History YMMV / SouthPark

26th Mar '17 4:57:48 PM Scsigs
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*** The fact that they were somehow trying to connect people who were supporting Trump with the people who like their nostalgia and the people who supported JJ Abrams' ''Star Wars'' film by seeing it and giving it praise comes off as confusing and kind of stupid considering that those things are completely unrelated. Separated into their own plots, they could've worked, but the fact that they tried to connect them just makes you wonder what they were thinking. The only connecting reason seeming to be that ''Star Wars Episode VII'' was very reminiscent of ''A New Hope'', and thus is hearkening back to the old days, while Trump getting elected was seen as causing ''regressions'' than ''progressions'', which is a somewhat flimsy connection ''at best'', since they're not compatible at all. Also, the assertion that the people who like their nostalgia and ''Episode VII'' are blind to the rest of the world outside of media is just unfounded, as people can easily separate things going on in the world and their enjoyment of media. Not only that, but not all people who like nostalgia and ''Episode VII'' supported Trump.

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*** The fact that they were somehow trying to connect people who were supporting Trump with the people who like their nostalgia and the people who supported JJ Abrams' ''Star Wars'' film by seeing it and giving it praise comes off as confusing and kind of stupid considering that those things are completely unrelated. Separated into their own plots, they could've worked, but the fact that they tried to connect them just makes you wonder what they were thinking. The only connecting reason seeming seems to be that ''Star Wars Episode VII'' was very reminiscent of ''A New Hope'', and thus is hearkening back to the old days, while Trump getting elected was seen as causing ''regressions'' rather than ''progressions'', which is a somewhat flimsy connection ''at best'', since they're not compatible at all. Also, the assertion that the people who like their nostalgia and ''Episode VII'' are blind to the rest of the world outside of media is just unfounded, as people can easily separate things going on in the world and their enjoyment of media. Not only that, but not all people who like nostalgia and ''Episode VII'' supported Trump.
26th Mar '17 4:40:29 PM Scsigs
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*** The fact that they were somehow trying to connect people who were supporting Trump with the people who like their nostalgia and the people who supported JJ Abrams' ''Star Wars'' film by seeing it and giving it praise comes off as confusing and kind of stupid considering that those things are completely unrelated. Separated into their own plots, they could've worked, but the fact that they tried to connect them just makes you wonder what they were thinking. The only connecting reason seeming to be that ''Star Wars Episode VII'' was very reminiscent of ''A New Hope'', and thus is hearkening back to the old days, while Trump getting elected was seen as causing ''regressions'' than ''progressions'', which is a somewhat flimsy connection ''at best'', since they're not compatible at all. Also, the assertion that the people who like their nostalgia and ''Episode VII'' are blind to the rest of the world outside of media is just unfounded, as people can easily separate things going on in the world. Not only that, but not all people who like nostalgia and ''Episode VII'' supported Trump.

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*** The fact that they were somehow trying to connect people who were supporting Trump with the people who like their nostalgia and the people who supported JJ Abrams' ''Star Wars'' film by seeing it and giving it praise comes off as confusing and kind of stupid considering that those things are completely unrelated. Separated into their own plots, they could've worked, but the fact that they tried to connect them just makes you wonder what they were thinking. The only connecting reason seeming to be that ''Star Wars Episode VII'' was very reminiscent of ''A New Hope'', and thus is hearkening back to the old days, while Trump getting elected was seen as causing ''regressions'' than ''progressions'', which is a somewhat flimsy connection ''at best'', since they're not compatible at all. Also, the assertion that the people who like their nostalgia and ''Episode VII'' are blind to the rest of the world outside of media is just unfounded, as people can easily separate things going on in the world.world and their enjoyment of media. Not only that, but not all people who like nostalgia and ''Episode VII'' supported Trump.
26th Mar '17 4:39:21 PM Scsigs
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*** The fact that they were somehow trying to connect people who were supporting Trump with the people who like their nostalgia and the people who supported JJ Abrams' ''Star Wars'' film by seeing it and giving it praise comes off as confusing and kind of stupid considering that those things are completely unrelated. Separated into their own plots, they could've worked, but the fact that they tried to connect them just makes you wonder what they were thinking. The only connecting reason seeming to be that ''Star Wars Episode VII'' was very reminiscent of ''A New Hope'', and thus is hearkening back to the old days, while Trump getting elected was seen as causing ''regressions'' than ''progressions'', which is a somewhat flimsy connection ''at best''.

