History YMMV / StarTrekTheOriginalSeries

13th Jan '18 8:50:13 AM ading
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** Kirk's reputation as a careless [[{{Pornomancer}} manwhore]]. He did sleep around a lot, but in several cases (where he wasn't being a male FemmeFatale, amnesiac, or mind-controlled), he experienced sincerely felt attraction that failed only because of the woman's death or his duties. The "horndog" image as well as the idea that Kirk is "brash" and disdainful of rules and authority is a [[{{Flanderization}} flanderized]] mis-remembering of Kirk's real disposition. [[http://strangehorizons.com/non-fiction/columns/freshly-rememberd-kirk-drift/ This article]] examines why and how.

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** Kirk's reputation as a careless [[{{Pornomancer}} manwhore]]. He canonically had sex with a grand total of ''two'' women over the course of the show. He did sleep around get in a lot, lot of flirting and kissing, but in several cases (where he wasn't being a male FemmeFatale, amnesiac, or mind-controlled), he experienced sincerely felt attraction that failed only because of the woman's death or his duties. The "horndog" image as well as the idea that Kirk is "brash" and disdainful of rules and authority is a [[{{Flanderization}} flanderized]] mis-remembering of Kirk's real disposition. [[http://strangehorizons.com/non-fiction/columns/freshly-rememberd-kirk-drift/ This article]] examines why and how.
28th Dec '17 2:11:21 PM thatsnumberwang
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** Nothing so bad as James Bond [[{{Film/Goldfinger}} pimp-handing a lesbian so hard it turns her straight]], but it does occasionally cross the line: Rand being molested by Kirk, and Spock [[LooksLikeSheIsEnjoyingIt telling her she must have enjoyed it]], is particularly disarming, adding nothing to the scene. This is the one thing that really bleeds over from the 60s. The fact that this show was considered a beacon of progressiveness shows just how backwards things were back then.

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** Nothing so bad as James Bond [[{{Film/Goldfinger}} pimp-handing a lesbian so hard it turns her straight]], but it does occasionally cross the line: Rand being molested by Kirk, and Spock [[LooksLikeSheIsEnjoyingIt telling her she must have enjoyed it]], is particularly disarming, adding nothing to the scene. This is the one thing that really bleeds over from the 60s. The fact that this show was considered a beacon of progressiveness shows just how backwards things were back then.
28th Dec '17 12:24:59 PM CaptEquinox
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** Hell, practically every female on the show. Roddenberry included women more out of a sense of decoration than equality, and he liked'em with big doe eyes and bigger boobs.
[[http://www.vice.com/read/off-hollywood-denise-crosby This]] interview by Denise Crosby (who played Tasha Yar over on ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'') reveals that he more or less told her that this was her sole purpose on the show, which is one of the reasons that led her to resign. Apparently most of the feminism in the show came from the writers rather than Gene.

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** Hell, practically every female on the show. Roddenberry included women more out of a sense of decoration than equality, and he liked'em with big doe eyes and bigger boobs. \n [[http://www.vice.com/read/off-hollywood-denise-crosby This]] This interview by with Denise Crosby Crosby]] (who played Tasha Yar over on ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'') reveals that he more or less told her that this was her sole purpose on the show, which is one of the reasons that led her to resign. Apparently most of the feminism in the show came from the writers rather than Gene.
28th Dec '17 12:15:20 PM CaptEquinox
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** Hell, practically every female on the show. Roddenberry included women more out of a sense of decoration than equality, and he liked'em with big doe eyes and bigger boobs. [[http://www.vice.com/read/off-hollywood-denise-crosby This]] interview by Denise Crosby (who played Tasha Yar over on ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'') reveals that he more or less told her that this was her sole purpose on the show, which is one of the reasons that led her to resign. Apparently most of the feminism in the show came from the writers rather than Gene.

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** Hell, practically every female on the show. Roddenberry included women more out of a sense of decoration than equality, and he liked'em with big doe eyes and bigger boobs.
[[http://www.vice.com/read/off-hollywood-denise-crosby This]] interview by Denise Crosby (who played Tasha Yar over on ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'') reveals that he more or less told her that this was her sole purpose on the show, which is one of the reasons that led her to resign. Apparently most of the feminism in the show came from the writers rather than Gene.
--> His attitude toward women on Trek were miniskirted, big-boobed sex objects -- toys for guys. He cleaned up that act gradually only because people pointed it out to him. - Leonard Nimoy, quoted in ''The Fifty-Year Mission'' by Edward Gross and Mark Altman.



