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** After saving Peter, Tony comments that it's never too early to start thinking about college and mentions he could help get him into MIT which Peter responds to by telling him he doesn't need to go to college. Combine that with Peter's desire to fully join the Avengers and how he even tells Ned he is prepared to become a high school dropout, [[spoiler:this film becomes much harder to watch when in ''No Way Home'' Peter is forced to erase all memory of his civilian identity meaning he can't go to MIT with Ned and Michelle, and he has to drop out of high school to get his own place and study to get his GED.]]
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* ItWasHisSled: [[spoiler:Michelle is seemingly this universe's version of Mary Jane Watson, or rather, "MJ".]] This plot development leaked out ''well over a year'' before the movie came out, and even then it was so widely speculated that this "shocking twist" was going to happen that the actual moment TheReveal happened, some accused it of being anti-climactic. After the movie was released, Kevin Feige [[http://comicbook.com/2017/07/09/spider-man-homecoming-zendaya-michelle-mj-mary-jane-kevin-feige/ clarified]] that [[spoiler:they're not one and the same, but Michelle will fill in for Mary Jane's role in the setting for the time being]].
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--->'''Karen:''' What's wrong? You've reached the southwest window. Why are you hesitating?\\
'''Peter:''' It's fine. It’s just, I've just never been this high before.\\
'''Karen:''' You have also not reinstalled your parachute, so a fall from this height would most likely be lethal.
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** A marketing-based variation. How some people felt about the ad campaign giving away not one, but two of the Captain America PSA, as they felt as though they would have been better suited as surprises akin to the character's "cameo" in ''Film/ThorTheDarkWorld''. Luckily, it turns out that those weren't the only PSA.

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** A marketing-based variation. How some people felt about the ad campaign giving away not one, but two of the Captain America PSA, as they felt as though they would have been better suited as surprises akin to the character's "cameo" in ''Film/ThorTheDarkWorld''. Luckily, it turns out that those weren't the only PSA.PSAs.
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** Is Michelle a genuine HolierThanThou DeadpanSnarker {{Jerkass}}, or is she just trying and failing to be funny? Some of her actions and the way she says certain lines suggest that she may just be trying to initiate SnarkToSnarkCombat in a good-humored way but is so dry and awkward that it fails and she comes across as mean, in an almost AmbiguousDisorder kind of way (which may even explain why she reads more than she interacts with people). Drawing that picture of Peter and pulling a funny face while he's in detention (which she doesn't have, no less)...? Alternatively, is her behavior toward Peter rooted in an attraction to him that she [[{{Tsundere}} doesn't know how to appropriately act on]]? [[spoiler: The following film confirms all of these interpretations: MJ really does like to be BrutallyHonest, but it comes at the cost of her not knowing how to get close to people and results in her being the outcast she is; and she genuinely has no idea how to put herself out there and confess her romantic feelings for Peter.]]