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*** The fact that they were somehow trying to connect people who were supporting Trump with the people who like their nostalgia and the people who supported JJ Abrams' ''Star Wars'' film by seeing it and giving it praise comes off as confusing and kind of stupid considering that those things are completely unrelated. Separated into their own plots, they could've worked, but the fact that they tried to connect them just makes you wonder what they were thinking. The only connecting reason seeming to be that ''Star Wars Episode VII'' was very reminiscent of ''A New Hope'', and thus is hearkening back to the old days, while Trump getting elected was seen as causing ''regressions'' than ''progressions'', which is a somewhat flimsy connection ''at best''.best'', since they're not compatible at all. Also, the assertion that the people who like their nostalgia and ''Episode VII'' are blind to the rest of the world outside of media is just unfounded, as people can easily separate things going on in the world. Not only that, but not all people who like nostalgia and ''Episode VII'' supported Trump.
26th Mar '17 2:41:44 PM Scsigs
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*** The fact that they were somehow trying to connect people who were supporting Trump with the people who like their nostalgia and the people who supported JJ Abrams' ''Star Wars'' film by seeing it and giving it praise comes off as confusing and kind of stupid considering that those things are completely unrelated. Separated into their own plots, they could've worked, but the fact that they tried to connect them just makes you wonder what they were thinking. The only connecting reason seeming to be that ''Star Wars Episode VII'' was very reminiscent of ''A New Hope'', and thus is hearkening back to the old days, while Trump getting elected was seen as causing regressions than progression, which is a somewhat flimsy connection ''at best''.

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*** The fact that they were somehow trying to connect people who were supporting Trump with the people who like their nostalgia and the people who supported JJ Abrams' ''Star Wars'' film by seeing it and giving it praise comes off as confusing and kind of stupid considering that those things are completely unrelated. Separated into their own plots, they could've worked, but the fact that they tried to connect them just makes you wonder what they were thinking. The only connecting reason seeming to be that ''Star Wars Episode VII'' was very reminiscent of ''A New Hope'', and thus is hearkening back to the old days, while Trump getting elected was seen as causing regressions ''regressions'' than progression, ''progressions'', which is a somewhat flimsy connection ''at best''.
26th Mar '17 2:38:47 PM Scsigs
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*** The fact that they were somehow trying to connect people who were supporting Trump with the people who like their nostalgia and the people who supported JJ Abrams' ''Star Wars'' film by seeing it and giving it praise comes off as confusing and kind of stupid considering that those things are completely unrelated. Separated into their own plots, they could've worked, but the fact that they tried to connect them just makes you wonder what they were thinking. The only connecting reason seeming to be that ''Star Wars Episode VII'' was very reminiscent of ''A New Hope'', and thus is hearkening back to the old days, while Trump getting elected was seen as causing regressions than progression, which is a somewhat flimsy connection ''at best''.
22nd Mar '17 3:22:21 PM Animeking1108
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** The Member Berries, what should have been a one-episode gag, got beaten into the ground throughout season 20. Their story [[AbortedArc abruptly ended]] after the 2016 presidential election, and their story will likely stay that way.

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** The Member Berries, what should have been a one-episode gag, got beaten into the ground throughout season 20. Their constant utterance of "Member X?" just screamed "ForcedMeme." Their story [[AbortedArc abruptly ended]] after the 2016 presidential election, and their story will likely stay that way.
21st Mar '17 2:01:13 PM SammyDragon92
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** The live-action sequence at the end of "I Should Have Never Gone Ziplining".

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** The live-action sequence at the end of "I ''"I Should Have Never Gone Ziplining".Ziplining"''.


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** The scene where [[YourHeadAsplode Cartman's head explodes]] in ''Medicinal Fried Chicken.''
21st Mar '17 3:21:36 AM LooneyCartoons
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** The first three or four seasons in general also gets this. Depending on who you ask, they are either the best seasons or the worst. As mentioned above, Matt and Trey themselves hate the first three seasons, especially Season 2.
23rd Feb '17 8:59:38 PM kquinn0830
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* FairForItsDay: The message of "Mr. Garrison's Fancy New Vagina" is that just because cosmetic surgery (i.e. sex change) makes you look like something doesn't mean you truly are what the surgery aimed for, and it compares being transgender to Kyle becoming black and his father becoming a dolphin. The episode came out at a time when the general public saw sex change as a joke; the much-later episode "The Cissy" is more sympathetic to the trans community.

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* FairForItsDay: The message of "Mr. Garrison's Fancy New Vagina" is that just because cosmetic surgery (i.e. sex change) makes you look like something doesn't mean you truly are what the surgery aimed for, and it compares being transgender to Kyle becoming black and his father becoming a dolphin. [[note]] Though some would argue that it's painfully obvious that Mr. Garrison wasn't actually transgender and just got the surgery for kicks and, therefore, should not be considered representative of transsexuals[[/note]] The episode came out at a time when the general public saw sex change as a joke; the much-later episode "The Cissy" is more sympathetic to the trans community.
19th Feb '17 8:03:07 PM WaterBlap
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** After several episodes making fun of Donald Trump's presidential campaign, Trump was sworn into office.
*** The episode "Douche and Turd" was about a battle over who would be the next South Park Elementary mascot, which ended with Stan finally (and reluctantly) voting for the Turd Sandwich, only for the Giant Douche to win by a landslide. Twelve years later, there was a Season 20 story arc of episodes that involved the battle over who gets to be president: Mr. Garrison (Giant Douche) or Hillary Clinton (Turd Sandwich). Guess who won in "Oh, Jeez"? That's right: it's Mr. Garrison, the Giant Douche! (Even crazier is that in another meta-example, Matt and Trey were opting for a Turd Sandwich win and originally had the episode (whose WorkingTitle was "The Very First Gentleman") planned [[WhatCouldHaveBeen in case Hillary won]]; but thanks to Trump's winning upset on November 9, 2016, they were forced to remove the "Hillary Wins" clip and replace it with its new clip, along with reworking the episode and changing its name, which still works.)
** After becoming president, the people of South Park convince Mr. Garrison to bomb Denmark by using [[LikeYouWouldReallyDoIt reverse psychology on him]], telling him he wouldn't have had the guts to do the stunts they're trying to goad him to do. [[http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-yemen-raid-agree-to-policy-barack-obama-would-not-do-james-matthis-qassim-al-rimi-a7566861.html Donald Trump's staff did the exact same thing to get him to take action several times]].



