History YMMV / Robotech

3rd Dec '15 10:00:26 AM fruitstripegum
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18th Nov '15 5:39:53 PM tenuousbreaker
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Say what you will, but [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHfNniqT7bo the Robotech theme]] by Ulpio Minucci is forever epic.
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Say **Say what you will, but [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHfNniqT7bo the Robotech theme]] by Ulpio Minucci is forever epic.epic. ** CutAndPasteTranslation: One of the most famous examples. Less glaring in the initial Macross Saga, which handled the story similar to the series it was adapted from with the exceptions of names and changes made to emphasize Robotech specific worldbuilding.
31st May '15 7:16:50 PM WJTaylor4
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* RomanticPlotTumor: The Minmei/Rick/Lisa triangle is this for some fans.
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* RomanticPlotTumor: The Minmei/Rick/Lisa triangle is this for some fans.fans, owing largely to the fact that the WillTheyOrWontThey subplot Rick and Lisa go through ''simply would not end''.
2nd May '15 5:49:26 AM EDP
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*** Kyle too: right after his ''worst'' moment (leading a group of civilians in stopping Rick and the military from removing a size-changing Protoculture Chamber from an exposed position after a group of Malcontent Zentraedi tried to steal it), he has a MyGodWhatHaveIDone moment when he sees the consequences (Khyron coming in force and stealing it, allowing him to get an army of full-sized Zentraedi), and in the next episode he takes his kidnapping at Khyron's hands as a chance to tell Global to ''let him die'' if it meant that Khyron wouldn't get his way and call Khyron a coward to his face (while still being a jerk when Rick rescues him). And, finally, in episode 34 ''calls Minmei out on her own selfish act''.
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*** Kyle too: right after his ''worst'' moment (leading a group of civilians in stopping Rick and the military from removing a size-changing Protoculture Chamber from an exposed position after a group of Malcontent Zentraedi tried to steal it), he has a MyGodWhatHaveIDone moment when he sees the consequences (Khyron coming in force and stealing it, allowing him to get an army of full-sized Zentraedi), and in the next episode he takes his kidnapping at Khyron's hands as a chance to tell Global to ''let him die'' if it meant that Khyron wouldn't get his way and call Khyron a coward to his face (while still being a jerk when Rick rescues him). And, finally, in episode 34 ''calls Minmei out on her own selfish act''. The comic books, in a plot point confirmed as canon by ''[[WesternAnimation/RobotechTheShadowChronicles Prelude to the Shadow Chronicles]]'', has him admit he was wrong in the most drastic and clearest way he could come up with: [[spoiler: joining the military as part of the Robotech Expeditionary Force]].
2nd May '15 5:42:36 AM EDP
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*** Also worth noting is that while Minmei may have been reset a bit during the ''Reconstruction Blues'' episodes so were Rick Hunter and Lisa Hayes.
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*** Also worth noting is that while Minmei may have been reset a bit during the ''Reconstruction Blues'' episodes so were Rick Hunter and Lisa Hayes. Hayes. *** Kyle too: right after his ''worst'' moment (leading a group of civilians in stopping Rick and the military from removing a size-changing Protoculture Chamber from an exposed position after a group of Malcontent Zentraedi tried to steal it), he has a MyGodWhatHaveIDone moment when he sees the consequences (Khyron coming in force and stealing it, allowing him to get an army of full-sized Zentraedi), and in the next episode he takes his kidnapping at Khyron's hands as a chance to tell Global to ''let him die'' if it meant that Khyron wouldn't get his way and call Khyron a coward to his face (while still being a jerk when Rick rescues him). And, finally, in episode 34 ''calls Minmei out on her own selfish act''.
18th Feb '15 10:00:12 AM TheLyniezian
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* {{Macekre}}: Though effectively the TropeNamer, it was probably one of the ''better'' CutAndPasteTranslations of its time (contrast, say, ''Anime/{{Voltron}}''), being unafraid to cut out things like character death, remaining relatively faithful to the Macross part of the storyline and even, allegedly, ''improving'' upon the original ''Anime/SuperDimensionCavalrySouthernCross''. Nevertheless stuff like the adaptation introducing more plot holes than a piece of Swiss cheese towards the end of the Macross saga onwards, the awkward narration and Minmay's ''terrible' singing voice compared to the original do still give this impression to people.
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* {{Macekre}}: Though effectively the TropeNamer, it was probably one of the ''better'' CutAndPasteTranslations {{CutAndPasteTranslation}}s of its time (contrast, say, ''Anime/{{Voltron}}''), being unafraid to cut out things like character death, remaining relatively faithful to the Macross part of the storyline and even, allegedly, ''improving'' upon the original ''Anime/SuperDimensionCavalrySouthernCross''. Nevertheless stuff like the adaptation introducing more plot holes than a piece of Swiss cheese towards the end of the Macross saga onwards, the awkward narration and Minmay's ''terrible' singing voice compared to the original do still give this impression to people.
18th Feb '15 9:59:39 AM TheLyniezian
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* {{Macekre}}: Though effectively the TropeNamer, it was probably one of the ''better'' CutAndPasteTranslations of its time (contrast, say, ''Anime/{{Voltron}}''), being unafraid to cut out things like character death, remaining relatively faithful to the Macross part of the storyline and even, allegedly, ''improving'' upon the original ''Anime/SuperDimensionCavalrySouthernCross''. Nevertheless stuff like the adaptation introducing more plot holes than a piece of Swiss cheese towards the end of the Macross saga onwards, the awkward narration and Minmay's ''terrible' singing voice compared to the original do still give this impression to people.
19th Nov '14 1:55:24 PM MagBas
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unfortunate implications need citations
* BrokenAesop: Nothing says true love like a guy who doesn't treat you very well (see UnfortunateImplications below).
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* BrokenAesop: Nothing says true love like a guy who doesn't treat you very well (see UnfortunateImplications below).well .