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** Is Michelle a genuine HolierThanThou DeadpanSnarker {{Jerkass}}, or is she just trying and failing to be funny? Some of her actions and the way she says certain lines suggest that she Michelle may just be trying to initiate SnarkToSnarkCombat in a good-humored way but is so dry and awkward that it fails and she comes across as mean, in an almost AmbiguousDisorder kind of way (which may even explain why she reads more than she interacts with people). Drawing that picture of Peter and pulling a funny face while he's in detention (which she doesn't have, no less)...? Alternatively, is her behavior toward Peter rooted in an attraction to him that she [[{{Tsundere}} doesn't know how to appropriately act on]]? [[spoiler: The following film confirms all of these interpretations: MJ really does like to be BrutallyHonest, but it comes at the cost of her not knowing how to get close to people and results in her being the outcast she is; and she genuinely has no idea how to put herself out there and confess her romantic feelings for Peter.]]
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* BadassDecay: Some fans were dissatisfied that Spidey went from holding his own against some of the best heroes in the MCU in ''Civil War'' to apparently losing most of his fights with the villains in this movie and being unable to apprehend them. Spider-Man appeared more accomplished in ''Civil War'' because both Avengers factions were fighting to decommission each other non-lethally rather than the life-and-death stuff of regular superheroics. His fights in Civil War were also melee or fist fights, here his opponents either have the element of surprise or an environmental advantage, and in ''Civil War'' Peter often got too cocky or carried away with his abilities either by talking too much and underestimating his opponent's cunning[[note]]Even the oft-referenced engagement between Spider-Man and Captain America showed that Cap quickly assessed that Spider-Man was a kid and not an experienced fighter, leading Cap to shift his strategy, escaping his webbing and then pinning down Peter, since Spider-Man wasn't the first nor the last superpowered figure Steve fought and took out, and at the end of that film he laid the smack down on Tony Stark making the latter speak from experience when he said "Cap could have laid you low if he wanted to"[[/note]]. Furthermore, in ''Homecoming'', Peter is still pretty capable ''and'' powerful, with his only defeats happening because of his underestimation of his opponents, or his inexperienced bungling of the suit capabilities.
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** There's Ned's insistence that the world, or at least Peter's closest associates, should know he's really Spider-Man, especially seeing as this is a world that isn't exactly packing secret identities for the heroes. Peter repeatedly turns it down despite wanting to go big as an Avenger, citing the dangers involved with this. [[spoiler:As ''Film/SpiderManNoWayHome'' shows, Peter's identity being publicly known to the world at large combined with the FrameUp by Mysterio from the [[Film/SpiderManFarFromHome film in-between]] basically ruins Peter's life, making him ProperlyParanoid two movies in advance.]]
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** The downplaying of Uncle Ben in this story which upsets some fans ignores the fact that Uncle Ben wasn't mentioned very often in ComicBook/LeeDitkoSpiderMan. The idea of Ben's aesop being Spider-Man's creed came much later and was originally just the caption at the end of the origin issue. Likewise, Peter in the early career was TheTeamWannabe to the Fantastic Four and saw Reed Richards as a possible parental figure whose respect he craved, which thanks to rights' issues is now substituted with the Avengers and Iron Man instead.

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** The downplaying of Uncle Ben in this story which upsets some fans ignores the fact that Uncle Ben wasn't mentioned very often in ComicBook/LeeDitkoSpiderMan.[[ComicBook/TheAmazingSpiderManLeeAndDitko The Amazing Spider-Man]]. The idea of Ben's aesop being Spider-Man's creed came much later and was originally just the caption at the end of the origin issue. Likewise, Peter in the early career was TheTeamWannabe to the Fantastic Four and saw Reed Richards as a possible parental figure whose respect he craved, which thanks to rights' issues is now substituted with the Avengers and Iron Man instead.
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* MagnificentBastard: [[Characters/MCUCriminalsTerroristsVulturesGang Adrian Toomes]] was once a hard working man who made a living salvaging Chitauri technology from [[Film/TheAvengers2012 The Incident]]. After having his occupation taken by Damage Control, he became a career criminal, taking the moniker [[RazorWings The Vulture]], and turning what was left of his salvaging company into an underground arms dealership, that would steal said technology and sell it to criminals. Toomes made sure not to leave any evidence for government officials to track his operations, while also making sure they aren't too big so that the Avengers would view them as a threat; this process worked great for Toomes and his criminal business lasted for eight years without any problems. However, when he does face a problem in [[Characters/MCUSpiderMan Spider-Man]] he isn't afraid to fight Spider-Man himself on several occasions; Spider-Man barely manages to survive those encounters with him. He is also able to uncover Spider-Man's civilian identity, Peter Parker, simply by analyzing Peter's behavior, and finds an opportunity to intimidate Peter from interfering with his operations. When this fails he sends [[ShockAndAwe The Shocker]] to distract Peter and later fights him for the final time so he wouldn't foil Toomes' latest heist job. Although threatening to kill Peter and his loved ones, it's shown that Toomes greatly respects him, showing gratitude for saving his daughter's life, as well as his own, by not selling out his SecretIdentity in prison, cementing Adrian Toomes as one of the most [[NobleDemon honorable]], yet cunning foes in the films.

