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** Harry's behavior throughout the last two films really comes under fire with the WordOfGod confirmation that the entire scene with his butler [[spoiler:was all in his head and seemingly knew that his father died of his own wounds this whole time]]. The fact that he knew this (with ''Film/SpiderManNoWayHome'' even somewhat implying Norman's time as Gobby was public knowledge after his death, though that's really a SeriesContinuityError, especially since Aunt May clearly had no idea of this in the second movie) means his ''entire'' crusade against Peter was nothing but petty selfishness, making the scene where "Bully Maguire" mocks Harry and blows up his arsenal of pumpkin bombs with him near it a well-earned dose of karma.
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** Harry's behavior throughout the last two films really comes under fire with the WordOfGod confirmation that the entire scene with his butler [[spoiler:was [[spoiler:[[VoodooShark was all in his head and seemingly knew that his father died of his own wounds this whole time]].time]]]]. The fact that he knew this (with ''Film/SpiderManNoWayHome'' even somewhat implying Norman's time as Gobby was public knowledge after his death, though that's really a SeriesContinuityError, especially since Aunt May clearly had no idea of this in the second movie) means his ''entire'' crusade against Peter was nothing but petty selfishness, making the scene where "Bully Maguire" mocks Harry and blows up his arsenal of pumpkin bombs with him near it a well-earned dose of karma. Unsurprisingly, the novel mentions none of this, with Harry being outright surprised at Bernard's revelation.
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** It's a little harder to believe in Flint Marko insisting that he's not a bad person but just an unlucky guy considering he was on board with Venom's plan about kidnapping and endangering an innocent woman (Mary Jane) to lure Peter and how he was almost going to kill him in front of a crowd of people if only Harry didn't pull a BigDamnHeroes and stopped him at the very last moment. The video game is a little better in that Venom threatened his daughter, which makes his reasoning to help him there a lot more justifiable, but no such threat is made in the film.
*** It's also hard to believe that he would need to rob banks for money, since he has superpowers that would allow any normal person to easily get a fortune through legal means. Even when factoring in his criminal record, if a man can't get a pardon from the government by offering his services as a sand-controlling behemoth for various purposes (serving the army, fixing the environment, etc...), then he isn't even trying.
** Harry's behavior throughout the last two films really comes under fire with the WordOfGod confirmation that the entire scene with his butler [[spoiler:was all in his head and seemingly knew that his father died of his own wounds this whole time]]. The fact that he knew this (with ''Film/SpiderManNoWayHome'' even somewhat implying Norman's time as Gobby was public knowledge after his death, though that's really a SeriesContinuityError, especially since Aunt May clearly had no idea of this in the second movie) means his ''entire'' crusade against Peter was nothing but petty (since it was already likely [[GreenEyedMonster that his jealousy played]] [[InferioritySuperiorityComplex a part in it too]]), making the scene where "Bully Maguire" mocks Harry and blows up his arsenal of pumpkin bombs with him near it a well-earned dose of karma.
*** It's also hard to believe that he would need to rob banks for money, since he has superpowers that would allow any normal person to easily get a fortune through legal means. Even when factoring in his criminal record, if a man can't get a pardon from the government by offering his services as a sand-controlling behemoth for various purposes (serving the army, fixing the environment, etc...), then he isn't even trying.
** Harry's behavior throughout the last two films really comes under fire with the WordOfGod confirmation that the entire scene with his butler [[spoiler:was all in his head and seemingly knew that his father died of his own wounds this whole time]]. The fact that he knew this (with ''Film/SpiderManNoWayHome'' even somewhat implying Norman's time as Gobby was public knowledge after his death, though that's really a SeriesContinuityError, especially since Aunt May clearly had no idea of this in the second movie) means his ''entire'' crusade against Peter was nothing but petty (since it was already likely [[GreenEyedMonster that his jealousy played]] [[InferioritySuperiorityComplex a part in it too]]), making the scene where "Bully Maguire" mocks Harry and blows up his arsenal of pumpkin bombs with him near it a well-earned dose of karma.
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** It's a little harder bit hard to believe in Flint Marko insisting that he's not a bad person but just an unlucky guy considering everything he did. Even with his unfortunate situation, the man ''did'' commit armed robbery and manslaughter after all. Likewise, as Sandman, he was also on board with Venom's plan about kidnapping and endangering to endanger an innocent woman (Mary Jane) Jane), as well as bludgeoned Spider-Man to lure Peter and how he was almost going to kill him near-death in front of a crowd of people if only until Harry didn't pull a BigDamnHeroes and stopped him at the very last moment.intervened. The video game is a little better in that Venom threatened his daughter, which makes his reasoning to help him there a lot more justifiable, but no such threat is made in the film.
*** It's also hard to believe thathe Sandman would need to rob banks and endanger the lives of innocents (to the extent of smashing them through car windows) for money, since he has superpowers that would allow any normal person to easily get a fortune through legal means. Even when factoring in his criminal record, if a man can't get a pardon from the government by offering his services as a sand-controlling behemoth for various purposes (serving the army, fixing the environment, etc...), then he isn't even trying.
*** Continuing this is ''Film/SpiderManNoWayHome'', where he still antagonizes Peter and his allies despite reconciling with the former. What's worse is that nobody in particular was antagonizing him, meaning that Marko could have just as easily helped the three Spider-Men in their mission if he wanted to return home so badly.
** Harry's behavior throughout the last two films really comes under fire with the WordOfGod confirmation that the entire scene with his butler [[spoiler:was all in his head and seemingly knew that his father died of his own wounds this whole time]]. The fact that he knew this (with ''Film/SpiderManNoWayHome'' even somewhat implying Norman's time as Gobby was public knowledge after his death, though that's really a SeriesContinuityError, especially since Aunt May clearly had no idea of this in the second movie) means his ''entire'' crusade against Peter was nothing but petty(since it was already likely [[GreenEyedMonster that his jealousy played]] [[InferioritySuperiorityComplex a part in it too]]), selfishness, making the scene where "Bully Maguire" mocks Harry and blows up his arsenal of pumpkin bombs with him near it a well-earned dose of karma.
*** It's also hard to believe that
*** Continuing this is ''Film/SpiderManNoWayHome'', where he still antagonizes Peter and his allies despite reconciling with the former. What's worse is that nobody in particular was antagonizing him, meaning that Marko could have just as easily helped the three Spider-Men in their mission if he wanted to return home so badly.
