History YMMV / Skyfall

11th Dec '17 12:16:20 PM DustSnitch
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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Kincade, for being a BraveScot, a BadassBystander and a BadassGrandpa.

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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Kincade, for being a BraveScot, a BadassBystander BraveScot and a BadassGrandpa.BadassBystander.
28th Sep '17 5:19:35 AM JamesAustin
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* MemeticMutation: [[http://knowyourmeme.com/photos/448516-ooh-mister-x "Ooh, Mr. Bond!"]]
25th Sep '17 8:52:26 AM JamesAustin
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* {{Fanon}}: Silva was a high-ranking field agent, possibly even a 00. Most fans are stunned when you point out that none of this is explicitly mentioned in the film. They take his NotSoDifferent speech very literally. But aside from firing a gun a few times and lobbing a couple of grenades, nothing he does in the film suggests the sort of rough-and-tumble, life-on-the-line sort of career as Bond.


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* MemeticMutation: [[http://knowyourmeme.com/photos/448516-ooh-mister-x "Ooh, Mr. Bond!"]]
25th Sep '17 7:59:02 AM JamesAustin
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: See AngstWhatAngst. TranquilFury or LackOfEmpathy on Bond's part?

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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: See AngstWhatAngst. TranquilFury or LackOfEmpathy on Bond's part?



* AngstWhatAngst: Bond doesn't seem too concerned [[spoiler:when Severine is shot, despite saying he'd protect her. Well, except for the part where he mercilessly slaughtered Silva's men immediately after, but even that's ambiguous]].
** Nor does he react strongly to the destruction of his childhood home where his parents died. Most jarringly, there's a secret tunnel where young Bond hid for 2 days after the death of his parents. Not only does Modern Bond enter the tunnel without the slightest hint that it holds any special meaning to him, but he outright states "I always hated this place".
*** The DVDCommentary states that there was too much pain there for him to properly deal with, which is probably Bond invoking this trope.
** Eve is [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone horrified]] when she initially "kills" Bond. But by the time he comes back from the dead, she seems to have gotten over it.
*** With the time frame between Bond's "death" and return she had proper time to grieve over it and she did mention that she was considering taking a different profession since she still expressed guilt over the incident.
** There's an awful lot of typically English StiffUpperLip.

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* AngstWhatAngst: AngstWhatAngst:
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Bond doesn't seem too concerned [[spoiler:when Severine is shot, despite saying he'd protect her. Well, except for the part where he mercilessly slaughtered Silva's men immediately after, but even that's ambiguous]].
** Nor does he Bond also doesn't react strongly to the destruction of his childhood home where his parents died. Most jarringly, there's a secret tunnel where young Bond hid for 2 two days after the death of his parents. Not only does Modern Bond enter the tunnel without the slightest hint that it holds any special meaning to him, but he outright states "I always hated this place".
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place". The DVDCommentary states that there was too much pain there for him to properly deal with, which is probably Bond invoking this trope.
** Eve is [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone horrified]] when she initially "kills" Bond. But by the time he comes back from the dead, she seems to have gotten over it.
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it. With the time frame between Bond's "death" and return she had proper time to grieve over it and she did mention that she was considering taking a different profession since she still expressed guilt over the incident.
** There's All in all, there's an awful lot of typically English StiffUpperLip.



* AwardSnub: After serious, genuine hype about the possibilities of Oscar nominations for Dench, Bardem, as well for Best Picture, the film garnered no nominations in any of the big categories. On a more positive note, ''Skyfall'' received nominations for Best Song (which it won), Best Score, Best Sound Mixing, Best Sound Editing (which it also won) and Best Cinematography for Roger Deakins. It's actually more Oscar nominations for any Bond movie ever - beating out ''Film/TheSpyWhoLovedMe'' - and more Oscar ''wins'' than any other in the series - surpassing both ''Film/{{Goldfinger}}'' and ''Film/{{Thunderball}}''. That said, there were many who found Deakins' loss in the Cinematography category to be a large case of this, given how it was both his ninth nomination without a win and the film lost out to ''LifeOfPi'', which some accused of being less of a feat in photography, given how much of it relied on computer technology.

