History YMMV / Robotech

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* CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming: [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7LTRUKPRDc The UN 60th Anniversary PSA]].
13th Apr '17 3:01:21 AM MarkLungo
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* WhatDoYouMeanItsNotForKids: Believe it or not, according to Carl Macek, ''Robotech'' was never intended on being a children's program. It was originally intended on being a way for him to get localized Japanese animation on television, and the resulting show was the only way to do it at the time. It explains why the series didn't shy away from complex plot points or mature writing, despite all the alterations from the original Japanese shows. Also the localization did ''not'' make use of NeverSayDie like most localizations at the time. Not only did it fully acknowledge character deaths, it actually added ''more'' deaths when [[spoiler:it had Captain Gloval, Claudia, Sammy, Kim, and Vanessa perish off-screen]]. Macek didn't envision a specific target audience, but he assumed it would mostly be watched by science fiction fans into their teens and twenties. This was all made all the more obvious when Cannon Films pulled ''Robotech: The Movie'' before release. They had assumed the film would be targeted towards children, and had bought-up advertising slots during children's shows. When the test screenings in Texas attracted a 90% adult audience (and the film itself being perceived as far too violent for kids), it was pulled from release.

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* WhatDoYouMeanItsNotForKids: Believe it or not, according to Carl Macek, ''Robotech'' was never intended on being a children's program. It was originally intended on being a way for him to get localized Japanese animation on television, and the resulting show was the only way to do it at the time. It explains why the series didn't shy away from complex plot points or mature writing, despite all the alterations from the original Japanese shows. Also the localization did ''not'' make use of NeverSayDie like most localizations at the time. Not only did it fully acknowledge character deaths, it actually added ''more'' deaths when [[spoiler:it had Captain Gloval, Claudia, Sammy, Kim, and Vanessa perish off-screen]]. Macek didn't envision a specific target audience, but he assumed it would mostly be watched by science fiction fans into their teens and twenties. This was all made all the more obvious when Cannon Films pulled ''Robotech: The Movie'' before release. They had assumed the film would be targeted towards children, and had bought-up advertising slots during children's shows. When the test screenings in Texas attracted a 90% adult audience (and the film itself being was perceived as far too violent for kids), it was pulled from release.
13th Apr '17 2:59:31 AM MarkLungo
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** At best ''Bye Bye Mars'' feels clunky, forced and rushed by today's standards, at worst it looks downright sexist and degrading towards its treatment of Lisa Hayes.

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** At best ''Bye "Bye Bye Mars'' Mars" feels clunky, forced and rushed by today's standards, standards; at worst it looks downright sexist and degrading towards its treatment of Lisa Hayes.
13th Apr '17 2:58:31 AM MarkLungo
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Rick can be quite the pain in the ass at times, which makes it hard to feel bad for him when things don't go his way. [[spoiler:In addition to all his other {{Jerkass}} actions already listed above, it's hard to sympathize with him in ''To The Stars'' when he finally realizes that he can't relate to Minmei any more and then runs through the city freaking out because he thinks Lisa might be dead - which of course she isn't.]] And don't get started on Minmei...

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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Rick can be quite the pain in the ass at times, which makes it hard to feel bad for him when things don't go his way. [[spoiler:In addition to all his other {{Jerkass}} actions already listed above, it's hard to sympathize with him in ''To The Stars'' "To the Stars" when he finally realizes that he can't relate to Minmei any more and then runs through the city freaking out because he thinks Lisa might be dead - which of course she isn't.]] And don't get started on Minmei...
13th Apr '17 2:57:36 AM MarkLungo
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* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: ''WesternAnimation/RobotechTheShadowChronicles'' comes in for a special dose of fan hatred due to the changes it made to its retelling of the original segments of the TV series with which it overlapped. Most notably, several major characters present in the TV series version were cut from the movie's reenactment of an important scene so as not to confuse new viewers with these other characters they didn't know and wouldn't have the chance to meet in the rest of the movie. Harmony Gold representatives somewhat disingenuously claimed those other characters were still there, just outside of camera view. As if that makes the scene any more coherent. A number of other problems with Shadow Chronicles can be laid at the feet of not wanting to confuse a new audience who had not seen the original series. No mention is made of the Zentraedi or Robotech Masters (even the half-Zentraedi character is referred to as "half-alien") or a number of other elements that are important to the backstory but don't play any role in the current movie. The result is that dialogue often seems stilted and omissions make little sense.

