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** King Michel. Is he a well meaning king who simply doesn't know much about the lower classes like the WordOfGod says or is he genuinely indifferent to the plight of Thorum Mare poorer citizens and needs Oscar and his wife to push him into helping them? Likewise, does he truly love Oscar as his child or did he only accept her because his wife's actions gave him no choice but to acknowledge her? Furthermore, there are multiple unanswered questions about his relationship to Oscar's mother, such as who she was, and did he knowingly send her away pregnant with no support? He had no idea Oscar had been born, so most likely not, but if she was an employee at the palace as some have theorised then the need to keep their relationship a secret may have cost her her livlihood. His relationship with Oscar's mother ended before he and Queen Sylvia had even met, so he's never been unfaithful to his wife at least.

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** King Michel. Is he a well meaning king who simply doesn't know much about the lower classes like the WordOfGod says or is he genuinely indifferent to the plight of Thorum Mare poorer citizens and needs Oscar and his wife to push him into helping them? Likewise, does he truly love Oscar as his child or did he only accept her because his wife's actions gave him no choice but to acknowledge her? Furthermore, there are multiple unanswered questions about his relationship to Oscar's mother, such as who she was, and did he knowingly send her away pregnant with no support? He had no idea Oscar had been born, so most likely not, but if she was an employee at the palace as some have theorised then the need to keep their relationship a secret may have cost her her livlihood.livelihood. His relationship with Oscar's mother ended before he and Queen Sylvia had even met, so he's never been unfaithful to his wife at least.



* TheScrappy: Clementine had started to become this to a good majority of readers. While she has an interesting backstory, her unapologetic actions and attitude during her later years really turned a lot of readers against her, feeling she comes off more like a forceful and hypocritical brat then a messiah figure the story is trying to paint her as. Citing that they don't mind if she has flaws, but the fact that she hardly seemed to compromise with a lot of people who were just worried for her and likewise stubborn insistence ended up causing ''a lot'' of problems in the story. [[spoiler: It doesn't help that Claire starts exhibiting these traits in later chapters though hope at the least this time, she'll learn where her previous incarnation failed.]]



* TheScrappy: Clementine had started to become this to a good majority of readers. While she has an interesting backstory, her unapologetic actions and attitude during her later years really turned a lot of readers against her, feeling she comes off more like a forceful and hypocritical brat then a messiah figure the story is trying to paint her as. Citing that they don't mind if she has flaws, but the fact that she hardly seemed to compromise with a lot of people who were just worried for her and likewise stubborn insistence ended up causing ''a lot'' of problems in the story. [[spoiler: It doesn't help that Claire starts exhibiting these traits in later chapters though hope at the least this time, she'll learn where her previous incarnation failed.]]
* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: Some readers, specifically older ones who read the comic since it's early days, liked the more quirky tone in the beginning and find current tone very off putting as they feel it betrayed expectations and sucked most of the fun out of the story thanks to newfound AuthorAppeal. This didn't get any better when the updated pages were posted as said fans felt betrayed even further.

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* TheScrappy: Clementine had started to become this to a good majority of readers. While she has an interesting backstory, her unapologetic actions and attitude during her later years really turned a lot of readers against her, feeling she comes off more like a forceful and hypocritical brat then a messiah figure the story is trying to paint her as. Citing that they don't mind if she has flaws, but the fact that she hardly seemed to compromise with a lot of people who were just worried for her and likewise stubborn insistence ended up causing ''a lot'' of problems in the story. [[spoiler: It doesn't help that Claire starts exhibiting these traits in later chapters though hope at the least this time, she'll learn where her previous incarnation failed.]]
* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: Some readers, specifically older ones who read the comic since it's its early days, liked the more quirky tone in the beginning and find current tone very off putting as they feel it betrayed expectations and sucked most of the fun out of the story thanks to newfound AuthorAppeal. This didn't get any better when the updated pages were posted as said fans felt betrayed even further.
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* EvilIsSexy:
** Sister Cat.
** Also [[http://yamino.deviantart.com/art/EvilCat-Gabrielle-Wallpaper-128891459 this Gabrielle picture]]. [[LampshadeHanging "Apparently being possessed by Evil Cat increases your sexiness by X 10!"]]
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* AuthorsSavingThrow: The reveal that witches suppressing their magick can result in mental and physical degradation that eventually leads to painful death, which is a much better reason for using magick even though it draws the attention of Shards than the "being true to yourself" moral that Clementine gave Oscar.
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* TastesLikeDiabetes: Any and all scenes that focuses on romance, family or friendship is designed to be as sappy as possible.

