History YMMV / ShadowTheHedgehog

18th Sep '17 1:31:10 PM Luigifan
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** "Looks like these black creatures really mean business!" and various other lines in game to that effect are popular to bring up, making fun of the fact that ''everyone'' constantly mentions what color the aliens are in a way that [[UnfortunateImplications makes them sound like psychotic racists]].

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** "Looks like these black creatures really mean business!" and various other lines in the game to that effect are popular to bring up, making fun of the fact that ''everyone'' constantly mentions what color the aliens are in a way that [[UnfortunateImplications makes them sound like psychotic racists]].



* OlderThanTheyThink: ''This'' was the game to introduce skydiving mechanics, not ''VideoGame/SonicUnleashed''. This is also the first game to involve parkour-esque wall-running mechanics as an expansion on the Triangle Jump, not ''VideoGame/SonicLostWorld''. It also features a [[VideoGame/SonicUnleashed boost]], although in a different form, and you can only use it if you go the hero path.

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* OlderThanTheyThink: ''This'' was the game to introduce skydiving mechanics, not ''VideoGame/SonicUnleashed''. This is also the first game to involve parkour-esque wall-running mechanics as an expansion on the [[VideoGame/Sonic Heroes Triangle Jump, Jump]], not ''VideoGame/SonicLostWorld''. It also features a [[VideoGame/SonicUnleashed boost]], although in a different form, and you can only use it if you go the hero path.



** It's very difficult to find anyone who likes Black Doom as a villain. Between having a very uninteresting "alien overlord" design, being shoehorned into Shadow's established backstory, having no whimsical characteristics (unlike Eggman), interesting backstory (unlike Chaos), nor even being a genuinely intimidating and entertaining MagnificentBastard (unlike Mephiles), it's not hard to see why.
** The G.U.N. Commander has his fair share of people spiting his existence as well. A younger brother figure to Maria, he's so heartbroken by her death fifty years previous that he blames Shadow for everything that happened aboard the ARK -- [[{{Hypocrite}} despite rising to take lead of the very same faction that caused it,]] with nothing remotely insisting that he did so to reform it or such. When he witnesses TheReveal as a child, some have taken it to loosely imply he could've been the reason why G.U.N. found out, meaning ''he'' was indirectly responsible for Maria's death and Shadow's entire plotline of angst and trauma. And [[KarmaHoudini all he gets]] is a MyGodWhatHaveIDone when he realizes Shadow wasn't truly at fault.

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** It's very difficult to find anyone who likes Black Doom as a villain. Between having a very uninteresting "alien overlord" design, being shoehorned into Shadow's established backstory, having no whimsical characteristics (unlike Eggman), interesting backstory (unlike Chaos), nor even being a genuinely intimidating and entertaining MagnificentBastard (unlike Mephiles), [[VideoGame/SonicTheHedgehog2006 Mephiles]]), it's not hard to see why.
** The G.U.N. Commander has his fair share of people spiting his existence as well. A younger brother figure to Maria, he's so heartbroken by her death fifty years previous ago that he blames Shadow for everything that happened aboard the ARK -- [[{{Hypocrite}} despite rising to take lead leadership of the very same faction that caused it,]] with nothing remotely insisting that he did so to reform it or such. When he witnesses TheReveal as a child, some have taken it to loosely imply he could've been the reason why G.U.N. found out, meaning ''he'' was indirectly responsible for Maria's death and Shadow's entire plotline of angst and trauma. And [[KarmaHoudini all he gets]] is a MyGodWhatHaveIDone when he realizes Shadow wasn't truly at fault.



** The effectiveness of the weapons depends on what version you're playing. Works pretty well on the Gamecube version but is utterly useless on the [=PS2=] version. Also, the targeting system seems to have issues when it comes to short-ranged weapons, yet works really well once you start getting medium to long-ranged weapons.

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** The effectiveness of the weapons depends on what version you're playing. Works pretty well on the Gamecube version version, but is utterly useless on the [=PS2=] version. Also, the targeting system seems to have issues when it comes to short-ranged weapons, yet works really well once you start getting medium to long-ranged weapons.