* UnfortunateImplications: The RomanticPlotTumor that Rick and Lisa's romance eventually degenerated into showcased Rick often going way too far in his, ahem, "lover's quarrel" with Lisa during the seemingly endless chase that made up the bulk of the subplot, to the point that after a while he basically looks like an emotionally abusive (even manipulative) {{Jerkass}}. Hell, ''A Rainy Night'' shows Lisa allowing herself to be degraded, devalued and humiliated by Rick in front of her subordinates as he goes on a misogynistic and chauvinistic rant against her... and later on when she learns that he's apparently rekindling things with Minmei Lisa goes and gets drunk and just sinks deeper and deeper into depression, even going so far as to consider quitting her hard earned high paying military job just to get away from Rick and the angst he brings out in her. It's not until the last episode of ''Macross Saga'' that the two finally hook up... and all it took was Lisa pouring her heart out and nearly getting blown up to finally make Rick choose her over Minmei. The very BrokenAesop here for girls seems to be that you can't have your one true love until he's turned you into an emotional wreck, caused you to have a nervous breakdown and destroyed your self-esteem, yet despite all his belligerent misogynistic chauvinism he really is the One for you. For the boys the very BrokenAesop appears to be that you can mistreat a woman all you want and she'll still hook up with you despite what a jerk you are. Makes Max and Miriya's hook up look sane by comparison...
22nd Sep '14 5:42:15 PM RainFairy
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Is Rick Hunter really a genuinely NiceGuy who just needed to grow up a little, or is he a completely selfish, manipulative {{Jerkass}} who strings not one but two different women along with no regard for their feelings (and possibly a gold digger, given that one was a pop star and the other was his boss)? Or is he a JerkWithAHeartOfGold? ** Is Lisa Hayes really a strong authority figure with a slightly unfulfilled love life, or an overgrown child who should have outgrown her teen level angst issues years ago?
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Is Rick Hunter really a genuinely NiceGuy who just needed to grow up a little, or is he a completely selfish, manipulative {{Jerkass}} who strings not one but two different women along with no regard for their feelings (and possibly a gold digger, given that one was a pop star and the other was his boss)? Or is he a JerkWithAHeartOfGold? JerkWithAHeartOfGold with his heart in the right place but his brains somehere else? ** Is Lisa Hayes really a strong authority figure with a slightly tragic and unfulfilled love life, or an overgrown child who should have outgrown her teen level angst issues years ago?

* CrowningMusicOfAwesome: The first series is arguably better scored than the Japanese original. Two good example are the fold scene in episode 3 (in SDF:Macross the music used wouldn't be out of place in an elevator, whereas in Robotech it marks the first appearance of the creepy "Robotechnology Theme", which implies to the audience that something has gone horribly wrong), and also the scene where Minmay and Kaifun/Kyle part ways (in Robotech it has atmospheric music which matches the mood of the visuals and underscores the importance of the scene (it actually makes us feel sort of sorry for Kyle, which should be impossible at this point), the matching scene in SDF:Macross has no score at all.)
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* CrowningMusicOfAwesome: The first series is arguably better scored than the Japanese original. Two good example are the fold scene in episode 3 (in SDF:Macross the music used wouldn't be out of place in an elevator, whereas in Robotech it marks the first appearance of the creepy "Robotechnology Theme", which implies to the audience that something has gone horribly wrong), and also the scene where Minmay and Kaifun/Kyle part ways (in Robotech it has atmospheric music which matches the mood of the visuals and underscores the importance of the scene (it actually makes us feel sort of sorry for Kyle, which should be impossible at this point), the matching scene in SDF:Macross has no score at all.))\\ \\ Say what you will, but [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHfNniqT7bo the Robotech theme]] by Ulpio Minucci is forever epic.

* DesignatedLoveInterest: That darned Rick Hunter comes dangerously close to this one too in regards to Lisa Hayes during the ''Reconstruction Blues'' episodes. His behavior towards Lisa in these episodes - specifically ''A Rainy Night'' and ''Private Time'' - is so atrocious (he degraded and humiliated her in front of her subordinates for crying out loud) that after a while you have to wonder what it is exactly she sees in him. And then you start to feel that there's really no good reason for Lisa to even like Rick other than the plot says so (and the original Japanese writers seemed to have some misogynistic ax to grind).
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* DesignatedLoveInterest: That darned Rick Hunter comes dangerously close to this one too in regards to Lisa Hayes during the ''Reconstruction Blues'' episodes. His behavior towards Lisa in these episodes - specifically ''A Rainy Night'' and ''Private Time'' - is so atrocious (he degraded and humiliated her in front of her subordinates for crying out loud) that after a while you have to wonder what it is exactly she sees in him. And then you start to feel that there's really no good reason for Lisa to even like Rick other than the plot says so (and the original Japanese writers seemed to have some misogynistic ax to grind).were even worse).

** Some of the Robotech fandom to refuses to acknowledge the Expanded Universe material. ** And now, officially, [[CanonDisContinuity Harmony Gold does, too]].
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** Some of the Robotech fandom to refuses to acknowledge the Expanded Universe material. ** material. And now, officially, [[CanonDisContinuity Harmony Gold does, too]].
12th Sep '14 6:20:20 PM WJTaylor4
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* NarmCharm: A lot of the voice acting is pretty hammy and some of the dialogue is clunky and overwritten, but hey, that's all part of the cheesy awesome charm.
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