YMMV / Spider-Man 3


The film

  • Accidental Innuendo: This brief exchange between Peter and Venom/Eddie:
    Peter: Eddie, the suit! You gotta take it off!
    Eddie: Oh you'd like that, wouldn't you...
  • Author's Saving Throw: The Editor's Cut version of the movie outright cuts out the much-panned scene where Harry's butler convinces Harry to help Peter save MJ by only just NOW revealing to him that he had proof of Norman dying by his own hand, and instead has Harry make his choice all by himself, making his role in the film's climax much more powerful. This also might have happened anyway according to Word of God, as Harry was apparently hallucinating him being there as part of remembering the evidence and realizing the truth.
  • Awesome Music:
    • Christopher Young's rendition of Danny Elfman's theme for the film is excellent, being darker and more dramatic than the original, particularly after the 1:20 mark.
    • Sandman's theme is widely regarded as a beautiful piece of music.
    • Venom's theme. It's a brilliant dark parallel to Spider-Man's Leitmotifnote  - while Spidey's theme is heroic, often having a sense of tranquility and tragedy reflecting his Dark and Troubled Past, Venom's theme is dark and villainous, with a sense of anger and detest slowly rising, before culminating in a fit of rage - reflecting Venom's hatred towards Spider-Man after he humiliated Eddie and rejected the symbiote.
  • Better on DVD: The film had an altered yet shorter and improved version called Spider-Man 3: Editor's Cut with restored music and better focus on character development. It reinforces the belief many hold that there is a good movie buried inside here, it just got bogged down with all the Executive Meddling.
  • Big-Lipped Alligator Moment: The dance scene. Or anything that Emo Peter does between Dr. Connors trying to tell him the effects that bonding with the Symbiote might have on him and him striking MJ at the Jazz Club.
  • Broken Base: Want to start an argument? Ask if Peter's behavior under the symbiote's influence is bad or brilliant. Defenders claim that he's supposed to be super lame and just thinks he's being awesome, while detractors either take it at face value and/or cite the fact that the majority of characters respond positively to Peter's change like he's actually being cool. The editor's cut is also controversial in this regard as some hate that the "Emo Peter" montage was kept in at all, while others appreciate that it was given a darker context since it now immediately follows Peter throwing a bomb at Harry and hideously scarring him, emphasizing his sociopathic callousness as much as his geekiness.
  • Contested Sequel: One of the most definitive examples of the trope. It became the highest-grossing Spider-Man movie, but still earned lots of dissers, particularly among the fanbase. Critics considered it a blatant case of sequelitis, but its overall reception was mixed-to-positive. In general, most can agree it's the weakest installment of the trilogy, but the divide lies in whether or not it's because the quality is actually "bad."
  • Critical Dissonance: While it actually was divisive among critics, you'd be surprised that it has a 63% on Rotten Tomatoes, which means that most reviews were mixed to positive, with even the top critics giving it a 47% which is close to an even split. However, based on the hate it gets from fans, you'd think its score would be much, much lower.
  • Ensemble Darkhorse:
  • Evil Is Cool: Played with to the point of parody or deconstruction. Once Peter's bonded with the Venom symbiote, his moral restraint plummets, his feelings of aggression and confidence shoot through the roof and he adopts a dark, callous attitude and black leather wardrobe to match. However, since Peter is still, at heart, a lovable geek with no real idea what "cool" is, his new attitude's actually a goofily overdone caricature that draws eye-rolling disbelief from the people around him.
  • Evil Is Sexy: Played with. While Peter under the symbiote's influence isn't evil, he Took a Level in Jerkass, and has ladies falling over him.
  • Family-Unfriendly Aesop: One of the recurring criticisms of Raimi's trilogy was not capturing the humor of Peter as Spider-Man — favoring slapstick sight gags and pratfalls over witty one liners (strange considering the memorable quips of Raimi's Army of Darkness) — nor capturing the way he gained confidence from his experiences as Spider-Man in his daily life, which the comics highlighted for years (when not showing how much his life sucked). By the time Peter finally starts to come out of his shell and show some confidence, complete with quipping, in this film it is treated negatively (even before he gets the evil suit), which almost seems to say "Don't grow up, don't take pride in your accomplishments, always remain the shy, mumbling, all-American apple pie-eating boy next door." Of course the intended message, which has always been Spider-Man's message, is to not let your sense of superiority and empowerment go to your head, otherwise you'll take the good things in your life for granted.
  • Fan-Preferred Couple: Peter/Ursula, for those who prefer a Third-Option Love Interest rather than MJ or Gwen.
  • Fan Wank: A very common (and possibly canon) fan wank is that the "Emo Peter" scenes are supposed to be awkward and cringe-y because Peter isn't actually cool, he just thinks he is. This is supported by a few passersby on the street looking at Peter funny during his dance. It's also contradicted by the fact that at the dance club he's genuinely treated as being exactly as cool as he thinks.
  • Germans Love David Hasselhoff: 62% of the film's profits were made overseas rather than in its home country, in contrast to the previous two where only 50% and 52% respectively came from other countres.
  • Harsher in Hindsight: A major part of the film is Peter planning to proposing to Mary Jane. This was also released in the same year as One More Day, which ended the Peter/MJ marriage. Conversely...
  • Hilarious in Hindsight: The film ended with Harry dying. The aforementioned One More Day ended with Harry coming back from the dead.
  • Idiot Plot: The film has a bad enough case of this to have its its own page.
  • Memetic Mutation:
    • "It's so good."
    • Peter dancing in the middle of the street.
  • Moral Event Horizon:
    • Venom crosses it when he mortally wounds Harry Osborn in an attack meant for Peter, and clearly not giving a shit as he tosses him aside.
    • It could be argued that he already crossed the line of being sympathetic as Brock, when he prayed to God to kill Peter after Peter exposed Brock as a fraud.
  • Narm: Has its own page.
  • Never Live It Down: The first thing that anyone who hates the film will mention is the dance scene, which only lasted for a couple of minutes out of the movie.
  • One-Scene Wonder:
    • Before the film's release, Stan Lee considered his cameo in the movie to be his personal favorite up to that point.
    • This also applies to Venom, who appears in the movie for ten to fifteen minutes but does a lot in such a short time frame, not to mention that he has a memorable battle against Spider-Man.
    • Bryce Dallas Howard as Gwen Stacy does a pretty good job despite having a character so underused she was almost entirely redundant. One gets the impression she could have been a great love interest had there not been a dozen other competing plotlines and characters.
