History YMMV / SpiderMan3

14th Mar '17 6:38:04 AM PeaceAndLove
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** Also, Spidey landing in front of a giant, lit up American flag. Eyes were rolled.
10th Mar '17 4:15:05 AM NightShade96
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!!The film



* CompleteMonster: In the [[UsefulNotes/PlayStation3 PS3]], [[UsefulNotes/Xbox360 360]], and [[UsefulNotes/MicrosoftWindows PC]] version of the game, [[CorruptCorporateExecutive Luke Carlyle]] is a former industrialist whose business crumbled after the Daily Bugle uncovered his corrupt practices. Seeking revenge against the city that ruined him, Carlyle adopted the identity of "Carlyle the MadBomber" and led a series of terrorist attacks across Manhattan. After destroying his old building, Carlyle had his men plant explosives throughout the city, focusing mostly on locations that would cause civilian casualties. When Spider-Man foils his plans, Carlyle launches an attack on the Daily Bugle and kidnaps J. Jonah Jameson. Carlyle places an [[ExplosiveLeash explosive collar]] around Jameson's neck and tosses him out of his helicopter in an attempt to kill him and Spider-Man. Carlyle ultimately escapes after Spider-Man takes out his helicopter, but not before [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness setting off the explosives he had rigged in each of his henchmen's suits]].
* ContestedSequel:
** One of the most definitive examples of the trope. It became the highest-grossing ''Spider-Man'' movie, but still earned lots of dissers, particularly among the fanbase. Critics considered it a blatant case of {{sequelitis}}, [[http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/spiderman_3/ but its overall reception was mixed-to-positive]]. In general, most can agree it's the weakest installment of the trilogy, but the divide lies in whether or not it's because the quality is actually "bad."
** The games were no better either, considering they were made to tie in with this film just like the previous 2. Unlike ''Spider-Man 2'', the games had ridiculous amounts of PressXToNotDie to an infuriating degree, especially the unforgiving final boss fight.