** Harry's behavior throughout the last two films really comes under fire with the WordOfGod confirmation that the entire scene with his butler [[spoiler:was all in his head and seemingly knew that his father died of his own wounds this whole time]]. The fact that he knew this (with ''Film/SpiderManNoWayHome'' even somewhat implying Norman's time as Gobby was public knowledge after his death, though that's really a SeriesContinuityError, especially since Aunt May clearly had no idea of this in the second movie) means his ''entire'' crusade against Peter was nothing but petty
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** Just how much of Harry's actions were influenced by his father and other misfortunes? It is worth noting that the novel heavily hints the Green Goblin's corruption was the key component to his growing insanity. In fact, in his lucid moments, he seems to be a pretty decent guy, especially since he ultimately saved Peter and MJ, whereas his father remained a pawn for the Green Goblin in the first movie.
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** While watching the symbiote take over his mind and make him turn into a jerk is heartbreaking, watching Peter stand up to those who gave him a hard time in the previous films is pretty satisfying to watch, especially the scene where Peter beats up Harry and tells him the truth about how his father never loved him.
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** Harry getting a sound reality check from Peterbeats up Harry under the symbiote's effects. The dude had a rough life and tells him the truth about how everything, but his father never loved him.smug attitude as a villain made it hard to feel too bad for him. At least until we see his face was scarred.
** Harry getting a sound reality check from Peter
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** While it showed Peter just how [[HeelRealization low Peter had been sinking]], there are those who felt Mary Jane's humiliation and accidental knock down at her job was something she deserved for cheating on Peter with Harry and then needlessly breaking his heart. That's not even getting into the lousy way she treated him in Film/SpiderMan2.
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** While it showed Peter just how [[HeelRealization low Peter had been sinking]], there are those who felt Mary Jane's humiliation and accidental knock down at her job was something she deserved for cheating on Peter with Harry and then needlessly breaking his heart. That's not even getting into the lousy way she treated him in Film/SpiderMan2. Film/SpiderMan2, as well as her flaky attitude towards her other love interests.
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* InformedWrongness: Peter calling Eddie out on using faked photos of Spider-Man was meant to be viewed as something wrong Peter did under the symbiote suit's influence. However, given how Eddie was using ''faked photos'', many fans felt Peter was very much justified in calling Eddie out.
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* InformedWrongness: Peter calling Eddie out on using faked photos of Spider-Man was meant to be viewed as something wrong Peter did under the symbiote suit's influence. However, given how Eddie was using ''faked photos'', many fans felt Peter was very much justified in calling Eddie out. That said, he did have a small KickTheDogMoment for breaking Eddie's camera, so maybe take with a small grain of salt.
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* TheScrappy: Harry's butler Bernard can be considered one since it was revealed that not only did he [[spoiler: know that Harry's father's death was an accident, but he didn't even bother telling Harry the truth until this film's ''climax'' for some reason.]] UnwittingInstigatorOfDoom right here, people! Of the ENTIRE. FRANCHISE. Though WordOfGod says [[spoiler: he wasn't really there in that scene, and Harry was just hallucinating him]].
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* TheScrappy: Harry's butler Bernard can be considered one since it was revealed that not only did he [[spoiler: know that Harry's father's death was an accident, but he didn't even bother telling Harry the truth until this film's ''climax'' for some reason.]] UnwittingInstigatorOfDoom right here, people! Of the ENTIRE. FRANCHISE. Though WordOfGod says [[spoiler: [[VoodooShark he wasn't really there in that scene, and Harry was just hallucinating him]].him]]]].
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** Peter telling Harry the AwfulTruth about how his father never loved him and thought of him as nothing but an embarrassment is well-deserved karma he had coming for how awfully he's been treating his ''so-called'' best friend and eagerness to help a mad scientist endanger millions of innocent citizens in the second film just based on his misguided yet selfish quest of revenge against Spider-Man.
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** Peter telling Harry the AwfulTruth about how his father never loved him and thought of him as nothing but an embarrassment is well-deserved karma he had coming for how awfully he's been treating his ''so-called'' best friend and eagerness to help a mad scientist endanger millions of innocent citizens in the second film just based on his misguided yet selfish still destructive quest of for revenge against Spider-Man.
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* UnintentionallySympathetic: Upon getting possessed by the symbiote, Peter starts turning into a {{Jerkass}} of the highest order. Granted, he went too far when he accidentally hits Mary Jane, but a lot of his other actions were very justifiable--he chews out his landlord for demanding rent when he refuses to fix his door (which he has every legal right to do), he exposes Eddie Brock (who's even more unpleasant) as a fraud for a serious breach of photojournalism ethics by doctoring stolen photos, and he stands up to his MeanBoss J Jonah Jameson and gets both a huge pay raise and a proper job so he can pay his bills properly. And Harry, his supposed "best friend" who's been blaming him for his father's death for years while being a whiny prick about it? Peter slaps the guy with some well deserved karma and a big old pumpkin bomb explosion right to his face, all while mocking how pathetic his obsession with killing Spider-Man is. Really, Peter's [[GrewASpine finally standing up for himself]] and not being an ExtremeDoormat to everyone.
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* UnintentionallySympathetic: Upon getting possessed by the symbiote, Peter starts turning into a {{Jerkass}} of the highest order. Granted, he went too far when he accidentally hits Mary Jane, but a lot of his other actions were very justifiable--he chews out his landlord for demanding rent when he refuses to fix his door (which he has every legal right to do), he exposes Eddie Brock (who's even more unpleasant) as a fraud for a serious breach of photojournalism ethics by doctoring stolen photos, and he stands up to his MeanBoss J Jonah Jameson and gets both a huge pay raise and a proper job so he can pay his bills properly. And Harry, his supposed "best friend" who's been blaming him for his father's death for years while being Harry receives a whiny prick about it? Peter slaps the guy with some pretty well deserved karma and a big old pumpkin bomb explosion right to his face, all while mocking how pathetic his obsession with killing Spider-Man is.beatdown from him as well. Really, Peter's [[GrewASpine finally standing up for himself]] and not being an ExtremeDoormat to everyone.
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*** It's also hard to believe that he would need to rob banks for money, since he has superpowers that would allow any normal person to easily get a fortune through legal means. Even when factoring in his criminal record, if a man can't get a pardon from the government by offering his services as a sand-controlling behemoth for various purposes (serving the army, fixing the environment, etc...), then he isn't even trying.
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** Harry's behavior throughout the last two films really comes under fire with the WordOfGod confirmation that the entire scene with his butler [[spoiler:was all in his head and seemingly knew that his father died of his own wounds this whole time]]. The fact that he knew this (with ''Film/SpiderManNoWayHome'' even somewhat implying Norman's time as Gobby was public knowledge after his death, though that's
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** Sandman. The guy just wants to get his daughter cured, and he doesn't want to hurt anybody else in the way, but things ''just never worked out for him.'' He sums it up well with "I'm not a bad person... I've just had really bad luck." And by the way, just to get a picture of how rough things are for this guy? He says this line ''before'' he becomes the Sandman.
