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13th May '18 10:09:52 PM HeatEdgeSword
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* Blacephalon was initially hyped up as a good Fire-type GlassCannon. As time went on, Blacephalon's flaws started popping up, such as being too frail even for a GlassCannon, too predictable and it couldn't do anything to threats that would demolish it. It has gotten so bad that Blacephalon goes from B- to unranked in the OU viability thread.
11th May '18 5:17:42 PM canidApath
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* SoBadItsGood: The arbitrary forum emotes (such as the sad pirate face) are viewed as this. Many consider them nostalgic, to the point where the forums kept them after the December 2017 redesign and some Smogon Discord servers have them as custom emojis.
6th Jan '18 7:35:38 PM HeatEdgeSword
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** While not to the same extent as Charizard due to the lack of vocal HypeBacklash, other popular but underpowered Pokémon such as Pikachu, Typhlosion, and (to a lesser extent) Decidueye and Gen IV Blaziken can end up being hated or dismissed by Smogonites, especially when inexperienced players try using them in higher tiers a la Charizard. Pikachu in particular is lamented and bashed in equal numbers due to the fact that, for all of its being the SeriesMascot and all of the exclusive moves and items it gets, it is considered one of the absolute worst and weakest Pokémon in the series, to the point that its doppelganger Mimikyu is, bizarrely, a much better and reasonably viable Pokémon. In Typhlosion's case, this caused problems in its tiering for a while, where it ended up being RU by usage but was considered one of the worst Pokémon in the tier.

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** While not to the same extent as Charizard due to the lack of vocal HypeBacklash, other popular but underpowered Pokémon such as Pikachu, Typhlosion, and (to a lesser extent) Decidueye and Gen IV Blaziken can end up being hated or dismissed by Smogonites, especially when inexperienced players try using them in higher tiers a la Charizard. Pikachu in particular is lamented and bashed in equal numbers due to the fact that, for all of its being the SeriesMascot and all of the exclusive moves and items it gets, it is considered one of the absolute worst and weakest Pokémon in the series, to the point that its doppelganger Mimikyu is, bizarrely, a much better and reasonably viable Pokémon. In Typhlosion's case, this caused problems in its tiering for a while, where it ended up being RU by usage [=BL3=] but was considered one of the worst Pokémon in the tier.RU.
12th Dec '17 1:05:39 PM Anddrix
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* LoveItOrHateIt: Smogons rulesets and tier system are often seen as either the most balanced and interesting take on the Pokémon meta or an annoying bunch of know-it-alls who stifle Pokémon team building creativity and results in a lot of [[ComplacentGamingSyndrome boring matches using the same set of Pokémon with the same set of moves]] over and over again, with barely any in between opinions on the group and site.
11th Dec '17 4:57:22 PM canidApath
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* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: Itís generally agreed that the new forum layout instituted in December 2017 is vastly inferior to the previous one.
4th Dec '17 12:35:01 PM Chasem
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** While not to the same extent as Charizard due to the lack of vocal HypeBacklash, other popular but underpowered Pokémon such as Pikachu, Typhlosion and (to a lesser extent) Decidueye can end up being hated or dismissed by Smogonites, especially when inexperienced players try using them in higher tiers a la Charizard. Pikachu in particular is lamented and bashed in equal numbers due to the fact that, for all of its being the SeriesMascot and all of the exclusive moves and items it gets, it is considered one of the absolute worst and weakest Pokémon in the series, to the point that its doppelganger Mimikyu is, bizarrely, a much better and reasonably viable Pokémon. In Typhlosion's case, this caused problems in its tiering for a while, where it ended up being RU by usage but was considered one of the worst Pokémon in the tier.

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** While not to the same extent as Charizard due to the lack of vocal HypeBacklash, other popular but underpowered Pokémon such as Pikachu, Typhlosion Typhlosion, and (to a lesser extent) Decidueye and Gen IV Blaziken can end up being hated or dismissed by Smogonites, especially when inexperienced players try using them in higher tiers a la Charizard. Pikachu in particular is lamented and bashed in equal numbers due to the fact that, for all of its being the SeriesMascot and all of the exclusive moves and items it gets, it is considered one of the absolute worst and weakest Pokémon in the series, to the point that its doppelganger Mimikyu is, bizarrely, a much better and reasonably viable Pokémon. In Typhlosion's case, this caused problems in its tiering for a while, where it ended up being RU by usage but was considered one of the worst Pokémon in the tier.
27th Nov '17 11:06:58 AM Chasem
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** While not to the same extent as Charizard due to the lack of vocal HypeBacklash, other popular but underpowered Pokémon such as Pikachu, Typhlosion and (to a lesser extent) Decidueye can end up being hated or dismissed by Smogonites, especially when inexperienced players try using them in higher tiers a la Charizard. This actually caused problems for Typhlosion's tiering for a while, where it ended up being RU by usage but was considered one of the worst Pokémon in the tier.

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** While not to the same extent as Charizard due to the lack of vocal HypeBacklash, other popular but underpowered Pokémon such as Pikachu, Typhlosion and (to a lesser extent) Decidueye can end up being hated or dismissed by Smogonites, especially when inexperienced players try using them in higher tiers a la Charizard. This actually caused problems Pikachu in particular is lamented and bashed in equal numbers due to the fact that, for all of its being the SeriesMascot and all of the exclusive moves and items it gets, it is considered one of the absolute worst and weakest Pokémon in the series, to the point that its doppelganger Mimikyu is, bizarrely, a much better and reasonably viable Pokémon. In Typhlosion's case, this caused problems in its tiering for a while, where it ended up being RU by usage but was considered one of the worst Pokémon in the tier.
27th Nov '17 11:03:17 AM Chasem
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* AmericansHateTingle: Given that at least [[GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff Americans, if not the whole of the English speaking world, loves Charizard]], it is quite ironic that Charizard was generally hated amongst Smogoners (also predominantly English-language based) until the 6th Generation due to [[TierInducedScrappy Charizard actually being not very useful until the buff for Generation 6]], and its fans attempting to use Charizard regardless adding to the ire.

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Given that at least [[GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff Americans, if not the whole of the English speaking world, loves Charizard]], it is quite ironic that Charizard was generally hated amongst Smogoners (also predominantly English-language based) until the 6th Generation due to [[TierInducedScrappy Charizard actually being not very useful until the buff for Generation 6]], and its fans attempting to use Charizard regardless adding to the ire.ire.
** While not to the same extent as Charizard due to the lack of vocal HypeBacklash, other popular but underpowered Pokémon such as Pikachu, Typhlosion and (to a lesser extent) Decidueye can end up being hated or dismissed by Smogonites, especially when inexperienced players try using them in higher tiers a la Charizard. This actually caused problems for Typhlosion's tiering for a while, where it ended up being RU by usage but was considered one of the worst Pokémon in the tier.
29th Sep '17 6:44:08 PM Zuxtron
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* ThatOneRule: Speed is calculated at the beginning of the turn and not directly after a change to speed. While this normally does not pose a problem, as it typically takes a turn to use a speed-altering move, a Pokémon that Mega Evolves can suddenly seem too under-speedy against the opponent, because speed on that turn is still determined using pre-Mega Evolution stats. This was changed in Generation 7.
27th Jul '17 1:41:13 PM N8han11
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** The Kami trio also get accusations of this type, due to many bans apparently being made to aid them in the metagame no matter how versatile or broken they may be.

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** The Kami trio (especially [[ComplacentGamingSyndrome Landorus]]) also get accusations of this type, due to many bans apparently being made to aid them in the metagame no matter how versatile or broken they may be.
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