** Mr. Garrison telling people to vote against him in the 2016 election, and the clear disdain Matt and Trey express for Donald Trump in general, has led to some right-leaning fans accusing the creators of being Hillary Clinton shills.
** Ironically, Trey and Matt received similar complaints from left-wingers when they announced that they wouldn't be taking any digs at UsefulNotes/DonaldTrump in season 21.

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** Mr. Garrison telling people to vote against him in the 2016 election, and the clear disdain Matt and Trey express for Donald Trump UsefulNotes/DonaldTrump in general, has led to some right-leaning fans accusing the creators of being Hillary Clinton shills.
** Ironically, Trey and Matt received similar complaints from left-wingers when they announced that they wouldn't be taking any digs at UsefulNotes/DonaldTrump in season 21.



** Mr. Garrison, due to his ''huge'' sexual dysfunction problem bordering on DepravedBisexual. Started out a homophobe but became extremely gay, trans, lesbian, a gay lesbian at the same time, a BDSM freak, and generally any sexuality you could think of. Also, he solved Canada's problems by ''literally raping Canadian Trump to death.'' In his presidential campaign, his only national policy, in a parody of Trump's aggressive promises, was to literally ''FUCK THEM ALL TO DEATH!!!''

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** Mr. Garrison, due to his ''huge'' sexual dysfunction problem bordering on DepravedBisexual. Started out a homophobe but became extremely gay, trans, lesbian, a gay lesbian at the same time, a BDSM freak, and generally any sexuality you could think of. Also, he solved Canada's problems by ''literally raping Canadian Trump to death.'' In his presidential campaign, his only national policy, in a parody of Trump's aggressive promises, policy was to literally ''FUCK THEM ALL TO DEATH!!!''



** The Member Berries, what should have been a one-episode gag, got beaten into the ground throughout season 20. Not helping matters was because of Trump winning the 2016 election, their story [[AbortedArc abruptly ended]], and with the recent announcement that Trey and Matt wouldn't target him in Season 21, it'll stay that way.

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** The Member Berries, what should have been a one-episode gag, got beaten into the ground throughout season 20. Not helping matters was because of Trump winning the 2016 election, their Their story [[AbortedArc abruptly ended]], ended]] after the 2016 presidential election, and with the recent announcement that Trey and Matt wouldn't target him in Season 21, it'll their story will likely stay that way.



** Season 20 fell into this when its unusually complex StoryArc was abruptly altered by real world events. Parker and Stone hadn't prepared for the possibility that Creator/DonaldTrump, whom Mr. Garrison was serving as an {{Expy}} of, would be elected President of the United States over Hillary Clinton (who was being used straight up), so the final four episodes had to be substantially rethought in a very short span of time -- in the case of the post-Election Day episode within ''less than 24 hours'' or risk coming off as completely irrelevant. The results were that several significant characters, in particular the Member Berries, fell OutOfFocus while most of the plot threads were not brought to satisfying conclusions -- and likely never will be with Parker and Stone announcing in February 2017 that Creator/DonaldTrump will '''not''' be a target of the show in Season 21 due to how '''difficult''' [[TysonZone he is to parody]].

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** Season 20 fell into this when its unusually complex StoryArc was abruptly altered by real world events. Parker and Stone hadn't prepared for the possibility that Creator/DonaldTrump, UsefulNotes/DonaldTrump, whom Mr. Garrison was serving as an {{Expy}} of, would be elected President of the United States over [[UsefulNotes/HillaryRodhamClinton Hillary Clinton Clinton]] (who was being used straight up), so the final four episodes had to be substantially rethought in a very short span of time -- in the case of the post-Election Day episode within ''less than 24 hours'' or risk coming off as completely irrelevant. The results were that several significant characters, in particular the Member Berries, fell OutOfFocus while most of the plot threads were not brought to satisfying conclusions -- and likely never will be with Parker and Stone announcing in February 2017 that Creator/DonaldTrump UsefulNotes/DonaldTrump will '''not''' be a target of the show in Season 21 due to how '''difficult''' [[TysonZone he is to parody]].parody.
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