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* AngstWhatAngst: "Mother of the City" deals with [[spoiler:the aftermath of the fall of Eden and the deaths of Clementine, Catherine and Michel.]] Sylvia broods a bit in the beginning but most of the chapter is spent focusing on her romantic relationship with Sabine.



* ContinuityLockOut: A controversial aspect of ''Missing Moments'', which was originally created to be supplementary to the main comic, is the fact that it has effectively become the main source of story and character development due to its consistent and plot heavy updates allowing it to eclipse the glacial slow pacing of the comic. Additionally, the comic has introduced many characters and storylines from ''Missing Moments'' with little to no proper introduction or foreshadowing and a large number of major plot points of the comic have been resolved in the pages of the ''Missing Moments'', meaning you must follow both series to fully understand the plot.

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* ContinuityLockOut: A controversial aspect of Many have noted that ''Missing Moments'', which was originally created to be supplementary to the main comic, is the fact that it has effectively become the main source of story and character development due to its consistent and plot heavy updates allowing it to eclipse the glacial slow pacing of the comic. Additionally, the comic has introduced many characters and storylines from ''Missing Moments'' with little to no proper introduction or foreshadowing and a large number of major plot points of the comic have been resolved in the pages of the ''Missing Moments'', meaning you must follow both series to fully understand the plot. Moments''.
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* WatchedItForTheRepresentation: The comic started to garner this reputation after the author, Yamino, came out as as a lesbian and her partner joined in on writing the story. Even moreso when a good majority of the cast turned out to be gay, bi or trans. Yamino herself is a major advocate for gay pride on Website/{{Twitter}}, so that likewise helped.

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* WatchedItForTheRepresentation: The comic started to garner this reputation after the author, Yamino, came out as as a lesbian and her partner joined in on writing the story. Even moreso more so when a good majority of the cast turned out to be gay, bi or trans. Yamino herself is a major advocate for gay pride on Website/{{Twitter}}, so that likewise helped.
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* SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped: LGBT people deserve as much compassion and respect as their counterparts. Failing to give it to them hurts both the LGBT community and society as a whole.
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* WatchedItForTheRepresentation: The comic started to garner this reputation after the author, Yamino, came out as as a lesbian and her partner joined in on writing the story. Even moreso when a good majority of the cast turned out to be gay, bi or trans. Yamino herself is a major advocate for gay pride on Website/{{Twitter}}, so that likewise helped.

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** The comic's named cast is almost entirely made up of LGBTQIA+ characters, and it talks a fair bit about LGBT issues. The degree of subtlety varies but it's usually pretty transparent when the authors want to take some time to discuss opression.

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** The comic's named cast is almost entirely made up of LGBTQIA+ characters, and it talks a fair bit about LGBT issues. The degree of subtlety varies but it's usually pretty transparent when the authors want to take some time to discuss opression.oppression.



** Witches are used as an allegory for the opressed, particularly the queer community, and as such magick is depicted as an almost entirely positive thing which faces prejudice from bigots. In fact, suggesting that witches shouldn't use magic is akin to telling a gay person to stay in the closet and witches who suppress their magical abilities, either willingly or by force, has been shown to suffer from life threatening degradation.

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** Witches are used as an allegory for the opressed, oppressed, particularly the queer community, and as such magick is depicted as an almost entirely positive thing which faces prejudice from bigots. In fact, suggesting that witches shouldn't use magic is akin to telling a gay person to stay in the closet and witches who suppress their magical abilities, either willingly or by force, has been shown to suffer from life threatening degradation.



* {{Woobie}}: Claire. Her younger self, especially.

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* %%* {{Woobie}}: Claire. Her younger self, especially.especially.
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** King Michel. Is he a well meaning king who simply doesn't know much about the lower classes like the WordOfGod says or is he genuinely indifferent to the plight of Thorum Mare poorer citizens and needs Oscar and his wife to push him into helping them? Likewise, does he truly love Oscar as his child or did he only accept her because his wife's actions gave him no choice but to acknowledge her? Furthermore, there are multiple unanswered questions about the extent of his infidelity, such as what was his relationship with Oscar's mother, did he knowingly send her away pregnant with no support? His relationship with her ended before he and Sylvia were a couple, but since their marriage was arranged he was probably at least engaged to her at the time.

