History YMMV / SenkiZesshouSymphogear

20th Jul '17 1:33:02 PM Kotomikun
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** ''GX'' was also contentious due to its running theme of dad-related angst, with a large amount of screentime devoted to Hibiki dealing with her [[BaseBreakingCharacter exasperatingly terrible father]]. Many people felt this was incongruous, or even sexist, given that the first two seasons were focused on [[HideYourLesbians definitely-not-gay]] women warriors and [[NarmCharm cheesy-yet-epic]] musical action-fantasy. ''GX'' was still popular enough to get ''two'' more seasons, so this clearly didn't bother everyone; but in ''AXZ'' the various dads are nowhere to be found, so the creators may have taken note of the backlash.
15th Jul '17 3:57:10 AM flamemario12
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* ContestedSequel: GX is beloved by many fans - but just as many are baffled at its popularity. Common criticisms include unlikeable antagonists that the show nevertheless tries to portray in a sympathetic light, bad fights with focus given to power level wank and one sided curbstomps over decent choreography, most of the cast being useless and barely doing anything outside of their focus episodes, and [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking pacing issues]].

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* ContestedSequel: GX is beloved by many fans - but just as many are baffled at its popularity. Common criticisms include unlikeable antagonists that the show nevertheless tries to portray in a sympathetic light, bad fights with focus given to power level wank and one sided curbstomps over decent choreography, most of the cast being useless and barely doing anything outside of their focus episodes, and [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking pacing issues]].issues.
14th Jul '17 6:31:30 PM flamemario12
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** Hibiki was rather divisive during the first season. While some viewers found her to be spirited and heroic, others generally considered her to be contrived and obnoxious. ''G'' improved her standing with consistent morals and general kickassery.
*** She falls back into this in ''GX,'' when her unwillingness to fight is brought to the forefront. Arguments abound as to whether her angst is justified or just {{Wangst}}, and whether her reasons for hesitating make sense given her prior development or fly in the face of that development. In particular, her snapping at Maria and subsequent apology after the latter saves her from Garie are seen as either justified frustration bubbling to the surface at an unfortunate time, or just her being ungrateful and selfish. She still manages to be incredibly more badass as ever.

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** Hibiki was rather divisive during the first season. While some viewers found her to be spirited and heroic, others generally considered her to be contrived and obnoxious. ''G'' improved her standing with consistent morals and general kickassery.
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kickassery. She falls back into this in ''GX,'' when her unwillingness to fight is brought to the forefront. Arguments abound as to whether her angst is justified or just {{Wangst}}, and whether her reasons for hesitating make sense given her prior development or fly in the face of that development. In particular, her snapping at Maria and subsequent apology after the latter saves her from Garie are seen as either justified frustration bubbling to the surface at an unfortunate time, or just her being ungrateful and selfish. She still manages to be incredibly more badass as ever.



* CompleteMonster: The BigBad of the second season is [[MadDoctor Dr.]] John Wayne Vercingetorix, known as Dr. Ver. A MadScientist of unparalleled ego, he has no qualms about using a Mook-making device on innocent civilians just because they saw him in action (those same Mooks disintegrate a normal human just by touching them), and has quite a {{sadist}}ic streak, [[SlasherSmile grinning]] like a [[LaughingMad maniac]] when a resurrected monster [[AnArmAndALeg bites off the heroine's arm]]. The other members of the terrorist organisation he's part of [[EvenEvilHasStandards don't think highly of him]], and only keep him because he's the only person capable of looking after the wheelchair-bound leader's health, which he gleefully uses as an excuse to inject {{psycho serum}}s to the combat-capable members. When the season's climax comes around, he flat out admits that he never shared the organization's [[WellIntentionedExtremist views of preventing the world's destruction]], and simply wants to [[ItsAllAboutMe save his own butt]], with optional plans to [[AndNowYouMustMarryMe repopulate Earth with one of the antagonist Symphogears]], hence why he accelerated the Moon's descent rather than stop it.
%%** ''G'''s insistence that she was a WorthyOpponent aside, Finé was possibly worse. Physically and emotionally abusive when she could get away with it, and manipulative when she couldn't. She wanted to TakeOverTheWorld, and tried to ''destroy'' it when it became clear that that wasn't going to happen.
** Both Ver and Fine are redeemed by the season after they appear though: Fine pulls a sacrifice to save Shirabe from Igalima's Soul Reaper, whereas Ver plays a huge role in disabling the Chateau, reconstructing the world, and possibly finding a way to allow the FIS trio to fight with the 2nd Div trio ''without'' [=LiNKER=] - this last is EXTREMELY crucial as it means that they can now activate their Climax Song without instantly going down for the count. However, Ver still veers in monsterdom as unlike Fine, his newest actions are still driven with selfish motives of making himself the hero of the world, proving that maybe you're not scots free from the trope even if you pull a HeelFaceTurn...
** Carol Malus Dienheim, despite never being seen as such by the protagonists or even [[WordOfGod the creators]], arguably fits the bill. Her goal is ''literally'' to destroy the world and genocide all of humanity, and she pursues it relentlessly, gladly sacrificing her own memories to achieve it. The lyrics of her song ''Senkin Daurdabla'' have to be read to be believed. She actively refuses redemption or forgiveness despite Elfnein and Hibiki both offering it repeatedly, and even when finding out her father's dying wish was really to forgive, she still refuses to give up. Unlike Fine or Ver, who appeared to have some kind of change of heart in their dying moments, Carol, ''while falling to her death'', simply sneers that Hibiki's songs can't save her (of course, she is saved anyway). In the end, it literally took virtually all of her [[LaserGuidedAmnesia memories being wiped out]] for her to stop being evil.