** Cosmic Fall is a MAJOR pain in the ass because of the numerous tricky jumps over rotating platforms, and you'll have to fight with the awkward camera throughout the entire level; good luck beating this level on hard mode! The main saving graces are that both of its missions are to get to the end of the level (one is just further away), and parts of the mission are very fast.

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** Cosmic Fall is a MAJOR ''major'' pain in the ass because of the numerous tricky jumps over rotating platforms, and you'll have to fight with the awkward camera throughout the entire level; good luck beating this level on hard mode! The main saving graces are that both of its missions are to get to the end of the level (one is just further away), and parts of the mission are very fast.



** Central City. Take the bland visuals of Westopolis, add the maze like elements of The Doom and Lost Impact with the same issue of repetitive confusing visuals, no goal ring (so no Neutral mission to speed through), and an 8 minute time limit.
** Black Comet. Visually bland, repetitive level design, ridiculous length, and lots of liquid that acts as bottomless pits. It gets worse, though -- several sections require you to use the air saucers to maneuver across masses of liquid, only aliens AND military soldiers alike are shooting the hell out of you, and if the saucer runs out of health, down you go.

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** Central City. Take the bland visuals of Westopolis, add the maze like maze-like elements of The Doom and Lost Impact with the same issue of repetitive confusing visuals, no goal ring (so no Neutral mission to speed through), and [[TimedMission an 8 minute 8-minute time limit.
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** Black Comet. Visually bland, repetitive level design, ridiculous length, and lots of liquid that acts as bottomless pits. It gets worse, though -- several sections require you to use the air saucers to maneuver across masses of liquid, only aliens AND ''and'' military soldiers alike are shooting the hell out of you, and if the saucer runs out of health, down you go.



** The ''entire premise'' of Shadow deciding whether to be a hero or villain was simplified down to: "Maybe this guy knows about my past... no maybe this other guy." There's no involvement of actual character morals whatsoever, and the RandomEventsPlot nature of whatever route you take blocks out any CharacterDevelopment we might see from Shadow. Also, the Good/Neutral/Evil routes barely have an impact on the story, despite potential for compelling storytelling drama over whoever sees Shadow as an enemy or an ally.

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** The ''entire premise'' of Shadow deciding whether to be a hero or a villain was simplified down to: "Maybe this guy knows about my past... no maybe this other guy." There's no involvement of actual character morals whatsoever, and the RandomEventsPlot nature of whatever route you take blocks out any CharacterDevelopment we might see from Shadow. Also, the Good/Neutral/Evil routes barely have an impact on the story, despite potential for compelling storytelling drama over whoever sees Shadow as an enemy or an ally.



* UglyCute: Some, or at least [[WebVideo/TheLostBoys ZeldaMaster]], find Black Bull cute in an odd way as stated in [[http://youtu.be/5lQzSxfz7TM this]] video.

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* UglyCute: Some, or at least [[WebVideo/TheLostBoys ZeldaMaster]], find Black Bull cute in an odd way way, as stated in [[http://youtu.be/5lQzSxfz7TM this]] video.this video]].



** The premise of the story is built on the fact that Shadow never asked any of his friends about his past, or never even told them that he was trying to search for clues to his past. Even if they never knew about the Black Arms' involvement, what they knew his past would have saved Shadow a lot of time.

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** The premise of the story is built on the fact that Shadow never asked any of his friends about his past, or never even told them that he was trying to search for clues to his past. Even if they never knew about the Black Arms' involvement, what they knew of his past would have saved Shadow a lot of time.
18th Sep '17 1:11:58 PM Luigifan
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** The [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wLYtj_yq8E&channel=BrawlBRSTMs3 "Eggman" Remix]]. Eggman is listening to it in-game - tapping his foot to it -- and there's a full version of it on the soundtrack.

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** The [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wLYtj_yq8E&channel=BrawlBRSTMs3 "Eggman" Remix]]. Eggman is listening to it in-game - -- tapping his foot to it -- and there's a full version of it on the soundtrack.
17th Sep '17 7:04:35 AM Luigifan
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** Listen closely to the song that plays when Shadow transforms into his Super form - Towards the end, the guitar riff from [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rM85TNMnUkA Live & Learn]] can be heard.

