History YMMV / Robotech

11th Aug '17 10:58:36 PM PatPayne
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** Not even Palladium's TabletopRPG is safe. "Nose Lasers."

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** Not even Palladium's TabletopRPG is safe. "Nose Lasers."" [[note]]For those not in the know, in the original ''Macross'' (and its ''Robotech'' adaptation) there was a fairly egregious animation error in the episode where Max and Millia/Miriya are wed. Specifically, the lasers of a Valkyrie/Veritech (which canonically are shot from a ventral barbette that becomes the head in Battroid/Battloid mode) were seen shooting from the leg attachment points on the nosecone. This was due to the episode being animated by a much lower-quality studio than usual (either [=StarPro=] or [=AnimeFriend=], most likely). this was picked up by Palladium as an actual ability of the craft in the RPG.[[/note]]
5th Jul '17 2:16:43 PM avon
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5th Jul '17 2:13:25 PM avon
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* PeripheryDemographic: While the franchise was ostensibly a "boy's show", ''Robotech'' proved to be very popular with girls, who were drawn to the romantic subplots, the presence of women as authority figures and soldiers, along with the complex plotline and action the series is known for.

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** A very creepy AdBumper has a vague deformed clay face of what looks like a Robotech master transforming into a giant zombielike hand reaching out to grip you. As usual, a character for the show does the voiceover in his or her own style, but this voice is hard to place as it is not of a named character that is often heard. It is believed to be a character that the toy line calls the Bioroid Terminator (those being the armored Robotech Master's guards). The voice was creepier than the usual clone voices as this one sounded ghostly. Appropriately enough, this scene came from one of Zor Prime's nightmare's.
--> '''Pre commercial:''' "Robotech will return...and so will you."
--> '''And now back to our show:''' "Robotech is back...''and I'm watching you.''"
* PeripheryDemographic: While the franchise was ostensibly a "boy's show", ''Robotech'' proved to be very popular with girls, who were drawn to the romantic subplots, the presence of women as authority figures and soldiers, along with the complex plotline and action the series is known for.
5th Jul '17 1:52:25 PM avon
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* FanMyopia: A large number of fans are still hung up on the misconception that the ''Macross Saga'' characters (Rick, Lisa, Max, etc.) are the central main characters of the entire saga. Many want ''The Sentinels'' to be finally animated in its entirety. Because the original series ended with the unknown fate of Admiral Rick Hunter, they also demand closure for those characters. There is heavy debate over whether Admiral Hunter should return to lead one last great battle and die heroically, or lead one last great battle and retire to live with Lisa and his new family happily ever after. Seeing as how the ''Macross Saga'' characters were the original cast that fans fell in love with, it's not entirely unreasonable for fans to want to see some closure for them. After all, what's the point of investing in a character just to toss them away? Harmony Gold on the other hand, is expressing more interest in distancing ''Robotech'' (wisely) from ''Macross''. Also, other fans simply feel that, regardless of their final fate, Rick Hunter and the rest of the ''Macross'' characters have already told their story and would prefer ''Robotech'' to move forward. Meanwhile, in the base ''Macross'' franchise, the original characters were last used in 1987 and disappeared on an even more ambiguous note than their ''Robotech'' counterparts.

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* FanMyopia: A large number of fans are still hung up on the misconception that the ''Macross Saga'' characters (Rick, Lisa, Max, etc.) are the central main characters of the entire saga. Many want ''The Sentinels'' to be finally animated in its entirety. Because the original series ended with the unknown fate of Admiral Rick Hunter, they also demand closure for those characters. There is heavy debate over whether Admiral Hunter should return to lead one last great battle and die heroically, or lead one last great battle and retire to live with Lisa and his new family happily ever after. Seeing as how the ''Macross Saga'' characters were the original cast that fans fell in love with, it's not entirely unreasonable for fans to want to see some closure for them. After all, what's the point of investing in a character just to toss them away? Harmony Gold on the other hand, is expressing more interest in distancing ''Robotech'' (wisely) from ''Macross''.''Macross'', at least in terms of new animation, but this is because they are required to do so by license restriction. Also, other fans simply feel that, regardless of their final fate, Rick Hunter and the rest of the ''Macross'' characters have already told their story and would prefer ''Robotech'' to move forward. Meanwhile, in the base ''Macross'' franchise, the majority of the original characters were last used in 1987 and disappeared on an even more ambiguous note than their ''Robotech'' counterparts.
22nd Jun '17 2:17:43 PM EDP
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* CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming: [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7LTRUKPRDc The UN 60th Anniversary PSA]].
13th Apr '17 3:01:21 AM MarkLungo
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* WhatDoYouMeanItsNotForKids: Believe it or not, according to Carl Macek, ''Robotech'' was never intended on being a children's program. It was originally intended on being a way for him to get localized Japanese animation on television, and the resulting show was the only way to do it at the time. It explains why the series didn't shy away from complex plot points or mature writing, despite all the alterations from the original Japanese shows. Also the localization did ''not'' make use of NeverSayDie like most localizations at the time. Not only did it fully acknowledge character deaths, it actually added ''more'' deaths when [[spoiler:it had Captain Gloval, Claudia, Sammy, Kim, and Vanessa perish off-screen]]. Macek didn't envision a specific target audience, but he assumed it would mostly be watched by science fiction fans into their teens and twenties. This was all made all the more obvious when Cannon Films pulled ''Robotech: The Movie'' before release. They had assumed the film would be targeted towards children, and had bought-up advertising slots during children's shows. When the test screenings in Texas attracted a 90% adult audience (and the film itself being perceived as far too violent for kids), it was pulled from release.