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* AwardSnub: AwardSnub:
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After serious, genuine hype about the possibilities of Oscar nominations for Dench, Bardem, as well for Best Picture, the film garnered no nominations in any of the big categories. On a more positive note, ''Skyfall'' received nominations for Best Song (which it won), Best Score, Best Sound Mixing, Best Sound Editing (which it also won) and Best Cinematography for Roger Deakins. It's actually more Oscar nominations for any Bond movie ever - -- beating out ''Film/TheSpyWhoLovedMe'' - -- and more Oscar ''wins'' than any other in the series - -- surpassing both ''Film/{{Goldfinger}}'' and ''Film/{{Thunderball}}''. That said, there were many who found Deakins' loss in the Cinematography category to be a large case of this, given how it was both his ninth nomination without a win and the film lost out to ''LifeOfPi'', ''Film/LifeOfPi'', which some accused of being less of a feat in photography, given how much of it relied on computer technology.



** Music/{{Adele}}'s theme ''[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeumyOzKqgI Skyfall]]'', which incorporates the James Bond theme and [[{{Foreshadowing}} foreshadows]] numerous events in the movie. It became the first Bond theme to win the Oscar for Best Original Song, said Oscar also being the first for the entire franchise since 1966 when ''Film/{{Thunderball}}'' won Best Visual Effects, and the first for an actual performance and not a technical award.
*** For bonus points, Adele had only recently recovered from a strained throat that left her unable to speak for months.

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** Music/{{Adele}}'s theme ''[[http://www."[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeumyOzKqgI Skyfall]]'', Skyfall]]", which incorporates the James Bond theme and [[{{Foreshadowing}} foreshadows]] {{foreshadow|ing}}s numerous events in the movie. It became the first Bond theme to win the Oscar for Best Original Song, said Oscar also being the first for the entire franchise since 1966 when ''Film/{{Thunderball}}'' won Best Visual Effects, and the first for an actual performance and not a technical award.
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award. For bonus points, Adele had only recently recovered from a strained throat that left her unable to speak for months.



* BrokenBase: While the movie was a massive critical and commercial success and beloved in some quarters for its cinematography, darker themes, and grittier feel, ironically some diehard Bond fans frequently hate it. There's a variety of reasons for this (no gadgets, a completely joyless and ineffective Bond, the villian's relatively mundane plan, the third act that's basically just Home Alone, the child-prosititute turned Bond Girl (and the way Bond lets her die), the destruction of Bond's classic Aston Martin), but most of them contribute to the greater issue that the movie (to some) feels like it's going out of its way to mock and belittle old-school Bond and his fans; in fact, one of the themes of the movie is that Bond himself is an outdated, useless concept... which, sure, could be an interesting idea, but probably less so to people who just paid money to watch a James Bond movie.
** The other half of the broken base argues that the movie, rather than mocking classic Bond tropes, actually defends them - first stating the case against them, but then tearing it down, ultimately concluding that Bond will always be needed. M's stellar defense of the 00 Section is one of the iconic scenes of the movie, but there's a more subtle cue in the paintings - after Q likens Bond to a once-grand warship now useful only as scrap, pay attention to the paintings in the new M's offices at the end of the movie. They're of [[spoiler:warships in their prime - Q was wrong in his assessment of Bond.]]