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** Listen closely to the song that plays when Shadow transforms into his Super form - Towards -- towards the end, the guitar riff from [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rM85TNMnUkA Live & Learn]] can be heard.



** The [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wLYtj_yq8E&channel=BrawlBRSTMs3 "Eggman" Remix]]. Eggman is listening to it in-game - tapping his foot to it - and there's a full version of it on the soundtrack.

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** The [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wLYtj_yq8E&channel=BrawlBRSTMs3 "Eggman" Remix]]. Eggman is listening to it in-game - tapping his foot to it - -- and there's a full version of it on the soundtrack.



** The Dark mission in Air Fleet - chasing and shooting down the president's escape pod - is a wonderful mix of fast-paced Sonic gameplay combined with third-person shooting. It's one of three missions with that mechanic, one of the other two being Lethal Highway above.

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** The Dark mission in Air Fleet - -- chasing and shooting down the president's escape pod - -- is a wonderful mix of fast-paced Sonic ''Sonic'' gameplay combined with third-person shooting. It's one of three missions with that mechanic, one of the other two being Lethal Highway above.



* BreatherLevel: Any level where you just have to get to the end, especially if you were doing Hero or Dark missions before. Getting to the end is easier than finding stuff. However, The Ark's Normal mission stands out - all you do is just fly on a Black Arms bat thing for the entire level, only you were required to do the Dark missions of either Central City or The Doom to get here, both of which are ThatOneLevel and detailed on this page.

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* BreatherLevel: Any level where you just have to get to the end, especially if you were doing Hero or Dark missions before. Getting to the end is easier than finding stuff. However, The Ark's Normal mission stands out - -- all you do is just fly on a Black Arms bat thing for the entire level, only you were required to do the Dark missions of either Central City or The Doom to get here, both of which are ThatOneLevel and detailed on this page.



* CompleteMonster: [[NamesToRunAwayFrom Black]] {{Doom|yDoomsOfDoom}} is [[BigBad the leader of the Black Arms]] and a [[KnightOfCerebus completely humorless]] EvilutionaryBiologist. Having [[AliensAreBastards visited the Earth]] for thousands of years, he [[VideoGame/SonicAdventure2 made contact with Gerald Robotnik]] 50 years prior to the series, agreeing to a deal where a creation using Black Doom’s cells, the future Shadow the Hedgehog, would deliver the Chaos Emeralds so that the Black Arms can use Chaos Control to arrive on Earth and bring prosperity to humanity. Gerald realized once Doom left that he was lied to, as Black Doom intended to enslave the human race and use them as a [[ToServeMan food source]]. During the events of the game, he preaches about the [[KnightTemplar evils of humanity]] and how they don’t deserve to be free, claiming they would be better served as a [[ImAHumanitarian food source]] for the Black Arms, all while showing he has no regrets killing his own men or [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness throwing away his “son” when everything is finished]]. During the game, he sends his army to kill millions, manipulated Shadow by forcing him to relive Maria’s death, destroys an entire city--and most of his army--with the Eclipse Cannon, and spreads a gas that paralyzes Sonic and friends to make it easier for his offspring to eat them. [[{{Hypocrite}} Hypocritical]], ruthless and uncaring to even his own, Black Doom is [[VileVillainSaccharineShow among the worst]] the world of ''Sonic the Hedgehog'' has to offer.