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* MagnificentBastard: [[Characters/MCUCriminalsTerroristsVulturesGang [[Characters/MCUVulture Adrian Toomes]] was once a hard working man who made a living salvaging Chitauri technology from [[Film/TheAvengers2012 The Incident]]. After having his occupation taken by Damage Control, he became a career criminal, taking the moniker [[RazorWings The Vulture]], and turning what was left of his salvaging company into an underground arms dealership, that would steal said technology and sell it to criminals. Toomes made sure not to leave any evidence for government officials to track his operations, while also making sure they aren't too big so that the Avengers would view them as a threat; this process worked great for Toomes and his criminal business lasted for eight years without any problems. However, when he does face a problem in [[Characters/MCUSpiderMan Spider-Man]] he isn't afraid to fight Spider-Man himself on several occasions; Spider-Man barely manages to survive those encounters with him. He is also able to uncover Spider-Man's civilian identity, Peter Parker, simply by analyzing Peter's behavior, and finds an opportunity to intimidate Peter from interfering with his operations. When this fails he sends [[ShockAndAwe The Shocker]] to distract Peter and later fights him for the final time so he wouldn't foil Toomes' latest heist job. Although threatening to kill Peter and his loved ones, it's shown that Toomes greatly respects him, showing gratitude for saving his daughter's life, as well as his own, by not selling out his SecretIdentity in prison, cementing Adrian Toomes as one of the most [[NobleDemon honorable]], yet cunning foes in the films.
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* FanNickname: Iron Man's heavy involvement in the film and his WolverinePublicity in the promotional materials, especially after his prominence on the final poster, has caused some fans, both joking and serious, to call the movie ''Iron Man: Homecoming'', ''Spider-Man: Homecoming Starring Iron Man'', ''Iron Man 4'', or ''Iron Man 7''.[[note]]Counting the original Iron Man trilogy, the first two ''Avengers'' films, and ''Captain America: Civil War''.[[/note]]
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* MorePopularReplacement: Ned Leeds is seen as this filling the role of Peter’s best friend. Both versions of Harry have been viewed as UnintentionallyUnsympathetic, with Raimi-verse Harry being seen as taking advantage of Peter and not being a good boyfriend to MJ, while Webb-verse Harry came off as creepy and entitled to some. Ned’s friendship is viewed as a lot more genuine, even wanting to help Peter in his crime fighting and attempts to impress Liz.

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* MorePopularReplacement: Ned Leeds is seen as this filling the role of Peter’s best friend. Both versions of Harry have been viewed as UnintentionallyUnsympathetic, with Raimi-verse Harry being seen as taking advantage of Peter and not being a good boyfriend to MJ, while Webb-verse Harry came off as creepy and entitled to some. Ned’s friendship is viewed as a lot more genuine, even wanting to help Peter in his crime fighting and attempts to impress Liz.Liz, all wrapped up in an adorkable personality.
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* MorePopularReplacement: Ned Leeds is seen as this filling the role of Peter’s best friend. Both versions of Harry have been viewed as UnintentionallyUnsympathetic, with Raimi-verse Harry being seen as taking advantage of Peter and not being a good boyfriend to MJ, while Webb-verse Harry came off as creepy and entitled to some. Ned’s friendship is viewed as a lot more genuine, even wanting to help Peter in his crime fighting and attempts to impress Liz.
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** The influence of the MCU, in general, has come to split some audiences over the degree of its presence. They are those who welcome the crossover elements as they consider this to be the main selling point of being in the MCU to start, seeing Spider-Man interact with the other characters of the larger Marvel universe. However, there are those who feel the film over relies on its connections to the larger MCU to the expense of Spider-Man's original cast and story. A particular point of contention is how Vulture, once a traditional Spider-Man villain, has more or less become a repurposed Iron Man villain.