** Mary Jane gets the worst of luck in this film; first, she gets bashed by critics on Broadway, and gets replaced. Then Harry blackmails her into breaking up with Peter, and is physically hurt and humiliated by Peter (when he's under the influence of the symbiote) in the Jazz Club, when he tries to make her jealous with Gwen, and even ends up hitting her on the jaw when she tries to break up a fight he's in.
** Sandman. The guy just wants to get his daughter cured, and he doesn't want to hurt anybody else in the way, but things ''just never worked out for him.'' He sums it up well with "I'm not a bad person... I've just had really bad luck." And by the way, just to get a picture of how rough things are for this guy? He says this line ''before'' he becomes the Sandman.
** Mary Jane gets the worst of luck in this film; first, she gets bashed by critics on Broadway, and gets replaced. Then Harry blackmails her into breaking up with Peter, and is physically hurt and humiliated by Peter (when he's under the influence of the symbiote) in the Jazz Club, when he tries to make her jealous with Gwen, and even ends up hitting her on the jaw when she tries to break up a fight he's in.
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* AccidentalAesop: In the [=PS2=] and Wii versions, a fully upgraded red suit is actually more powerful than the black suit, due to having more health and longer combos[[note]]especially in the PlayableEpilogue, as the black suit unlocked by collecting all spider emblems lacks a LimitBreak[[/note]]. In the long term, training your skills will eventually result in more personal growth than simply using a crutch and taking the easy route.
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* CompleteMonster: [[Characters/MarvelComicsEddieBrock Edward "Eddie" Brock Jr.]] is introduced as a [[ImmoralJournalist slimy rival]] to [[Characters/SpiderManTrilogySpiderMan Peter Parker]] for the Daily Bugle job, but [[FromNobodyToNightmare evolves into something truly wicked]] as the film goes on. Established as a selfish, creepy jerk who is obsessed with Gwen Stacy after just one coffee date, Brock is nonetheless eager to photograph her near-death experience to make a profit. After a failed attempt at framing Spider-Man as a criminal and praying for God to kill Peter for exposing this, Brock stumbles across [[Characters/MarvelComicsVenom the symbiote]] and merges with it to become Venom. Immediately trying to devour an entire street of civilians and cops in the tie-in comic ''The Black'', Venom stalks and nearly attacks Gwen in an attempt to make her "love" him, then kidnaps Mary Jane Watson to molest, torment, and use her as a hostage to lure Spider-Man out, planning to decide via coin flip whether he kills her while [[ForcedToWatch forcing Spider-Man to watch]], or does the inverse. Venom leads Sandman in slaughtering multiple teams of cops who try to rescue Mary Jane, and when Spider-Man finally shows up, Venom brutally beats him, tries to murder Mary Jane, and kills his best friend Harry as he watches. In a [[Film/SpiderManTrilogy trilogy]] populated with tragic, misguided [[Characters/SpiderManTrilogySupervillains antagonists]], Venom is a petty psychopath [[ItsAllAboutMe concerned only with himself]].
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* CompleteMonster: [[Characters/MarvelComicsEddieBrock Edward "Eddie" Brock Jr.]] after fusing with Venom. At first he is introduced as a [[ImmoralJournalist slimy rival]] to [[Characters/SpiderManTrilogySpiderMan Peter Parker]] for the Daily Bugle job, but [[FromNobodyToNightmare evolves into something truly wicked]] as the film goes on. Established as a selfish, creepy jerk who is obsessed with Gwen Stacy after just one coffee date, Brock is nonetheless eager to photograph her near-death experience to make a profit. After a failed attempt at framing Spider-Man as a criminal and praying for God to kill Peter for exposing this, Brock stumbles across [[Characters/MarvelComicsVenom the symbiote]] and merges with it to become Venom. Immediately trying to devour an entire street of civilians and cops in the tie-in comic ''The Black'', Venom stalks and nearly attacks Gwen in an attempt to make her "love" him, then kidnaps Mary Jane Watson to molest, torment, and use her as a hostage to lure Spider-Man out, planning to decide via coin flip whether he kills her while [[ForcedToWatch forcing Spider-Man to watch]], or does the inverse. Venom leads Sandman in slaughtering multiple teams of cops who try to rescue Mary Jane, and when Spider-Man finally shows up, Venom brutally beats him, tries to murder Mary Jane, and kills his best friend Harry as he watches. In a [[Film/SpiderManTrilogy trilogy]] populated with tragic, misguided [[Characters/SpiderManTrilogySupervillains antagonists]], Venom is a petty psychopath [[ItsAllAboutMe concerned only with himself]].
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** Harry's behavior throughout the last two films really comes under fire with the WordOfGod confirmation that the entire scene with his butler [[spoiler:was all in his head and seemingly knew that his father died of his own wounds this whole time]]. The fact that he knew this (with ''Film/SpiderManNoWayHome'' even somewhat implying Norman's time as Gobby was public knowledge after his death, though that's more of a ContinuityError) means his ''entire'' crusade against Peter was nothing but petty (since it was already likely [[GreenEyedMonster that his jealousy played]] [[InferioritySuperiorityComplex a part in it too]]), making the scene where "Bully Maguire" mocks Harry and blows up his arsenal of pumpkin bombs with him near it a well-earned dose of karma.
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** Harry's behavior throughout the last two films really comes under fire with the WordOfGod confirmation that the entire scene with his butler [[spoiler:was all in his head and seemingly knew that his father died of his own wounds this whole time]]. The fact that he knew this (with ''Film/SpiderManNoWayHome'' even somewhat implying Norman's time as Gobby was public knowledge after his death, though that's more of a ContinuityError) SeriesContinuityError) means his ''entire'' crusade against Peter was nothing but petty (since it was already likely [[GreenEyedMonster that his jealousy played]] [[InferioritySuperiorityComplex a part in it too]]), making the scene where "Bully Maguire" mocks Harry and blows up his arsenal of pumpkin bombs with him near it a well-earned dose of karma.
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** Harry's behavior throughout the last two films really comes under fire with the WordOfGod confirmation that the entire scene with his butler [[spoiler:was all in his head and seemingly knew that his father died of his own wounds this whole time]]. The fact that he knew this (with ''Film/SpiderManNoWayHome'' even somewhat implying Norman's time as Gobby was public knowledge after his death) means his ''entire'' crusade against Peter was nothing but petty (since it was already likely [[GreenEyedMonster that his jealousy played]] [[InferioritySuperiorityComplex a part in it too]]), making the scene where "Bully Maguire" mocks Harry and blows up his arsenal of pumpkin bombs with him near it a well-earned dose of karma.