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** King Michel. Is he a well meaning king who simply doesn't know much about the lower classes like the WordOfGod says or is he genuinely indifferent to the plight of Thorum Mare poorer citizens and needs Oscar and his wife to push him into helping them? Likewise, does he truly love Oscar as his child or did he only accept her because his wife's actions gave him no choice but to acknowledge her? Furthermore, there are multiple unanswered questions about the extent of his infidelity, such as what was his relationship with to Oscar's mother, such as who she was, and did he knowingly send her away pregnant with no support? He had no idea Oscar had been born, so most likely not, but if she was an employee at the palace as some have theorised then the need to keep their relationship a secret may have cost her her livlihood. His relationship with her Oscar's mother ended before he and Queen Sylvia were a couple, but since their marriage was arranged he was probably had even met, so he's never been unfaithful to his wife at least engaged to her at the time.least.



** The comic talks a lot about LGBT issues and is usually about as subtle as a heart-attack when it does.

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** The comic comic's named cast is almost entirely made up of LGBTQIA+ characters, and it talks a lot fair bit about LGBT issues and is issues. The degree of subtlety varies but it's usually about as subtle as a heart-attack pretty transparent when it does. the authors want to take some time to discuss opression.



** Witches are used as an allegory for gay people and minorities, meaning that magick will almost never be put into a negative light and people who don't want them using magick are seen as misguided or bigots. In fact, suggesting that witches shouldn't use magic is akin to telling a gay person to stay in the closet and witches who suppress their magical abilities, either willingly or by force, has been shown to suffer from life threatening degradation.

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** Witches are used as an allegory for gay people the opressed, particularly the queer community, and minorities, meaning that as such magick will is depicted as an almost never be put into a negative light and people who don't want them using magick are seen as misguided or entirely positive thing which faces prejudice from bigots. In fact, suggesting that witches shouldn't use magic is akin to telling a gay person to stay in the closet and witches who suppress their magical abilities, either willingly or by force, has been shown to suffer from life threatening degradation.



* AuthorsSavingThrow: The reveal that witches suppressing their magick can result in mental and physical degradation that eventually leads to painful death, which is a much better reason for using magick than the "being true to yourself" moral that Clementine gave Oscar.

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* AuthorsSavingThrow: The reveal that witches suppressing their magick can result in mental and physical degradation that eventually leads to painful death, which is a much better reason for using magick even though it draws the attention of Shards than the "being true to yourself" moral that Clementine gave Oscar.



** The reveal that [[spoiler:Maman and Captain Josephine]] might still be alive, as well as the introduction of [[spoiler:Nib and Magpie]] into the main comic. While some like the connections between the comic and ''Missing Moments'', others are annoyed that the story is continuing focusing on Clementine's life and friends instead of creating new characters for Claire to interact with.

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** The reveal that [[spoiler:Maman and Captain Josephine]] might still be alive, as well as the introduction of [[spoiler:Nib and Magpie]] into the main comic. While some like the connections between the comic and ''Missing Moments'', others are annoyed that the story is continuing focusing on Clementine's life and friends instead of creating new characters for Claire to interact with. There's also the debate over whether introducing a lot of new characters would cause the cast to become overly bloated or not.
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** Oscar and Catherine's relationship veers towards this for a small number of readers.[[spoiler: They met each other in their early teens and their relationship involved a mutual crush almost from the offset, but before long Catherine is informally adopted by Maman. They very clearly have never seen each other as siblings, nor do any other characters view them as such, so their situation growing up generally comes across as 'teenagers who happened to live in the same orphanage', but them having a shared adoptive mother means they skew too close to adoptive siblings for comfort in the minds of some readers.]]

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** The excessive focus on homosexuality and gender identity. While most fans like the character development and do praise the comic for tackling such issues, others feel these focuses have overstayed their welcome and a major stall to the MythArc of the story with Yamino and Ash are just beating us over the head with it by now, bordering on AuthorAppeal.
** The [[http://www.sisterclaire.com/comic.php?id=280 reveal]] that Sister Oscar is [[spoiler: transgender.]]