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** The influence of the MCU, in general, has come to split some audiences over the degree of its presence. They There are those who welcome the crossover elements as they consider this to be the main selling point of being in the MCU to start, seeing Spider-Man interact with the other characters of the larger Marvel universe. However, there are those who feel the film over relies on its connections to the larger MCU to the expense of Spider-Man's original cast and story. A particular point of contention is how Vulture, once a traditional Spider-Man villain, has more or less become a repurposed Iron Man villain.
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** The influence of the MCU, in general, has come to split some audiences over the degree of its presence. They are those who welcome the crossover elements as they consider this to be the main selling point of being in the MCU to start, seeing Spider-Man interact with the other characters of the larger Marvel universe. However, there are those who feel the film over relies on its connections to the larger MCU to the expense of Spider-Man's original cast and story. A particular point of contention is how Vulture, once a traditional Spider-Man villain, has more or less become a repurposed Iron Man villain.
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This is clearly creator preferred and the next film makes that clear.


* FanPreferredCouple: Even though Peter has a crush on Liz, the part of the fandom that likes Michelle ships Peter with her instead.
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** Are Tony’s WorkingClassHero and "pay grade" comments ''meant'' to be taken as dismissive and patronizing, a relatively innocuous and genuine observation about the threat, or an example of how badly he underestimates Toomes? This is especially likely given that the Vulture really ''is'' a few steps below any of the threats we see the Avengers called on to handle but on the other hand the Vulture is near the level of say Vanko in ''Film/IronMan2'' or Stane in ''Film/IronMan1'', and dismissing and underestimating people is what led to Killian and Mandarin in ''Film/IronMan3''. Vanko for instance threatened an expo in Queens, whereas the Vulture and his operation have spread out from New York suburbs to Maryland and beyond, despite not having the backing of Hammer, and Tony needed War Machine to take down Vanko whereas Spider-Man actually did take out Vulture on his own.
** Is Tony's claim that Captain America went easy on Spider-Man really the truth, or just a {{Gaslighting}} trick used by TheMentor to reign in his plucky over-eager student so as to ensure his authority is not challenged? After all, Tony has a well known ControlFreak and manipulative tendency, and he misled Peter about the airport battle (saying that Steve went crazy rather than the full details of the Sokovia Accords) and in the end [[spoiler:passed off Peter's rejection of the Avengers as a SecretTestOfCharacter on Peter's suggestion]].
** [[spoiler:Did Toomes refuse to give up Peter's identity because he understood that the boy didn't deserve to die by the hands of Gargan and his thugs, or out of gratitude for saving his and his daughter's lives and knowing that his daughter would likely never forgive him if he did, or [[TheOnlyOneAllowedToDefeatYou does he just want to kill Peter himself?]] WordOfGod suggests it's a combination of the first two options.]] Was Toomes' really willing [[spoiler:to kill Peter's family, or was it an idle threat? Considering he's somewhat reluctant to even kill Peter himself, who is a clear and present danger to his operation, it might seem slightly out of character for him to kill people only tangentially related to his foe]]. Was Toomes's AccidentalMurder of a rogue subordinate actually an accident? Or did did he just act like it was in order to put the remaining members of his gang at ease?
*** It's highly doubtful, but there's also the possibility that he might have been trying to do them a favor. Gargan has a big mouth and talks tough, but he and friends would stand absolutely no chance against Spider-Man, and Peter wouldn't hesitate to take the gloves off if they threatened May or any of his friends.
** Does Liz sincerely reciprocate Peter's crush on her, or is she just trying to be a friend to someone she suspects of having serious issues? A deleted scene featured her giving him a clearly romantic kiss, and [[spoiler:Toomes offhandedly mentions that she does like him]], suggesting the former.