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* CompleteMonster: [[NamesToRunAwayFrom Black]] {{Doom|yDoomsOfDoom}} is [[BigBad the leader of the Black Arms]] and a [[KnightOfCerebus completely humorless]] EvilutionaryBiologist. Having [[AliensAreBastards visited the Earth]] for thousands of years, he [[VideoGame/SonicAdventure2 made contact with Gerald Robotnik]] 50 years prior to the series, agreeing to a deal where a creation using Black Doom’s cells, the future Shadow the Hedgehog, would deliver the Chaos Emeralds so that the Black Arms can use Chaos Control to arrive on Earth and bring prosperity to humanity. Gerald realized once Doom left that he was lied to, as Black Doom intended to enslave the human race and use them as a [[ToServeMan food source]]. During the events of the game, he preaches about the [[KnightTemplar evils of humanity]] and how they don’t deserve to be free, claiming they would be better served as a [[ImAHumanitarian food source]] for the Black Arms, all while showing he has no regrets killing his own men or [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness throwing away his “son” when everything is finished]]. During the game, he sends his army to kill millions, manipulated Shadow by forcing him to relive Maria’s death, destroys an entire city--and city -- and most of his army--with army -- with the Eclipse Cannon, and spreads a gas that paralyzes Sonic and friends to make it easier for his offspring to eat them. [[{{Hypocrite}} Hypocritical]], ruthless ruthless, and uncaring to even his own, Black Doom is [[VileVillainSaccharineShow among the worst]] the world of ''Sonic the Hedgehog'' has to offer.



** [[spoiler:Shadow has alien DNA]]. The only reason this is spoiled is because it's almost identical to a plot twist from [[Anime/KillLAKill another story starring a black and red edgy character]].

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** [[spoiler:Shadow has alien DNA]]. DNA.]] [[ItWasHisSled The only reason reason]] this is spoiled is because it's almost identical to a plot twist from [[Anime/KillLAKill another story starring a black and red edgy character]].



* HolyShitQuotient: The game's introduction is loaded with it, but what should stand out as a shock to most is the question of whether Shadow has just finished ''beating the ever living crap out of Sonic''.

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* HolyShitQuotient: The game's introduction is loaded with it, but what should stand out as a shock to most is the question of whether Shadow has just finished ''beating ''[[NoHoldsBarredBeatdown beating the ever living ever-living crap out of Sonic''.Sonic]]''.



** "Find the Computer Room!", which both the fanbase and SEGA launched on top of to create the sneakiest injoke of Summer of Sonic '09 - in particular, putting up confusing signs to the computer room. Of course, it's also in the placeholder for [[http://www.sonic-city.com Sonic City]], and even became the name of a website.

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** "Find the Computer Room!", which both the fanbase and SEGA launched on top of to create the sneakiest injoke of Summer of Sonic '09 - -- in particular, putting up confusing signs to the computer room. Of course, it's also in the placeholder for [[http://www.sonic-city.com Sonic City]], and even became the name of a website.



** [[http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/652/918/68a.jpg Ow, the Edge.]] [[labelnote:Explanation]]Similar to the "[[VideoGame/DonkeyKongCountry EXPAND DONG]]" meme, fans have taken to chopping up various pieces of screenshots and the game's logo to spell out this phrase in response to the incredibly in-your-face DarkerAndEdgier aesthetic of the game, which has also gone on to extend to other utterly over the top "edgy" characters, stories or series.[[/labelnote]]

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** [[http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/652/918/68a.jpg Ow, the Edge.]] [[labelnote:Explanation]]Similar to the "[[VideoGame/DonkeyKongCountry EXPAND DONG]]" meme, fans have taken to chopping up various pieces of screenshots and the game's logo to spell out this phrase in response to the incredibly in-your-face DarkerAndEdgier aesthetic of the game, which has also gone on to extend to other utterly over the top over-the-top "edgy" characters, stories stories, or series.[[/labelnote]]



** "Looks like these black creatures really mean business!" and various other lines in game to that effect are popular to bring up, making fun of the fact that ''everyone'' constantly mentions what color the aliens are in a way that makes them sound like psychotic racists.

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** "Looks like these black creatures really mean business!" and various other lines in game to that effect are popular to bring up, making fun of the fact that ''everyone'' constantly mentions what color the aliens are in a way that [[UnfortunateImplications makes them sound like psychotic racists.racists]].



** His final chance to cross it for certain paths can count as a success. In three of the endings, [[spoiler:he decides to kill everyone's favorite eggheaded scientist.]]

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** His final chance to cross it for certain paths can count as a success. In three of the endings, [[spoiler:he decides to kill everyone's favorite eggheaded scientist.]]scientist]].