* LesYay: The author comment even [[LampshadeHanging lampshades]] it [[http://www.sisterclaire.com/comic.php?id=56 here]]. Also can carry into TwinCest between Rosalie and Marie.



** The Twins crush on Oscar becomes a tad squicky with the reveal of [[spoiler:them being her little sisters. And worse, WordOfGod says the two of them don't know their real relationship to her.]]

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** The Twins crush on Oscar becomes a tad squicky with the reveal of [[spoiler:them being her little sisters. And worse, WordOfGod says the two of them don't know their real relationship to her.her, and memory loss means they don't regard Catherine and Oscar as parental figures anymore. Oscar remembers though, and a livewrite shows that she would find her sisters-come-adoptive-daughters finding her attractive to be highly disturbing.]]
** Oscar and Catherine's relationship veers towards this for a small number of readers.[[spoiler: They met each other in their early teens and their relationship involved a mutual crush almost from the offset, but before long Catherine is informally adopted by Maman. They very clearly have never seen each other as siblings, nor do any other characters view them as such, so their situation growing up generally comes across as 'teenagers who happened to live in the same orphanage', but them having a shared adoptive mother means they skew too close to adoptive siblings for comfort in the minds of some readers.
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** King Michel. Is he a well meaning king who simply doesn't know much about the lower classes like the WordOfGod says or is he genuinely indifferent to the plight of Thorum Mare poorer citizens and needs Oscar and his wife to push him into helping them? Likewise, does he truly love Oscar as his child or did he only accept her because his wife's actions gave him no choice but to acknowledge her? Furthermore, there are multiple unanswered questions about the extent of his infidelity, such as what was his relationship with Oscar's mother, did he knowingly send her away pregnant with no support, how many other mistresses did he have, and exactly when did he stop cheating on his wife?

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** King Michel. Is he a well meaning king who simply doesn't know much about the lower classes like the WordOfGod says or is he genuinely indifferent to the plight of Thorum Mare poorer citizens and needs Oscar and his wife to push him into helping them? Likewise, does he truly love Oscar as his child or did he only accept her because his wife's actions gave him no choice but to acknowledge her? Furthermore, there are multiple unanswered questions about the extent of his infidelity, such as what was his relationship with Oscar's mother, did he knowingly send her away pregnant with no support, how many other mistresses did support? His relationship with her ended before he have, and exactly when did Sylvia were a couple, but since their marriage was arranged he stop cheating on his wife?was probably at least engaged to her at the time.

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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Catherine and Gabrielle know the full story about what happened to Clementine but they won't talk about it because the memories hurt them too much, which is why [[NiceGirl Claire]] won't press them for answers. Considering that the two manipulated and lied to Claire for her entire life, them choosing not to be open with what they know due to them not wanting to bring up painful memories makes them look more selfish than sympathetic.

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Catherine and Gabrielle know the full story about what happened to Clementine but they won't talk about it because the memories hurt them too much, which is why [[NiceGirl Claire]] won't press them for answers. Considering that the two manipulated and lied to Claire for her entire life, them choosing not to be open with what they know due to them not wanting to bring up painful memories makes them look more selfish than sympathetic.sympathetic.
** Witches in general. As described in the {{Anvilicious}} entry above, anyone with a negative opinion on them is treated like an uninformed bigot, and that they should be free to use their powers...except more often than not, Witches are ''legitimately'' dangerous. With frequent power instability, and the side-effect of drawing in/becoming Shards. Leading some to actually side with the anti-Witch characters.
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* CrackPairing: Lupo and Cog met at the end of Chapter 2 and have yet to have any significant onscreen interaction but get placed in a burgeoning romance due being the only two single men in the supporting cast.
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* CatharsisFactor: After years of largely getting away with some truly foolhardy moves, the missing moment stories "Rivoluzione" and "Porto" have basically the entire cast, from Oscar, Catherine and even Gabby drag Clementine for a plan that could very well kill hordes of people.

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* ContinuityLockOut: A controversial aspect of ''Missing Moments'', which was originally created to be supplementary to the main comic, is the fact that it has effectively become the main source of story and character development due to its consistent and plot heavy updates allowing it to eclipse the molasses slow pacing of the comic. Additionally, the comic has introduced many characters and storylines from ''Missing Moments'' with little to no proper introduction or foreshadowing. Similarly, a large number of major plot points of the comic have been resolved in the pages of the side series.

