History YMMV / SpiderMan3

30th Dec '17 10:42:09 PM FGHIK
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*** It's quite possible he would be captured and experimented on to discover how to recreate his powers, and he'd be arrested for his criminal record if he pretended to be a normal guy.
25th Dec '17 4:29:27 PM AFreakyDude
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* CompleteMonster: In the [[VideoGame/SpiderMan3 video game]], [[CorruptCorporateExecutive Luke Carlyle]] is a former industrialist whose business crumbled after the Daily Bugle uncovered his corrupt practices. Seeking revenge against the city that ruined him, Carlyle adopted the identity of "Carlyle the MadBomber" and led a series of terrorist attacks across Manhattan. After destroying his old building, Carlyle had his men plant explosives throughout the city, focusing mostly on locations that would cause civilian casualties. When Spider-Man foils his plans, Carlyle launches an attack on the Daily Bugle and kidnaps J. Jonah Jameson. Carlyle places an [[ExplosiveLeash explosive collar]] around Jameson's neck and tosses him out of his helicopter in an attempt to kill him and Spider-Man. Carlyle ultimately escapes after Spider-Man takes out his helicopter, but not before [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness setting off the explosives he had rigged in each of his henchmen's suits.]]
25th Dec '17 4:28:31 PM AFreakyDude
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* CompleteMonster: In the [[VideoGame/SpiderMan3 video game]], [[CorruptCorporateExecutive Luke Carlyle]] is a former industrialist whose business crumbled after the Daily Bugle uncovered his corrupt practices. Seeking revenge against the city that ruined him, Carlyle adopted the identity of "Carlyle the MadBomber" and led a series of terrorist attacks across Manhattan. After destroying his old building, Carlyle had his men plant explosives throughout the city, focusing mostly on locations that would cause civilian casualties. When Spider-Man foils his plans, Carlyle launches an attack on the Daily Bugle and kidnaps J. Jonah Jameson. Carlyle places an [[ExplosiveLeash explosive collar]] around Jameson's neck and tosses him out of his helicopter in an attempt to kill him and Spider-Man. Carlyle ultimately escapes after Spider-Man takes out his helicopter, but not before [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness setting off the explosives he had rigged in each of his henchmen's suits.]]
12th Dec '17 1:14:20 PM Anddrix
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* {{Sequelitis}}: The film is generally seen as the least effective installment in the series, few deny this. Whether or not it's actually ''good'' is what divides audiences, with critical and audience consensus [[http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/spiderman_3/ according to Rottentomatoes.com]] [[LoveItOrHateIt being split right down the middle.]]

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* {{Sequelitis}}: The film is generally seen as the least effective installment in the series, few deny this. Whether or not it's actually ''good'' is what divides audiences, with critical and audience consensus [[http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/spiderman_3/ according to Rottentomatoes.com]] [[LoveItOrHateIt being split right down the middle.]]



* TookTheBadFilmSeriously: This isn't as much a bad movie as it is a very [[LoveItOrHateIt divisive]] one, but it is a case where the technical achievements of the film overwhelmed the story. Regardless, most of the cast does a good job with the material they were given. Creator/TobeyMaguire continues to play Peter Parker with an earnest performance with an occasional side of HamAndCheese when he plays the Symbiote-poisoned Peter. Creator/JamesFranco probably gives his best performance as Harry Osborn throughout the trilogy in this movie, and Creator/ThomasHadenChurch was phenomenal as Sandman, lending a surprising amount of pathos to the role. Creator/KirstenDunst also does her best as Mary Jane Watson, even as the script calls for MJ to [[YourCheatingHeart cheat on Peter with Harry]]. Only Topher Grace and Creator/JKSimmons really take advantage of the story's cheesiness, [[ChewingTheScenery as they have way too much fun for the most part]], and even that is downplayed for the latter, as while Mr. Simmons's primary motivation is [[MoneyDearBoy money]], he will give his all on whatever role he takes.

