History YMMV / Sherlock

25th Apr '17 7:49:42 PM GF93
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** [[spoiler:[[PsychopathicWomanchild Eurus Holmes]]]] crosses it very early on when it's established that [[spoiler:[[EnfanteTerrible when she and Sherlock were children]], she murdered [[WouldHurtAChild his childhood friend]] Victor (AKA Redbeard) [[DisproportionateRetribution out of petty jealousy at their friendship]] by drowning him in a well, and then tried to murder Sherlock as well by burning down their house. And this is many, ''many'' years before the events of ''The Final Problem'', during which it's established that she previously drove a psychiatrist to commit MurderSuicide and [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil raped and killed a nurse]], forces a man to murder his own family, plays DeadlyGames with her brothers (inflicting horrific MindRape on them in the process), and [[HeadsIWinTailsYouLose nonchalantly executes several hostages even when her games were followed to the letter]], all with sadistic glee and a sickening smile on her face]].

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** [[spoiler:[[PsychopathicWomanchild Eurus Holmes]]]] crosses it very early on when it's established that [[spoiler:[[EnfanteTerrible when she and Sherlock were children]], she murdered [[WouldHurtAChild his childhood friend]] Victor (AKA Redbeard) [[DisproportionateRetribution out of petty jealousy at their friendship]] by drowning him in a well, and then tried to murder Sherlock as well by burning down their house. house]]. And this is many, ''many'' years before the events of ''The Final Problem'', during which it's established that she [[spoiler:she previously drove a psychiatrist to commit MurderSuicide and [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil raped and killed a nurse]], forces a man to murder his own family, plays DeadlyGames with her brothers (inflicting horrific MindRape on them in the process), and [[HeadsIWinTailsYouLose nonchalantly executes several hostages even when her games were followed to the letter]], all with sadistic glee and a sickening smile on her face]].
25th Apr '17 7:48:39 PM GF93
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** [[spoiler:Eurus Holmes]] crosses it very early on when it's established that [[spoiler:[[EnfanteTerrible when she and Sherlock were children]], she murdered [[WouldHurtAChild his childhood friend]] Victor (AKA Redbeard) [[DisproportionateRetribution out of petty jealousy at their friendship]] by drowning him in a well, and then tried to murder Sherlock as well by burning down their house. And this is many, ''many'' years before the events of ''The Final Problem'', during which she forces a man to murder his own family, plays DeadlyGames with her brothers (inflicting horrific MindRape on them in the process), and [[HeadsIWinTailsYouLose nonchalantly executes several hostages even when her games were followed to the letter]], all with sadistic glee and a sickening smile on her face]].

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** [[spoiler:Eurus Holmes]] [[spoiler:[[PsychopathicWomanchild Eurus Holmes]]]] crosses it very early on when it's established that [[spoiler:[[EnfanteTerrible when she and Sherlock were children]], she murdered [[WouldHurtAChild his childhood friend]] Victor (AKA Redbeard) [[DisproportionateRetribution out of petty jealousy at their friendship]] by drowning him in a well, and then tried to murder Sherlock as well by burning down their house. And this is many, ''many'' years before the events of ''The Final Problem'', during which it's established that she previously drove a psychiatrist to commit MurderSuicide and [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil raped and killed a nurse]], forces a man to murder his own family, plays DeadlyGames with her brothers (inflicting horrific MindRape on them in the process), and [[HeadsIWinTailsYouLose nonchalantly executes several hostages even when her games were followed to the letter]], all with sadistic glee and a sickening smile on her face]].



** Two glorious examples in "His Last Vow": First is Sherlock [[spoiler:dramatically crawling up the stairs back to his mind palace complete with infinitely swelling music]], second is [[spoiler: Magnussen enjoying himself just a little too much while going through the files in his own mind palace]].