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** Are Tony’s WorkingClassHero and "pay grade" comments ''meant'' to be taken as dismissive and patronizing, a relatively innocuous and genuine observation about the threat, or an example of how badly he underestimates Toomes? This is especially likely given that the Vulture really ''is'' a few steps below any of the threats we see the Avengers called on to handle but on the other hand hand, the Vulture is near the level of say say, Vanko in ''Film/IronMan2'' or Stane in ''Film/IronMan1'', and dismissing and underestimating people is what led to Killian and Mandarin the Mandarin's war in ''Film/IronMan3''. Vanko for instance threatened an expo in Queens, whereas the Vulture and his operation have spread out from New York suburbs to Maryland and beyond, despite not having the backing of Hammer, and Tony needed War Machine to take down Vanko whereas Spider-Man actually did take out Vulture on his own.
** Is Tony's claim that Captain America went easy on Spider-Man really the truth, or just a {{Gaslighting}} trick used by TheMentor to reign in his plucky over-eager student so as to ensure his authority is not challenged? After all, Tony has a well known well-known ControlFreak and manipulative tendency, tendencies, and he misled Peter about the airport battle (saying that Steve went crazy rogue rather than the full details of the Sokovia Accords) and in the end end, [[spoiler:passed off Peter's rejection of the Avengers as a SecretTestOfCharacter on Peter's suggestion]].
** [[spoiler:Did Toomes refuse to give up Peter's identity because he understood that the boy didn't deserve to die by the hands of Gargan and his thugs, or out of gratitude for saving his and his daughter's lives and knowing that his daughter Liz would likely never forgive him if he did, or [[TheOnlyOneAllowedToDefeatYou does he just want to kill Peter himself?]] WordOfGod suggests it's a combination of the first two options.]] Was Toomes' Toomes really willing [[spoiler:to kill Peter's family, or was it an idle threat? Considering he's somewhat reluctant to even kill Peter himself, who is a clear and present danger to his operation, it might seem slightly out of character for him to kill people only tangentially related to his foe]]. Was Toomes's AccidentalMurder of a rogue subordinate actually an accident? Or did did he just act like it was in order to put the remaining members of his gang at ease?
*** It's highly doubtful, but there's also the possibility that he Toomes might have been trying to do them a favor. Gargan has a big mouth and talks tough, but he and friends would stand absolutely no chance against Spider-Man, and Peter wouldn't hesitate to take the gloves off if they threatened May or any of his friends.
** Does Liz sincerely reciprocate Peter's crush on her, or is she just trying to be a friend to someone she suspects of having serious issues? A deleted scene featured her giving him Peter a clearly romantic kiss, and [[spoiler:Toomes offhandedly mentions that she does like him]], suggesting the former.
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** Speaking of which, this isn’t the first time Liz Allan has been given a RaceLift from her comic counterpart into a brown-skinned brunette. ''WesternAnimation/TheSpectacularSpiderMan'' did the same for its version of Liz a few years earlier.
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** Toomes, as part of his MotiveRant, talks about the rich and powerful taking what they want and not caring about the little guy. At the beginning of the movie he experiences this first hand when he was financially hurt and treated with a complete lack of respect when the Department of Damage Control took over his contract. He uses this experience to justify his decision to become a Chitauri tech arms dealer. After years of "business is good", however, he no longer appears to be a "blue collar little guy" anymore given his expensive multi-story house in the suburbs and the Jaguar car he is now driving. His MotiveRant of being "a little guy stepped on by the rich and powerful" while still justified and true to his experiences over times becomes less of a FreudianExcuse and more of a denial/justification that he's actually JustAGangster.

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** Toomes, as part of his MotiveRant, talks about the rich and powerful taking what they want and not caring about the little guy. At the beginning of the movie he experiences this first hand when he was financially hurt and treated with a complete lack of respect when the Department of Damage Control took over his contract. He uses this experience to justify his decision to become a Chitauri tech arms dealer. After years of "business is good", however, he no longer appears to be a "blue collar little guy" anymore given his expensive multi-story house in the suburbs and the Jaguar car he is now driving. His MotiveRant of being "a little guy stepped on by the rich and powerful" while still justified and true to his experiences over times becomes less of a FreudianExcuse and more of a denial/justification that he's actually JustAGangster. His angry reaction to finding out Peter is on the plane he's trying to rob: because of how persistent Peter is, or because he knows he may actually have to kill him?
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** Peter's rejection of Tony's offer to become an Avenger becomes significantly darker to see after''[[WesternAnimation/WhatIf2021 What If...?]]'' shows [[spoiler:an alternate timeline where Peter holds onto the guilt of not accepting it in wake of a global ZombieApocalypse.]]
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** This isn't the first time a character played by Michael Keaton worked with [[Videogame/CallOfDutyBlackOpsII a guy named Mason]].
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** Toomes, as part of his MotiveRant, talks about the rich and powerful taking what they want and not caring about the little guy. At the beginning of the movie he experiences this first hand when he was financially hurt and treated with a complete lack of respect when the Department of Damage Control took over his contract. He uses this experience to justify his decision to become a Chitauri tech arms dealer. After 8 years of "business is good", however, he no longer appears to be a "blue collar little guy" anymore given his expensive multi-story house in the suburbs and the Jaguar car he is now driving. His MotiveRant of being "a little guy stepped on by the rich and powerful" while still justified and true to his experiences over times becomes less of a FreudianExcuse and more of a denial/justification that he's actually JustAGangster.