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** Harry's behavior throughout the last two films really comes under fire with the WordOfGod confirmation that the entire scene with his butler [[spoiler:was all in his head and seemingly knew that his father died of his own wounds this whole time]]. The fact that he knew this (with ''Film/SpiderManNoWayHome'' even somewhat implying Norman's time as Gobby was public knowledge after his death) death, though that's more of a ContinuityError) means his ''entire'' crusade against Peter was nothing but petty (since it was already likely [[GreenEyedMonster that his jealousy played]] [[InferioritySuperiorityComplex a part in it too]]), making the scene where "Bully Maguire" mocks Harry and blows up his arsenal of pumpkin bombs with him near it a well-earned dose of karma.
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* AngstWhatAngst: In the [=PS2=] and Wii versions, nobody seems to bat an eye when [[spoiler:Harry]] gets killed. Somehow, it’s even weirder in the [[UsefulNotes/PlayStation3 PS3]], [[UsefulNotes/Xbox360 360]], and [[UsefulNotes/MicrosoftWindows PC]] editions where [[spoiler: he’s not only never seen again after getting clotheslined by Venom despite no clear signs he was just killed, it’s just before Spider-Man arrives back onto the fight against Venom, not even getting to see what happened to Harry.]]
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* AngstWhatAngst: In the [=PS2=] and Wii versions, nobody seems to bat an eye when [[spoiler:Harry]] gets killed. Somehow, it’s even weirder in the [[UsefulNotes/PlayStation3 [[Platform/PlayStation3 PS3]], [[UsefulNotes/Xbox360 [[Platform/Xbox360 360]], and [[UsefulNotes/MicrosoftWindows [[Platform/MicrosoftWindows PC]] editions where [[spoiler: he’s not only never seen again after getting clotheslined by Venom despite no clear signs he was just killed, it’s just before Spider-Man arrives back onto the fight against Venom, not even getting to see what happened to Harry.]]]]
* BrokenBase: Which version is better, the HD version released on seventh generation consoles and PC, or the downgraded SD version released on the sixth and Platform/PlayStationPortable? Those on the HD side will admit that even with all its faults, it's still more of the same seen with the second game with some interesting ideas that unfortunately didn't get the time it needed to cook, while fans of the SD side will quote that version having much more stable performances (simplicity aside) and a better structured narrative. This is more of a recent argument, given the sixth generation version became VindicatedByHistory.
* BrokenBase: Which version is better, the HD version released on seventh generation consoles and PC, or the downgraded SD version released on the sixth and Platform/PlayStationPortable? Those on the HD side will admit that even with all its faults, it's still more of the same seen with the second game with some interesting ideas that unfortunately didn't get the time it needed to cook, while fans of the SD side will quote that version having much more stable performances (simplicity aside) and a better structured narrative. This is more of a recent argument, given the sixth generation version became VindicatedByHistory.
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* CompleteMonster: In the [[UsefulNotes/PlayStation3 PS3]], [[UsefulNotes/Xbox360 360]], and [[UsefulNotes/MicrosoftWindows PC]] version of the game, [[CorruptCorporateExecutive Luke Carlyle]] is a former industrialist whose business crumbled after the Daily Bugle uncovered his corrupt practices. Seeking revenge against the city that ruined him, Carlyle adopted the identity of "Carlyle the MadBomber" and led a series of terrorist attacks across Manhattan. After destroying his old building, Carlyle had his men plant explosives throughout the city, focusing mostly on locations that would cause civilian casualties. When Spider-Man foils his plans, Carlyle launches an attack on the Daily Bugle and kidnaps J. Jonah Jameson. Carlyle places an [[ExplosiveLeash explosive collar]] around Jameson's neck and tosses him out of his helicopter in an attempt to kill him and Spider-Man. Carlyle ultimately escapes after Spider-Man takes out his helicopter, but not before [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness setting off the explosives he had rigged in each of his henchmen's suits]].
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* CompleteMonster: In the [[UsefulNotes/PlayStation3 [[Platform/PlayStation3 PS3]], [[UsefulNotes/Xbox360 [[Platform/Xbox360 360]], and [[UsefulNotes/MicrosoftWindows [[Platform/MicrosoftWindows PC]] version of the game, [[CorruptCorporateExecutive Luke Carlyle]] is a former industrialist whose business crumbled after the Daily Bugle uncovered his corrupt practices. Seeking revenge against the city that ruined him, Carlyle adopted the identity of "Carlyle the MadBomber" and led a series of terrorist attacks across Manhattan. After destroying his old building, Carlyle had his men plant explosives throughout the city, focusing mostly on locations that would cause civilian casualties. When Spider-Man foils his plans, Carlyle launches an attack on the Daily Bugle and kidnaps J. Jonah Jameson. Carlyle places an [[ExplosiveLeash explosive collar]] around Jameson's neck and tosses him out of his helicopter in an attempt to kill him and Spider-Man. Carlyle ultimately escapes after Spider-Man takes out his helicopter, but not before [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness setting off the explosives he had rigged in each of his henchmen's suits]].
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* OlderThanTheyThink: The portrayal of the symbiote as Peter's SuperpoweredEvilSide actually dates back to its appearance in the popular ''WesternAnimation/SpiderManTheAnimatedSeries'', 12 years before this movie came out. The symbiote there did make its wearer increasingly arrogant, aggressive, and violent.
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** The portrayal of the symbiote as Peter's SuperpoweredEvilSide actually dates back to its appearance in the popular ''WesternAnimation/SpiderManTheAnimatedSeries'', 12 years before this movie came out. The symbiote there did make its wearer increasingly arrogant, aggressive, andviolent.violent.
** While it's the first time the black suit gets a webbed pattern design until ''WesternAnimation/TheSpectacularSpiderMan'', this isn't the first time Venom gained a webbed pattern, with the symbiote forcibly bonding with an older Peter in the ''ComicBook/SpiderGirl'' comics.
** The portrayal of the symbiote as Peter's SuperpoweredEvilSide actually dates back to its appearance in the popular ''WesternAnimation/SpiderManTheAnimatedSeries'', 12 years before this movie came out. The symbiote there did make its wearer increasingly arrogant, aggressive, and
** While it's the first time the black suit gets a webbed pattern design until ''WesternAnimation/TheSpectacularSpiderMan'', this isn't the first time Venom gained a webbed pattern, with the symbiote forcibly bonding with an older Peter in the ''ComicBook/SpiderGirl'' comics.
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** Although it results in a TearJerker and an ArmorPiercingQuestion, Mary Jane getting accidentally shoved to the ground by Peter while fighting off some bouncers induces this feeling for those who thought that the whiny red-haired deserved it for [[NoSympathy being neglectful and indiffirent]] to the hell Peter has been through in the previous film, especially struggling to balance his personal responsibilites and those as the crawl-climbing hero everyone loves, all because Peter failed to attend her play for once. Also, for how hypocritical she was behaving towards Peter after seeing him (as Spider-Man) and Gwen (of whom she also learns is Peter's college classmate) doing the iconic upside-down kiss in front of a large crowd, even though she ''technically'' cheated on Peter with Harry later on, and having the gall to say that it was "our kiss".