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* TookTheBadFilmSeriously: This isn't as much a bad movie as it is a very [[LoveItOrHateIt divisive]] divisive one, but it is a case where the technical achievements of the film overwhelmed the story. Regardless, most of the cast does a good job with the material they were given. Creator/TobeyMaguire continues to play Peter Parker with an earnest performance with an occasional side of HamAndCheese when he plays the Symbiote-poisoned Peter. Creator/JamesFranco probably gives his best performance as Harry Osborn throughout the trilogy in this movie, and Creator/ThomasHadenChurch was phenomenal as Sandman, lending a surprising amount of pathos to the role. Creator/KirstenDunst also does her best as Mary Jane Watson, even as the script calls for MJ to [[YourCheatingHeart cheat on Peter with Harry]]. Only Topher Grace and Creator/JKSimmons really take advantage of the story's cheesiness, [[ChewingTheScenery as they have way too much fun for the most part]], and even that is downplayed for the latter, as while Mr. Simmons's primary motivation is [[MoneyDearBoy money]], he will give his all on whatever role he takes.
29th Nov '17 5:34:53 AM TheCoolKat1995
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** Yeah, ComicBook/{{Venom}} is in this movie! [[AdvertisedExtra For about ten minutes.]] [[SugarWiki/VisualEffectsOfAwesome But at least he looks cool]], [[{{Narm}} whenever his face isn't Topher Grace's.]]

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** Yeah, ComicBook/{{Venom}} is in this movie! [[AdvertisedExtra For about ten thirty minutes.]] [[SugarWiki/VisualEffectsOfAwesome But at least he looks cool]], [[{{Narm}} whenever his face isn't Topher Grace's.]]
6th Nov '17 4:56:58 AM NightShade96
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* SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic: Christopher Young's [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2ZRwMgtR0A rendition]] of Danny Elfman's theme for the film is excellent, being darker and more dramatic than the original, particularly after the 1:20 mark.



* SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic:
** Christopher Young's [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2ZRwMgtR0A rendition]] of Danny Elfman's theme for the film is excellent, being darker and more dramatic than the original, particularly after the 1:20 mark.
** [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbLpfsG68io Sandman's theme]] is widely regarded as a beautiful piece of music.
** [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nm-hose8Hdc Venom's theme]]. It's a brilliant dark parallel to Spider-Man's {{Leitmotif}}[[note]]which is also the trilogy's main theme[[/note]] - while Spidey's theme is heroic, often having a sense of tranquility and tragedy reflecting his DarkAndTroubledPast, Venom's theme is dark and villainous, with a sense of anger and detest slowly rising, before culminating in a fit of rage - reflecting Venom's hatred towards Spider-Man after he humiliated Eddie and rejected the symbiote.



* CrowningMusicOfAwesome:
** [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbLpfsG68io Sandman's theme]] is widely regarded as a beautiful piece of music.
** [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nm-hose8Hdc Venom's theme]]. It's a brilliant dark parallel to Spider-Man's {{Leitmotif}}[[note]]which is also the trilogy's main theme[[/note]] - while Spidey's theme is heroic, often having a sense of tranquility and tragedy reflecting his DarkAndTroubledPast, Venom's theme is dark and villainous, with a sense of anger and detest slowly rising, before culminating in a fit of rage - reflecting Venom's hatred towards Spider-Man after he humiliated Eddie and rejected the symbiote.
21st Oct '17 11:50:53 AM ClintEastwood
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* BetterOnDVD: Spider-Man 3 had an altered yet shorter and improved version called ''Spider-Man 3: Editor's Cut'' with restored music and better focus on character development. It reinforces the belief many hold that there ''is'' a good movie buried inside here, it just got bogged down with all the ExecutiveMeddling.
* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: The dance scene in the jazz club was perhaps the most infamous example of the decade.

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* BetterOnDVD: Spider-Man 3 The film had an altered yet shorter and improved version called ''Spider-Man 3: Editor's Cut'' with restored music and better focus on character development. It reinforces the belief many hold that there ''is'' a good movie buried inside here, it just got bogged down with all the ExecutiveMeddling.
* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: The dance scene in scene. Or anything that Emo Peter does between Dr. Connors trying to tell him the jazz club was perhaps effects that bonding with the most infamous example of Symbiote might have on him and him striking MJ at the decade.Jazz Club.



* CrowningMusicOfAwesome:
** [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbLpfsG68io Sandman's theme]] is widely regarded as a beautiful piece of music.
** [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nm-hose8Hdc Venom's theme]]. It's a brilliant dark parallel to Spider-Man's {{Leitmotif}}[[note]]which is also the trilogy's main theme[[/note]] - while Spidey's theme is heroic, often having a sense of tranquility and tragedy reflecting his DarkAndTroubledPast, Venom's theme is dark and villainous, with a sense of anger and detest slowly rising, before culminating in a fit of rage - reflecting Venom's hatred towards Spider-Man after he humiliated Eddie and rejected the symbiote.