*** Robert Justman and Herb Solow have revealed that the "for a woman" business, the almost-nude alien babes and microskirted female crewmembers as sex toys was all Roddenberry. [[note]]Third season producer Fred Freiberger was no slouch in the sexism department either; several female writers recall him summarizing the show as "tits in space."[[/note]]

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*** Robert Justman and Herb Solow have revealed that the "for a woman" business, the almost-nude alien babes and microskirted female crewmembers as sex toys was all Roddenberry. Ultra-short skirts were an everyday style at the time, even a symbol of liberation (similar to today's "[[https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/05/project-not-asking-for-it-sally-rappaport_n_5447858.html Project Not Asking For It]]"), but Roddenberry ''really'' dug 'em.[[note]]Third season producer Fred Freiberger was no slouch in the sexism department either; several female writers recall him summarizing the show as "tits in space."[[/note]]



** Kirk's reputation as a careless [[{{Pornomancer}} manwhore]]. He did sleep around a lot, but in several cases (where he wasn't being a male FemmeFatale, amnesiac, or mind-controlled), he experienced sincerely felt attraction that failed only because of the woman's death or his duties.

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** Kirk's reputation as a careless [[{{Pornomancer}} manwhore]]. He did sleep around a lot, but in several cases (where he wasn't being a male FemmeFatale, amnesiac, or mind-controlled), he experienced sincerely felt attraction that failed only because of the woman's death or his duties. The "horndog" image as well as the idea that Kirk is "brash" and disdainful of rules and authority is a [[{{Flanderization}} flanderized]] mis-remembering of Kirk's real disposition. [[http://strangehorizons.com/non-fiction/columns/freshly-rememberd-kirk-drift/ This article]] examines why and how.
20th Dec '17 4:38:48 AM SpaceDrake
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** One particular, historic example, though, is the Kirk/Uhura kiss from "Plato's Stepchildren". The humble Tropers of this website can, in truth, probably not over-emphasize how big a deal this was at the time. Not only did the cast and crew have to fight ''tooth and nail'' to make it happen at all, but another facet of context that has to be remembered is that [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loving_v._Virginia miscegnation laws]] had only been declared unconstitutional across the United States a mere ''sixteen months'' prior to the episode's first airing. It was still refused an airing in much of the country and made general news headlines. It's quite possible every interracial romantic moment on American TV in the following ''half-century'' owes a nod to ''TOS'' for being among the first to kick down that door at all. And yet today, the scene comes across as pedestrian and even kind of [[UnfortunateImplications unfortunate]] in ways, due to what those involved had to do to get it past the executives at all.

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** One particular, historic example, though, is the Kirk/Uhura kiss from "Plato's Stepchildren". The humble Tropers of this website can, in truth, probably not over-emphasize how big a deal this was at the time. Not only did the cast and crew have to fight ''tooth and nail'' to make it happen at all, but another facet of context that has to be remembered is that [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loving_v._Virginia miscegnation laws]] had only been declared unconstitutional across the United States a mere ''sixteen months'' prior to the episode's first airing. It was still refused an airing in much of the country and made general news headlines. It's quite possible every interracial romantic moment on American TV in the following ''half-century'' owes a nod to ''TOS'' for being among the first to kick down that door at all. And yet today, the scene comes across as pedestrian and even kind of [[UnfortunateImplications unfortunate]] in ways, due to what those involved had to do to get it past the show executives to sign off on it at all.
20th Dec '17 4:37:14 AM SpaceDrake
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* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: ''Fwoof''. TOS catches it ''bad'' these days. Not only has everyone who followed in its footsteps borrowed from it to some degree, but they've ''all'' tried to improve upon a lot of the problems the show had due to a limited budget, technological barriers of the time and the fact that the cast and crew were inventing a lot of tropes as they went. Not to mention the ValuesDissonance of a show made in the 60s. Fans who got into Trek with the newer installments can have trouble watching TOS nowadays.