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* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: ''WesternAnimation/RobotechTheShadowChronicles'' comes in for a special dose of fan hatred due to the changes it made to its retelling of the original segments of the TV series with which it overlapped. Most notably, several major characters present in the TV series version were cut from the movie's reenactment of an important scene so as not to confuse new viewers with these other characters they didn't know and wouldn't have the chance to meet in the rest of the movie. Harmony Gold representatives somewhat disingenuously claimed those other characters were still there, just outside of camera view. As if that makes the scene any more coherent. A number of other problems with Shadow Chronicles can be laid at ''Shadow Chronicles'' were caused by the feet of producers not wanting to confuse a new audience who had not seen the original series. No mention is made of the Zentraedi or Robotech Masters (even the half-Zentraedi character is referred to as "half-alien") or a number of other elements that are important to the backstory but don't play any role in the current movie. The result is that dialogue often seems stilted and omissions make little sense.
13th Apr '17 2:54:02 AM MarkLungo
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** The Disciples/Children of Zor. Due ''Robotech Academy'' (where they should have appeared) not getting developed we know very little about them, except for one thing: at the start of the Second Robotech War the Masters considered the Invid little more than a nuisance even after the loss of the Zentraedi (it would take the losses caused by the Armies of the Southern Cross for the Masters to take the Invid seriously), but the very idea the Children of Zor could get to Earth before them was so scary they didn't even dare to ''discuss'' it after one single mention.

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** The Disciples/Children of Zor. Due to ''Robotech Academy'' (where they should have appeared) not getting developed we know very little about them, except for one thing: at the start of the Second Robotech War the Masters considered the Invid little more than a nuisance even after the loss of the Zentraedi (it would take the losses caused by the Armies of the Southern Cross for the Masters to take the Invid seriously), but the very idea the Children of Zor could get to Earth before them was so scary they didn't even dare to ''discuss'' it after one single mention.
13th Apr '17 2:46:50 AM MarkLungo
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** Rick Hunter's long awaited hook up with Lisa Hayes in the final '''Macross Saga''' episode "To the Stars" is supposed to be one big CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming for both the regular fans and the shippers, but after all the angst Rick put Lisa through it comes off looking more unintentionally funny than anything else. Remember, this is a guy who jerked his love interest around while he pined for someone else, verbally degraded her in front of her subordinates, stood her up on a date, and in general was just very unpleasant to her, so even with an entire city blowing up around them (due to the Zentradi invasion) as Rick finally tells Lisa he loves her the scene just doesn't resonate the way it should. The scene where they're finally together at the end just before the credits fade out is also hard to take seriously.

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** Rick Hunter's long awaited hook up with Lisa Hayes in the final '''Macross Saga''' ''Macross Saga'' episode "To the Stars" is supposed to be one big CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming for both the regular fans and the shippers, but after all the angst Rick put Lisa through it comes off looking more unintentionally funny than anything else. Remember, this is a guy who jerked his love interest around while he pined for someone else, verbally degraded her in front of her subordinates, stood her up on a date, and in general was just very unpleasant to her, so even with an entire city blowing up around them (due to the Zentradi invasion) as Rick finally tells Lisa he loves her the scene just doesn't resonate the way it should. The scene where they're finally together at the end just before the credits fade out is also hard to take seriously.
13th Apr '17 2:46:07 AM MarkLungo
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* {{Macekre}}: Though effectively the TropeNamer, it was probably one of the ''better'' [[CutAndPasteTranslation Cut and Paste translations]] of its time (contrast, say, ''Anime/{{Voltron}}''), being unafraid to cut out things like character death, remaining relatively faithful to the Macross part of the storyline and even, allegedly, ''improving'' upon the original ''Anime/SuperDimensionCavalrySouthernCross''. Nevertheless, stuff like the adaptation introducing more plot holes than a piece of Swiss cheese towards the end of the Macross saga onwards, the awkward narration and Minmay's ''terrible' singing voice compared to the original do still give this impression to people.

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* {{Macekre}}: Though effectively the TropeNamer, it was probably one of the ''better'' [[CutAndPasteTranslation Cut and Paste translations]] of its time (contrast, say, ''Anime/{{Voltron}}''), being unafraid to cut out things like character death, remaining relatively faithful to the Macross ''Macross'' part of the storyline and even, allegedly, ''improving'' upon the original ''Anime/SuperDimensionCavalrySouthernCross''. Nevertheless, stuff like the adaptation introducing more [[AdaptationInducedPlotHole plot holes holes]] than a piece of Swiss cheese towards the end of the Macross ''Macross'' saga onwards, the awkward narration and Minmay's ''terrible' ''terrible'' singing voice compared to the original do still give this impression to people.



** Rick Hunter's long awaited hook up with Lisa Hayes in the final '''Macross Saga''' episode ''To The Stars'' is supposed to be one big CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming for both the regular fans and the shippers, but after all the angst Rick put Lisa through it comes off looking more unintentionally funny than anything else. Remember this is a guy who jerked his love interest around while he pined for someone else, verbally degraded her in front of her subordinates, stood her up on a date, and in general was just very unpleasant to her, so even with an entire city blowing up around them (due to the Zentradi invasion) as Rick finally tells Lisa he loves her the scene just doesn't resonate the way it should. The scene where they're finally together at the end just before the credits fade out is also hard to take seriously.