* EvilIsCool: Played with to the point of parody or deconstruction. Once Peter's bonded with the Venom symbiote, his moral restraint plummets, his feelings of aggression and confidence shoot through the roof and he adopts a dark, callous attitude and black leather wardrobe to match. However, since Peter is still, at heart, a lovable geek with no real idea what "cool" is, his new attitude's actually a goofily overdone caricature that draws eye-rolling disbelief from the people around him.



* FanWank: A very common (and possibly canon) fan wank is that the "Emo Peter" scenes are supposed to be awkward and cringe-y because Peter isn't actually cool, he just thinks he is. This is supported by a few passersby on the street looking at Peter funny during his dance. It's also contradicted by the fact that at the dance club he's genuinely treated as being exactly as cool as he thinks.



* NeverLiveItDown: The first thing that anyone who hates the film will mention is the dance scene, which only lasted for a couple of minutes out of the movie.



** Before the film's release, Stan Lee considered his cameo in the movie to be his personal favorite up to that point.

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** Before the film's release, Stan Lee Creator/StanLee considered his cameo in the movie to be his personal favorite up to that point.



** Creator/BryceDallasHoward as Gwen Stacy does a pretty good job despite having a character so underused she was almost entirely redundant. One gets the impression she could have been a great love interest had there not been [[FourLinesAllWaiting a dozen other competing plotlines and characters.]]
* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: Mary Jane for a number of people, for being a more sympathetic character, and actually doing something to help Peter even while being held in distress by Venom.
* RomanticPlotTumor: The film receives the most criticism on this count, since many fans felt that the second film was a fine conclusion to the romance. The fact that the film had [[FourLinesAllWaiting three other major plotlines competing for screentime]] also caused problems. On the flip side, some thought the romance was ''better'' in the third film because it was more interesting to see Peter and MJ dealing with problems ''as'' a couple, rather than the first two's "WillTheyOrWontThey?" drama that everyone knew the answer to.



* {{Sequelitis}}: The film is generally seen as the least effective installment in the series, few deny this. Whether or not it's actually ''good'' is what divides audiences, with critical and audience consensus [[http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/spiderman_3/ according to Rottentomatoes.com]] [[LoveItOrHateIt being split right down the middle.]]
* SuspiciouslySimilarSong: The section of Music/JamesBrown's ''Drive That Funky Soul'' used for Peter's "[[{{Adorkable}} cool]]" street strutting scene sounds like a variation on the classic [[WesternAnimation/SpiderMan1967 60's Spider-Man theme]], which is probably the reason why they used it.



* WTHCastingAgency: General consensus is that Topher Grace wasn't a very good cast for Venom. WordOfGod says that Topher was cast because Raimi enjoyed his acting and thought he'd make a perfect [[EvilCounterpart Anti-Peter Parker.]] Basically, the casting was more about this version of Eddie Brock than it was about Venom -- which didn't work out for them in terms of fan reaction, as most fans either don't really care about the Eddie Brock part of Venom, or think that the usual version of Eddie Brock is much more interesting, at least after his CharacterDevelopment and in the [[WesternAnimation/SpiderManTheAnimatedSeries animated]] [[WesternAnimation/TheSpectacularSpiderMan adaptations.]]

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* WhatAnIdiot:
** Why exactly did Peter think it would be a smart idea to plant a big wet one on Gwen Stacy right in front of Mary Jane, in the exact same way as he first kissed Mary Jane in the first film no less?
** What on Earth possessed Harry's butler to not tell him [[spoiler:he knew Norman had been killed by his own glider]] ''before'' Harry decided to dedicate his life to vengeance against Spider-Man?
*** [[spoiler: WordOfGod states that the butler, while a real person, was a hallucination in that scene, representing Harry's conscience... [[VoodooShark Yeah]].]]
** There's also Mary Jane ''going along'' with Harry's blackmail instead of just telling Peter (her very powerful superhero boyfriend) about Harry's amnesia recovery, especially considering that Harry was watching from a distance at the same place at the time!
** Sandman could have gone to the military and offered his help in exchange for free health care for his family, same as any serving member. You know, in the Iraqi war. The one that was being fought in the desert. However, he's not exactly too bright, and may not have wanted to kill anyone again, even if they deserved it.
* WTHCastingAgency: General consensus is that Topher Grace Creator/TopherGrace wasn't a very good cast for Venom. WordOfGod says that Topher was cast because Raimi enjoyed his acting and thought he'd make a perfect [[EvilCounterpart Anti-Peter Parker.]] Basically, the casting was more about this version of Eddie Brock than it was about Venom -- which didn't work out for them in terms of fan reaction, as most fans either don't really care about the Eddie Brock part of Venom, or think that the usual version of Eddie Brock is much more interesting, at least after his CharacterDevelopment and in the [[WesternAnimation/SpiderManTheAnimatedSeries animated]] [[WesternAnimation/TheSpectacularSpiderMan adaptations.]]
* TheWoobie: Sandman. The guy just wants to get his daughter cured, and he doesn't want to hurt anybody else in the way, but things ''just never worked out for him.'' He sums it up well with "I'm not a bad person... I've just had really bad luck." And by the way, just to get a picture of how rough things are for this guy? He says this line BEFORE he becomes the Sandman.