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* BrokenBase: While the movie was a massive critical and commercial success and beloved in some quarters for its cinematography, darker themes, and grittier feel, ironically some diehard Bond fans frequently hate it. There's a variety of reasons for this (no gadgets, a completely joyless and ineffective Bond, the villian's relatively mundane plan, the third act that's basically just Home Alone, ''Film/HomeAlone'', the child-prosititute turned Bond Girl (and [and the way Bond lets her die), die], the destruction of Bond's classic Aston Martin), but most of them contribute to the greater issue that the movie (to some) feels like it's going out of its way to mock and belittle old-school Bond and his fans; in fact, one of the themes of the movie is that Bond himself is an outdated, useless concept... which, sure, could be an interesting idea, but probably less so to people who just paid money to watch a James Bond movie. \n** The other half of the broken base argues that the movie, rather than mocking classic Bond tropes, actually defends them - first stating the case against them, but then tearing it down, ultimately concluding that Bond will always be needed. M's stellar defense of the 00 Section is one of the iconic scenes of the movie, but there's a more subtle cue in the paintings - -- after Q likens Bond to a once-grand warship now useful only as scrap, pay attention to the paintings in the new M's offices at the end of the movie. They're of [[spoiler:warships in their prime - -- Q was wrong in his assessment of Bond.]]



* EarWorm: The intro number [[AwardBaitSong by Adele]] [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeumyOzKqgI will get stuck in your head!]]

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* EarWorm: The intro number [[AwardBaitSong by Adele]] [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeumyOzKqgI will get stuck in your head!]]head]]



* FunnyAneurysmMoment: At the end of [[https://tellygunge.wordpress.com/2011/11/20/dhp-episode-3-slimefall-the-final-result/ Davina's House Party, episode 3,]] [[spoiler:Bérénice Marlohe's [[CoveredInGunge Trip Around]] [[Series/NoelsHouseParty the Great House]] ends with her falling into a vat of gold gunge, as a ShoutOut to how Jill Masterson dies in Film/{{Goldfinger}}.]] [[spoiler: Her character Severine also dies at some point in the film, but she is [[BoomHeadshot shot in the head]] by Silva instead.]]

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* FunnyAneurysmMoment: At the end of [[https://tellygunge.wordpress.com/2011/11/20/dhp-episode-3-slimefall-the-final-result/ Davina's House Party, episode 3,]] 3, [[spoiler:Bérénice Marlohe's [[CoveredInGunge Trip Around]] [[Series/NoelsHouseParty the Great House]] ends with her falling into a vat of gold gunge, as a ShoutOut to how Jill Masterson dies in Film/{{Goldfinger}}.]] [[spoiler: ''Film/{{Goldfinger}}''. Her character Severine also dies at some point in the this film, but she is [[BoomHeadshot shot in the head]] by Silva instead.]]



** Silva's hacking attacks on MI6, using skull imagery and insulting language while completely taking over the organization's computer systems and releasing classified information on agents, call to mind the massive hack attack on the film's distributor, Sony Pictures, that crippled the company in late 2014 and led to the release of a large number of private and compromising documents, including many related to ''Film/{{Spectre}}'', the follow-up to ''Skyfall''.

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** Silva's hacking attacks on MI6, MI-6, using skull imagery and insulting language while completely taking over the organization's computer systems and releasing classified information on agents, call to mind the massive hack attack on the film's distributor, Sony Pictures, that crippled the company in late 2014 and led to the release of a large number of private and compromising documents, including many related to ''Film/{{Spectre}}'', the follow-up to ''Skyfall''.



* MoralEventHorizon: Silva crosses it before we even know who he is [[spoiler:with his bombing of MI6]].
* {{Narm}}[=/=]NarmCharm: [[spoiler: Silva's gasps at the end of the film after Bond throws a knife into his back come off as more of a joke leading into a snide comment, but are meant to be taken seriously.]]
** [[spoiler: Every line of dialogue that comes out of Silva's mouth is unintentionally funny, even when he's being deadly serious, due to his childish, overgrown baby doll way of talking. Or it makes him even creepier.]]
* {{Shipping}}: Kincade and M are friendly to each other when they meet, they both have the ParentalSubstitute thing going on, and their actors are around the same age. [[spoiler:Granted, any possibility of anything going forward is destroyed by the fact that M is six feet under.]]