  • Rescued from the Scrappy Heap: Mary Jane for a number of people, for being a more sympathetic character, and actually doing something to help Peter even while being held in distress by Venom.
  • Romantic Plot Tumor: The film receives the most criticism on this count, since many fans felt that the second film was a fine conclusion to the romance. The fact that the film had three other major plotlines competing for screentime also caused problems. On the flip side, some thought the romance was better in the third film because it was more interesting to see Peter and MJ dealing with problems as a couple, rather than the first two's "Will They or Won't They??" drama that everyone knew the answer to.
  • Ron the Death Eater: Although being intentionally written to make bad and selfish choices, Mary Jane tends to get far more grief from certain fans even though literally every other character in the movie also makes bad and selfish choices. The whole point of the movie was that everyone's a sinner and that they must resolve to do better and forgive themselves and others, or else be destroyed by their own negative emotions.
  • The Scrappy:
    • A very weird case with Venom/Eddie Brock. Venom in himself is far from being a scrappy (quite the opposite actually), but his Eddie Brock alter-ego is disliked due to being a whiny, unscrupulous and generally unlikable person (in contrast to his much more sympathetic and physically impressive comic book counterpart) who really damages Venom's cool/threatening factor, especially when he constantly and needlessly shows his human face.
    • The annoying English newsreader who appears occasionally during the climax and could have easily been removed with no problems.
  • Sequelitis: The film is generally seen as the least effective installment in the series, few deny this. Whether or not it's actually good is what divides audiences, with critical and audience consensus according to Rottentomatoes.com being split right down the middle.
  • Suspiciously Similar Song: The section of James Brown's Drive That Funky Soul used for Peter's "cool" street strutting scene sounds like a variation on the classic 60's Spider-Man theme, which is probably the reason why they used it.
  • They Wasted a Perfectly Good Character: This ended up happening to multiple characters due to the producers trying to cram in too many characters in a limited screen time.
    • With very little screentime and a questionable casting choice, the general consensus is that Venom was completely wasted when a whole separate movie could have been made around him. In fact, this was originally the plan, for the movie to be released in two parts, with the second one being very Venom-focused, but the studio didn't allow it. This ends up being hilarious (or harsher) in hindsight due to the fact that two-part movies would become in vogue just a few years later after the Harry Potter series did it.
    • Bryce Dallas Howard as Gwen Stacy, who could have left more of an impression and had more of a relationship with Peter and MJ had it not been for all the other characters and their arcs fighting for screentime.
    • Not to mention Sandman, who had many of his character arc scenes deleted and his original, much more conclusive send-off changed to one that doesn't answer any questions as to what he's going to do now.
  • Took the Bad Film Seriously: This isn't as much a bad movie as it is a very divisive one, but it is a case where the technical achievements of the film overwhelmed the story. Regardless, most of the cast does a good job with the material they were given. Tobey Maguire continues to play Peter Parker with an earnest performance with an occasional side of Ham and Cheese when he plays the Symbiote-poisoned Peter. James Franco probably gives his best performance as Harry Osborn throughout the trilogy in this movie, and Thomas Haden Church was phenomenal as Sandman, lending a surprising amount of pathos to the role. Kirsten Dunst also does her best as Mary Jane Watson, even as the script calls for MJ to cheat on Peter with Harry. Only Topher Grace and J. K. Simmons really take advantage of the story's cheesiness, as they have way too much fun for the most part, and even that is downplayed for the latter, as while Mr. Simmons's primary motivation is money, he will give his all on whatever role he takes.
  • Tough Act to Follow: Spider-Man 3 had the unpleasant task of following up on the near-universally loved Spider-Man 2. It's an understatement to say that it wasn't able to meet that film's level.
  • Vindicated by History: While still highly polarizing, this movie has been treated with more leniency after The Amazing Spider-Man 2 was released to even worse reviews and became a Franchise Killer for the already-contested reboot series. It received further vindication in 2017 with the Editor's Cut release, which is widely considered to be superior to the original version of the movie.
  • Visual Effects of Awesome: Even several years on, the scene of the Sandman's 'birth' is still stellar to look at. A slow build, backed with an emotionally touching BGM, where the audience can see him gradually gain control of his powers and build his body back up.
  • What an Idiot:
    • Why exactly did Peter think it would be a smart idea to plant a big wet one on Gwen Stacy right in front of Mary Jane, in the exact same way as he first kissed Mary Jane in the first film no less?
    • What on Earth possessed Harry's butler to not tell him he knew Norman had been killed by his own glider before Harry decided to dedicate his life to vengeance against Spider-Man?
      • Word of God states that the butler, while a real person, was a hallucination in that scene, representing Harry's conscience... Yeah.
    • There's also Mary Jane going along with Harry's blackmail instead of just telling Peter (her very powerful superhero boyfriend) about Harry's amnesia recovery, especially considering that Harry was watching from a distance at the same place at the time!
    • Sandman could have gone to the military and offered his help in exchange for free health care for his family, same as any serving member. You know, in the Iraqi war. The one that was being fought in the desert. However, he's not exactly too bright, and may not have wanted to kill anyone again, even if they deserved it.
  • WTH, Casting Agency?: General consensus is that Topher Grace wasn't a very good cast for Venom. Word of God says that Topher was cast because Raimi enjoyed his acting and thought he'd make a perfect Anti-Peter Parker. Basically, the casting was more about this version of Eddie Brock than it was about Venom — which didn't work out for them in terms of fan reaction, as most fans either don't really care about the Eddie Brock part of Venom, or think that the usual version of Eddie Brock is much more interesting, at least after his Character Development and in the animated adaptations.
  • The Woobie: Sandman. The guy just wants to get his daughter cured, and he doesn't want to hurt anybody else in the way, but things just never worked out for him. He sums it up well with "I'm not a bad person... I've just had really bad luck." And by the way, just to get a picture of how rough things are for this guy? He says this line BEFORE he becomes the Sandman.