* NarmCharm: Of course, if you're a fan of the game you probably get off on this kind of game, and even people who don't like it have admitted that its hilariously toothless attempt at a DarkerAndEdgier Sonic game makes it memorable even today.
* OlderThanTheyThink: ''This'' was the game to introduce skydiving mechanics, not ''VideoGame/SonicUnleashed''. This is also the first game to involve parkour-esque wall-running mechanics as an expansion on the Triangle Jump, not ''VideoGame/SonicLostWorld''. It also features a [[VideoGame/SonicUnleashed boost]] although in a different form, and you can only use it if you go the hero path.

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* NarmCharm: Of course, if you're a fan of the game game, you probably get off on this kind of game, and even people who don't like it have admitted that its hilariously toothless attempt at a DarkerAndEdgier Sonic ''Sonic'' game makes it memorable even today.
* OlderThanTheyThink: ''This'' was the game to introduce skydiving mechanics, not ''VideoGame/SonicUnleashed''. This is also the first game to involve parkour-esque wall-running mechanics as an expansion on the Triangle Jump, not ''VideoGame/SonicLostWorld''. It also features a [[VideoGame/SonicUnleashed boost]] boost]], although in a different form, and you can only use it if you go the hero path.



** The G.U.N. Commander has his fair share of people spiting his existence as well. A younger brother figure to Maria, he's so heartbroken by her death fifty years previous that he blames Shadow for everything that happened aboard the ARK - [[{{Hypocrite}} despite rising to take lead of the very same faction that caused it,]] with nothing remotely insisting that he did so to reform it or such. When he witnesses TheReveal as a child, some have taken it to loosely imply he could've been the reason why G.U.N. found out, meaning ''he'' was indirectly responsible for Maria's death and Shadow's entire plotline of angst and trauma. And [[KarmaHoudini all he gets]] is a MyGodWhatHaveIDone when he realizes Shadow wasn't truly at fault.

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** The G.U.N. Commander has his fair share of people spiting his existence as well. A younger brother figure to Maria, he's so heartbroken by her death fifty years previous that he blames Shadow for everything that happened aboard the ARK - -- [[{{Hypocrite}} despite rising to take lead of the very same faction that caused it,]] with nothing remotely insisting that he did so to reform it or such. When he witnesses TheReveal as a child, some have taken it to loosely imply he could've been the reason why G.U.N. found out, meaning ''he'' was indirectly responsible for Maria's death and Shadow's entire plotline of angst and trauma. And [[KarmaHoudini all he gets]] is a MyGodWhatHaveIDone when he realizes Shadow wasn't truly at fault.



** The "hunting" missions of every kind are terribly designed, which really hurt as they comprise about 60% of the whole game. You have no radar, and there are rarely "extra" enemies/stuff to find if you miss a few, and the only way to backtrack is to keep moving forward until you find another checkpoint. And all of these problems wouldn't be too bad, but the linear stage design just makes them unbearable, and it doesn't help that the monotone colors makes it really hard to find things. Team Chaotix had something like this in ''SonicHeroes'' (itself not well-liked either), only there you were only required to find half the things most of the time, rather than all of them, and there were more colours in that game so things stood out more.

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** The "hunting" missions of every kind are terribly designed, which really hurt as they comprise about 60% of the whole game. You have no radar, and there are rarely "extra" enemies/stuff to find if you miss a few, and the only way to backtrack is to keep moving forward until you find another checkpoint. And all of these problems wouldn't be too bad, but the linear stage design just makes them unbearable, and it doesn't help that the monotone colors makes it really hard to find things. Team Chaotix had something like this in ''SonicHeroes'' ''VideoGame/SonicHeroes'' (itself not well-liked either), only there you were only required to find half the things most of the time, rather than all of them, and there were more colours in that game so things stood out more.



** Even with The Doom slowing things down whichever way you play it, Lost Impact is the hardest, most tedious level in the game. It's slower due to the slow-moving GUN Lifts, with more Artificial Chaos to hunt - not to mention they are a powerful enemy. And on top of everything else, they are just about the only enemy that gives Hero points, so you won't even charge Chaos Control to speed your way in the Neutral mission.