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* WhatDoYouMeanItsNotForKids: Believe it or not, according to Carl Macek, ''Robotech'' was never intended on being a children's program. It was originally intended on being a way for him to get localized Japanese animation on television, and the resulting show was the only way to do it at the time. It explains why the series didn't shy away from complex plot points or mature writing, despite all the alterations from the original Japanese shows. Also the localization did ''not'' make use of NeverSayDie like most localizations at the time. Not only did it fully acknowledge character deaths, it actually added ''more'' deaths when [[spoiler:it had Captain Gloval, Claudia, Sammy, Kim, and Vanessa perish off-screen]]. Macek didn't envision a specific target audience, but he assumed it would mostly be watched by science fiction fans into their teens and twenties. This was all made all the more obvious when Cannon Films pulled ''Robotech: The Movie'' before release. They had assumed the film would be targeted towards children, and had bought-up advertising slots during children's shows. When the test screenings in Texas attracted a 90% adult audience (and the film itself being was perceived as far too violent for kids), it was pulled from release.
13th Apr '17 2:59:31 AM MarkLungo
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** At best ''Bye Bye Mars'' feels clunky, forced and rushed by today's standards, at worst it looks downright sexist and degrading towards its treatment of Lisa Hayes.

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** At best ''Bye "Bye Bye Mars'' Mars" feels clunky, forced and rushed by today's standards, standards; at worst it looks downright sexist and degrading towards its treatment of Lisa Hayes.
13th Apr '17 2:58:31 AM MarkLungo
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Rick can be quite the pain in the ass at times, which makes it hard to feel bad for him when things don't go his way. [[spoiler:In addition to all his other {{Jerkass}} actions already listed above, it's hard to sympathize with him in ''To The Stars'' when he finally realizes that he can't relate to Minmei any more and then runs through the city freaking out because he thinks Lisa might be dead - which of course she isn't.]] And don't get started on Minmei...

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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Rick can be quite the pain in the ass at times, which makes it hard to feel bad for him when things don't go his way. [[spoiler:In addition to all his other {{Jerkass}} actions already listed above, it's hard to sympathize with him in ''To The Stars'' "To the Stars" when he finally realizes that he can't relate to Minmei any more and then runs through the city freaking out because he thinks Lisa might be dead - which of course she isn't.]] And don't get started on Minmei...
13th Apr '17 2:57:36 AM MarkLungo
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* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: ''WesternAnimation/RobotechTheShadowChronicles'' comes in for a special dose of fan hatred due to the changes it made to its retelling of the original segments of the TV series with which it overlapped. Most notably, several major characters present in the TV series version were cut from the movie's reenactment of an important scene so as not to confuse new viewers with these other characters they didn't know and wouldn't have the chance to meet in the rest of the movie. Harmony Gold representatives somewhat disingenuously claimed those other characters were still there, just outside of camera view. As if that makes the scene any more coherent. A number of other problems with Shadow Chronicles can be laid at the feet of not wanting to confuse a new audience who had not seen the original series. No mention is made of the Zentraedi or Robotech Masters (even the half-Zentraedi character is referred to as "half-alien") or a number of other elements that are important to the backstory but don't play any role in the current movie. The result is that dialogue often seems stilted and omissions make little sense.

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* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: ''WesternAnimation/RobotechTheShadowChronicles'' comes in for a special dose of fan hatred due to the changes it made to its retelling of the original segments of the TV series with which it overlapped. Most notably, several major characters present in the TV series version were cut from the movie's reenactment of an important scene so as not to confuse new viewers with these other characters they didn't know and wouldn't have the chance to meet in the rest of the movie. Harmony Gold representatives somewhat disingenuously claimed those other characters were still there, just outside of camera view. As if that makes the scene any more coherent. A number of other problems with Shadow Chronicles can be laid at ''Shadow Chronicles'' were caused by the feet of producers not wanting to confuse a new audience who had not seen the original series. No mention is made of the Zentraedi or Robotech Masters (even the half-Zentraedi character is referred to as "half-alien") or a number of other elements that are important to the backstory but don't play any role in the current movie. The result is that dialogue often seems stilted and omissions make little sense.
13th Apr '17 2:54:02 AM MarkLungo
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** The Disciples/Children of Zor. Due ''Robotech Academy'' (where they should have appeared) not getting developed we know very little about them, except for one thing: at the start of the Second Robotech War the Masters considered the Invid little more than a nuisance even after the loss of the Zentraedi (it would take the losses caused by the Armies of the Southern Cross for the Masters to take the Invid seriously), but the very idea the Children of Zor could get to Earth before them was so scary they didn't even dare to ''discuss'' it after one single mention.

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** The Disciples/Children of Zor. Due to ''Robotech Academy'' (where they should have appeared) not getting developed we know very little about them, except for one thing: at the start of the Second Robotech War the Masters considered the Invid little more than a nuisance even after the loss of the Zentraedi (it would take the losses caused by the Armies of the Southern Cross for the Masters to take the Invid seriously), but the very idea the Children of Zor could get to Earth before them was so scary they didn't even dare to ''discuss'' it after one single mention.
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