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* CompleteMonster: In the [[UsefulNotes/PlayStation3 PS3]], [[UsefulNotes/Xbox360 360]], and [[UsefulNotes/MicrosoftWindows PC]] version of the game, [[CorruptCorporateExecutive Luke Carlyle]] is a former industrialist whose business crumbled after the Daily Bugle uncovered his corrupt practices. Seeking revenge against the city that ruined him, Carlyle adopted the identity of "Carlyle the MadBomber" and led a series of terrorist attacks across Manhattan. After destroying his old building, Carlyle had his men plant explosives throughout the city, focusing mostly on locations that would cause civilian casualties. When Spider-Man foils his plans, Carlyle launches an attack on the Daily Bugle and kidnaps J. Jonah Jameson. Carlyle places an [[ExplosiveLeash explosive collar]] around Jameson's neck and tosses him out of his helicopter in an attempt to kill him and Spider-Man. Carlyle ultimately escapes after Spider-Man takes out his helicopter, but not before [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness setting off the explosives he had rigged in each of his henchmen's suits]].
* ContestedSequel:
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ContestedSequel: One of the most definitive examples of the trope. It became the highest-grossing ''Spider-Man'' movie, but still earned lots of dissers, particularly among the fanbase. Critics considered it a blatant case of {{sequelitis}}, [[http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/spiderman_3/ but its overall reception was mixed-to-positive]]. In general, most can agree it's the weakest installment of the trilogy, but the divide lies in whether or not it's because the quality is actually "bad."
** The games were no better either, considering they were made to tie in with this film just like the previous 2. Unlike ''Spider-Man 2'', the games had ridiculous amounts of PressXToNotDie to an infuriating degree, especially the unforgiving final boss fight.
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!!The video game
* CompleteMonster: In the [[UsefulNotes/PlayStation3 PS3]], [[UsefulNotes/Xbox360 360]], and [[UsefulNotes/MicrosoftWindows PC]] version of the game, [[CorruptCorporateExecutive Luke Carlyle]] is a former industrialist whose business crumbled after the Daily Bugle uncovered his corrupt practices. Seeking revenge against the city that ruined him, Carlyle adopted the identity of "Carlyle the MadBomber" and led a series of terrorist attacks across Manhattan. After destroying his old building, Carlyle had his men plant explosives throughout the city, focusing mostly on locations that would cause civilian casualties. When Spider-Man foils his plans, Carlyle launches an attack on the Daily Bugle and kidnaps J. Jonah Jameson. Carlyle places an [[ExplosiveLeash explosive collar]] around Jameson's neck and tosses him out of his helicopter in an attempt to kill him and Spider-Man. Carlyle ultimately escapes after Spider-Man takes out his helicopter, but not before [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness setting off the explosives he had rigged in each of his henchmen's suits]].
* ContestedSequel: The games were no better than the film in this regard, considering that they were made to tie in with this film, just like the previous two. Unlike ''Spider-Man 2'', the games had ridiculous amounts of PressXToNotDie to an infuriating degree, especially the unforgiving final boss fight.
10th Mar '17 4:03:04 AM NightShade96
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* IdiotPlot: Sam Raimi's biggest one since ''{{Film/A Simple Plan}}.'' This ''WebAnimation/HowItShouldHaveEnded'' [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoNgMVFQNBI episode]] sums much of it up.
** This was already bad in the previous film, but the fact that even after all the time between films, right after Harry found out Peter was Spider-Man, he still hasn't tried to take a moment to talk with the former. Yeah, at the beginning of the film we see Harry brushing him off, but what's really stopping Peter from simply swinging to Harry's penthouse and force him to talk? This isn't a simple misunderstanding on a game or a problem with dates, it's a matter of life and death, Peter is just not trying hard enough to solve the issue.
** Much of the tension could have been relieved if Mary-Jane just asked Peter "You ''do'' realize my role in the play was replaced, right?" Or if Peter would have taken a deep breath and talked things through with her after "killing" Harry. On the other hand, he was under the effects of the evil suit, but it felt like he forgot her entirely after getting his revenge.
** Don't forget the admittedly in-movie (but treading actual WhatAnIdiot territory) stupidity of, on a whim, [[spoiler:publicly giving an ''open-mouthed kiss'' to his lab partner at the same time he was still going steady with Mary-Jane. "Special kiss" in and of itself or not, and not even going into fidelity issues, it doesn't take a sociologist to realize that that is going to raise some hackles.]]
** Harry gets his memory back and then threatens Mary-Jane, telling her that he would hurt Peter unless she breaks up with him. Both Harry and Mary Jane somehow forget that Peter is just as strong as Harry, and has had ''far'' more experience dealing with superpowered people than Harry ever has. Mary-Jane proceeds to break up with Peter, and forgets to tell him that Harry got his memory back, is once again dangerous, and that he threatened her. This is made even worse by the fact that Harry was nowhere close enough to actually ''hear'' what they were saying to each other.
** Harry's butler tells Harry that Peter did not intentionally kill his father. Either the truth about Harry's father's death slipped his mind for several years, or the writers retro-actively made the butler an idiot to advance the plot, and make Harry and Peter friends again. (WordOfGod is that the butler in that particular scene is a hallucination, meant to parallel Harry's previous Norman Osborn hallucinations.) There's more to that whole sequence, though. The butler tells Harry that "[Norman's] wound came from his glider" and that "there's no question that he died by his own hand", but that's really no evidence of it. In fact, considering Harry's feeling towards Spider-Man, his natural first assumption would have been to think Spidey simply used the glider as a stabbing weapon to kill Norman.
** The scientists detect extra mass in their experiment (which has to take place in a pit open to the environment for some odd reason), but rather than actually go check, they assume it's a bird (what 200 lb bird are we talking about, exactly?) and keep going with the experiment. And what if it really was a bird? That would completely change the conditions of the experiment, which is supposed to be with sand, not with sand and the corpse of a bird. More to the point, what kind of experiment are they doing that doesn't require them to have cameras or sensors other than a scale (and apparently not a very precise one)? How are they going to corroborate that everything is going well if there's no observation?