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** Even with The Doom slowing things down whichever way you play it, Lost Impact is the hardest, most tedious level in the game. It's slower due to the slow-moving GUN Lifts, with more Artificial Chaos to hunt - -- not to mention they are a powerful enemy. And on top of everything else, they are just about the only enemy that gives Hero points, so you won't even charge Chaos Control to speed your way in the Neutral mission.



** Black Comet. Visually bland, repetitive level design, ridiculous length, and lots of liquid that acts as bottomless pits. It gets worse though - several sections require you to use the air saucers to maneuver across masses of liquid, only aliens AND military soldiers alike are shooting the hell out of you, and if the saucer runs out of health, down you go.

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** Black Comet. Visually bland, repetitive level design, ridiculous length, and lots of liquid that acts as bottomless pits. It gets worse worse, though - -- several sections require you to use the air saucers to maneuver across masses of liquid, only aliens AND military soldiers alike are shooting the hell out of you, and if the saucer runs out of health, down you go.



** Shadow's implied RoboticReveal towards the end of ''Heroes'' would have made things even more interesting... But it's only even really mentioned in the last two of the neutral-route levels, and thus the two endings where Shadow accepts this as fact are two of the absolute least canon, even when taking the game's story before the OmegaEnding as BroadStrokes. Instead, we just have to accept that Shadow had an UnexplainedRecovery after ''Adventure 2''. At least they do cover that [[spoiler:Shadow was rescued by Eggman as he fell, so at least it isn't left hanging, but only if you wait 9 minutes into the final boss, as it's never in any actual cutscenes]].

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** Shadow's implied RoboticReveal towards the end of ''Heroes'' would have made things even more interesting... But it's only even really mentioned in the last two of the neutral-route levels, and thus the two endings where Shadow accepts this as fact are two of the absolute least canon, even when taking the game's story before the OmegaEnding as BroadStrokes. Instead, we just have to accept that Shadow had an UnexplainedRecovery after ''Adventure 2''. At least they do cover that [[spoiler:Shadow was rescued by Eggman as he fell, so at least it isn't left hanging, {{left hanging}}, but only if you wait 9 minutes into the final boss, as it's never in any actual cutscenes]].
4th Sep '17 9:26:15 AM ReynTime250
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** This game isn't the only game to include lots of swearing of a typical kid friendly game series while also having guns with an E10+ rating. In fact [[VideoGame/MarioPlusRabbidsKingdomBattle Sonic's very own rival did the same thing]] and got good reviews.
3rd Sep '17 4:03:57 AM LucaEarlgrey
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** "Where's that ''damn'' fourth Chaos Emerald?" In ''VideoGame/SonicMania'', many players agree that the Chaos Emerald Special Stages [[DifficultySpike start getting significantly harder]] around the fourth Special Stage. In other words, many players are struggling with ''that damn fourth Chaos Emerald''.

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** "Where's that ''damn'' fourth Chaos Emerald?" In ''VideoGame/SonicMania'', many Many ''VideoGame/SonicMania'' players agree that the Chaos Emerald Special Stages [[DifficultySpike start getting significantly harder]] around the fourth Special Stage. In other words, many players are struggling with ''that damn fourth Chaos Emerald''.
3rd Sep '17 4:03:36 AM LucaEarlgrey
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** "Where's that ''damn'' fourth Chaos Emerald?" In ''VideoGame/SonicMania'', many players agree that the Chaos Emerald Special Stages [[DifficultySpike start getting significantly harder]] around the fourth Special Stage. In other words, many players are struggling with ''that damn fourth Chaos Emerald''.
24th Aug '17 6:41:08 PM Raikoh
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** The G.U.N. Commander has his fair share of people spiting his existence as well. A younger brother figure to Maria, he's so heartbroken by her death fifty years previous that he blames Shadow for everything that happened aboard the ARK - [[{{Hypocrite}} despite being in charge of the very same faction that caused it.]] When he witnesses TheReveal as a child, some have taken it to loosely imply he could've been the reason why G.U.N. found out, meaning ''he'' was indirectly responsible for Maria's death and Shadow's entire plotline of angst and trauma. And [[KarmaHoudini all he gets]] is a MyGodWhatHaveIDone when he realizes Shadow wasn't truly at fault.

