History YMMV / Smogon

1st Dec '16 7:17:46 AM TokoWH
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* LoveItOrHateIt: Smogons rulesets and tier system are often seen as either the most balanced and interesting take on the Pokemon meta or an annoying bunch of know-it-alls who stifle the Pokemon team building creativity and results in a lot of [[ComplacentGamingSyndrome boring matches using the same set of Pokemon with the same set of moves]] over and over again, with barely any in between opinions on the group and site.
23rd Nov '16 4:52:23 AM Edgar81539
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** However, {{Scrub}} is played straight in the sense that Smogon uses extensive house rules and tries to propagate them outside their community as the only actual balanced rule set.
23rd Nov '16 4:40:02 AM Edgar81539
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** Stall. Most Pokemon that are tested for banning are offensive in nature, and several have been tested ''specifically'' because they threaten this one playstyle. What makes this even worse is that the best Special Walls in the game (Chansey and Blissey) have never been put up for testing despite technically being suspect-worthy.[[labelnote:Explanation]]The two of them invalidate just about every Special Attacker ''by themselves'' due to being {{Damage Sponge Boss}}es and have literally no peers, even when compared to [[GameBreaker Ubers]] (their closest competition, Lugia, is just a '''really''' bulky MightyGlacier).[[/labelnote]]
21st Oct '16 1:57:58 PM Eagal
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** Mega Gengar is widely despised on Smogon, and for good reason. Unlike the other non-legendary banned Megas (Kangaskhan, Lucario, Salamence and Mawile), Mega Gengar wasn't banned for being a team-annihilating LightningBruiser with way too many options and far too few counters (the first three) or a MightyGlacier with a near-perfect typing and obscene offensive muscle (Mawile), but rather for being able to Perish Trap with absolutely no drawback and force anything going up against it into [[SadisticChoice no-win situations]]. Played properly, Mega Gengar is ''completely foolproof'', and it was kicked out of OU and into Ubers in less than a month, where it continued to be so obnoxious that it got suspected for ''banning from Ubers''. It stayed, but the fact that a complete ban was even discussed to begin with says an awful lot about how abusive the thing is.

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** Mega Gengar is widely despised on Smogon, and for good reason. Unlike the other non-legendary banned Megas (Kangaskhan, Lucario, Salamence and Mawile), Mega Gengar wasn't banned for being a team-annihilating LightningBruiser with way too many options and far too few counters (the first three) or a MightyGlacier with a near-perfect typing and obscene offensive muscle (Mawile), but rather for being able to use Perish Trap Song with absolutely no drawback due to its Shadow Tag ability preventing the opponent from switching out (which would otherwise negate Perish Song) and force anything going up against it into [[SadisticChoice no-win situations]]. Played properly, Mega Gengar is ''completely foolproof'', and it was kicked out of OU and into Ubers in less than a month, where it continued to be so obnoxious that it got suspected for ''banning from Ubers''. It stayed, but the fact that a complete ban was even discussed to begin with says an awful lot about how abusive the thing is.
21st Oct '16 1:55:00 PM Eagal
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** In the same vain as Claydol and Hitmonchan is Ambipom. Similar to the former two, Ambipom is despised on Smogon because it's inexperienced RU players keeping using it to use its tempting STAB Fake Out off of Technichian. [[AwesomeButImpractical But it falls short in practicality]] because the strategy is [[CripplingOverspecialization VERY predictable]] and Ambipom's attack stat otherwise isn't too overwhelming which means an opponent can see the telegraphed Fake Out coming and just switch in a tank like [[MightyGlacier Rhyperior or Doublade for free]] as Ambipom lacks to kit to hit them hard enough. Combined with being a FragileSpeedster and having a moveset that is largely outclassed by Cincinno which can get Aqua Tail, Bullet Seed, and Skill Link Tail Slap, and Ambipom ultimately fails to make a veritable niche for itself and even has "DON'T USE AMBIPOM" as the name of its set as on Smogon. But unlike the prior two, it's still RU by usage so it continues to be despised.

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** In the same vain vein as Claydol and Hitmonchan is Ambipom. Similar to the former two, Ambipom is despised on Smogon because it's inexperienced RU players keeping using it to use its tempting STAB Fake Out off of Technichian. [[AwesomeButImpractical But it falls short in practicality]] because the strategy is [[CripplingOverspecialization VERY predictable]] and Ambipom's attack stat otherwise isn't too overwhelming which means an opponent can see the telegraphed Fake Out coming and just switch in a tank like [[MightyGlacier Rhyperior or Doublade for free]] as Ambipom lacks to kit to hit them hard enough. Combined with being a FragileSpeedster and having a moveset that is largely outclassed by Cincinno which can get Aqua Tail, Bullet Seed, and Skill Link Tail Slap, and Ambipom ultimately fails to make a veritable niche for itself and even has "DON'T USE AMBIPOM" as the name of its set as on Smogon. But unlike the prior two, it's still RU by usage so it continues to be despised.
21st Oct '16 1:29:42 PM Eagal
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* AmericansHateTingle: Given that at least [[GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff Americans, if not the whole of the English speaking world, loves Charizard]], it is quite ironic that Charizard was generally hated amongst Smogoners (also predominantly English-language based) until the 6th Generation. Justified due to Charizard actually being not very useful until the buff for Generation 6, and Scrubs attempting to use Charizard regardless adding to the ire.