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** Rick Hunter's long awaited hook up with Lisa Hayes in the final '''Macross Saga''' episode ''To The Stars'' "To the Stars" is supposed to be one big CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming for both the regular fans and the shippers, but after all the angst Rick put Lisa through it comes off looking more unintentionally funny than anything else. Remember Remember, this is a guy who jerked his love interest around while he pined for someone else, verbally degraded her in front of her subordinates, stood her up on a date, and in general was just very unpleasant to her, so even with an entire city blowing up around them (due to the Zentradi invasion) as Rick finally tells Lisa he loves her the scene just doesn't resonate the way it should. The scene where they're finally together at the end just before the credits fade out is also hard to take seriously.



* NewerThanTheyThink: With regards to the {{Broken Base}}: When the show first debuted, it was actually quite popular with the Science Fiction crowd as well as the fledgling American Anime community at the time.

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* NewerThanTheyThink: With regards to the {{Broken Base}}: BrokenBase: When the show first debuted, it was actually quite popular with the Science Fiction crowd as well as the fledgling American Anime community at the time.



* VindicatedByHistory: This arguably [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap has happened to Minmei as time passed]]. It seems that according to many forum replies and opinions posted in the recent years, the Minmei hate has died down to an extent, with many people who formerly hated her have grown to understand or sympathize with her, with many making well-thought arguments on why they don't hate her anymore. Making this a possible case of VindicatedByHistory or nostalgia. It helps that she received CharacterDevelopment and [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap actually matured]] following the destruction of Earth in "Force of Arms". Also worth noting is that while Minmei may have had slight character rerailment during the ''Reconstruction Blues'' episodes, so were Rick Hunter and Lisa Hayes.

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* VindicatedByHistory: This arguably [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap has happened to Minmei as time passed]]. It seems that according to many forum replies and opinions posted in the recent years, the Minmei hate has died down to an extent, with many people who formerly hated her have grown to understand or sympathize with her, with many making well-thought arguments on why they don't hate her anymore. Making this a possible case of VindicatedByHistory or nostalgia. It helps that she received CharacterDevelopment and [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap actually matured]] following the destruction of Earth in "Force of Arms". Also worth noting is that while Minmei may have had slight character rerailment during the ''Reconstruction Blues'' episodes, "Reconstruction Blues" episode, so were Rick Hunter and Lisa Hayes.



** Rick Hunter for thinking he could manage a date with both Minmei and Lisa in ''Private Time'' (after initially making a date with Lisa only to have Minmei guilt trip him into coming to see her first). At least he's smart enough not to be surprised when it blows up in his face.
** Sean Philips for thinking it was a good idea to keep Marie Crystal waiting for him in ''Love Song''. It didn't work out so well for either of them.

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** Rick Hunter for thinking he could manage a date with both Minmei and Lisa in ''Private Time'' "Private Time" (after initially making a date with Lisa only to have Minmei guilt trip him into coming to see her first). At least he's smart enough not to be surprised when it blows up in his face.
** Sean Philips for thinking it was a good idea to keep Marie Crystal waiting for him in ''Love Song''."Love Song". It didn't work out so well for either of them.
13th Apr '17 2:35:05 AM MarkLungo
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* LikeYouWouldReallyDoIt: Part of what make the series stand out so much in the 1980s. For instance, you see Roy Fokker seriously wounded and you'd think they pull some crude last minute save, they [[KilledOffForReal kill him off for real]]. In the very next episode, you'd think that they would never do that again, they suddenly kill off Ben Dixon too. Finally, when the Zentraedi fleet are charging up their main guns to bombard Earth, you'll have been still convinced that the producers would ''never'' show them actually destroying the planet, ''they do!'', reducing the planetary human population from billions to 50,000 in seconds. For a 1980s kid accustomed to the indigenous content limits watching this, this series was as shocking as it was ''unpredictable''!

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* LikeYouWouldReallyDoIt: Part of what make the series stand out so much in the 1980s. For instance, you see Roy Fokker seriously wounded and you'd think they pull some crude last minute save, but they [[KilledOffForReal kill him off for real]]. In the very next episode, you'd think that they would never do that again, they suddenly kill off Ben Dixon too. Finally, when the Zentraedi fleet are charging up their main guns to bombard Earth, you'll have been still convinced that the producers would ''never'' show them actually destroying the planet, ''they do!'', reducing the planetary human population from billions to 50,000 in seconds. For a 1980s kid accustomed to the indigenous content limits watching this, this series was as shocking as it was ''unpredictable''!
13th Apr '17 2:34:02 AM MarkLungo
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** To a lesser extent, many viewers got their first appreciation for good SoapOpera-like drama with the Macross generation's LoveTriangle.

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** To a lesser extent, many viewers got their first appreciation for good SoapOpera-like drama with the Macross ''Macross'' generation's LoveTriangle.



** Robotech was really popular in China, where it's known as Taikong Baolei (Space Fortress) along with the Transformers.
** Also, ''Super Dimension Cavalry Southern Cross'' and ''Genesis Climber Mospeada'' are much better known in America (due to Robotech) than in Japan (where they are very obscure). The Japanese dub for Robotech led to The Masters saga being better received in Japan than ''Southern Cross'' was when it was first aired.

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