History YMMV / Robotech

26th Nov '16 9:27:07 PM WJTaylor4
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** The series was also popular with teens and 20 something sci-fi fans.
9th Sep '16 10:59:37 PM BatmanKalEl
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* HarsherInHindsight: [[spoiler:The death of Marlene Rush, fiance of Scott Bernard at the start of ''New Generation'', becomes a lot harder to watch knowing that in real life Scott's voice actor, Greg Snegoff, suffered the exact same tragedy when his first wife, voice actress Lisa Michelson, died in a car accident a few years after this series ended.]]
* HeartwarmingInHindsight: [[spoiler: Scott Bernard losing his fiance Marlene Rush and finding love again with the Invid Princess Ariel, which concludes in ''Robotech: The Shadow Chronicles'' becomes more poignant knowing Scott's voice actor Greg Snegoff lost his first wife Lisa Michelson to a tragic car accident (see above) but eventually found love again and married his current wife Fiorella Capuano.]]

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* HarsherInHindsight: [[spoiler:The The death of Marlene Rush, fiance of Scott Bernard at the start of ''New Generation'', becomes a lot harder to watch knowing that in real life Scott's voice actor, Greg Snegoff, suffered the exact same tragedy when his first wife, voice actress Lisa Michelson, died in a car accident a few years after this series ended.]]
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* HeartwarmingInHindsight: [[spoiler: Scott Bernard losing his fiance Marlene Rush and finding love again with the Invid Princess Ariel, which concludes in ''Robotech: The Shadow Chronicles'' becomes more poignant knowing Scott's voice actor Greg Snegoff lost his first wife Lisa Michelson to a tragic car accident (see above) but eventually found love again and married his current wife Fiorella Capuano.]]
9th Sep '16 10:39:51 PM BatmanKalEl
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* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: ''The Shadow Chronicles'' comes in for a special dose of fan hatred due to the changes it made to its retelling of the original segments of the TV series with which it overlapped. Most notably, several major characters present in the TV series version were cut from the movie's reenactment of an important scene so as not to confuse new viewers with these other characters they didn't know and wouldn't have the chance to meet in the rest of the movie. Harmony Gold representatives somewhat disingenuously claimed those other characters were still there, just outside of camera view. As if that makes the scene any more coherent. A number of other problems with Shadow Chronicles can be laid at the feet of not wanting to confuse a new audience who had not seen the original series. No mention is made of the Zentraedi or Robotech Masters (even the half-Zentraedi character is referred to as "half-alien") or a number of other elements that are important to the backstory but don't play any role in the current movie. The result is that dialogue often seems stilted and omissions make little sense.

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* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: ''The Shadow Chronicles'' ''WesternAnimation/RobotechTheShadowChronicles'' comes in for a special dose of fan hatred due to the changes it made to its retelling of the original segments of the TV series with which it overlapped. Most notably, several major characters present in the TV series version were cut from the movie's reenactment of an important scene so as not to confuse new viewers with these other characters they didn't know and wouldn't have the chance to meet in the rest of the movie. Harmony Gold representatives somewhat disingenuously claimed those other characters were still there, just outside of camera view. As if that makes the scene any more coherent. A number of other problems with Shadow Chronicles can be laid at the feet of not wanting to confuse a new audience who had not seen the original series. No mention is made of the Zentraedi or Robotech Masters (even the half-Zentraedi character is referred to as "half-alien") or a number of other elements that are important to the backstory but don't play any role in the current movie. The result is that dialogue often seems stilted and omissions make little sense.
9th Sep '16 10:14:48 PM BatmanKalEl
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** Dana Sterling: childish attitude, thoughtless, only gets a slap on the wrist for mistakes, etc. Kyle andDana don't fare too well in the originals either, where Kaifun is seen as a hypocritical, narcissistic SoapboxSadie, and Jeanne Francoise is pretty much Dana Sterling in the original Japanese.

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** Dana Sterling: childish attitude, thoughtless, only gets a slap on the wrist for mistakes, etc. Kyle andDana and Dana don't fare too well in the originals either, where Kaifun is seen as a hypocritical, narcissistic SoapboxSadie, and Jeanne Francoise is pretty much Dana Sterling in the original Japanese.
9th Sep '16 10:14:19 PM BatmanKalEl
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** Minmei. (Childish attitude, somewhat ditzy, complaints about her dub actress and the quality of the songs written for her). Honorable mention goes to Lynn Kyle (arrogant JerkAss who complains about everything anyone even slightly associated with the military) and Dana Sterling (childish attitude, thoughtless, only gets a slap on the wrist for mistakes, etc.) [[spoiler:The latter two don't fare too well in the originals either, where Kaifun is seen as a hypocritical, narcissistic SoapboxSadie, and Jeanne Francoise is pretty much Dana Sterling in the original Japanese]]). Minmei is hated so much that any of the episodes focused on her are often skipped by fans of the series.

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** Minmei. (Childish Childish attitude, somewhat ditzy, complaints about her dub actress and the quality of the songs written for her). Honorable mention goes to Lynn Kyle (arrogant JerkAss who complains about everything anyone even slightly associated with the military) and Dana Sterling (childish attitude, thoughtless, only gets a slap on the wrist for mistakes, etc.) [[spoiler:The latter two don't fare too well in the originals either, where Kaifun is seen as a hypocritical, narcissistic SoapboxSadie, and Jeanne Francoise is pretty much Dana Sterling in the original Japanese]]).her. Minmei is hated so much that any of the episodes focused on her are often skipped by fans of the series.