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* AmericansHateTingle: Given that at least [[GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff Americans, if not the whole of the English speaking world, loves Charizard]], it is quite ironic that Charizard was generally hated amongst Smogoners (also predominantly English-language based) until the 6th Generation. Justified Generation due to [[TierInducedScrappy Charizard actually being not very useful until the buff for Generation 6, 6]], and Scrubs its fans attempting to use Charizard regardless adding to the ire.
21st Oct '16 12:32:22 PM Monolaf317
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* VindicatedByHistory: Happens every now and again, due to people finding things that actually work better than previously thought. Such examples are Rotom-W in Gen IV (an issue of The Smog even said it goes from being mediocre to "a sub-par Lanturn" when the Rotom form type changes were discovered) And Deoxys-D in Gen V, where it was ''UU'' for a short period of time before it was discovered how bulky it was.

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* VindicatedByHistory: Happens every now and again, due to people finding things that actually work better than previously thought. Such examples are Rotom-W in Gen IV (an issue of The Smog even said it goes from being mediocre to "a sub-par Lanturn" when the Rotom form type changes were discovered) And Deoxys-D in Gen V, where it was ''UU'' for a short period of time before it was discovered how bulky it was.was.
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17th Oct '16 8:21:52 PM TimG5
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* In the same vain as Claydol and Hitmonchan is Ambipom. Similar to the former two, Ambipom is despised on Smogon because it's inexperienced RU players keeping using it to use its tempting STAB Fake Out off of Technichian. [[AwesomeButImpractical But it falls short in practicality]] because the strategy is [[CripplingOverspecialization VERY predictable]] and Ambipom's attack stat otherwise isn't too overwhelming which means an opponent can see the telegraphed Fake Out coming and just switch in a tank like [[MightyGlacier Rhyperior or Doublade for free]] as Ambipom lacks to kit to hit them hard enough. Combined with being a FragileSpeedster and having a moveset that is largely outclassed by Cincinno which can get Aqua Tail, Bullet Seed, and Skill Link Tail Slap, and Ambipom ultimately fails to make a veritable niche for itself and even has "DON'T USE AMBIPOM" as the name of its set as on Smogon. But unlike the prior two, it's still RU by usage so it continues to be despised.

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* ** In the same vain as Claydol and Hitmonchan is Ambipom. Similar to the former two, Ambipom is despised on Smogon because it's inexperienced RU players keeping using it to use its tempting STAB Fake Out off of Technichian. [[AwesomeButImpractical But it falls short in practicality]] because the strategy is [[CripplingOverspecialization VERY predictable]] and Ambipom's attack stat otherwise isn't too overwhelming which means an opponent can see the telegraphed Fake Out coming and just switch in a tank like [[MightyGlacier Rhyperior or Doublade for free]] as Ambipom lacks to kit to hit them hard enough. Combined with being a FragileSpeedster and having a moveset that is largely outclassed by Cincinno which can get Aqua Tail, Bullet Seed, and Skill Link Tail Slap, and Ambipom ultimately fails to make a veritable niche for itself and even has "DON'T USE AMBIPOM" as the name of its set as on Smogon. But unlike the prior two, it's still RU by usage so it continues to be despised.
17th Oct '16 8:21:26 PM TimG5
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*** Fortunately the message was received and Claydol's usage finally dropped enough to allow it be played in NU where it can boast the distinction [[NormalFishInATinyPond of being one of the only viable Rapid Spin users]].


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* In the same vain as Claydol and Hitmonchan is Ambipom. Similar to the former two, Ambipom is despised on Smogon because it's inexperienced RU players keeping using it to use its tempting STAB Fake Out off of Technichian. [[AwesomeButImpractical But it falls short in practicality]] because the strategy is [[CripplingOverspecialization VERY predictable]] and Ambipom's attack stat otherwise isn't too overwhelming which means an opponent can see the telegraphed Fake Out coming and just switch in a tank like [[MightyGlacier Rhyperior or Doublade for free]] as Ambipom lacks to kit to hit them hard enough. Combined with being a FragileSpeedster and having a moveset that is largely outclassed by Cincinno which can get Aqua Tail, Bullet Seed, and Skill Link Tail Slap, and Ambipom ultimately fails to make a veritable niche for itself and even has "DON'T USE AMBIPOM" as the name of its set as on Smogon. But unlike the prior two, it's still RU by usage so it continues to be despised.
5th Sep '16 9:55:18 AM TyeDyeWildebeest
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*** Fortunately, Hitmonchan was RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap when it finally dropped down to the NU tier, where it proved to be quite useful.
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