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* %%* CompleteMonster: The BigBad of the second season is [[MadDoctor Dr.]] John Wayne Vercingetorix, known as Dr. Ver. A MadScientist of unparalleled ego, he has no qualms about using a Mook-making device on innocent civilians just because they saw him in action (those same Mooks disintegrate a normal human just by touching them), and has quite a {{sadist}}ic streak, [[SlasherSmile grinning]] like a [[LaughingMad maniac]] when a resurrected monster [[AnArmAndALeg bites off the heroine's arm]]. The other members of the terrorist organisation he's part of [[EvenEvilHasStandards don't think highly of him]], and only keep him because he's the only person capable of looking after the wheelchair-bound leader's health, which he gleefully uses as an excuse to inject {{psycho serum}}s to the combat-capable members. When the season's climax comes around, he flat out admits that he never shared the organization's [[WellIntentionedExtremist views of preventing the world's destruction]], and simply wants to [[ItsAllAboutMe save his own butt]], with optional plans to [[AndNowYouMustMarryMe repopulate Earth with one of the antagonist Symphogears]], hence why he accelerated the Moon's descent rather than stop it.
%%** ''G'''s insistence that she was a WorthyOpponent aside, Finé was possibly worse. Physically and emotionally abusive when she could get away with it, and manipulative when she couldn't. She wanted to TakeOverTheWorld, and tried to ''destroy'' it when it became clear that that wasn't going to happen.
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Both Ver and Fine are redeemed by the season after they appear though: Fine pulls a sacrifice to save Shirabe from Igalima's Soul Reaper, whereas Ver plays a huge role in disabling the Chateau, reconstructing the world, and possibly finding a way to allow the FIS trio to fight with the 2nd Div trio ''without'' [=LiNKER=] - this last is EXTREMELY crucial as it means that they can now activate their Climax Song without instantly going down for the count. However, Ver still veers in monsterdom as unlike Fine, his newest actions are still driven with selfish motives of making himself the hero of the world, proving that maybe you're not scots free from the trope even if you pull a HeelFaceTurn...
** %%** Carol Malus Dienheim, despite never being seen as such by the protagonists or even [[WordOfGod the creators]], arguably fits the bill. Her goal is ''literally'' to destroy the world and genocide all of humanity, and she pursues it relentlessly, gladly sacrificing her own memories to achieve it. The lyrics of her song ''Senkin Daurdabla'' have to be read to be believed. She actively refuses redemption or forgiveness despite Elfnein and Hibiki both offering it repeatedly, and even when finding out her father's dying wish was really to forgive, she still refuses to give up. Unlike Fine or Ver, who appeared to have some kind of change of heart in their dying moments, Carol, ''while falling to her death'', simply sneers that Hibiki's songs can't save her (of course, she is saved anyway). In the end, it literally took virtually all of her [[LaserGuidedAmnesia memories being wiped out]] for her to stop being evil.