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** Two glorious examples in "His Last Vow": First is Sherlock [[spoiler:dramatically crawling up the stairs back to his mind palace complete with infinitely swelling music]], second is [[spoiler: Magnussen [[spoiler:Magnussen enjoying himself just a little too much while going through the files in his own mind palace]].
25th Apr '17 7:45:12 PM GF93
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** [[spoiler:Eurus Holmes]] crosses it very early on when it's established that [[spoiler:when she and Sherlock were children, she murdered [[WouldHurtAChild his childhood friend]] Redbeard [[DisproportionateRetribution out of petty jealousy at their friendship]], by drowning him in a well. And this is many, ''many'' years before the events of ''The Final Problem'', during which she forces a man to murder his own family, plays DeadlyGames with her brothers (inflicting horrific MindRape on them in the process), and [[HeadsIWinTailsYouLose executes several hostages even when her games were followed to the letter]], all with sadistic glee and a sickening smile on her face]].

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** [[spoiler:Eurus Holmes]] crosses it very early on when it's established that [[spoiler:when [[spoiler:[[EnfanteTerrible when she and Sherlock were children, children]], she murdered [[WouldHurtAChild his childhood friend]] Redbeard Victor (AKA Redbeard) [[DisproportionateRetribution out of petty jealousy at their friendship]], friendship]] by drowning him in a well. well, and then tried to murder Sherlock as well by burning down their house. And this is many, ''many'' years before the events of ''The Final Problem'', during which she forces a man to murder his own family, plays DeadlyGames with her brothers (inflicting horrific MindRape on them in the process), and [[HeadsIWinTailsYouLose nonchalantly executes several hostages even when her games were followed to the letter]], all with sadistic glee and a sickening smile on her face]].
25th Apr '17 7:40:51 PM GF93
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** [[spoiler:Eurus Holmes]] crosses it very early on when it's established that [[spoiler:when she and Sherlock were children, she murdered [[WouldHurtAChild his childhood friend]] Redbeard [[DisproportionateRetribution out of petty jealousy at their friendship]], by drowning him in a well. And this is many, ''many'' years before the events of ''The Final Problem'', during which she forces a man to murder his own family, plays DeadlyGames with her brothers (inflicting horrific MindRape on them in the process), and [[HeadsIWinTailsYouLose executes several hostages even when her games were followed to the letter]], all with sadistic glee and a sickening smile on her face]].
20th Apr '17 9:13:55 AM Anddrix
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** [[HellIsThatNoise The sounds John makes with his mouth]] in "The Six Thatchers" after [[spoiler:Mary dies in his arms]].

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** [[HellIsThatNoise The sounds John makes with his mouth]] mouth in "The Six Thatchers" after [[spoiler:Mary dies in his arms]].
13th Apr '17 2:10:03 AM NightShade96
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: John [[spoiler:eventually deciding to stay with Mary after learning her secret. Does it show his dedication and love, or is he only staying with her because of the baby?]] Season 4's episode, "The Six Thatchers" has believers of the latter feeling this is supported by John [[spoiler:starting to show interest in another woman, taking this to indeed imply he was no longer in love with Mary after she shot Sherlock.]]
** Sherlock seems never to remember Lestrade's first name. Does he really 'delete' it every time-or is he just screwing with Lestrade by pretending to forget? The Final Problem seems to imply the latter.

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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: AlternativeCharacterInterpretation:
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John [[spoiler:eventually deciding to stay with Mary after learning her secret. Does it show his dedication and love, or is he only staying with her because of the baby?]] Season 4's episode, "The Six Thatchers" has believers of the latter feeling this is supported by John [[spoiler:starting to show interest in another woman, taking this to indeed imply he was no longer in love with Mary after she shot Sherlock.]]
** Sherlock seems never to remember Lestrade's first name. Does he really 'delete' it every time-or is he just screwing with Lestrade by pretending to forget? The "The Final Problem Problem" seems to imply the latter.



