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* MisAimedFandom: ''Entertainment Weekly'' noted that Jughead's line to Betty of "Go get them Tracy Flick" completely misses the point of how ''Film/Election'' shows Tracy as a nearly power-hungry woman who sees nothing wrong destroying all in her path to get ahead. (Although it can be argued Jughead is falling into the various AlternativeCharacterInterpretation views of Tracy).
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* MisAimedFandom: MisaimedFandom: ''Entertainment Weekly'' noted that Jughead's line to Betty of "Go get them Tracy Flick" completely misses the point of how ''Film/Election'' ''Film/{{Election}}'' shows Tracy as a nearly power-hungry woman who sees nothing wrong destroying all in her path to get ahead. (Although it can be argued Jughead is falling into the various AlternativeCharacterInterpretation views of Tracy).
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* MisAimedFandom: ''Entertainment Weekly'' noted that Jughead's line to Betty of "Go get them Tracy Flick" completely misses the point of how ''Film/Election'' shows Tracy as a nearly power-hungry woman who sees nothing wrong destroying all in her path to get ahead. (Although it can be argued Jughead is falling into the various AlternativeCharacterInterpetation AlternativeCharacterInterpretation views of Tracy).
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* MisAimedFandom: ''Entertainment Weekly'' noted that Jughead's line to Betty of "Go get them Tracy Flick" completely misses the point of how ''Film/Election'' shows Tracy as a nearly power-hungry woman who sees nothing wrong destroying all in her path to get ahead. (Although it can be argued Jughead is falling into the various AlternateCharacterInterpetation views of Tracy).
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* MisAimedFandom: ''Entertainment Weekly'' noted that Jughead's line to Betty of "Go get them Tracy Flick" completely misses the point of how ''Film/Election'' shows Tracy as a nearly power-hungry woman who sees nothing wrong destroying all in her path to get ahead. (Although it can be argued Jughead is falling into the various AlternateCharacterInterpetation AlternativeCharacterInterpetation views of Tracy).
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** We get that Veronica wants to be seen as better than her parents, and she is being forced to pay for their actions, but the fact is that she knew about what they were up to and said nothing. She also punches Reggie in the face and gets away with it.
** Archie spends the entire episode snapping at anyone who isn't Team Lodge, and willingly goes to do his bidding.
** Jughead becomes less sympathetic when a) [[StrawmanHasAPoint Archie points out that he was only at Southside High for a short period of time]], and b) Jughead states that the Southside is only the place where he apparently has fond memories of his family, one that broke up due his dad's drinking, and doesn't appear to have the same good feeling for his mom, who refused to take him in at the end of last season. Basically, Jughead is only reacting this way to hold onto his happy memories that other members of his family don't seem to share.
** Archie spends the entire episode snapping at anyone who isn't Team Lodge, and willingly goes to do his bidding.
** Jughead becomes less sympathetic when a) [[StrawmanHasAPoint Archie points out that he was only at Southside High for a short period of time]], and b) Jughead states that the Southside is only the place where he apparently has fond memories of his family, one that broke up due his dad's drinking, and doesn't appear to have the same good feeling for his mom, who refused to take him in at the end of last season. Basically, Jughead is only reacting this way to hold onto his happy memories that other members of his family don't seem to share.
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** We get that Veronica wants to be seen as better than her parents, and she is being forced to pay for their actions, but she ends up bringing a lot of the fact is heat she gets onto herself by running for student body president, something that she knew about what they were up to and said nothing.is clearly a bad idea. She also punches Reggie in the face and gets away with it.
** Archie spends the entire episode snapping at anyone who isn't Team Lodge, and willingly goes to do his bidding.
** Jughead becomes less sympathetic when a) [[StrawmanHasAPoint Archie points out that he was only at Southside High for a short period of time]], and b) Jughead states that the Southside is only the place where he apparently has fond memories of his family, one that broke up due his dad's drinking, and doesn't appear to have the same good feeling for his mom, who refused to take him in at the end of last season. Basically, Jughead is only reacting this way to hold onto his happy memories that other members of his family don't seem to share.share.
** Also Josie, and more indirectly, Josie's mother, in the same episode. While being mad at Veronica for "stealing" the Pussycats is understandable[[note]]Though it's important to remember that Josie herself ''dumped'' the Pussycats and also broke off her friendship with Veronica in a very harsh way, all based on the word of her mother without giving Veronica a chance to explain things or apologize[[/note]], her being furious at Veronica for Veronica's parents screwing over [=McCoy=] is pretty extreme. Not only is Mayor [=McCoy=] JUST as bad as the Lodges, willingly taking their bribes and oppressing the Southside ''children'' amongst other equally immoral and illegal actions, but Veronica also ''went out of her way to warn Mayor [=McCoy=] that her parents were planning on exposing her affair,'' putting herself at risk in the process. Worse still, even fans who otherwise sympathized with or cheered Josie on felt that she crossed a line by accusing Veronica of being "best friends" with sexual assaulter Nick St. Clair, who not only tried to rape ''Veronica herself,'' but Josie also witnessed Veronica beating the crap out of him for trying it with Cheryl.
