History YMMV / StarTrekTheOriginalSeries

17th May '18 7:59:58 PM HeroGal2347
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** TheReveal in "[[{{Recap/StarTrekS1E28TheCityOnTheEdgeOfForever}} The City on the Edge of Forever]]". Edith's peace movement not only should but '''must''' be killed, or else Franklin Delano Roosevelt will keep America out of World War II, which would result in the Nazis developing atomic power first and winning. "Pacifism is an ideal to aspire to, but reality is more cynical, and sometimes people must be prepared to fight."
*** It's not necessarily a ''bad'' aesop, but it's certainly more cynical than you'd expect of a 60s show, and in rather stark contrast to the pretty strong "Pacifism = Good" message sent by earlier episodes. It can get worse when you consider the time the episode aired, and see it as a possible call for American intervention in Southeast Asia.

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** TheReveal in "[[{{Recap/StarTrekS1E28TheCityOnTheEdgeOfForever}} The City on the Edge of Forever]]". Edith's peace movement not only should but '''must''' be killed, or else Franklin Delano Roosevelt will keep America out of World War II, which would result in the Nazis developing atomic power first and winning. "Pacifism is an ideal to aspire to, but reality is more cynical, and sometimes people must be prepared to fight."
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" It's not necessarily a ''bad'' aesop, but it's certainly more cynical than you'd expect of a 60s show, and in rather stark contrast to the pretty strong "Pacifism = Good" message sent by earlier episodes. It can get worse when you consider the time the episode aired, and see it as a possible call for American intervention in Southeast Asia.



** In "Balance of Terror", [[FantasticRacism when Lt. Stiles expresses his deep hatred of the Romulans]], Kirk responds "Leave any bigotry in your quarters; there's no room for it on the bridge." In ''Film/StarTrekVITheUndiscoveredCountry'', Kirk gives a log entry in his quarters, confessing to his own hatred of the Klingons due to [[Film/StarTrekIIITheSearchForSpock his son David Marcus' murder]], [[EngineeredPublicConfession which is presented to the Klingon courts as damning evidence for orchestrating the assassination of Chancellor Gorkon]]. The key difference between the two men however is that whilst Stiles was being publicly confrontational towards Spock and the Romulans, Kirk was steadfastly following his own advice by trying to keep his hatred of the Klingons confined to what was essentially his diary (the odd slipped barb whilst drunk aside). When push came to shove, Stiles was unable to put his personal beliefs behind him and risked inflaming an already dangerous situation, whilst Kirk ignored his own feelings on the matter and immediately started work on saving the peace process by personally beaming over to try and save Gorkon's life.

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** In "Balance of Terror", [[FantasticRacism when Lt. Stiles expresses his deep hatred of the Romulans]], Kirk responds "Leave any bigotry in your quarters; there's no room for it on the bridge." In ''Film/StarTrekVITheUndiscoveredCountry'', Kirk gives a log entry in his quarters, confessing to his own hatred of the Klingons due to [[Film/StarTrekIIITheSearchForSpock his son David Marcus' murder]], [[EngineeredPublicConfession which is presented to the Klingon courts as damning evidence for orchestrating the assassination of Chancellor Gorkon]]. The key difference between the two men however is that whilst Stiles was being publicly confrontational towards Spock and the Romulans, Kirk was steadfastly following his own advice by trying to keep his hatred of the Klingons confined to what was essentially his diary (the odd slipped barb whilst drunk aside). When push came to shove, Stiles was unable to put his personal beliefs behind him him[[note]]until Spock saved his life[[/note]] and risked inflaming an already dangerous situation, whilst Kirk ignored his own feelings on the matter and immediately started work on saving the peace process by personally beaming over to try and save Gorkon's life.



** It's hard to watch "[[{{Recap/StarTrekS2E18TheImmunitySyndrome}} The Immunity Syndrome]]" without thinking of the lyric from the Novelty Song "Star Trekkin'" that goes "Boldly going forward cuz we can't find reverse!"