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** Although it results in a TearJerker and an ArmorPiercingQuestion, ArmorPiercingQuestion ([[MyGodWhatHaveIDone and a horrifying realization of what he has become]]), Mary Jane getting accidentally shoved to the ground by Peter while fighting off some bouncers induces this feeling for those who thought that the whiny red-haired deserved it for [[NoSympathy being neglectful and indiffirent]] neglectful]] to the hell Peter has been through in the previous film, especially struggling to balance his personal responsibilites and those as the crawl-climbing hero everyone loves, a superhero, all because Peter failed to attend her play for once. play. Also, for how hypocritical she was behaving towards being to Peter after seeing him (as Spider-Man) and Gwen (of whom she also learns is Peter's his college classmate) doing the iconic upside-down kiss in front of a large crowd, even though she ''technically'' cheated on Peter with Harry later on, and having the gall to say that it was "our kiss".
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** Peter telling Harry the AwfulTruth about how his father never loved him and thought of him as nothing but an embarrassment is well-deserved karma he had coming for how awfully he's been treating his ''so-called'' best friend and eagerness to help a mad scientist endanger millions of innocent citizens in the second film just based on his misguided quest of revenge against Spider-Man.
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** Peter telling Harry the AwfulTruth about how his father never loved him and thought of him as nothing but an embarrassment is well-deserved karma he had coming for how awfully he's been treating his ''so-called'' best friend and eagerness to help a mad scientist endanger millions of innocent citizens in the second film just based on his misguided yet selfish quest of revenge against Spider-Man.
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** Although it results in a TearJerker and an ArmorPiercingQuestion, Mary Jane getting accidentally shoved to the ground by Peter while fighting off some bouncers induces this feeling for those who thought that the whiny red-haired deserved it for [[NoSympathy being neglectful and indiffirent]] to the hell Peter has been through in the previous film, especially struggling to balance his personal responsibilites and those as the crawl-climbing hero everyone loves, all because Peter failed to attend her play for once. Also, for how hypocritical she was being ro Peter after seeing him (as Spider-Man) and Gwen (of whom she also learns is Peter's college classmate) doing the iconic upside-down kiss in front of a large crowd, even though she ''technically'' cheated on Peter with Harry later on, and having the gall to say that it was "our kiss".
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** Although it results in a TearJerker and an ArmorPiercingQuestion, Mary Jane getting accidentally shoved to the ground by Peter while fighting off some bouncers induces this feeling for those who thought that the whiny red-haired deserved it for [[NoSympathy being neglectful and indiffirent]] to the hell Peter has been through in the previous film, especially struggling to balance his personal responsibilites and those as the crawl-climbing hero everyone loves, all because Peter failed to attend her play for once. Also, for how hypocritical she was being ro behaving towards Peter after seeing him (as Spider-Man) and Gwen (of whom she also learns is Peter's college classmate) doing the iconic upside-down kiss in front of a large crowd, even though she ''technically'' cheated on Peter with Harry later on, and having the gall to say that it was "our kiss".
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** Although it results in a TearJerker and an ArmorPiercingQuestion, Mary Jane getting accidentally shoved to the ground by Peter while fighting off some bouncers induces this feeling for those who thought that the whiny red-haired deserved it for [[NoSympathy being neglectful and indiffirent]] to the hell Peter has been through in the previous film, especially struggling to balance his personal responsibilites and those as the crawl-climbing hero everyone loves, all because Peter failed attend her play. Also, for how hypocritical she was being ro Peter after seeing him (as Spider-Man) and Gwen (of whom she also learns is Peter's college classmate) doing the iconic upside-down kiss in front of a large crowd, even though she ''technically'' cheated on Peter with Harry later on, and having the gall to say that it was "our kiss".
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** Although it results in a TearJerker and an ArmorPiercingQuestion, Mary Jane getting accidentally shoved to the ground by Peter while fighting off some bouncers induces this feeling for those who thought that the whiny red-haired deserved it for [[NoSympathy being neglectful and indiffirent]] to the hell Peter has been through in the previous film, especially struggling to balance his personal responsibilites and those as the crawl-climbing hero everyone loves, all because Peter failed to attend her play.play for once. Also, for how hypocritical she was being ro Peter after seeing him (as Spider-Man) and Gwen (of whom she also learns is Peter's college classmate) doing the iconic upside-down kiss in front of a large crowd, even though she ''technically'' cheated on Peter with Harry later on, and having the gall to say that it was "our kiss".
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** Peter telling Harry the AwfulTruth about how his father never loved him and thought of him as nothing but an embarrassment is well-deserved karma he had coming for how awfully he's been treating his ''so-called'' best friend in the second film.
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** Peter telling Harry the AwfulTruth about how his father never loved him and thought of him as nothing but an embarrassment is well-deserved karma he had coming for how awfully he's been treating his ''so-called'' best friend and eagerness to help a mad scientist endanger millions of innocent citizens in the second film.film just based on his misguided quest of revenge against Spider-Man.
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** Although it results in a TearJerker and an ArmorPiercingQuestion, Mary Jane getting accidentally shoved to the ground by Peter while fighting off some bouncers induces this feeling for those who thought that the whiny red-haired deserved it for [[NoSympathy being neglectful and indiffirent]] to the hell Peter has been through in the previous film, especially struggling to balance his personal responsibilites and those as the crawl-climbing hero everyone loves. Also, for how hypocritical she was being after seeing Peter (as Spider-Man) and Gwen (of whom she also learns is Peter's college classmate) doing the iconic upside-down kiss in front of a large crowd, even though she ''technically'' cheated on Peter with Harry later on, and having the gall to say that it was "our kiss".
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** Although it results in a TearJerker and an ArmorPiercingQuestion, Mary Jane getting accidentally shoved to the ground by Peter while fighting off some bouncers induces this feeling for those who thought that the whiny red-haired deserved it for [[NoSympathy being neglectful and indiffirent]] to the hell Peter has been through in the previous film, especially struggling to balance his personal responsibilites and those as the crawl-climbing hero everyone loves. loves, all because Peter failed attend her play. Also, for how hypocritical she was being ro Peter after seeing Peter him (as Spider-Man) and Gwen (of whom she also learns is Peter's college classmate) doing the iconic upside-down kiss in front of a large crowd, even though she ''technically'' cheated on Peter with Harry later on, and having the gall to say that it was "our kiss".
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** Although it results in a TearJerker and an ArmorPiercingQuestion, Mary Jane getting accidentally shoved to the ground by Peter while fighting off some bouncers induces this feeling for those who thought that the red-haired deserved it for being somehow neglectful and indiffirent to the hell Peter has been through in the previous film, especially struggling to balance his personal responsibilites and those as the crawl-climbing hero everyone loves. Also, for how hypocritical she was being after seeing Peter (as Spider-Man) and Gwen (of whom she also learns is Peter's college classmate) doing the iconic upside-down kiss in front of a large crowd, even though she ''technically'' cheated on Peter with Harry later on, and having the gall to say that it was "our kiss".