** Ethel ''really'' loses a lot of her prior Woobie points by how she harasses Veronica over her parents' actions. While what her dad suffered because of Hiram is horrible, Ethel publicly humiliates Veronica in a manner that, as Betty points out, clearly involved a lot of pre-planning to do. Worse still, Veronica makes it clear she doesn't blame Ethel and sympathises with her, then goes out of her way to try and make amends, only for Ethel to, at first claim to accept it, only to then publicly humiliate her ''again'' by handing out flyers exposing some of Veronica's dirtier secrets and attacking her character, while dismissing Veronica's attempts at making amends as being a 'cheap bribe', despite the fact Veronica herself ''was'' earnest in this and had, previously, been nothing but nice to Ethel.
** Also Josie, and more indirectly, Josie's mother, in the same episode. While being mad at Veronica for "stealing" the Pussycats is understandable[[note]]Though it's important to remember that Josie herself ''dumped'' the Pussycats and also broke off her friendship with Veronica in a very harsh way, all based on the word of her mother without giving Veronica a chance to explain things or apologize[[/note]], her being furious at Veronica for Veronica's parents screwing over [=McCoy=] is pretty extreme. Not only is Mayor [=McCoy=] JUST as bad as the Lodges, willingly taking their bribes and oppressing the Southside ''children'' amongst other equally immoral and illegal actions, but Veronica also ''went out of her way to warn Mayor [=McCoy=] that her parents were planning on exposing her affair,'' putting herself at risk in the process. Worse still, even fans who otherwise sympathized with or cheered Josie on felt that she crossed a line by accusing Veronica of being "best friends" with sexual assaulter Nick St. Clair, who not only tried to rape ''Veronica herself,'' but Josie also witnessed Veronica beating the crap out of him for trying it with Cheryl.
** Ethel ''really'' loses a lot of her prior Woobie points by how she harasses Veronica over her parents' actions. While what her dad suffered because of Hiram is horrible, Ethel publicly humiliates Veronica in a manner that, as Betty points out, clearly involved a lot of pre-planning to do. Worse still, Veronica makes it clear she doesn't blame Ethel and sympathises with her, then goes out of her way to try and make amends, only for Ethel to, at first claim to accept it, only to then publicly humiliate her ''again'' by handing out flyers exposing some of Veronica's dirtier secrets and attacking her character, while dismissing Veronica's attempts at making amends as being a 'cheap bribe', despite the fact Veronica herself ''was'' earnest in this and had, previously, been nothing but nice to Ethel.
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Fred's changing his mind about running for mayor: was it his idea, or was it his ex-wife's idea as a way to get Archie out from under the Lodges' thumb?
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Fred's Fred changing his mind about running for mayor: was it his idea, or was it his ex-wife's idea as a way to get Archie out from under the Lodges' thumb?
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Fred's plans to run for mayor are actually Mary's; she wants him doing this as a way to free Archie from the Lodges.
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Fred's plans to run changing his mind about running for mayor are actually Mary's; she wants him doing this mayor: was it his idea, or was it his ex-wife's idea as a way to free get Archie out from under the Lodges.Lodges' thumb?
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Fred's plans to run for mayor are actually Mary's; she wants him doing this to be a way to free Archie from the Lodges.
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Veronica vs. Reggie. In fact, since part of the reason Veronica was running was to beat him, it would have been a great opportunity to have Reggie go after her and expose her secrets instead of Ethel and Josie. Not to mention, this was the time to use Reggie, since he has been completely underused even after the recasting.
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Veronica vs. Reggie. In fact, since part of the reason Veronica was running was to beat him, it would have been a great opportunity to have Reggie go after her and expose her secrets instead of Ethel and Josie. Not to mention, this was the time to use Reggie, since he has been completely underused even after the recasting.
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Fred's plans to run for mayor are actually Mary's; she wants him doing this to be as a way to free Archie from the Lodges.
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Veronica vs. Reggie.In fact, since Since part of the reason Veronica was running was to beat him, it would have been a great opportunity to have Reggie go after her and expose her secrets instead of Ethel and Josie. Not to mention, this was the time to use Reggie, since he has been completely underused even after the recasting.
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Veronica vs. Reggie.