%%* DeusExMachina: How [[spoiler: Carol and Elfnein are able to combine to become one so both can live]]. There was no explanation and hardly a buildup, but it solves the problem.
11th Jul '17 2:09:22 PM Laevatein
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** Fist: 1 Reason: 0 (Said by Shirabe after Hibiki [[spoiler: punches out the "invincible" giant snake]] in AXZ episode 2)
10th Jul '17 5:52:17 PM Excelion
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** Carol Malus Dienheim, despite never being seen as such by the protagonists or even [[WordOfGod the creators]], arguably fits the bill. Her goal is ''literally'' to destroy the world and genocide all of humanity, and she pursues it relentlessly, gladly sacrificing her own memories to achieve it. The lyrics of her song ''Senkin Daurdabla'' have to be read to be believed. She actively refuses redemption or forgiveness despite Elfnein and Hibiki both offering it repeatedly, and even when finding out her father's dying wish was really to forgive, she still refuses to give up. Unlike Fine or Ver, who appeared to have some kind of change of heart in their dying moments, Carol, ''while falling to her death'', simply sneers that Hibiki's songs can't save her (of course, she is saved anyway). In the end, it literally took virtually all of her [[LaserGuidedAmnesia memories being wiped out]] for her to stop being evil.
5th Jun '17 1:48:29 PM Laevatein
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** "Notice me, God-sempai!" -- In the first season, the reason for Fine's plan was so she could express her love to God.
5th May '17 1:03:44 PM Laevatein
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** ''LyricalNanoha'' and, since both shows feature {{Magical Girl}}s with insane amounts of badassery and firepower... which begs the question: Which fandom [[DefeatMeansFriendship beat the other up for them to become friends]]?
9th Feb '17 8:46:36 PM darksoul4242
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* ContestedSequel: GX is beloved by many fans - but just as many baffle at its popularity. Common criticisms include unlikeable antagonists that the show nevertheless tries to portray in a sympathetic light, bad fights with focus given to power level wank and one sided curbstomps over decent choreography, most of the cast being useless and barely doing anything outside of their focus episodes, and [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking pacing issues]].

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* ContestedSequel: GX is beloved by many fans - but just as many baffle are baffled at its popularity. Common criticisms include unlikeable antagonists that the show nevertheless tries to portray in a sympathetic light, bad fights with focus given to power level wank and one sided curbstomps over decent choreography, most of the cast being useless and barely doing anything outside of their focus episodes, and [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking pacing issues]].
9th Feb '17 8:19:46 PM darksoul4242
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* CompleteMonster: The BigBad of the second season is [[MadDoctor Dr.]] John Wayne Vercingetorix, known as Dr. Ver. A MadScientist of unparalleled ego, he has no qualms about using a Mook-making device on innocent civilians just because they saw him in action (those same Mooks disintegrate a normal human just by touching them), and has quite a {{sadist}}ic streak, [[SlasherSmile grinning]] like a [[LaughingMad maniac]] when a resurrected monster [[AnArmAndALeg bites off the heroine's arm]]. The other members of the terrorist organisation he's part of [[EvenEvilHasStandards don't think highly of him]], and only keep him because he's the only person to be able to look after the wheelchair-bound leader's health, which he gleefully uses as an excuse to inject {{psycho serum}}s to the combat-capable members. When the season's climax comes around, he flat out admits that he never shared the organization's [[WellIntentionedExtremist views of preventing the world's destruction]], and simply wants to [[ItsAllAboutMe save his own butt]], with optional plans to [[AndNowYouMustMarryMe repopulate Earth with one of the antagonist Symphogears]], hence why he accelerated the Moon's descent rather than stop it.

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* CompleteMonster: The BigBad of the second season is [[MadDoctor Dr.]] John Wayne Vercingetorix, known as Dr. Ver. A MadScientist of unparalleled ego, he has no qualms about using a Mook-making device on innocent civilians just because they saw him in action (those same Mooks disintegrate a normal human just by touching them), and has quite a {{sadist}}ic streak, [[SlasherSmile grinning]] like a [[LaughingMad maniac]] when a resurrected monster [[AnArmAndALeg bites off the heroine's arm]]. The other members of the terrorist organisation he's part of [[EvenEvilHasStandards don't think highly of him]], and only keep him because he's the only person to be able to look capable of looking after the wheelchair-bound leader's health, which he gleefully uses as an excuse to inject {{psycho serum}}s to the combat-capable members. When the season's climax comes around, he flat out admits that he never shared the organization's [[WellIntentionedExtremist views of preventing the world's destruction]], and simply wants to [[ItsAllAboutMe save his own butt]], with optional plans to [[AndNowYouMustMarryMe repopulate Earth with one of the antagonist Symphogears]], hence why he accelerated the Moon's descent rather than stop it.
14th Jan '17 2:40:49 PM contrafanxxx
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* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: The TrainingMontage in episode 9 of G. It's comes after the revealed that [[spoiler: Miku is alive]] and doesn't seem to serve a real purpose compare to season one's montage to make Hibiki a better fighter.

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* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: The TrainingMontage in episode 9 of G. It's comes after the revealed TheReveal that [[spoiler: Miku is alive]] and doesn't seem to serve a real purpose compare to season one's montage to make Hibiki a better fighter.
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