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** Although it results in a TearJerker and an ArmorPiercingQuestion, Mary Jane getting accidentally shoved to the ground by Peter while fighting off some bouncers induces this feeling for those who thought that the whiny red-haired deserved it for [[NoSympathy being somehow neglectful and indiffirent indiffirent]] to the hell Peter has been through in the previous film, especially struggling to balance his personal responsibilites and those as the crawl-climbing hero everyone loves. Also, for how hypocritical she was being after seeing Peter (as Spider-Man) and Gwen (of whom she also learns is Peter's college classmate) doing the iconic upside-down kiss in front of a large crowd, even though she ''technically'' cheated on Peter with Harry later on, and having the gall to say that it was "our kiss".
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** Although it quickly results in a TearJerker and an ArmorPiercingQuestion, Mary Jane getting accidentally shoved to the ground by Peter while fighting off some bouncers induces this feeling for those who thought that the red-haired deserved it for being somehow neglectful and indiffirent to the hell Peter has been through in the previous film, especially struggling to balance his personal responsibilites and those as the crawl-climbing hero everyone loves. Also, for how hypocritical she was being after seeing Peter (as Spider-Man) and Gwen (of whom she also learns is Peter's college classmate) doing the iconic upside-down kiss in front of a large crowd, even though she ''technically'' cheated on Peter with Harry later on, and having the gall to say that it was "our kiss".
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** Although it quickly results in a TearJerker and an ArmorPiercingQuestion, Mary Jane getting accidentally shoved to the ground by Peter while fighting off some bouncers induces this feeling for those who thought that the red-haired deserved it for being somehow neglectful and indiffirent to the hell Peter has been through in the previous film, especially struggling to balance his personal responsibilites and those as the crawl-climbing hero everyone loves. Also, for how hypocritical she was being after seeing Peter (as Spider-Man) and Gwen (of whom she also learns is Peter's college classmate) doing the iconic upside-down kiss in front of a large crowd, even though she ''technically'' cheated on Peter with Harry later on, and having the gall to say that it was "our kiss".
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** Although it quickly results in a TearJerker and an ArmorPiercingQuestion, Mary Jane getting accidentally shoved to the ground by Peter while fighting off some bouncers induces this feeling for those who thought that the red-haired deserved it for being somehow neglectful and indiffirent to the hell Peter has been through in the previous film, especially struggling to balance his personal responsibilites and those as the crawl-climbing hero everyone loves. Also, for how hypocritical she was being after seeing Peter (as Spider-Man) and Gwen doing the iconic upside-down kiss in front of a large crowd, even though she ''techincally'' cheated on Peter with Harry, and having the gall to say that it was "our kiss".
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** Although it quickly results in a TearJerker and an ArmorPiercingQuestion, Mary Jane getting accidentally shoved to the ground by Peter while fighting off some bouncers induces this feeling for those who thought that the red-haired deserved it for being somehow neglectful and indiffirent to the hell Peter has been through in the previous film, especially struggling to balance his personal responsibilites and those as the crawl-climbing hero everyone loves. Also, for how hypocritical she was being after seeing Peter (as Spider-Man) and Gwen (of whom she also learns is Peter's college classmate) doing the iconic upside-down kiss in front of a large crowd, even though she ''techincally'' ''technically'' cheated on Peter with Harry, Harry later on, and having the gall to say that it was "our kiss".
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** Peter telling Harry the AwfulTruth about how his father never loved him and thought of him as nothing but an embarrassment is well-deserved karma he had coming for how awfully he's been treating his ''so-called'' best friend in the second film.
** Also, Peter demanding Jameson to give him a pay raise in a much more confident and cocky tone can come off as awesome for those who couldn't stand both his petty hatred against Spider-Man and poor treatment of one of his few (if not) responsible competent employees.
** Although it quickly results in a TearJerker and an ArmorPiercingQuestion, Mary Jane getting accidentally shoved to the ground by Peter while fighting off some bouncers induces this feeling for those who thought that the red-haired deserved it for being somehow neglectful and indiffirent to the hell Peter has been through in the previous film, especially struggling to balance his personal responsibilites and those as the crawl-climbing hero everyone loves. Also, for how hypocritical she was being after seeing Peter (as Spider-Man) and Gwen doing the iconic upside-down kiss in front of a large crowd, even though she ''techincally'' cheated on Peter with Harry, and having the gall to say that it was "our kiss".
** Peter telling Harry the AwfulTruth about how his father never loved him and thought of him as nothing but an embarrassment is well-deserved karma he had coming for how awfully he's been treating his ''so-called'' best friend in the second film.
** Also, Peter demanding Jameson to give him a pay raise in a much more confident and cocky tone can come off as awesome for those who couldn't stand both his petty hatred against Spider-Man and poor treatment of one of his few (if not) responsible competent employees.
** Although it quickly results in a TearJerker and an ArmorPiercingQuestion, Mary Jane getting accidentally shoved to the ground by Peter while fighting off some bouncers induces this feeling for those who thought that the red-haired deserved it for being somehow neglectful and indiffirent to the hell Peter has been through in the previous film, especially struggling to balance his personal responsibilites and those as the crawl-climbing hero everyone loves. Also, for how hypocritical she was being after seeing Peter (as Spider-Man) and Gwen doing the iconic upside-down kiss in front of a large crowd, even though she ''techincally'' cheated on Peter with Harry, and having the gall to say that it was "our kiss".
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* AccidentalAesop: Although Emo Peter/Bully Maguire is meant to display Peter’s “evil” side, his scene with Eddie at the Bugle shows that sometimes, gaining a bit if confidence and standing up for yourself can be a good thing.
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* AccidentalAesop: Although Emo Peter/Bully Maguire is meant to display Peter’s “evil” side, his scene with Eddie at the Bugle shows that sometimes, gaining a bit if of confidence and standing up for yourself can be a good thing.
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* AccidentalAesop: Although Emo Peter/Bully Maguire is meant to display Peter’s “evil” side, his scene with Eddie at the Bugle shows that sometimes, gaining a bit if confidence and standing up for yourself can be a good thing.
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* MemeticLoser: This film has two major contenders for the spot. One is [[FanNickname "emo" Peter Parker]] (aka Peter Parker under the symbiote's influence), mainly because of his cringeworthy... everything really, from his ridiculous new hairstyle to his laughable dance moves. The other contender is Eddie Brock, due to being a whiny loser ManChild in this adaptation, which is not helped by being nothing like his comic book counterpart physically either because he was [[WTHCastingAgency played by Topher Grace]]. Surprisingly, the symbiote is the common denominator between these two doofuses, almost as if it has an affinity for memetic losers despite being EvilIsCool on its own.