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''Fwoof''. TOS catches it ''bad'' these days. Not only has everyone who followed in its footsteps borrowed from it to some degree, but they've ''all'' tried to improve upon a lot of the problems the show had due to a limited budget, technological barriers of the time and the fact that the cast and crew were inventing a lot of tropes as they went. Not to mention the ValuesDissonance of a show made in the 60s. Fans who got into Trek with the newer installments can have trouble watching TOS nowadays.nowadays.
** One particular, historic example, though, is the Kirk/Uhura kiss from "Plato's Stepchildren". The humble Tropers of this website can, in truth, probably not over-emphasize how big a deal this was at the time. Not only did the cast and crew have to fight ''tooth and nail'' to make it happen at all, but another facet of context that has to be remembered is that [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loving_v._Virginia miscegnation laws]] had only been declared unconstitutional across the United States a mere ''sixteen months'' prior to the episode's first airing. It was still refused an airing in much of the country and made general news headlines. It's quite possible every interracial romantic moment on American TV in the following ''half-century'' owes a nod to ''TOS'' for being among the first to kick down that door at all. And yet today, the scene comes across as pedestrian and even kind of [[UnfortunateImplications unfortunate]] in ways, due to what those involved had to do to get it past the executives at all.
12th Nov '17 6:00:37 PM Geoduck
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** The eponymous menace in "[[{{Recap/StarTrekS2E6TheDoomsdayMachine}} The Doomsday Machine]]" is pretty spiffy-looking, especially considering it was made by dipping a windsock in cement.
27th Oct '17 2:16:03 AM PaulA
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** It's definitely a series that needs to be viewed with an understanding of the historical context. Like, if Kirk [[{{Pornomancer}} snapped his fingers and had a yeoman sit on his face]] it wouldn't be that shocking.[[note]]Roddenberry wanted the show to have that ambiance, Kirk as his AuthorAvatar could [[{{Casanova}} have any woman]] [[BoldlyComing he desired]].[[/note]] Not just in the way that every female member of the crew [[MaleGaze goes around in those miniskirts and is being sexually harassed all the time]], plus the alien babes in their [[TheissTitillationTheory skimpy outfits]], but also the lighthearted "aw shucks" tone with which the show addresses it. There are so many moments when a female crewmember is complimented, followed by: "... for a ''[[BaitAndSwitchComment woman]]''".

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** It's definitely a series that needs to be viewed with an understanding of the historical context. Like, if Kirk [[{{Pornomancer}} snapped his fingers and had a yeoman sit on his face]] it wouldn't be that shocking.[[note]]Roddenberry wanted the show to have that ambiance, Kirk as his AuthorAvatar could [[{{Casanova}} [[TheCasanova have any woman]] [[BoldlyComing he desired]].[[/note]] Not just in the way that every female member of the crew [[MaleGaze goes around in those miniskirts and is being sexually harassed all the time]], plus the alien babes in their [[TheissTitillationTheory skimpy outfits]], but also the lighthearted "aw shucks" tone with which the show addresses it. There are so many moments when a female crewmember is complimented, followed by: "... for a ''[[BaitAndSwitchComment woman]]''".
16th Oct '17 8:42:27 PM Premonition45
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** In "Balance of Terror", [[FantasticRacism when Lt. Stiles expresses his deep hatred of the Romulans]], Kirk responds "Leave any bigotry in your quarters; there's no room for it on the bridge." In ''Film/StarTrekVITheUndiscoveredCountry'', Kirk gives a log entry in his quarters, confessing to his own hatred of the Klingons due to [[Film/StarTrekIIITheSearchForSpock his son David Marcus' murder]], [[EngineeredPublicConfession which is presented to the Klingon courts]] [[spoiler:by Lt. Valeris]] [[EngineeredPublicConfession as damning evidence for orchestrating the assassination of Chancellor Gorkon]].

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** In "Balance of Terror", [[FantasticRacism when Lt. Stiles expresses his deep hatred of the Romulans]], Kirk responds "Leave any bigotry in your quarters; there's no room for it on the bridge." In ''Film/StarTrekVITheUndiscoveredCountry'', Kirk gives a log entry in his quarters, confessing to his own hatred of the Klingons due to [[Film/StarTrekIIITheSearchForSpock his son David Marcus' murder]], [[EngineeredPublicConfession which is presented to the Klingon courts]] [[spoiler:by Lt. Valeris]] [[EngineeredPublicConfession courts as damning evidence for orchestrating the assassination of Chancellor Gorkon]].
16th Oct '17 8:41:49 PM Premonition45
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** In "Balance of Terror", [[FantasticRacism when Lt. Stiles expresses his deep hatred of the Romulans]], Kirk responds "Leave any bigotry in your quarters; there's no room for it on the bridge." In ''Film/StarTrekVITheUndiscoveredCountry'', Kirk gives a log entry in his quarters, confessing to his own hatred of the Klingons due to [[Film/StarTrekIIITheSearchForSpock his son David Marcus' murder]], [[EngineeredPublicConfession which is presented to the Klingon courts]] [[spoiler:by Lt. Valeris]] [[EngineeredPublicConfession as damning evidence for orchestrating the assassination of Chancellor Gorkon]].
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