters, Native Americans, a modern day Roman Empire, [[ThoseWackyNazis Nazis]], Abraham Lincoln and even the Greek god Apollo. Though most fans point to Roddenberry stepping out of day-to-day involvement at the start of Season 3, some fans believe that the show was already running out of steam in the latter third or so of Season 2, and point to the departure of Gene L. Coon midway through that season as when things started going wrong.

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** As the show went on, the missions just kept getting weirder and weirder. Prime examples include looking for Spock's brain, a showdown at the O.K. Corral and encounters with hippies, Chicago Gangsters, Native Americans, a modern day Roman Empire, [[ThoseWackyNazis Nazis]], Abraham Lincoln and even the Greek god Apollo. Though most fans point to Roddenberry stepping out of day-to-day involvement at the start of Season 3, plus massive budget cuts, some fans believe that the show was already running out of steam in the latter third or so of Season 2, and point to the departure of Gene L. Coon midway through that season as when things started going wrong.
30th Apr '16 3:45:42 PM CaptEquinox
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*** Robert Justman and Herb Solow have revealed that the "for a woman" business, the alien babes in skimpy costumes and female crewmembers as sex toys was all Roddenberry. He saw women as brainless, decorative objects and (according to Nimoy) believed that all women were "cunts" who could not be trusted and should never be allowed to run things. The more progressive elements of the show came from Gene Coon, Justman and Dorothy Fontana.

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*** Robert Justman and Herb Solow have revealed that the "for a woman" business, the alien babes in skimpy costumes and female crewmembers as sex toys was all Roddenberry. He saw women as brainless, decorative objects and (according to Nimoy) believed that all women were "cunts" who could not be trusted and [[Recap/StarTrekS3E24TurnaboutIntruder should never be allowed to run things.things]]. The more progressive elements of the show came from Gene Coon, Justman and Dorothy Fontana.
30th Apr '16 3:32:28 PM CaptEquinox
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** It's definitely a series that needs to be viewed with an understanding of the historical context. Like, if Kirk snapped his fingers and had a yeoman sit on his face it wouldn't be that shocking. Not just in the way that every female member of the crew goes around in those miniskirts and is being sexually harassed all the time, but also the lighthearted "aw shucks" tone with which the show addresses it. There are so many moments when a female crewmen is complimented, followed by: "...for a ''[[BaitAndSwitchComment woman]]''".

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** It's definitely a series that needs to be viewed with an understanding of the historical context. Like, if Kirk [[{{Pornomancer}} snapped his fingers and had a yeoman sit on his face face]] it wouldn't be that shocking. shocking.[[note]]Roddenberry wanted the show to have that ambiance, Kirk as his AuthorAvatar could [[{{Casanova}} have any woman he desired]].[[/note]] Not just in the way that every female member of the crew [[MaleGaze goes around in those miniskirts and is being sexually harassed all the time, time]], but also the lighthearted "aw shucks" tone with which the show addresses it. There are so many moments when a female crewmen is complimented, followed by: "...for a ''[[BaitAndSwitchComment woman]]''".
30th Apr '16 3:03:12 PM CaptEquinox
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*** Robert Justman and Herb Solow have revealed that the "for a woman" business, the alien babes in skimpy costumes and female crewmembers as sex toys was all Roddenberry. He saw women as brainless, decorative objects and (according to Nimoy) believed that all women were "cunts" who could not be trusted and should never be allowed to run things.

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*** Robert Justman and Herb Solow have revealed that the "for a woman" business, the alien babes in skimpy costumes and female crewmembers as sex toys was all Roddenberry. He saw women as brainless, decorative objects and (according to Nimoy) believed that all women were "cunts" who could not be trusted and should never be allowed to run things. The more progressive elements of the show came from Gene Coon, Justman and Dorothy Fontana.
30th Apr '16 8:58:39 AM CaptEquinox
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** Nimoy created much of Spock's backstory as a mixed-race person figuring out where and how he belongs. He [[http://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2015/02/27/389589676/leonard-nimoys-advice-to-a-biracial-girl-in-1968 responded publicly and at length]] to a mixed-race girl who wrote a letter to Spock talking about being outcast by both black and white peers.

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** Nimoy created much of Spock's backstory as a mixed-race person figuring out where and how he belongs. He [[http://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2015/02/27/389589676/leonard-nimoys-advice-to-a-biracial-girl-in-1968 [[https://www.buzzfeed.com/leonoraepstein/spocks-advice-to-a-teenage-girl-will-make-you-cry?utm_term=.cgmk0Xk8X#.xyvlZ5lM5 responded publicly and at length]] to a mixed-race girl who wrote a letter to Spock talking about being outcast by both black and white peers.



** It's definitely a series that needs to be viewed with an understanding of the historical context. Like, if Kirk snapped his fingers and had a yeoman sit on his face it wouldn't be that shocking. Not just in the way that every female member of the crew is practically nude and being sexually harassed all the time, but also the lighthearted "aw shucks" tone with which the show addresses it. There are so many moments when a female crewmen is complimented, followed by: "...for a ''[[BaitAndSwitchComment woman]]''".

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** It's definitely a series that needs to be viewed with an understanding of the historical context. Like, if Kirk snapped his fingers and had a yeoman sit on his face it wouldn't be that shocking. Not just in the way that every female member of the crew is practically nude goes around in those miniskirts and is being sexually harassed all the time, but also the lighthearted "aw shucks" tone with which the show addresses it. There are so many moments when a female crewmen is complimented, followed by: "...for a ''[[BaitAndSwitchComment woman]]''".



** Nothing so bad as James Bond [[{{Film/Goldfinger}} pimp-handing a lesbian so hard it turns her straight]], but it does occasionally cross the line: Rand being molested by Kirk and Spock [[LooksLikeSheIsEnjoyingIt telling her to enjoy it]] is particularly disarming, adding nothing to the scene. This is the one thing that really bleeds over from the 60s. The fact that this show was considered a beacon of progressiveness shows just how backwards things were back then.

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*** Robert Justman and Herb Solow have revealed that the "for a woman" business, the alien babes in skimpy costumes and female crewmembers as sex toys was all Roddenberry. He saw women as brainless, decorative objects and (according to Nimoy) believed that all women were "cunts" who could not be trusted and should never be allowed to run things.
** Nothing so bad as James Bond [[{{Film/Goldfinger}} pimp-handing a lesbian so hard it turns her straight]], but it does occasionally cross the line: Rand being molested by Kirk Kirk, and Spock [[LooksLikeSheIsEnjoyingIt telling her to enjoy it]] she must have enjoyed it]], is particularly disarming, adding nothing to the scene. This is the one thing that really bleeds over from the 60s. The fact that this show was considered a beacon of progressiveness shows just how backwards things were back then.
30th Apr '16 8:49:34 AM CaptEquinox
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** Nimoy created much of Spock's backstory as a mixed-race person figuring out where and how he belongs. He [[http://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2015/02/27/389589676/leonard-nimoys-advice-to-a-biracial-girl-in-1968 responded publicly and at length]] to a mixed-race girl who wrote a letter to Spock talking about being outcast by both black and white peers.
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