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** Toomes, as part of his MotiveRant, talks about the rich and powerful taking what they want and not caring about the little guy. At the beginning of the movie he experiences this first hand when he was financially hurt and treated with a complete lack of respect when the Department of Damage Control took over his contract. He uses this experience to justify his decision to become a Chitauri tech arms dealer. After 8 years of "business is good", however, he no longer appears to be a "blue collar little guy" anymore given his expensive multi-story house in the suburbs and the Jaguar car he is now driving. His MotiveRant of being "a little guy stepped on by the rich and powerful" while still justified and true to his experiences over times becomes less of a FreudianExcuse and more of a denial/justification that he's actually JustAGangster.



** Did Stark actually tell Parker than Captain America became crazy? Or that was merely Peter's interpretation of what Stark said?

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** Did Stark Tony actually tell Parker than Peter that Captain America became crazy? "went crazy"? Or that was merely Peter's interpretation of what Stark Tony said?
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** Spider-Man himself can't seem to escape this. Those who love him say that his journey to become a superhero is depicted as [[RealityEnsues realistically as possible]], his Mentor/Student relationship with Iron Man is adorable, as well as Tom Holland himself pulling off the {{Adorkable}} teenager that Peter Parker is. Those who dislike this version of Spider-Man, however, cite that his relationship with Tony means he lacks what made Spider-Man such a [[SeinfeldIsUnfunny novelty when he was introduced]]: A teenager with superpowers acting on his own as a solo hero instead of a sidekick to a more well known hero like the many others his age were at the time. Some go as far as to even call him "[[InNameOnly Iron Man Jr]]" instead of Spider-Man due to the majority of his character, tech, and even villains having Stark-related origins.

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** Spider-Man himself can't seem to escape this. Those who love him say that his journey to become a superhero is depicted as [[RealityEnsues [[SurprisinglyRealisticOutcome realistically as possible]], his Mentor/Student relationship with Iron Man is adorable, as well as Tom Holland himself pulling off the {{Adorkable}} teenager that Peter Parker is. Those who dislike this version of Spider-Man, however, cite that his relationship with Tony means he lacks what made Spider-Man such a [[SeinfeldIsUnfunny novelty when he was introduced]]: A teenager with superpowers acting on his own as a solo hero instead of a sidekick to a more well known hero like the many others his age were at the time. Some go as far as to even call him "[[InNameOnly Iron Man Jr]]" instead of Spider-Man due to the majority of his character, tech, and even villains having Stark-related origins.

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* MagnificentBastard: [[BigBad Adrian Toomes]] was once a hard working man who made a living salvaging Chitauri technology from [[Film/TheAvengers2012 The Incident]]. After having his occupation taken by Damage Control, he became a career criminal, taking the moniker [[RazorWings The Vulture]], and turning what was left of his salvaging company into an underground arms dealership, that would steal said technology and sell it to criminals. Toomes made sure not to leave any evidence for government officials to track his operations, while also making sure they aren't too big so that the Avengers would view them as a threat; this process worked great for Toomes and his criminal business lasted for eight years without any problems. However, when he does face a problem in [[Characters/MCUSpiderMan Spider-Man]] he isn't afraid to fight Spider-Man himself on several occasions; Spider-Man barely manages to survive those encounters with him. He is also able to uncover Spider-Man's civilian identity, Peter Parker, simply by analyzing Peter's behavior, and finds an opportunity to intimidate Peter from interfering with his operations. When this fails he sends [[ShockAndAwe The Shocker]] to distract Peter and later fights him for the final time so he wouldn't foil Toomes' latest heist job. Although threatening to kill Peter and his loved ones, it's shown that Toomes greatly respects him, showing gratitude for saving his daughter's life, as well as his own, by not selling out his SecretIdentity in prison, cementing Adrian Toomes as one of the most [[NobleDemon honorable]], yet cunning foes in the films.