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* MoralEventHorizon: Silva crosses it before we even know who he is [[spoiler:with his bombing of MI6]].
MI-6]].
* {{Narm}}[=/=]NarmCharm: [[spoiler: {{Narm}}:
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Silva's gasps [[spoiler:gasps at the end of the film after Bond throws a knife into his back back]] come off as more of a joke leading into a snide comment, but are meant to be taken seriously.seriously.
** Every line of dialogue that comes out of Silva's mouth is unintentionally funny, even when he's being deadly serious, due to his childish, overgrown baby doll way of talking. [[NarmCharm Or it makes him even creepier.
]]
* {{Shipping}}:
** [[spoiler: Every line of dialogue that comes out of Silva's mouth is unintentionally funny, even when he's being deadly serious, due to his childish, overgrown baby doll way of talking. Or it makes him even creepier.]]
* {{Shipping}}:
Kincade and M are friendly to each other when they meet, they both have the ParentalSubstitute thing going on, and their actors are around the same age. [[spoiler:Granted, any possibility of anything going forward is destroyed by the fact that M is six feet under.]]



** The shot of [[spoiler:Bond going over the waterfall]] would be a lot better if it hadn't been so bloody obvious that it was a dummy.
** Bond staring at the (obviously CG) Komodo dragons in the midst of a fight makes one think he also found them to be absurdly out of proportion. Likewise, the scorpion in the bar scene toward the beginning is poorly composited against Bond's hand.

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** The shot of [[spoiler:Bond going over the waterfall]] would be a lot better if it hadn't been so bloody obvious that it was a dummy.
** Bond staring at the (obviously CG) Komodo dragons in the midst of a fight makes one think he also found them to be absurdly out of proportion. proportion.
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Likewise, the scorpion in the bar scene toward the beginning is poorly composited against Bond's hand.



* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: Some fans were unhappy about Sam Mendes' longtime collaborator Thomas Newman serving as the film's composer instead of regular Bond series composer David Arnold.
** The film has caught the ire of some of the series' more hardcore fans for breaking some of the established "rules" of the franchise, most notably [[spoiler: the depiction of the graves of Bond's parents, which {{Jossed}} the popular fan theory that "James Bond" is a codename, and that each actor portrays a different character. The film also depicts a ChangingOfTheGuard for the first time, in regards to M (although some official sources maintain that the second cinematic M was a promotion for a minor character from an earlier film, and not a case of TheOtherDarrin) and some radically different portrayals of Miss Moneypenny and Q, respectively as a field agent and a... [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking young person]].]] That said, the movie is well-regarded by many others partly 'because'' it's so subversive, and proves that the franchise still has life in it after half a century.

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* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: TheyChangedItNowItSucks:
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Some fans were unhappy about Sam Mendes' longtime collaborator Thomas Newman serving as the film's composer instead of regular Bond series composer David Arnold.
** The film has caught the ire of some of the series' more hardcore fans for breaking some of the established "rules" of the franchise, most notably [[spoiler: the depiction of the graves of Bond's parents, which {{Jossed}} the popular fan theory that "James Bond" is a codename, and that each actor portrays a different character. The film also depicts a ChangingOfTheGuard for the first time, in regards to M (although some official sources maintain that the second cinematic M was a promotion for a minor character from an earlier film, and not a case of TheOtherDarrin) and some radically different portrayals of Miss Moneypenny and Q, respectively as a field agent who retired and a... [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking young person]].]] That said, the movie is well-regarded by many others partly 'because'' it's so subversive, and proves that the franchise still has life in it after half a century.



* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Specific mention is made of Mallory [[spoiler: being a captive of the IRA for three months]], but nobody ever draws attention to how [[spoiler: he still serves England and Silva became a FallenHero under similar conditions]]. It's more likely that the comparison was supposed to be between Silva and Bond. Both were sacrificed by M for the sake of a mission. Yet Bond, despite his anger, came back and fought for her (and with her), whereas the embittered Silva plotted her downfall.