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* TheProblemWithLicensedGames: Few thought it was ''bad'' by any means, but it was widely considered to be a major disappointment, especially considering it was released on a new console generation.
* ScrappyMechanic: The need to put in a quick-time event to remove the symbiote.
19th Oct '17 11:17:14 AM ClintEastwood
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* TookTheBadFilmSeriously: This isn't as much a bad movie as it is a very [[LoveItOrHateIt divisive]] one, but it is a case where the technical achievements of the film overwhelmed the story. Regardless, most of the cast does a good job with the material they were given. Creator/TobeyMaguire continues to play Peter Parker with an earnest performance with an occasional side of HamAndCheese when he plays the Symbiote-poisoned Peter. Creator/JamesFranco probably gives his best performance as Harry Osborn throughout the trilogy in this movie, and Creator/ThomasHadenChurch was phenomenal as Sandman, lending a surprising amount of pathos to the role. Creator/KirstenDunst also does her best as Mary Jane Watson, even as the script calls for MJ to [[YourCheatingHeart cheat on Peter with Harry]]. Only Topher Grace and Creator/JKSimmons really take advantage of the story's cheesiness, [[ChewingTheScenery as they have way too much fun for the most part]], and even that is downplayed for the latter, as while Mr. Simmons's primary motivation is [[MoneyDearBoy money]], he will give his all on whatever role he takes.
1st Oct '17 4:21:43 AM AgentSkyblueM7
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* AuthorsSavingThrow: The ''Editor's Cut'' version of the movie outright cuts out the much-panned scene where Harry's butler convinces Harry to help Peter save MJ by [[WhatAnIdiot only just NOW revealing to him that he had proof of Norman dying by his own hand]], and instead has Harry make his choice all by himself, making his role in the film's climax much more powerful. This also might have happened anyway according to WordOfGod, [[AFormYouAreComfortableWith as Harry was apparently hallucinating him being there]] [[EurekaMoment while putting the pieces together about what really happened to Norman]].

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* AuthorsSavingThrow: The ''Editor's Cut'' version of the movie outright cuts out the much-panned scene where Harry's butler convinces Harry to help Peter save MJ by [[WhatAnIdiot only just NOW revealing to him that he had proof of Norman dying by his own hand]], and instead has Harry make his choice all by himself, making his role in the film's climax much more powerful. This also might have happened anyway according to WordOfGod, [[AFormYouAreComfortableWith as Harry was apparently hallucinating him being there]] [[EurekaMoment while putting as part of remembering the pieces together about what really happened to Norman]].evidence and realizing the truth]].
1st Oct '17 4:19:12 AM AgentSkyblueM7
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* AuthorsSavingThrow: The ''Editor's Cut'' version of the movie outright cuts out the much-panned scene where Harry's butler convinces Harry to help Peter save MJ by [[WhatAnIdiot only just NOW revealing to him that he had proof of Norman dying by his own hand]], and instead has Harry make his choice all by himself, making his role in the film's climax much more powerful. This might have also been the case anyway according to WordOfGod, [[AFormYouAreComfortableWith as Harry was apparently hallucinating him being there while putting the pieces together]].

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* AuthorsSavingThrow: The ''Editor's Cut'' version of the movie outright cuts out the much-panned scene where Harry's butler convinces Harry to help Peter save MJ by [[WhatAnIdiot only just NOW revealing to him that he had proof of Norman dying by his own hand]], and instead has Harry make his choice all by himself, making his role in the film's climax much more powerful. This also might have also been the case happened anyway according to WordOfGod, [[AFormYouAreComfortableWith as Harry was apparently hallucinating him being there there]] [[EurekaMoment while putting the pieces together]].together about what really happened to Norman]].
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