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* MemeticLoser: This film has two major contenders for the spot. One is [[FanNickname "emo" Peter Parker]] (aka Peter Parker under the symbiote's influence), mainly because of his cringeworthy... everything really, from his ridiculous new hairstyle to his laughable dance moves. The other contender is Eddie Brock, due to being a whiny loser ManChild in this adaptation, which is not helped by being nothing like his comic book counterpart physically either because he was [[WTHCastingAgency [[QuestionableCasting played by Topher Grace]]. Surprisingly, the symbiote is the common denominator between these two doofuses, almost as if it has an affinity for memetic losers despite being EvilIsCool on its own.
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** With [[AdvertisedExtra very little screentime]] and a [[WTHCastingAgency questionable casting choice]], the general consensus is that Venom was completely wasted when a whole separate movie could have been made around him. In fact, this ''was'' originally the plan, for the movie to be released in two parts, with the second one being very Venom-focused, but Raimi disliked the character serving in any capacity, either as a villain or as anti-hero. The resulting compromise ([[GoldenMeanFallacy Raimi didn't want to use the villain Avi Arad wanted, and Arad still wanted Raimi to continue as did the cast]]) led to Venom being hastily introduced and underused due to Raimi's lack of passion for the character, the planned second film never getting anywhere for at least 10 more years, and the most iconic screen version of Spider-Man's mythos failing to get a proper conclusion. This ends up being [[HilariousInHindsight hilarious]] (or [[HarsherInHindsight harsher]]) in hindsight since two-part movies would become in vogue just a few years later after the ''Film/HarryPotter'' film series did it, and of course ''Film/Venom2018'' turned out to be, unexpectedly, Sony's biggest commercial success with the Spider-Man property since ''3''.
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** With [[AdvertisedExtra very little screentime]] and a [[WTHCastingAgency questionable casting choice]], QuestionableCasting choice, the general consensus is that Venom was completely wasted when a whole separate movie could have been made around him. In fact, this ''was'' originally the plan, for the movie to be released in two parts, with the second one being very Venom-focused, but Raimi disliked the character serving in any capacity, either as a villain or as anti-hero. The resulting compromise ([[GoldenMeanFallacy Raimi didn't want to use the villain Avi Arad wanted, and Arad still wanted Raimi to continue as did the cast]]) led to Venom being hastily introduced and underused due to Raimi's lack of passion for the character, the planned second film never getting anywhere for at least 10 more years, and the most iconic screen version of Spider-Man's mythos failing to get a proper conclusion. This ends up being [[HilariousInHindsight hilarious]] (or [[HarsherInHindsight harsher]]) in hindsight since two-part movies would become in vogue just a few years later after the ''Film/HarryPotter'' film series did it, and of course ''Film/Venom2018'' turned out to be, unexpectedly, Sony's biggest commercial success with the Spider-Man property since ''3''.
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* QuestionableCasting: General consensus is that Creator/TopherGrace wasn't a very good cast for Venom. WordOfGod says that Topher was cast because Raimi enjoyed his acting and thought he'd make a perfect [[EvilCounterpart Anti-Peter Parker.]] Basically, the casting was more about this version of Eddie Brock than it was about Venom -- which didn't work out for them in terms of fan reaction, as most fans either don't really care about the Eddie Brock part of Venom, or think that the usual version of Eddie Brock is much more interesting, at least after his CharacterDevelopment and in the [[WesternAnimation/SpiderManTheAnimatedSeries animated]] [[WesternAnimation/TheSpectacularSpiderMan adaptations.]] Even ''[[https://screenrant.com/topher-grace-venom-cast-surprise-sony/ Grace himself]]'' went on to state that he was surprised he was cast in the role.
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* WTHCastingAgency: General consensus is that Creator/TopherGrace wasn't a very good cast for Venom. WordOfGod says that Topher was cast because Raimi enjoyed his acting and thought he'd make a perfect [[EvilCounterpart Anti-Peter Parker.]] Basically, the casting was more about this version of Eddie Brock than it was about Venom -- which didn't work out for them in terms of fan reaction, as most fans either don't really care about the Eddie Brock part of Venom, or think that the usual version of Eddie Brock is much more interesting, at least after his CharacterDevelopment and in the [[WesternAnimation/SpiderManTheAnimatedSeries animated]] [[WesternAnimation/TheSpectacularSpiderMan adaptations.]] Even ''[[https://screenrant.com/topher-grace-venom-cast-surprise-sony/ Grace himself]]'' went on to state that he was surprised he was cast in the role.
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* CompleteMonster: [[Characters/VenomEddieBrock Edward "Eddie" Brock Jr.]] is introduced as a [[ImmoralJournalist slimy rival]] to [[Characters/SpiderManTrilogySpiderMan Peter Parker]] for the Daily Bugle job, but [[FromNobodyToNightmare evolves into something truly wicked]] as the film goes on. Established as a selfish, creepy jerk who is obsessed with Gwen Stacy after just one coffee date, Brock is nonetheless eager to photograph her near-death experience to make a profit. After a failed attempt at framing Spider-Man as a criminal and praying for God to kill Peter for exposing this, Brock stumbles across [[Characters/MarvelComicsVenom the symbiote]] and merges with it to become Venom. Immediately trying to devour an entire street of civilians and cops in the tie-in comic ''The Black'', Venom stalks and nearly attacks Gwen in an attempt to make her "love" him, then kidnaps Mary Jane Watson to molest, torment, and use her as a hostage to lure Spider-Man out, planning to decide via coin flip whether he kills her while [[ForcedToWatch forcing Spider-Man to watch]], or does the inverse. Venom leads Sandman in slaughtering multiple teams of cops who try to rescue Mary Jane, and when Spider-Man finally shows up, Venom brutally beats him, tries to murder Mary Jane, and kills his best friend Harry as he watches. In a [[Film/SpiderManTrilogy trilogy]] populated with tragic, misguided [[Characters/SpiderManTrilogySupervillains antagonists]], Venom is a petty psychopath [[ItsAllAboutMe concerned only with himself]].