The video game

  • Author's Saving Throw: In the PS3, 360 and PC versions of the game, Venom can be seen as this. He has more screentime than he does in the film, he's considerably bulkier like how he is in the comics, and both his voice and roars are much deeper (and in the case of his introductory scene, quite creepy, too).
    "Now let's talk about how we're going to destroy...the Spider."
  • Complete Monster: In the PS3, 360, and PC version of the game, Luke Carlyle is a former industrialist whose business crumbled after the Daily Bugle uncovered his corrupt practices. Seeking revenge against the city that ruined him, Carlyle adopted the identity of "Carlyle the Mad Bomber" and led a series of terrorist attacks across Manhattan. After destroying his old building, Carlyle had his men plant explosives throughout the city, focusing mostly on locations that would cause civilian casualties. When Spider-Man foils his plans, Carlyle launches an attack on the Daily Bugle and kidnaps J. Jonah Jameson. Carlyle places an explosive collar around Jameson's neck and tosses him out of his helicopter in an attempt to kill him and Spider-Man. Carlyle ultimately escapes after Spider-Man takes out his helicopter, but not before setting off the explosives he had rigged in each of his henchmen's suits.
  • Contested Sequel: The games were no better than the film in this regard, considering that they were made to tie in with this film, just like the previous two. Unlike Spider-Man 2, the games had ridiculous amounts of Press X to Not Die to an infuriating degree, especially the unforgiving final boss fight.
  • The Problem with Licensed Games: Few thought it was bad by any means, but it was widely considered to be a major disappointment, especially considering it was released on a new console generation.
  • Scrappy Mechanic: The need to put in a quick-time event to remove the symbiote.
  • That One Level: The level in the PS3/360/PC version where Spider-Man has to protect a canister from the lizardmen is extremely difficult, particularly in the final round, as it's game over if the canister gets hit more than three times.

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