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** It's hard to watch "[[{{Recap/StarTrekS2E18TheImmunitySyndrome}} The Immunity Syndrome]]" without thinking of the lyric from the Novelty Song "Star Trekkin'" that goes "Boldly going forward cuz 'cause we can't find reverse!"
27th Apr '18 10:08:46 PM LordArvidthe13th
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** Aside from Uhura, the series also showed that black people definitely had a place in the future ''decades'' before ''[[Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine DS9]]'' and Sisko; Commodore Stone from "Court Martial" (the highest-ranked black character to appear in the original series) conducted Kirk's trial because he actually ''outranked'' him! (And on the court martial board, we saw Capt. Chandra, played by Reginald Singh.) Not to mention that the computers used by Starfleet (and presumably by everybody in the Federation) run on the "duotronic" system invented by a black man! (Yeah, Daystrom goes off his rocker, but it's clear it's a case of TeenGenius becoming a NervousWreck trying to live up to a prior reputation, leading to insanity, and it's implied he will be all right.)

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** Aside from Uhura, the series also showed that black people definitely had a place in the future ''decades'' before ''[[Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine DS9]]'' and Sisko; Commodore Stone from "Court Martial" (the highest-ranked black character to appear in the original series) conducted Kirk's trial because he actually ''outranked'' him! (And on the court martial board, we saw Capt. Chandra, played by Reginald Singh.) Not to mention that the computers used by Starfleet (and presumably by everybody in the Federation) run on the "duotronic" system invented by a black man! (Yeah, Daystrom goes off his rocker, but it's clear it's a case of TeenGenius becoming a NervousWreck trying to live up to a prior reputation, leading to insanity, and it's implied he will be all right.)) You also have in the first season a black female Lt Engineer giving implied orders to her friend/co-worker, a white guy.
7th Apr '18 11:36:07 AM monkeyjb1988
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** Most of the visual effects of the remastered episodes are good and, most importantly, don't stray to far in GeorgeLucasAlteredVersion. However, whenever there's a fade from a live action shot to a newer CGI shot, the fade starts early. Most of the time, the sound (music, SFX, and even dialogue) from the live action scene is still going on and you can HEAR when the fade took place in the original version. This is a JustifiedTrope, as the remastering team couldn't exactly recreate the original fade's timing without part of the original fade being visible and they didn't have access to the original film (what the production shot before a new strip of film was made to include the fade). Therefore, the mistimed fades remain unless you watch the original episodes.


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** A lot of the remastered effect shots. Granted, some aren't that great and ALL are [[GeorgeLucasAlteredVersion guilty of not being the original effects that have been a part of the show for 40 years]] (the remastered episodes started premiering in 2007). However, it must be weighted against the fact that
*** there's more variety among the shots as opposed to the same few stock shots
*** there's better movement and compositing, with lighting that effects the ships
*** and they can depict things better than the original effects. Anytime a nebula is shown, it makes for beautiful shots.
*** and, unlike the ''StarWars'' special editions, CBS didn't completely redo the episodes to the point of reediting them. The remastering team kept to the spirit of the original shots and the only major changes are improving the look of the planets (as opposed to the colored shapes on spheres) or, in the case where a model ship gets reused (like the Botany Bay and Space Station K-7 being reused in ''The Ultimate Computer'' for a different ship and station), they designed new models to differentiate between shows. Granted, it may erase some of the NarmCharm of the show, but it's hard to compare the effects and not say the remastered effects don't look nicer.
7th Apr '18 3:22:54 AM jormis29
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** The series' running "I'm a doctor, not a..." gag originated in the comedy ''The Kennel Murder Case''. The coroner in that film, played by Etienne Girardot, repeatedly claims to be a doctor not a reporter, detective, etc.

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** The series' running "I'm a doctor, not a..." gag originated in the comedy ''The Kennel Murder Case''.''Film/TheKennelMurderCase''. The coroner in that film, played by Etienne Girardot, repeatedly claims to be a doctor not a reporter, detective, etc.
25th Mar '18 12:15:45 PM TheAmazingBlachman
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** Kirk's reputation as a careless [[{{Pornomancer}} manwhore]]. He canonically had sex with a grand total of ''two'' women over the course of the show. He did get in a lot of flirting and kissing, but in several cases (where he wasn't being a male FemmeFatale, amnesiac, or mind-controlled), he experienced sincerely felt attraction that failed only because of the woman's death or his duties. The "horndog" image as well as the idea that Kirk is "brash" and disdainful of rules and authority is a [[{{Flanderization}} flanderized]] mis-remembering of Kirk's real disposition. [[http://strangehorizons.com/non-fiction/columns/freshly-rememberd-kirk-drift/ This article]] examines why and how.