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* CompleteMonster: [[Characters/VenomEddieBrock [[Characters/MarvelComicsEddieBrock Edward "Eddie" Brock Jr.]] is introduced as a [[ImmoralJournalist slimy rival]] to [[Characters/SpiderManTrilogySpiderMan Peter Parker]] for the Daily Bugle job, but [[FromNobodyToNightmare evolves into something truly wicked]] as the film goes on. Established as a selfish, creepy jerk who is obsessed with Gwen Stacy after just one coffee date, Brock is nonetheless eager to photograph her near-death experience to make a profit. After a failed attempt at framing Spider-Man as a criminal and praying for God to kill Peter for exposing this, Brock stumbles across [[Characters/MarvelComicsVenom the symbiote]] and merges with it to become Venom. Immediately trying to devour an entire street of civilians and cops in the tie-in comic ''The Black'', Venom stalks and nearly attacks Gwen in an attempt to make her "love" him, then kidnaps Mary Jane Watson to molest, torment, and use her as a hostage to lure Spider-Man out, planning to decide via coin flip whether he kills her while [[ForcedToWatch forcing Spider-Man to watch]], or does the inverse. Venom leads Sandman in slaughtering multiple teams of cops who try to rescue Mary Jane, and when Spider-Man finally shows up, Venom brutally beats him, tries to murder Mary Jane, and kills his best friend Harry as he watches. In a [[Film/SpiderManTrilogy trilogy]] populated with tragic, misguided [[Characters/SpiderManTrilogySupervillains antagonists]], Venom is a petty psychopath [[ItsAllAboutMe concerned only with himself]].
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* CompleteMonster: [[Characters/VenomEddieBrock Edward "Eddie" Brock Jr.]] is introduced as a [[ImmoralJournalist slimy rival]] to [[Characters/SpiderManTrilogySpiderMan Peter Parker]] for the Daily Bugle job, but [[FromNobodyToNightmare evolves into something truly wicked]] as the film goes on. Established as a selfish, creepy jerk who is obsessed with Gwen Stacy after just one coffee date, Brock is nonetheless eager to photograph her near-death experience to make a profit. After a failed attempt at framing Spider-Man as a criminal and praying for God to kill Peter for exposing this, Brock stumbles across [[Characters/VenomTheSymbiote the symbiote]] and merges with it to become Venom. Immediately trying to devour an entire street of civilians and cops in the tie-in comic ''The Black'', Venom stalks and nearly attacks Gwen in an attempt to make her "love" him, then kidnaps Mary Jane Watson to molest, torment, and use her as a hostage to lure Spider-Man out, planning to decide via coin flip whether he kills her while [[ForcedToWatch forcing Spider-Man to watch]], or does the inverse. Venom leads Sandman in slaughtering multiple teams of cops who try to rescue Mary Jane, and when Spider-Man finally shows up, Venom brutally beats him, tries to murder Mary Jane, and kills his best friend Harry as he watches. In a [[Film/SpiderManTrilogy trilogy]] populated with tragic, misguided [[Characters/SpiderManTrilogySupervillains antagonists]], Venom is a petty psychopath [[ItsAllAboutMe concerned only with himself]].
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* CompleteMonster: [[Characters/VenomEddieBrock Edward "Eddie" Brock Jr.]] is introduced as a [[ImmoralJournalist slimy rival]] to [[Characters/SpiderManTrilogySpiderMan Peter Parker]] for the Daily Bugle job, but [[FromNobodyToNightmare evolves into something truly wicked]] as the film goes on. Established as a selfish, creepy jerk who is obsessed with Gwen Stacy after just one coffee date, Brock is nonetheless eager to photograph her near-death experience to make a profit. After a failed attempt at framing Spider-Man as a criminal and praying for God to kill Peter for exposing this, Brock stumbles across [[Characters/VenomTheSymbiote [[Characters/MarvelComicsVenom the symbiote]] and merges with it to become Venom. Immediately trying to devour an entire street of civilians and cops in the tie-in comic ''The Black'', Venom stalks and nearly attacks Gwen in an attempt to make her "love" him, then kidnaps Mary Jane Watson to molest, torment, and use her as a hostage to lure Spider-Man out, planning to decide via coin flip whether he kills her while [[ForcedToWatch forcing Spider-Man to watch]], or does the inverse. Venom leads Sandman in slaughtering multiple teams of cops who try to rescue Mary Jane, and when Spider-Man finally shows up, Venom brutally beats him, tries to murder Mary Jane, and kills his best friend Harry as he watches. In a [[Film/SpiderManTrilogy trilogy]] populated with tragic, misguided [[Characters/SpiderManTrilogySupervillains antagonists]], Venom is a petty psychopath [[ItsAllAboutMe concerned only with himself]].
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* ImprovedByTheReCut: The film had an altered yet shorter and improved version called ''Spider-Man 3: Editor's Cut'' with restored music and a better focus on character development. It cuts out the much-panned scene where Harry's butler convinces Harry to help Peter save MJ by [[NowYouTellMe only just NOW revealing to him that he had proof of Norman dying by his own hand]], and instead has Harry make his choice all by himself ([[WordOfGod which apparently was what happened anyway]] [[AFormYouAreComfortableWith because he was just hallucinating his butler]]), making his role in the film's climax much more powerful. It reinforces the belief many hold that there ''is'' a good movie buried inside here, it just got bogged down with all the ExecutiveMeddling.
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* ImprovedByTheReCut: The film had an altered yet shorter and improved version called ''Spider-Man 3: Editor's Cut'' with restored music and a better focus on character development. It cuts out the much-panned scene where Harry's butler convinces Harry to help Peter save MJ by [[NowYouTellMe only just NOW revealing to him that he had proof of Norman dying by his own hand]], and instead has Harry make his choice all by himself ([[WordOfGod which was apparently was what happened anyway]] [[AFormYouAreComfortableWith because he was just hallucinating his butler]]), making his role in the film's climax much more powerful. It reinforces the belief many hold that there ''is'' a good movie buried inside here, it just got bogged down with all the ExecutiveMeddling.
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* ImprovedByTheReCut: The film had an altered yet shorter and improved version called ''Spider-Man 3: Editor's Cut'' with restored music and a better focus on character development. It cuts out the much-panned scene where Harry's butler convinces Harry to help Peter save MJ by [[NowYouTellMe only just NOW revealing to him that he had proof of Norman dying by his own hand]], and instead has Harry make his choice all by himself ([[WordOfGod which apparently happened anyway]] [[AFormYouAreComfortableWith because he was just hallucinating his butler]]), making his role in the film's climax much more powerful. It reinforces the belief many hold that there ''is'' a good movie buried inside here, it just got bogged down with all the ExecutiveMeddling.
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* ImprovedByTheReCut: The film had an altered yet shorter and improved version called ''Spider-Man 3: Editor's Cut'' with restored music and a better focus on character development. It cuts out the much-panned scene where Harry's butler convinces Harry to help Peter save MJ by [[NowYouTellMe only just NOW revealing to him that he had proof of Norman dying by his own hand]], and instead has Harry make his choice all by himself ([[WordOfGod which apparently was what happened anyway]] [[AFormYouAreComfortableWith because he was just hallucinating his butler]]), making his role in the film's climax much more powerful. It reinforces the belief many hold that there ''is'' a good movie buried inside here, it just got bogged down with all the ExecutiveMeddling.