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Specific mention is made of Mallory [[spoiler: being [[spoiler:being a captive of the IRA for three months]], but nobody ever draws attention to how [[spoiler: he [[spoiler:he still serves England and Silva became a FallenHero under similar conditions]]. It's more likely that the comparison was supposed to be between Silva and Bond. Both were sacrificed by M for the sake of a mission. Yet Bond, despite his anger, came back and fought for her (and with her), whereas the embittered Silva plotted her downfall.
20th Aug '17 4:49:35 PM QueenofSwords
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* UnfortunateImplications: Bond's seduction of Severine. Mendes likely never intended to have it interpreted as such but, given Severine's [[SexSlave background]], there's a strong possibility that when Bond initiated sex she may have felt like she had no choice in the matter. [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmoIDKqfY44 Even]] WebVideo/CinemaSins hangs a lampshade on the discomfort. Then again, she obviously was waiting for him, with champagne chilling, earlier, and seemed disappointed when he didn't show, so it's fairly ambiguous.

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* UnfortunateImplications: Bond's seduction of Severine. Mendes likely never intended to have it interpreted as such but, given Severine's [[SexSlave background]], there's a strong possibility that when Bond initiated sex she may have felt like she had no choice in the matter. [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmoIDKqfY44 Even]] WebVideo/CinemaSins hangs a lampshade on the discomfort. Then again, she obviously was waiting for him, with champagne chilling, earlier, and seemed disappointed when he didn't show, so it's fairly ambiguous.
30th May '17 12:29:43 PM Bense
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* UnfortunateImplications: Bond's seduction of Severine. Mendes likely never intended to have it interpreted as such but, given Severine's [[SexSlave background]], there's a strong possibility that when Bond initiated sex she may have felt like she had no choice in the matter. [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmoIDKqfY44 Even]] WebVideo/CinemaSins hangs a lampshade on the discomfort.

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* UnfortunateImplications: Bond's seduction of Severine. Mendes likely never intended to have it interpreted as such but, given Severine's [[SexSlave background]], there's a strong possibility that when Bond initiated sex she may have felt like she had no choice in the matter. [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmoIDKqfY44 Even]] WebVideo/CinemaSins hangs a lampshade on the discomfort. Then again, she obviously was waiting for him, with champagne chilling, earlier, and seemed disappointed when he didn't show, so it's fairly ambiguous.
21st May '17 11:52:38 AM CumbersomeTercel
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* ChaoticEvil: Raoul Silva fluctuates between being a giggling goofball and a dangerous murderer with little provocation. Sometimes he's both. His messed up psyche has some justification, given that he [[spoiler:was betrayed by M and survived a suicide by cyanide tablet]].
14th Apr '17 2:55:36 PM CytiseChromatique
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* HarsherInHindsight: Silva's hacking attacks on MI6, using skull imagery and insulting language while completely taking over the organization's computer systems and releasing classified information on agents, call to mind the massive hack attack on the film's distributor, Sony Pictures, that crippled the company in late 2014 and led to the release of a large number of private and compromising documents, including many related to ''Film/{{Spectre}}'', the follow-up to ''Skyfall''.

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* HarsherInHindsight: HarsherInHindsight:
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Silva's hacking attacks on MI6, using skull imagery and insulting language while completely taking over the organization's computer systems and releasing classified information on agents, call to mind the massive hack attack on the film's distributor, Sony Pictures, that crippled the company in late 2014 and led to the release of a large number of private and compromising documents, including many related to ''Film/{{Spectre}}'', the follow-up to ''Skyfall''.
14th Apr '17 2:52:48 PM CytiseChromatique
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*** After the explosion at MI-6, the news reports "a terrorist attack in the heart of London, leaving 6 dead and many more injured". In March 2017, a terrorist attack in Westminster (just two bridges further) also claimed the lives of 6 (including the perpetrator) and left many more injured.

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*** ** After the explosion at MI-6, the news reports "a terrorist attack in the heart of London, leaving 6 dead and many more injured". In March 2017, a terrorist attack in Westminster (just two bridges further) also claimed the lives of 6 (including the perpetrator) and left many more injured.
14th Apr '17 2:52:18 PM CytiseChromatique
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*** After the explosion at MI-6, the news reports "a terrorist attack in the heart of London, leaving 6 dead and many more injured". In March 2017, a terrorist attack in Westminster (just two bridges further) also claimed the lives of 6 (including the perpetrator) and left many more injured.
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