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** Kirk's reputation as a careless [[{{Pornomancer}} manwhore]].manwhore]] who specialises in charming the panties off {{Green Skinned Space Babe}}s. He canonically had sex with a grand total of ''two'' women over the course of the show. He did get in a lot of flirting and kissing, but in several cases (where he wasn't being a male FemmeFatale, amnesiac, or mind-controlled), he experienced sincerely felt attraction that failed only because of the woman's death or his duties. And, in fact, the only episode where he encounters a sexy green skinned woman, she is ''the one who tries to seduce him'' as a part of a ploy, but fails when he proves to be able to IgnoreTheFanservice. The "horndog" image as well as the idea that Kirk is "brash" and disdainful of rules and authority is a [[{{Flanderization}} flanderized]] mis-remembering of Kirk's real disposition. [[http://strangehorizons.com/non-fiction/columns/freshly-rememberd-kirk-drift/ This article]] examines why and how.
16th Mar '18 10:42:25 AM Premonition45
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** In the episode "[[{{Recap/StarTrekS2E9Metamorphosis}} Metamorphosis]]", Zefram Cochrane's reaction to seeing the Federation commissioner essentially amounted to "Hey hot girl, let's jump in bed together!" Young healthy male marooned on planet for decades + newly marooned female = Hormone explosion; doesn't really take lot of analysis to see why he'd be all over her... but then in ''[[Film/StarTrekFirstContact First Contact]]'', back in the 21st century, Troi was complaining about how she'd gotten roped into drinking with Cochrane and spent a lot of time fending off all of his drunken efforts to grope her. If anything, he's improved! Arguably, an intentional CallForward.

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** In the episode "[[{{Recap/StarTrekS2E9Metamorphosis}} Metamorphosis]]", Zefram Cochrane's reaction to seeing the Federation commissioner essentially amounted to "Hey hot girl, let's jump in bed together!" Young healthy male marooned on planet for decades + newly marooned female = Hormone explosion; doesn't really take lot of analysis to see why he'd be all over her... but then in ''[[Film/StarTrekFirstContact First Contact]]'', ''Film/StarTrekFirstContact'', back in the 21st century, Troi was complaining about how she'd gotten roped into drinking with Cochrane and spent a lot of time fending off all of his drunken efforts to grope her. If anything, he's improved! Arguably, an intentional CallForward.


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** In "The Trouble With Tribbles", when Korax [[BerserkButton angers Scotty]] by saying that the ''Enterprise'' was "a garbage scow", he adds "Half the quadrant knows it. That's why they're learning to speak Klingonese." Creator/JamesDoohan helped develop the fundamentals of the Klingon language for ''Film/StarTrekTheMotionPicture'', before becoming a complete language for ''Film/StarTrekIIITheSearchForSpock''.
4th Mar '18 10:55:56 AM thatsnumberwang
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** In "Balance of Terror", [[FantasticRacism when Lt. Stiles expresses his deep hatred of the Romulans]], Kirk responds "Leave any bigotry in your quarters; there's no room for it on the bridge." In ''Film/StarTrekVITheUndiscoveredCountry'', Kirk gives a log entry in his quarters, confessing to his own hatred of the Klingons due to [[Film/StarTrekIIITheSearchForSpock his son David Marcus' murder]], [[EngineeredPublicConfession which is presented to the Klingon courts as damning evidence for orchestrating the assassination of Chancellor Gorkon]].