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* MagnificentBastard: [[BigBad [[Characters/MCUCriminalsTerroristsVulturesGang Adrian Toomes]] was once a hard working man who made a living salvaging Chitauri technology from [[Film/TheAvengers2012 The Incident]]. After having his occupation taken by Damage Control, he became a career criminal, taking the moniker [[RazorWings The Vulture]], and turning what was left of his salvaging company into an underground arms dealership, that would steal said technology and sell it to criminals. Toomes made sure not to leave any evidence for government officials to track his operations, while also making sure they aren't too big so that the Avengers would view them as a threat; this process worked great for Toomes and his criminal business lasted for eight years without any problems. However, when he does face a problem in [[Characters/MCUSpiderMan Spider-Man]] he isn't afraid to fight Spider-Man himself on several occasions; Spider-Man barely manages to survive those encounters with him. He is also able to uncover Spider-Man's civilian identity, Peter Parker, simply by analyzing Peter's behavior, and finds an opportunity to intimidate Peter from interfering with his operations. When this fails he sends [[ShockAndAwe The Shocker]] to distract Peter and later fights him for the final time so he wouldn't foil Toomes' latest heist job. Although threatening to kill Peter and his loved ones, it's shown that Toomes greatly respects him, showing gratitude for saving his daughter's life, as well as his own, by not selling out his SecretIdentity in prison, cementing Adrian Toomes as one of the most [[NobleDemon honorable]], yet cunning foes in the films.
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** Adrian Toomes is a criminal, but he resorted to a life of crime because his construction company, and the lives of his employees, were ruined thanks to a deal Tony Stark cut with the government that caused them to lose their city contract after Toomes had already purchased his construction equipment. It speaks volumes that he's considered to be one of the most sympathetic villains in the entire setting in spite of the fact that [[WouldHurtAChild he's willing to potentially kill a kid with superpowers]].

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** Adrian Toomes is a criminal, but he resorted to a life of crime because his construction company, and the lives of his employees, were ruined thanks to a deal Tony Stark cut with the government that caused them to lose their city contract after Toomes had already purchased his construction equipment. It speaks volumes that he's considered to be one of the most sympathetic villains in the entire setting in spite of the fact that [[WouldHurtAChild he's willing to potentially kill a kid teenager with superpowers]].superpowers.
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* FriendlyFandoms: With ''Film/TheNiceGuys'' thanks to Angourie Rice playing Betty Brant and Creator/ShaneBlack wrote and directed ''Film/IronMan3''.

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* FriendlyFandoms: With ''Film/TheNiceGuys'' thanks to Angourie Rice playing Betty Brant and Creator/ShaneBlack wrote having written and directed ''Film/IronMan3''.
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** Tony Stark is shown struggling in his newfound role of being a mentor figure to Peter including looking out for his safety and wanting Peter to be better than him. Unfortunately Stark's personality quirks manifest throughout the movie as we see that he doesn't keep up regular communication with Peter, his face to face discussions are filled with snark, he consistently underestimates Peter's enthusiasm and desire to prove himself, and gives the Spider-suit mentoring protocols patronizing names like "training wheels" and "baby monitor". All of which add up to leave Peter and the audience feeling like Stark doesn't really understand him. [[spoiler:Plus making it appear to Peter that he was not taking his claims seriously and didn’t inform Peter that he was passing information to the authorities that can take care of Toomes for him which led to the disaster on the yacht.]]