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* IdiotPlot: Sam Raimi's biggest one since ''{{Film/A Simple Plan}}.'' This ''WebAnimation/HowItShouldHaveEnded'' [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoNgMVFQNBI episode]] sums much of it up.
** This was already bad in the previous film, but the fact that even after all the time between films, right after Harry found out Peter was Spider-Man, he still hasn't tried to take a moment to talk with the former. Yeah, at the beginning of the film we see Harry brushing him off, but what's really stopping Peter from simply swinging to Harry's penthouse and force him to talk? This isn't a simple misunderstanding on a game or a problem with dates, it's a matter of life and death, Peter is just not trying hard enough to solve the issue.
** Much of the tension could have been relieved if Mary-Jane just asked Peter "You ''do'' realize my role in the play was replaced, right?" Or if Peter would have taken a deep breath and talked things through with her after "killing" Harry. On the other hand, he was under the effects of the evil suit, but it felt like he forgot her entirely after getting his revenge.
** Don't forget the admittedly in-movie (but treading actual WhatAnIdiot territory) stupidity of, on a whim, [[spoiler:publicly giving an ''open-mouthed kiss'' to his lab partner at the same time he was still going steady with Mary-Jane. "Special kiss" in and of itself or not, and not even going into fidelity issues, it doesn't take a sociologist to realize that that is going to raise some hackles.]]
** Harry gets his memory back and then threatens Mary-Jane, telling her that he would hurt Peter unless she breaks up with him. Both Harry and Mary Jane somehow forget that Peter is just as strong as Harry, and has had ''far'' more experience dealing with superpowered people than Harry ever has. Mary-Jane proceeds to break up with Peter, and forgets to tell him that Harry got his memory back, is once again dangerous, and that he threatened her. This is made even worse by the fact that Harry was nowhere close enough to actually ''hear'' what they were saying to each other.
** Harry's butler tells Harry that Peter did not intentionally kill his father. Either the truth about Harry's father's death slipped his mind for several years, or the writers retro-actively made the butler an idiot to advance the plot, and make Harry and Peter friends again. (WordOfGod is that the butler in that particular scene is a hallucination, meant to parallel Harry's previous Norman Osborn hallucinations.) There's more to that whole sequence, though. The butler tells Harry that "[Norman's] wound came from his glider" and that "there's no question that he died by his
Has [[IdiotPlot/SpiderMan3 its own hand", but that's really no evidence of it. In fact, considering Harry's feeling towards Spider-Man, his natural first assumption would have been to think Spidey simply used the glider as a stabbing weapon to kill Norman.
** The scientists detect extra mass in their experiment (which has to take place in a pit open to the environment for some odd reason), but rather than actually go check, they assume it's a bird (what 200 lb bird are we talking about, exactly?) and keep going with the experiment. And what if it really was a bird? That would completely change the conditions of the experiment, which is supposed to be with sand, not with sand and the corpse of a bird. More to the point, what kind of experiment are they doing that doesn't require them to have cameras or sensors other than a scale (and apparently not a very precise one)? How are they going to corroborate that everything is going well if there's no observation?
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7th Feb '17 2:19:24 PM ThatTwerp
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-->'''Eddie''': Oh, you'd like that, wouldn't you...

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-->'''Eddie''': Oh, Oh you'd like that, wouldn't you...
7th Feb '17 2:12:29 PM ThatTwerp
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* AccidentalInnuendo: This brief exchange between Peter and Eddie:
-->'''Peter''': Eddie, the suit! You gotta take it off!
-->'''Eddie''': Oh, you'd like that, wouldn't you...
25th Jan '17 9:17:04 PM WJTaylor4
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* FamilyUnfriendlyAesop: One of the recurring criticisms of Raimi's trilogy was not capturing the humor of Peter as Spider-Man -- favoring slapstick sight gags and pratfalls over witty one liners (strange considering the memorable quips of Raimi's ''Army of Darkness'') -- nor capturing the way he gained confidence from his experiences as Spider-Man in his daily life, which the comics highlighted for years (when not showing how much his life sucked). By the time Peter finally starts to come out of his shell and show some confidence, complete with quipping, in this film it is treated negatively (even before he gets the evil suit), which almost seems to say "Don't grow up, don't take pride in your accomplishments, always remain the shy, mumbling, all-American apple pie-eating boy next door."

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* FamilyUnfriendlyAesop: One of the recurring criticisms of Raimi's trilogy was not capturing the humor of Peter as Spider-Man -- favoring slapstick sight gags and pratfalls over witty one liners (strange considering the memorable quips of Raimi's ''Army of Darkness'') -- nor capturing the way he gained confidence from his experiences as Spider-Man in his daily life, which the comics highlighted for years (when not showing how much his life sucked). By the time Peter finally starts to come out of his shell and show some confidence, complete with quipping, in this film it is treated negatively (even before he gets the evil suit), which almost seems to say "Don't grow up, don't take pride in your accomplishments, always remain the shy, mumbling, all-American apple pie-eating boy next door." Of course the intended message, which has always been Spider-Man's message, is to not let your sense of superiority and empowerment go to your head, otherwise you'll take the good things in your life for granted.
8th Jan '17 3:14:35 PM ACW
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* CompleteMonster: In the [[UsefulNotes/PlayStation3 PS3]], [[UsefulNotes/Xbox360 360]], and [[UsefulNotes/MicrosoftWindows PC]] version of the game, [[CorruptCorporateExecutive Luke Carlyle]] is a former industrialist whose business crumbled after the Daily Bugle uncovered his corrupt practices. Seeking revenge against the city that ruined him, Carlyle adopted the identity of a MadBomber and led a series of terrorist attacks across Manhattan. After destroying his old building, Carlyle had his men plant explosives throughout the city, focusing mostly on locations that would cause civilian casualties. When Spider-Man foils his plans, Carlyle launches an attack on the Daily Bugle and kidnaps J. Jonah Jameson. Carlyle places an [[ExplosiveLeash explosive collar]] around Jameson's neck and tosses him out of his helicopter in an attempt to kill him and Spider-Man. Carlyle ultimately escapes after Spider-Man takes out his helicopter, but not before [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness setting off the explosives he had rigged in each of his henchmen's suits]].