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** In "Balance of Terror", [[FantasticRacism when Lt. Stiles expresses his deep hatred of the Romulans]], Kirk responds "Leave any bigotry in your quarters; there's no room for it on the bridge." In ''Film/StarTrekVITheUndiscoveredCountry'', Kirk gives a log entry in his quarters, confessing to his own hatred of the Klingons due to [[Film/StarTrekIIITheSearchForSpock his son David Marcus' murder]], [[EngineeredPublicConfession which is presented to the Klingon courts as damning evidence for orchestrating the assassination of Chancellor Gorkon]]. The key difference between the two men however is that whilst Stiles was being publicly confrontational towards Spock and the Romulans, Kirk was steadfastly following his own advice by trying to keep his hatred of the Klingons confined to what was essentially his diary (the odd slipped barb whilst drunk aside). When push came to shove, Stiles was unable to put his personal beliefs behind him and risked inflaming an already dangerous situation, whilst Kirk ignored his own feelings on the matter and immediately started work on saving the peace process by personally beaming over to try and save Gorkon's life.
4th Mar '18 9:19:58 AM eowynjedi
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** There is a general running thread throughout many episodes that fascism (and other authoritarian forms of government) are bad, that eugenics is bad, and that no matter ''what'' justification the WellIntentionedExtremist or KnightTemplar offers up, they are inherently evil systems that cause great harm to society.
6th Feb '18 2:54:09 AM PRH
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** ''Fwoof''. TOS catches it ''bad'' these days. Not only has everyone who followed in its footsteps borrowed from it to some degree, but they've ''all'' tried to improve upon a lot of the problems the show had due to a limited budget, technological barriers of the time and the fact that the cast and crew were inventing a lot of tropes as they went. Not to mention the ValuesDissonance of a show made in the 60s. Fans who got into Trek with the newer installments can have trouble watching TOS nowadays.
** One particular, historic example, though, is the Kirk/Uhura kiss from "Plato's Stepchildren". The humble Tropers of this website can, in truth, probably not over-emphasize how big a deal this was at the time. Not only did the cast and crew have to fight ''tooth and nail'' to make it happen at all, but another facet of context that has to be remembered is that [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loving_v._Virginia miscegnation laws]] had only been declared unconstitutional across the United States a mere ''sixteen months'' prior to the episode's first airing. It was still refused an airing in much of the country and made general news headlines. It's quite possible every interracial romantic moment on American TV in the following ''half-century'' owes a nod to ''TOS'' for being among the first to kick down that door at all. And yet today, the scene comes across as pedestrian and even kind of [[UnfortunateImplications unfortunate]] in ways, due to what those involved had to do to get the show executives to sign off on it at all.

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** ''Fwoof''. TOS catches it ''bad'' these days. Not only has everyone who followed in its footsteps borrowed from it to some degree, but they've ''all'' tried to improve upon a lot of the problems the show had due to a limited budget, technological barriers of the time and the fact that the cast and crew were inventing a lot of tropes as they went. Not to mention the ValuesDissonance of a show made in the 60s.60s (such as the palpable sexism present in many episodes). Fans who got into Trek with the newer installments can have trouble watching TOS nowadays.
** One particular, historic example, though, is the Kirk/Uhura kiss from "Plato's Stepchildren". The humble Tropers of this website can, in truth, probably not over-emphasize how big a deal this was at the time. Not only did the cast and crew have to fight ''tooth and nail'' to make it happen at all, but another facet of context that has to be remembered is that [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loving_v._Virginia miscegnation miscegenation laws]] had only been declared unconstitutional across the United States a mere ''sixteen months'' prior to the episode's first airing. It was still refused an airing in much of the country and made general news headlines. It's quite possible every interracial romantic moment on American TV in the following ''half-century'' owes a nod to ''TOS'' for being among the first to kick down that door at all. And yet today, the scene comes across as pedestrian and even kind of [[UnfortunateImplications unfortunate]] in ways, due to what those involved had to do to get the show executives to sign off on it at all.
2nd Feb '18 6:34:50 PM nombretomado
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** When Creator/NeilDegrasseTyson was talking to Takei about how Uhura was an example of how progressive the show was, Takei remarked, "Please! Uhura was the secretary. She answered the phone..." (What Takei is referring to is the fact that [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switchboard_operator#Women_as_switchboard_operators women were accepted as telephone switchboard operators.]]) The importance of Uhura is played up even today, despite the fact that Uhura was horribly under-utilised and shows like ''Series/ISpy'' and ''{{Series/Julia}}'' (both also on NBC) were doing a much better job of showcasing black characters.

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** When Creator/NeilDegrasseTyson UsefulNotes/NeilDeGrasseTyson was talking to Takei about how Uhura was an example of how progressive the show was, Takei remarked, "Please! Uhura was the secretary. She answered the phone..." (What Takei is referring to is the fact that [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switchboard_operator#Women_as_switchboard_operators women were accepted as telephone switchboard operators.]]) The importance of Uhura is played up even today, despite the fact that Uhura was horribly under-utilised and shows like ''Series/ISpy'' and ''{{Series/Julia}}'' (both also on NBC) were doing a much better job of showcasing black characters.
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