* BrokenBase:
** Season 3 is subject to ferocious debate.
** The large amount of HomoeroticSubtext between John and Sherlock (which has even been {{lampshade|Hanging}}d multiple times) has caused many reactions by the fandom. Some viewers enjoy it or even believe it is genuine ShipTease to hint at John and Sherlock getting a RelationshipUpgrade while others believe that the writers have no plan on getting John and Sherlock together and simply added the subtext to attract more YaoiFangirls.
** Season 4:
*** Episode 1, "The Six Thatchers", has been one of the most polarising episodes to date:
*** Some fans outright detested it for [[spoiler: focusing on drama rather than an actual case and for focusing too heavily on Mary and her super spy background. It goes without saying that a lot of fans disliked the fact that John, of all people, was unfaithful, and that he was ultimately pushed to the background by both Sherlock ''and'' Mary; the former stating that Mary was far better at helping him. Mary taking a bullet for Sherlock and dying was also disliked because it was poorly set up, and shot in a way that looked absolutely ridiculous. Some fans also disliked that Sherlock was made more 'human', to the point of seeing a psychologist at the end of the episode.]]
*** However, other fans thought it was a refreshing episode with a much needed change of pace. [[spoiler: They liked that Mary got some more backstory, and enjoyed that she was made into a badass super spy, rather than just sitting in the background with the baby. They liked that there was more action, as opposed to detective work, and liked seeing the dynamic of Sherlock and Mary working together. Fans also liked the implication that John isn't perfect, and did cheat on his wife, and they also liked seeing the more human side of Sherlock.]] In other words, most opinions on this episode are extremely contrasting in nature.
*** There is a third group which dislikes some things from the former points while enjoying others.
*** The finale "The Final Problem" ''[[UpToEleven somehow manages to be even more polarizing]]'' to the point of causing significant InternetBackdraft, with [[http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-38635953 the episode's ratings hitting an all-time low]] for the series:
*** [[spoiler:Some believe that it was an intense, emotional roller-coaster of an episode and served its role as an exhilarating conclusion for the darkest and most tragic season of ''Sherlock''. [[EarnYourHappyEnding The ending of the episode]] is considered to be both a satisfying uplifting wrap up of the series, in case it is indeed the end, and a positive affirmation of [[AndTheAdventureContinues the immortal status of Sherlock Holmes’ legend]]]].
*** [[spoiler:Some believe that it is by far the ''worst'' episode of the whole series, considering it to be a particularly edgy variation of JumpingTheShark. Why? The series makes a drastic {{genre shift}} to what may be considered an out of place ''Franchise/{{Saw}}'' rip-off with newly arrived Holmes sibling [[DarkMagicalGirl Eurus]] serving as an improbable antagonist. She shatters viewers' [[WillingSuspensionOfDisbelief suspension of disbelief]] regarding what is humanly possible, even by the show’s already borderline-superhuman standards, with her superpowers including ''instant brainwashing of anyone she meets and predicting terror attacks in an hour based on Twitter patterns''. Like most antagonists of the series, she is obsessed with Sherlock and uses her [[InformedAbility alleged]] intellect to construct a clichéd slasher maze full of {{sadistic choice}}s. This whole incredibly {{complex|ityAddiction}} and [[CrazyPrepared well-prepared]] long-range plan, based on numerous [[GambitRoulette unpredictable]] variables, was forged by her and Jim Moriarty in '''''five minutes''''', breaking the suspension of disbelief even further. Unsurprisingly, both Sherlock and Mycroft look severely [[TheWorfEffect underpowered and helpless]] in this episode, playing by the villain's rules for quite some time. [[PlotInducedStupidity Mycroft specifically turns out to be an imbecile]] by letting a dangerously-psychotic genius mastermind have an unsupervised conversation with another dangerously-psychotic genius mastermind, who both openly obsessed over and directly threatened his little brother. Ultimately, Sherlock defeats his sister through equally magical abilities and empathy, revealing the horrible truth about what happened to Redbeard in the process and learning about the undercooked [[DrivenByEnvy motivation]] of Eurus. Unsurprisingly, lots and lots of blatant {{plot hole}}s appear. Perhaps it is also not surprising that some people saw it as a bad fanfiction rather than a genuine episode.]]
*** [[spoiler:Not to mention how emotionally oppressive and uncomfortable to watch "The Final Problem" was. Witnessing [[AllLoveIsUnrequited Molly Hooper]] being humiliated again by being forced to confess her love to Sherlock ''by'' an equally-humiliated and unwilling Sherlock was an especially gruelling experience for quite a lot of fans.]]
*** [[spoiler:Mary's narration at the end is seen as either a touching way to cover the ending montage, while others found it {{Narm}} and out of place. A fan edit was made removing the narration, which had many people feeling it made the ending a lot better.]]
*** [[spoiler:Some fans think that despite the episode’s plot being a mess, its emotional moments, especially the ending, as well as completed character arcs for Sherlock and John were more than enough to make up for its other shortcomings.]]
*** [[spoiler:Yet another group liked the episode fine despite its flaws, but disliked the GrandFinale-like ending, feeling it came out of ''nowhere'' after the whole Eurus story, thus ruining an episode that could have been fine on its own if not for it being treated as the very last.]]
*** [[spoiler:Other than the argument of whether or not it was a good finale, the fact that John and Sherlock are not explicitly in a relationship did not go over silently. One half of the fandom is enraged that the creators queerbaited them for the entire series only to not go through with it at the end. The other half point out that the creators never said the relationship would happen, and that a few people looked too deeply into John and Sherlock's relationship. The argument of whether the Johnlock ship is more appreciated than the show itself is a ''whole new war entirely''.]]
** Aside from (possibly) "The Lying Detective", the first and final episodes of the series were ''polarizing'' at best, with critics and fans crying out how the series became less about of a detective series and more action packed and obsessed with the mentality of DarkerAndEdgier. "The Final Problem" became the biggest polarizing episode however, with '''more''' fans and critics debating on whether the series ended on a good note or if it ended in a cop out, especially with the revelations involving [[spoiler: Eurus]]. And of course it lead to ''some'' fans attacking [[ScapegoatCreator Steven Moffat]] [[RunningGag for "ruining the show"]], like some do to the [[Series/DoctorWho other show]] he runs for.