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* ContinuityLockOut: A controversial aspect of ''Missing Moments'', which was originally created to be supplementary to the main comic, is the fact that it has effectively become the main source of story and character development due to its consistent and plot heavy updates allowing it to eclipse the molasses glacial slow pacing of the comic. Additionally, the comic has introduced many characters and storylines from ''Missing Moments'' with little to no proper introduction or foreshadowing. Similarly, foreshadowing and a large number of major plot points of the comic have been resolved in the pages of the side series.''Missing Moments'', meaning you must follow both series to fully understand the plot.


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* TastesLikeDiabetes: Any and all scenes that focuses on romance, family or friendship is designed to be as sappy as possible.
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** It's also not helped that the comic seems to drag the story out as long as it can. There are an excessive number of pages where nothing happens or characters having conversations where only one person speaks per page.

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** It's also not helped that the The comic seems to drag updates twice a week, though if the story out as long as Patreon dips below $1000, then it can. goes on a once a week update schedule until the month after the goal has been re-reached. This wouldn't be bad if the comic's plot didn't move at an incredibly slow rate. There are is an excessive number of pages where either nothing of note happens or characters having have conversations where only one person speaks per page.



* ContinuityLockOut: While the main comic moves along a snail's pace, the bulk of character and story development happen in side stories of the better paced ''Missing Moments''. So as the events of the two series begin to intertwine more and more, it's beginning to become necessary to be reading the side stories to fully understand the events of the comic. This has becomes a bit of a complaint with some readers, citing that, at best, Missing Moments should be a supplementary piece to side stories about the characters to give more context for them, not an out for the authors to use if Yamino isn't up to the task of drawing plot points for her comic (especially if she plans on making volume sets and selling them. There's generally a reason most comic book fans aren't keen on tie-ins to mainstream comics).

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* ContinuityLockOut: While the main comic moves along a snail's pace, the bulk A controversial aspect of character and story development happen in side stories of the better paced ''Missing Moments''. So as Moments'', which was originally created to be supplementary to the events of main comic, is the two series begin to intertwine more and more, it's beginning to fact that it has effectively become necessary to be reading the side stories main source of story and character development due to fully understand its consistent and plot heavy updates allowing it to eclipse the events molasses slow pacing of the comic. This Additionally, the comic has becomes a bit of a complaint with some readers, citing that, at best, Missing Moments should be a supplementary piece to side stories about the introduced many characters and storylines from ''Missing Moments'' with little to give more context for them, not an out for the authors to use if Yamino isn't up to the task no proper introduction or foreshadowing. Similarly, a large number of drawing major plot points for her of the comic (especially if she plans on making volume sets and selling them. There's generally a reason most comic book fans aren't keen on tie-ins to mainstream comics).have been resolved in the pages of the side series.
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* ContinuityLockOut: While the main comic moves along a snail's pace, the bulk of character and story development happen in side stories of the better paced ''Missing Moments''. So as the events of the two series begin to intertwine more and more, it's beginning to become necessary to be reading the side stories to fully understand the events of the comic. This has becomes a bit of a compliant with some readers, citing that, at best, Missing Moments should be a supplementary piece to side stories about the characters to give more context for them, not an out for the authors to use if Yamino isn't up to the task of drawing plot points for her comic (especially if she plans on making volume sets and selling them. There's generally a reason most comic book fans aren't keen on tie-ins to mainstream comics).
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* ContinuityLockOut: While the main comic moves along a snail's pace, the bulk of character and story development happen in side stories of the better paced ''Missing Moments''. So as the events of the two series begin to intertwine more and more, it's beginning to become necessary to be reading the side stories to fully understand the events of the comic. This has becomes a bit of a compliant complaint with some readers, citing that, at best, Missing Moments should be a supplementary piece to side stories about the characters to give more context for them, not an out for the authors to use if Yamino isn't up to the task of drawing plot points for her comic (especially if she plans on making volume sets and selling them. There's generally a reason most comic book fans aren't keen on tie-ins to mainstream comics).
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* ContinuityLockOut: While the main comic moves along a snail's pace, the bulk of character and story development happen in side stories of the better paced ''Missing Moments''. So as the events of the two series begin to intertwine more and more, it's beginning to become necessary to be reading the side stories to fully understand the events of the comic.