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** The G.U.N. Commander has his fair share of people spiting his existence as well. A younger brother figure to Maria, he's so heartbroken by her death fifty years previous that he blames Shadow for everything that happened aboard the ARK - [[{{Hypocrite}} despite being in charge rising to take lead of the very same faction that caused it.]] it,]] with nothing remotely insisting that he did so to reform it or such. When he witnesses TheReveal as a child, some have taken it to loosely imply he could've been the reason why G.U.N. found out, meaning ''he'' was indirectly responsible for Maria's death and Shadow's entire plotline of angst and trauma. And [[KarmaHoudini all he gets]] is a MyGodWhatHaveIDone when he realizes Shadow wasn't truly at fault.
24th Aug '17 6:38:21 PM Raikoh
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* TheScrappy: It's very difficult to find anyone who likes Black Doom as a villain. Between having a very uninteresting "alien overlord" design, being shoehorned into Shadow's established backstory, having no whimsical characteristics (unlike Eggman), interesting backstory (unlike Chaos), nor even being a genuinely intimidating and entertaining MagnificentBastard (unlike Mephiles), it's not hard to see why.

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* TheScrappy: TheScrappy:
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It's very difficult to find anyone who likes Black Doom as a villain. Between having a very uninteresting "alien overlord" design, being shoehorned into Shadow's established backstory, having no whimsical characteristics (unlike Eggman), interesting backstory (unlike Chaos), nor even being a genuinely intimidating and entertaining MagnificentBastard (unlike Mephiles), it's not hard to see why.why.
** The G.U.N. Commander has his fair share of people spiting his existence as well. A younger brother figure to Maria, he's so heartbroken by her death fifty years previous that he blames Shadow for everything that happened aboard the ARK - [[{{Hypocrite}} despite being in charge of the very same faction that caused it.]] When he witnesses TheReveal as a child, some have taken it to loosely imply he could've been the reason why G.U.N. found out, meaning ''he'' was indirectly responsible for Maria's death and Shadow's entire plotline of angst and trauma. And [[KarmaHoudini all he gets]] is a MyGodWhatHaveIDone when he realizes Shadow wasn't truly at fault.
23rd Aug '17 3:47:49 PM N8han11
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* BaseBreakingCharacter: To elaborate, the base was already pretty broken over if Shadow's return in Heroes was a good thing or not. This game did nothing but add fuel to that fire. In fact, this game cemented Shadow as ''the'' most divisive character in the series bar none. To this day, fans are split on whether he is still a good character who's just been the victim of overexposure and bad writing, or a glorified Marty Stu who should have died after his debut and does not fit with the whimsical nature of the series.

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* BaseBreakingCharacter: To elaborate, the The base was already pretty broken over if Shadow's return in Heroes was a good thing or not. This not, and this game did nothing but add fuel to that fire. In fact, this game cemented Shadow as ''the'' most divisive character in the series bar none. To this day, fans are split on whether he is still a good character who's just been the victim of overexposure and bad writing, or a glorified Marty Stu SpotlightStealingSquad who should have died after his debut and does not fit with the whimsical nature of the series.



* BreatherBoss: The Egg Breaker in Iron Jungle (and Iron Jungle only, Mad Matrix and Cryptic Castle have harder fights) is ridiculously easy if you go behind the start and spam the turret. You can beat Eggman in 7 seconds this way.

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The Egg Breaker in Iron Jungle (and Iron Jungle only, Mad Matrix and Cryptic Castle have harder fights) is ridiculously easy if you go behind the start and spam the turret. You can beat Eggman in 7 seconds this way.



* {{Narm}}: Even fans of the game concede that the game simply craps narm, start to finish. Every melodramatic cutscene fully qualifies, as does the voice-acting and the plot in general.

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Even fans of the game concede that the game simply craps narm, start to finish. Every melodramatic cutscene fully qualifies, as does the voice-acting and the plot in general.