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* BrokenBase:
** Season 3 is subject to ferocious debate.
** The large amount of HomoeroticSubtext between John and Sherlock (which has even been {{lampshade|Hanging}}d multiple times) has caused many reactions by the fandom. Some viewers enjoy it or even believe it is genuine ShipTease to hint at John and Sherlock getting a RelationshipUpgrade while others believe that the writers have no plan on getting John and Sherlock together and simply added the subtext to attract more YaoiFangirls.
** Season 4:
*** Episode 1, "The Six Thatchers", has been one of the most polarising episodes to date:
*** Some fans outright detested it for [[spoiler: focusing on drama rather than an actual case and for focusing too heavily on Mary and her super spy background. It goes without saying that a lot of fans disliked the fact that John, of all people, was unfaithful, and that he was ultimately pushed to the background by both Sherlock ''and'' Mary; the former stating that Mary was far better at helping him. Mary taking a bullet for Sherlock and dying was also disliked because it was poorly set up, and shot in a way that looked absolutely ridiculous. Some fans also disliked that Sherlock was made more 'human', to the point of seeing a psychologist at the end of the episode.]]
*** However, other fans thought it was a refreshing episode with a much needed change of pace. [[spoiler: They liked that Mary got some more backstory, and enjoyed that she was made into a badass super spy, rather than just sitting in the background with the baby. They liked that there was more action, as opposed to detective work, and liked seeing the dynamic of Sherlock and Mary working together. Fans also liked the implication that John isn't perfect, and did cheat on his wife, and they also liked seeing the more human side of Sherlock.]] In other words, most opinions on this episode are extremely contrasting in nature.
*** There is a third group which dislikes some things from the former points while enjoying others.
*** The finale "The Final Problem" ''[[UpToEleven somehow manages to be even more polarizing]]'' to the point of causing significant InternetBackdraft, with [[http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-38635953 the episode's ratings hitting an all-time low]] for the series:
*** [[spoiler:Some believe that it was an intense, emotional roller-coaster of an episode and served its role as an exhilarating conclusion for the darkest and most tragic season of ''Sherlock''. [[EarnYourHappyEnding The ending of the episode]] is considered to be both a satisfying uplifting wrap up of the series, in case it is indeed the end, and a positive affirmation of [[AndTheAdventureContinues the immortal status of Sherlock Holmes’ legend]]]].
*** [[spoiler:Some believe that it is by far the ''worst'' episode of the whole series, considering it to be a particularly edgy variation of JumpingTheShark. Why? The series makes a drastic {{genre shift}} to what may be considered an out of place ''Franchise/{{Saw}}'' rip-off with newly arrived Holmes sibling [[DarkMagicalGirl Eurus]] serving as an improbable antagonist. She shatters viewers' [[WillingSuspensionOfDisbelief suspension of disbelief]] regarding what is humanly possible, even by the show’s already borderline-superhuman standards, with her superpowers including ''instant brainwashing of anyone she meets and predicting terror attacks in an hour based on Twitter patterns''. Like most antagonists of the series, she is obsessed with Sherlock and uses her [[InformedAbility alleged]] intellect to construct a clichéd slasher maze full of {{sadistic choice}}s. This whole incredibly {{complex|ityAddiction}} and [[CrazyPrepared well-prepared]] long-range plan, based on numerous [[GambitRoulette unpredictable]] variables, was forged by her and Jim Moriarty in '''''five minutes''''', breaking the suspension of disbelief even further. Unsurprisingly, both Sherlock and Mycroft look severely [[TheWorfEffect underpowered and helpless]] in this episode, playing by