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* CompleteMonster: In the [[UsefulNotes/PlayStation3 PS3]], [[UsefulNotes/Xbox360 360]], and [[UsefulNotes/MicrosoftWindows PC]] version of the game, [[CorruptCorporateExecutive Luke Carlyle]] is a former industrialist whose business crumbled after the Daily Bugle uncovered his corrupt practices. Seeking revenge against the city that ruined him, Carlyle adopted the identity of a MadBomber "Carlyle the MadBomber" and led a series of terrorist attacks across Manhattan. After destroying his old building, Carlyle had his men plant explosives throughout the city, focusing mostly on locations that would cause civilian casualties. When Spider-Man foils his plans, Carlyle launches an attack on the Daily Bugle and kidnaps J. Jonah Jameson. Carlyle places an [[ExplosiveLeash explosive collar]] around Jameson's neck and tosses him out of his helicopter in an attempt to kill him and Spider-Man. Carlyle ultimately escapes after Spider-Man takes out his helicopter, but not before [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness setting off the explosives he had rigged in each of his henchmen's suits]].
8th Jan '17 1:37:27 PM ACW
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* CompleteMonster: In the [[UsefulNotes/PlayStation3 PS3]], [[UsefulNotes/Xbox360 360]], and [[UsefulNotes/MicrosoftWindows PC]] version of the game, [[CorruptCorporateExecutive Luke Carlyle]] is a former industrialist whose business crumbled after the Daily Bugle uncovered his corrupt practices. Seeking revenge against the city that ruined him, Carlyle adopted the identity of a MadBomber and led a series of terrorist attacks across Manhattan. After destroying his old building, Carlyle had his men plant explosives throughout the city, focusing mostly on locations that would cause civilian casualties. When Spider-Man foils his plans, Carlyle launches an attack on the Daily Bugle and kidnaps J. Jonah Jameson. Carlyle places an [[ExplosiveLeash explosive collar]] around Jameson's neck and tosses him out of his helicopter in an attempt to kill him and Spider-Man. Carlyle ultimately escapes after Spider-Man takes out his helicopter, but not before [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness setting off the explosives he had rigged in each of his henchmen's suits]].
27th Dec '16 12:48:00 AM NightShade96
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: With very little screentime and a [[WTHCastingAgency questionable casting choice]], the general consensus is that Venom was completely wasted when a whole separate movie could have been made around him.
** In fact, this ''was'' originally the plan, for the movie to be released in two parts, with the second one being very Venom-focused, but the studio didn't allow it. It's HarsherInHindsight now, since Hollywood is ''constantly'' releasing two-part movies these days.

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter:
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With [[AdvertisedExtra very little screentime screentime]] and a [[WTHCastingAgency questionable casting choice]], the general consensus is that Venom was completely wasted when a whole separate movie could have been made around him.
** *** In fact, this ''was'' originally the plan, for the movie to be released in two parts, with the second one being very Venom-focused, but the studio didn't allow it. It's HarsherInHindsight now, since Hollywood is ''constantly'' releasing two-part movies these days.
27th Dec '16 12:46:20 AM NightShade96
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* MoralEventHorizon: Venom crosses it when he [[spoiler:mortally wounds Harry Osborn in an attack meant for Peter, and clearly not giving a shit as he tosses him aside]].

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* MoralEventHorizon: MoralEventHorizon:
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Venom crosses it when he [[spoiler:mortally wounds Harry Osborn in an attack meant for Peter, and clearly not giving a shit as he tosses him aside]].



** Also Bryce Dallas Howard as Gwen Stacy, who could have left more of an impression and had more of a relationship with Peter and MJ had it not been for all the other characters and their arcs fighting for screentime.

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** Also Bryce Dallas Howard Creator/BryceDallasHoward as Gwen Stacy, who could have left more of an impression and had more of a relationship with Peter and MJ had it not been for all the other characters and their arcs fighting for screentime.
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