* PortingDisaster: This game was built from the same engine as ''Heroes'', and thus the [=PS2=] release of this game suffers from all of the same problems the [=PS2=] version of ''Heroes'' did.
** The Xbox version cuts Maria as a playable character.

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* PortingDisaster: PortingDisaster:
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This game was built from the same engine as ''Heroes'', and thus the [=PS2=] release of this game suffers from all of the same problems the [=PS2=] version of ''Heroes'' did.
** The Xbox version cuts Maria as a playable character.
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: The ''entire premise'' of Shadow deciding whether to be a hero or villain was simplified down to: "Maybe this guy knows about my past... no maybe this other guy." There's no involvement of actual character morals whatsoever, and the RandomEventsPlot nature of whatever route you take blocks out any CharacterDevelopment we might see from Shadow. Also, the Good/Neutral/Evil routes barely have an impact on the story, despite potential for compelling storytelling drama over whoever sees Shadow as an enemy or an ally.
** In particular, Shadow's implied RoboticReveal towards the end of ''Heroes'' would have made things even more interesting... But it's only even really mentioned in the last two of the neutral-route levels, and thus the two endings where Shadow accepts this as fact are two of the absolute least canon, even when taking the game's story before the OmegaEnding as BroadStrokes. Instead, we just have to accept that Shadow had an UnexplainedRecovery after ''Adventure 2''. At least they do cover that [[spoiler:Shadow was rescued by Eggman as he fell, so at least it isn't left hanging, but only if you wait 9 minutes into the final boss, as it's never in any actual cutscenes]].

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot:
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The ''entire premise'' of Shadow deciding whether to be a hero or villain was simplified down to: "Maybe this guy knows about my past... no maybe this other guy." There's no involvement of actual character morals whatsoever, and the RandomEventsPlot nature of whatever route you take blocks out any CharacterDevelopment we might see from Shadow. Also, the Good/Neutral/Evil routes barely have an impact on the story, despite potential for compelling storytelling drama over whoever sees Shadow as an enemy or an ally.
** In particular, Shadow's implied RoboticReveal towards the end of ''Heroes'' would have made things even more interesting... But it's only even really mentioned in the last two of the neutral-route levels, and thus the two endings where Shadow accepts this as fact are two of the absolute least canon, even when taking the game's story before the OmegaEnding as BroadStrokes. Instead, we just have to accept that Shadow had an UnexplainedRecovery after ''Adventure 2''. At least they do cover that [[spoiler:Shadow was rescued by Eggman as he fell, so at least it isn't left hanging, but only if you wait 9 minutes into the final boss, as it's never in any actual cutscenes]].
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** [[MostAnnoyingSound "You know what they say: The more, the merrier!"]] [[labelnote:Explanation]]Eggman just seems to have a habit of coming up with repetitive yet insanely quotable dialogue during his fights.[[/labelnote]]

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** [[MostAnnoyingSound "You know what they say: The more, the merrier!"]] [[labelnote:Explanation]]Eggman just seems to have a habit of coming up with repetitive yet insanely quotable dialogue during his fights. This particular quote is said during one of his attacks (specifically, the attack where Eggman stands in place and spawns six bombs that fire out in a hexagonal pattern) in the Egg Breaker fight after Mad Matrix. It's very possible to get Eggman deadlocked into using the attack over and over again, which naturally leads into him repeating the line ad nauseam.[[/labelnote]]



** "THIS IS WHO I AM!"[[labelnote:Explanation]]Just about every single ending ends with Shadow making this declaration after musing on the path he's taken beforehand. Given how it always caps off each ending (when Shadow isn't busy [[spoiler:cracking Eggman open in certain endings]], that is), it really caught on with the fans.[[/labelnote]]

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** "THIS IS WHO I AM!"[[labelnote:Explanation]]Just AM!"[[labelnote:Explanation (Spoilers!)]]Just about every single ending ends with Shadow making this declaration after musing on the path he's taken beforehand. Given how it always caps off each ending (when Shadow isn't busy [[spoiler:cracking Eggman open in certain endings]], that is), it really caught on with the fans.[[/labelnote]]
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