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** Tony Stark is shown struggling in his newfound role of being a mentor figure to Peter including looking out for his safety and wanting Peter to be better than him. Unfortunately Stark's personality quirks manifest throughout the movie as we see that he doesn't keep up regular communication with Peter, his face to face discussions are filled with snark, he consistently underestimates Peter's enthusiasm and desire to prove himself, and gives the Spider-suit mentoring protocols patronizing names like "training wheels" and "baby monitor". All of which add up to leave Peter and the audience feeling like Stark doesn't really understand him. [[spoiler:Plus Plus making it appear to Peter that he was not taking his claims seriously and didn’t inform Peter that he was passing information to the authorities that can take care of Toomes for him which led to the disaster on the yacht.]]
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** By the end of the movie, [[spoiler:Liz Allen is probably more of a woobie than Peter as she is not only abandoned by her date during homecoming dance, but her dad is found out to be a super-villain and she now has to leave her life and friends because she's moving to Oregon.]]

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** By the end of the movie, [[spoiler:Liz Allen is probably more of a woobie than Peter as she is not only abandoned by her date during homecoming dance, but her dad is found out to be a super-villain and she now has to leave her life and friends because she's moving to Oregon.]]
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** The fact that Peter is a big ''Franchise/StarWars'' fan in this continuity gets really funny with the fact that in the 2021 ''Literature/ChaosWalking'' [[Film/ChaosWalking2021 movie]], Creator/TomHolland will co-star with Creator/DaisyRidley, who plays Rey, the main protagonist of the ''Star Wars'' sequel trilogy.

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** The fact that Peter is a big ''Franchise/StarWars'' fan in this continuity gets really funny with the fact that in the 2021 ''Literature/ChaosWalking'' [[Film/ChaosWalking2021 movie]], ''Film/ChaosWalking2021'', Creator/TomHolland will co-star with Creator/DaisyRidley, who plays Rey, the main protagonist of the ''Star Wars'' sequel trilogy.
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** While the movie avoids falling into familiar territory by not showing Spidey's origin, it also makes his motivation for being a hero unclear if one sets aside ''Film/CaptainAmericaCivilWar'' (which alludes to his motivation more or less being the same as it was in the comics), due to lack of explicit follow-up or acknowledgement. Is he doing it [[GoodFeelsGood just because it's the right thing to do]], because of [[ComesGreatResponsibility the iconic lesson]] that [[MyGreatestFailure the death of his]] -- [[TheGhost still unseen and unnamed and only indirectly alluded to]] -- [[PosthumousCharacter Uncle Ben]] taught him, or because [[IJustWantToBeSpecial he really just wants to be like the Avengers whom he idolizes, especially Iron Man]]? This is muddled by the [[DestructiveSaviour collateral damage and civilian endangerment]] he causes, unlike most other versions of Spidey, and while Iron Man calls him out on it, he's only told to become a better hero. [[spoiler:And in a pivotal moment, this is what motivates him instead of the responsibility theme, though a third interpretation exists where “being a better hero” and “being responsible” are one and the same.]]

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** While the movie avoids falling into familiar territory by not showing Spidey's origin, it also makes his motivation for being a hero unclear if one sets aside ''Film/CaptainAmericaCivilWar'' (which alludes to his motivation more or less being the same as it was in the comics), due to lack of explicit follow-up or acknowledgement. Is he doing it [[GoodFeelsGood just because it's the right thing to do]], because of [[ComesGreatResponsibility the iconic lesson]] that [[MyGreatestFailure the death of his]] -- [[TheGhost still unseen and unnamed and only indirectly alluded to]] -- [[PosthumousCharacter Uncle Ben]] taught him, or because [[IJustWantToBeSpecial he really just wants to be like the Avengers whom he idolizes, especially Iron Man]]? This is muddled by the [[DestructiveSaviour collateral damage and civilian endangerment]] he causes, unlike most other versions of Spidey, and while Iron Man calls him out on it, he's only told to become a better hero. [[spoiler:And in a pivotal moment, this is what motivates him instead of the responsibility theme, though a third interpretation exists where “being "being a better hero” hero" and “being responsible” "being responsible" are one and the same.]]



** Did Stark actually told Parker than Captain America became crazy? Or that was nerely Oeter's interpretation of what Stark said?

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** Did Stark actually told tell Parker than Captain America became crazy? Or that was nerely Oeter's merely Peter's interpretation of what Stark said?
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