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* ContinuityLockOut: While the main comic moves along a snail's pace, the bulk of character and story development happen in side stories of the better paced ''Missing Moments''. So as the events of the two series begin to intertwine more and more, it's beginning to become necessary to be reading the side stories to fully understand the events of the comic. This has becomes a bit of a compliant with some readers, citing that, at best, Missing Moments should be a supplementary piece to side stories about the characters to give more context for them, not an out for the authors to use if Yamino isn't up to the task of drawing plot points for her comic (especially if she plans on making volume sets and selling them. There's generally a reason most comic book fans aren't keen on tie-ins to mainstream comics).

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** Witches are used as an allegory gay and minorities, meaning that magick will almost never be put into a negative light and people who don't want them using magick are seen as misguided or bigots. In fact, suggesting that witches shouldn't use magic is akin to telling a gay person to stay in the closet and witches who suppress their magical abilities, either willingly or by force, has been shown to suffer from life threatening degradation.

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** Witches are used as an allegory for gay people and minorities, meaning that magick will almost never be put into a negative light and people who don't want them using magick are seen as misguided or bigots. In fact, suggesting that witches shouldn't use magic is akin to telling a gay person to stay in the closet and witches who suppress their magical abilities, either willingly or by force, has been shown to suffer from life threatening degradation.
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** Witches are used as an allegory gay and minorities, meaning that magick will almost never be put into a negative light and people who don't want them using magick are seen as misguided or bigots. In fact, suggesting that witches shouldn't use magic is akin to telling a gay person to stay in the closet and witches who suppress their magical abilities, either willingly or by force, has been shown to suffer from life threatening degradation.
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* AuthorsSavingThrow: The reveal that witches suppressing their magick can result in mental and physical degradation that eventually leads to painful death, which is a much better reason for using magick than the "being true to yourself" moral that Clementine gave Oscar.


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** The reveal that [[spoiler:Maman and Captain Josephine]] might still be alive, as well as the introduction of [[spoiler:Nib and Magpie]] into the main comic. While some like the connections between the comic and ''Missing Moments'', others are annoyed that the story is continuing focusing on Clementine's life and friends instead of creating new characters for Claire to interact with.
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** King Michel. Is he a well meaning king who simply doesn't know much about the lower classes like the WordOfGod says or is he genuinely indifferent to the plight of Thorum Mare poorer citizens and needs Oscar and his wife to push him into helping them? Likewise, does he truly love Oscar as his child or did he only accept her because his wife's actions gave he no choice but to acknowledge her? Furthermore, there are multiple unanswered questions about the extent of his infidelity, such as what was his relationship with Oscar's mother, did he knowingly send her away pregnant with no support, how many other mistresses did he have, and exactly when did he stop cheating on his wife?

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** King Michel. Is he a well meaning king who simply doesn't know much about the lower classes like the WordOfGod says or is he genuinely indifferent to the plight of Thorum Mare poorer citizens and needs Oscar and his wife to push him into helping them? Likewise, does he truly love Oscar as his child or did he only accept her because his wife's actions gave he him no choice but to acknowledge her? Furthermore, there are multiple unanswered questions about the extent of his infidelity, such as what was his relationship with Oscar's mother, did he knowingly send her away pregnant with no support, how many other mistresses did he have, and exactly when did he stop cheating on his wife?



* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Catherine and Gabrielle know the full story about what happened to Clementine but they won't talk about it because the memories hurt them too much, which is why [[NiceGirl Claire]] won't press them for answers. Considering that the two manipulated and lied Claire for her entire life, them choosing not to be open with what they know due to them not wanting to bring up painful memories makes them look more selfish than sympathetic.

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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Catherine and Gabrielle know the full story about what happened to Clementine but they won't talk about it because the memories hurt them too much, which is why [[NiceGirl Claire]] won't press them for answers. Considering that the two manipulated and lied to Claire for her entire life, them choosing not to be open with what they know due to them not wanting to bring up painful memories makes them look more selfish than sympathetic.
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* NeverLiveItDown: Despite her fleshed out backstory and sympathetic motives, some people refuse to forgive Hanabi for almost killing Oscar in her introductory page.
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