the villain's rules for quite some time. [[PlotInducedStupidity Mycroft specifically turns out to be an imbecile]] by letting a dangerously-psychotic genius mastermind have an unsupervised conversation with another dangerously-psychotic genius mastermind, who both openly obsessed over and directly threatened his little brother. Ultimately, Sherlock defeats his sister through equally magical abilities and empathy, revealing the horrible truth about what happened to Redbeard in the process and learning about the undercooked [[DrivenByEnvy motivation]] of Eurus. Unsurprisingly, lots and lots of blatant {{plot hole}}s appear. Perhaps it is also not surprising that some people saw it as a bad fanfiction rather than a genuine episode.]]
*** [[spoiler:Not to mention how emotionally oppressive and uncomfortable to watch "The Final Problem" was. Witnessing [[AllLoveIsUnrequited Molly Hooper]] being humiliated again by being forced to confess her love to Sherlock ''by'' an equally-humiliated and unwilling Sherlock was an especially gruelling experience for quite a lot of fans.]]
*** [[spoiler:Mary's narration at the end is seen as either a touching way to cover the ending montage, while others found it {{Narm}} and out of place. A fan edit was made removing the narration, which had many people feeling it made the ending a lot better.]]
*** [[spoiler:Some fans think that despite the episode’s plot being a mess, its emotional moments, especially the ending, as well as completed character arcs for Sherlock and John were more than enough to make up for its other shortcomings.]]
*** [[spoiler:Yet another group liked the episode fine despite its flaws, but disliked the GrandFinale-like ending, feeling it came out of ''nowhere'' after the whole Eurus story, thus ruining an episode that could have been fine on
BrokenBase: Has [[BrokenBase/{{Sherlock}} its own if not for it being treated as the very last.]]
*** [[spoiler:Other than the argument of whether or not it was a good finale, the fact that John and Sherlock are not explicitly in a relationship did not go over silently. One half of the fandom is enraged that the creators queerbaited them for the entire series only to not go through with it at the end. The other half point out that the creators never said the relationship would happen, and that a few people looked too deeply into John and Sherlock's relationship. The argument of whether the Johnlock ship is more appreciated than the show itself is a ''whole new war entirely''.]]
** Aside from (possibly) "The Lying Detective", the first and final episodes of the series were ''polarizing'' at best, with critics and fans crying out how the series became less about of a detective series and more action packed and obsessed with the mentality of DarkerAndEdgier. "The Final Problem" became the biggest polarizing episode however, with '''more''' fans and critics debating on whether the series ended on a good note or if it ended in a cop out, especially with the revelations involving [[spoiler: Eurus]]. And of course it lead to ''some'' fans attacking [[ScapegoatCreator Steven Moffat]] [[RunningGag for "ruining the show"]], like some do to the [[Series/DoctorWho other show]] he runs for.
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23rd Mar '17 6:34:53 AM LondonKdS
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* OffendingTheCreatorsOwn: Despite co-creator Mark Gatiss being gay, a faction of the fanbase is convinced that the show is homophobic, due to the constant in-universe and out-of-universe teasing and hinting about the possibility of John/Sherlock [[BaitAndSwitchLesbians never being fulfilled]] with a canon sexual relationship, Irene Adler identifying initially as a lesbian but then falling for Sherlock, and major villains Jim Moriarty and [[spoiler:Eurus Holmes]] both being hinted to be {{Depraved Bisexual}}s.
10th Mar '17 2:03:20 PM SorPepita
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** '''All'' of "The Final Problem", from [[spoiler: Eurus's MindRape of the brothers (and John) to the reveal of Redbeard]].