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** Dana Sterling: childish attitude, thoughtless, only gets a slap on the wrist for mistakes, etc. Kyle andDana don't fare too well in the originals either, where Kaifun is seen as a hypocritical, narcissistic SoapboxSadie, and Jeanne Francoise is pretty much Dana Sterling in the original Japanese.
9th Sep '16 10:09:43 PM BatmanKalEl
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** As shown in the canon comic "From the Stars", the Anti-Unification League. While the facade was nice enough that hardcore pacifists like Kyle were members of it and even called it "Peace Movement", the truth was of a force hellbent to conquer the world that uses terrorist tactics, and even hijacked the starship Armor-1 and used her reflex warheads to destroy the Southern Grand Cannon and would have destroyed Alaska Base and the SDF-1 and blackmailed the world into surrender had Roy not stopped them. But that's not the scary part, that comes with the names of their two most important known members ([[KarmaHoudini who were never exposed]]): [[spoiler:T.R. Edwards and ''Anatole Leonard'']]. Yes, that means that [[spoiler:[[VillainWorld in the end they succeeded]]]].

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** As shown in the canon comic "From the Stars", the Anti-Unification League. While the facade was nice enough that hardcore pacifists like Kyle were members of it and even called it "Peace Movement", the truth was of a force hellbent to conquer the world that uses terrorist tactics, and even hijacked the starship Armor-1 and used her reflex warheads to destroy the Southern Grand Cannon and would have destroyed Alaska Base and the SDF-1 and blackmailed the world into surrender had Roy not stopped them. But that's not the scary part, that comes with the names of their two most important known members ([[KarmaHoudini who were never exposed]]): [[spoiler:T.R. Edwards and ''Anatole Leonard'']]. Yes, that means that [[spoiler:[[VillainWorld [[spoiler:[[TheBadGuyWins in the end they succeeded]]]].



* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: The Shadow Chronicles comes in for a special dose of fan hatred due to the changes it made to its retelling of the original segments of the TV series with which it overlapped. Most notably, several major characters present in the TV series version were cut from the movie's reenactment of an important scene so as not to confuse new viewers with these other characters they didn't know and wouldn't have the chance to meet in the rest of the movie. Harmony Gold representatives somewhat disingenuously claimed those other characters were still there, just outside of camera view. As if that makes the scene any more coherent. A number of other problems with Shadow Chronicles can be laid at the feet of not wanting to confuse a new audience who had not seen the original series. No mention is made of the Zentraedi or Robotech Masters (even the half-Zentraedi character is referred to as "half-alien") or a number of other elements that are important to the backstory but don't play any role in the current movie. The result is that dialogue often seems stilted and omissions make little sense.

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* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: The ''The Shadow Chronicles Chronicles'' comes in for a special dose of fan hatred due to the changes it made to its retelling of the original segments of the TV series with which it overlapped. Most notably, several major characters present in the TV series version were cut from the movie's reenactment of an important scene so as not to confuse new viewers with these other characters they didn't know and wouldn't have the chance to meet in the rest of the movie. Harmony Gold representatives somewhat disingenuously claimed those other characters were still there, just outside of camera view. As if that makes the scene any more coherent. A number of other problems with Shadow Chronicles can be laid at the feet of not wanting to confuse a new audience who had not seen the original series. No mention is made of the Zentraedi or Robotech Masters (even the half-Zentraedi character is referred to as "half-alien") or a number of other elements that are important to the backstory but don't play any role in the current movie. The result is that dialogue often seems stilted and omissions make little sense.
9th Sep '16 10:07:32 PM BatmanKalEl
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** Max's wedding to Miriya - true love from across the stars, or Max taking advantage of Miriya's unfamiliarity with human culture and proper courtship?

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** Max's wedding to Miriya - Miriya: true love from across the stars, or Max taking advantage of Miriya's unfamiliarity with human culture and proper courtship?
9th Sep '16 10:05:05 PM BatmanKalEl
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* WhatAnIdiot: Rick Hunter for thinking he could manage a date with both Minmei and Lisa in ''Private Time'' (after initially making a date with Lisa only to have Minmei guilt trip him into coming to see her first). At least he's smart enough not to be surprised when it blows up in his face.

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* WhatAnIdiot: WhatAnIdiot:
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Rick Hunter for thinking he could manage a date with both Minmei and Lisa in ''Private Time'' (after initially making a date with Lisa only to have Minmei guilt trip him into coming to see her first). At least he's smart enough not to be surprised when it blows up in his face.
9th Sep '16 10:04:29 PM BatmanKalEl
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** Max and Miriya's shotgun wedding probably counts as well.



** Rick and Lisa are an interesting reverse example - their problem was that their subplot got dragged out so long that after a while audiences might have no choice but to feel apathetic towards them if not outrightly turned off to them.

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** Rick and Lisa are an interesting reverse example - example: their problem was that their subplot got dragged out so long that after a while audiences might have no choice but to feel apathetic towards them if not outrightly turned off to them.
9th Sep '16 10:01:47 PM BatmanKalEl
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* StrangledByTheRedString: Max and Miriya get hit with this hard.

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* StrangledByTheRedString: StrangledByTheRedString:
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Max and Miriya get hit with this hard.
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