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: All of the core four. Archie spends the entire episode snapping at anyone who isn't team Lodge, and willingly goes to do his bidding. Veronica is a little better with wanting to show that the Lodges are more than just criminals, until one remembers that she knew about the prison and said nothing (she also punched Reggie and got away with it). Betty gets angry at the truth about Chic being her brother, kicks Kevin out of her house for confessing to catfishing Chic on her behalf, and decides to physically threaten to harm him with FIRE! She also brags about causing the deaths of three men, with him being next. As for Jughead, he himself becomes less sympathetic when a) [[JerkassHasAPoint Archie points out that he was only at Southside High for a short period of time]], and b) Jughead states that the Southside is only the place where he apparently has fond memories of his family, one that broke up due his dad's drinking and apparently doesn't have the same good feeling for his mom, who refused to take him in at the end of last season. Basically, Jughead is only reacting this way to hold on his happy memories that other members of his family don't seem to share.
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** Betty. Apparently, the best way to deal with Chic is to threaten him with fire, brag about getting three men killed, and taunt him about possibly dying because of her.
** We get that Veronica wants to be seen as better than her parents, and she is being forced to pay for their actions, but the fact is that she knew about what they were up to and said nothing. She also punches Reggie in the face and gets away with it.
** Archie spends the entire episode snapping at anyone who isn'tteam Team Lodge, and willingly goes to do his bidding. Veronica is a little better with wanting to show that the Lodges are more than just criminals, until one remembers that she knew about the prison and said nothing (she also punched Reggie and got away with it). Betty gets angry at the truth about Chic being her brother, kicks Kevin out of her house for confessing to catfishing Chic on her behalf, and decides to physically threaten to harm him with FIRE! She also brags about causing the deaths of three men, with him being next. As for Jughead, he himself bidding.
** Jughead becomes less sympathetic when a)[[JerkassHasAPoint [[StrawmanHasAPoint Archie points out that he was only at Southside High for a short period of time]], and b) Jughead states that the Southside is only the place where he apparently has fond memories of his family, one that broke up due his dad's drinking drinking, and apparently doesn't appear to have the same good feeling for his mom, who refused to take him in at the end of last season. Basically, Jughead is only reacting this way to hold on onto his happy memories that other members of his family don't seem to share.
** Betty. Apparently, the best way to deal with Chic is to threaten him with fire, brag about getting three men killed, and taunt him about possibly dying because of her.
** We get that Veronica wants to be seen as better than her parents, and she is being forced to pay for their actions, but the fact is that she knew about what they were up to and said nothing. She also punches Reggie in the face and gets away with it.
** Archie spends the entire episode snapping at anyone who isn't
** Jughead becomes less sympathetic when a)
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* MoralEventHorizon: In-Universe, everyone acts that way toward the Lodges over the plans for the prison. Mary even states that Hiram will turn the town into a penal colony.
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Fred's plans to run for mayor are actually Mary's; she wants him doing this to be a way to free Archie from the Lodges.
* MoralEventHorizon: In-Universe, everyone acts that way toward the Lodges over the plans for the prison. Mary even states that Hiram will turn the town into a penal colony.
* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: All of the core four. Archie spends the entire episode snapping at anyone who isn't team Lodge, and willingly goes to do his bidding. Veronica is a little better with wanting to show that the Lodges are more than just criminals, until one remembers that she knew about the prison and said nothing (she also punched Reggie and got away with it). Betty gets angry at the truth about Chic being her brother, kicks Kevin out of her house for confessing to catfishing Chic on her behalf, and decides to physically threaten to harm him with FIRE! She also brags about causing the deaths of three men, with him being next. As for Jughead, he himself becomes less sympathetic when a) [[JerkassHasAPoint Archie points out that he was only at Southside High for a short period of time]], and b) Jughead states that the Southside is only the place where he apparently has fond memories of his family, one that broke up due his dad's drinking and apparently doesn't have the same good feeling for his mom, who refused to take him in at the end of last season. Basically, Jughead is only reacting this way to hold on his happy memories that other members of his family don't seem to share.
* MoralEventHorizon: In-Universe, everyone acts that way toward the Lodges over the plans for the prison. Mary even states that Hiram will turn the town into a penal colony.
* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: All of the core four. Archie spends the entire episode snapping at anyone who isn't team Lodge, and willingly goes to do his bidding. Veronica is a little better with wanting to show that the Lodges are more than just criminals, until one remembers that she knew about the prison and said nothing (she also punched Reggie and got away with it). Betty gets angry at the truth about Chic being her brother, kicks Kevin out of her house for confessing to catfishing Chic on her behalf, and decides to physically threaten to harm him with FIRE! She also brags about causing the deaths of three men, with him being next. As for Jughead, he himself becomes less sympathetic when a) [[JerkassHasAPoint Archie points out that he was only at Southside High for a short period of time]], and b) Jughead states that the Southside is only the place where he apparently has fond memories of his family, one that broke up due his dad's drinking and apparently doesn't have the same good feeling for his mom, who refused to take him in at the end of last season. Basically, Jughead is only reacting this way to hold on his happy memories that other members of his family don't seem to share.