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** '''All'' ''All'' of "The Final Problem", from [[spoiler: Eurus's MindRape of the brothers (and John) to the reveal of Redbeard]].



** [[spoiler: Eurus]], considering being the ''smartest'' of the [[spoiler: Holmes siblings]] and being able to [[spoiler: MindRape '''everyone''' at Sherrinford to Sherlock, Mycroft, and John]], which is saying a lot.



** [[spoiler: Eurus]], considering being the ''smartest'' of the [[spoiler: Holmes siblings]] and being able to [[spoiler: MindRape '''everyone''' at Sherrinford to Sherlock, Mycroft, and John]], which is saying a lot.
8th Mar '17 12:16:49 PM Noraneko
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* SeasonalRot: Though Season 4 [[BrokenBase isn't universally disliked]], it has the weakest reception of the entire show among critics and audiences alike. Whereas the first three seasons easily racked up scores in the 90s (with the first season getting a perfect 100) on [[Website/RottenTomatoes]], Season 4 couldn't even clear 70, and is the only season to get a "rotten" audience score with a dismal 36%. Weaker plotlines and writing, the introduction of the ''extremely'' divisive Eurus, increasingly unbelievable one-upping plot twists and a controversial potential final episode that borders on (if not outright falls into) JumpingTheShark made it fail to live up to its beloved predecessors, which even some supporters of the season admit.

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* SeasonalRot: Though Season 4 [[BrokenBase isn't universally disliked]], it has the weakest reception of the entire show among critics and audiences alike. Whereas the first three seasons easily racked up scores in the 90s (with the first season getting a perfect 100) on [[Website/RottenTomatoes]], Website/RottenTomatoes, Season 4 couldn't even clear 70, and is the only season to get a "rotten" audience score with a dismal 36%. Weaker plotlines and writing, the introduction of the ''extremely'' divisive Eurus, increasingly unbelievable one-upping plot twists and a controversial potential final episode that borders on (if not outright falls into) JumpingTheShark made it fail to live up to its beloved predecessors, which even some supporters of the season admit.
8th Mar '17 12:15:37 PM Noraneko
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* SeasonalRot: Though Season 4 [[BrokenBase isn't universally disliked]], it has the weakest reception of the entire show among critics and audiences alike. Whereas the first three seasons easily racked up scores in the 90s (with the first season getting a perfect 100) on [[Website/RottenTomatoes]], Season 4 couldn't even clear 70, and is the only season to get a "rotten" audience score with a dismal 36%. Weaker plotlines and writing, the introduction of the ''extremely'' divisive Eurus, increasingly unbelievable one-upping plot twists and a controversial potential final episode that borders on (if not outright falls into) JumpingTheShark made it fail to live up to its beloved predecessors, which even some supporters of the season admit.
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