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** As mentioned under UnintentionallyUnsympathetic, many felt that Raven was being treated too nicely by Jaune and the narration and that her negative traits were being too downplayed. Chapters 113 and 114 then have Raven willingly leading a raid on an innocent village and applauding her bandits for slaughtering its inhabitants, alongside calling Jaune out for blinding himself to who she really is.



** Many readers feel that the narrative treats Raven far more kindly than she deserves to. Jaune considers her to be something of a friend and an ally worth trusting, despite the fact that she has, in the previous timeline, allied with Salem's servants and directly attacked Jaune's group. In contrast, Ozpin gets little trust or sympathy from Jaune, despite being portrayed far more sympathetically than Raven in canon, as he always tries his best to protect the people around him and to make the best out of a bad situation - though that is largely a result of CanonMarchesOn.

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** Many readers feel that the narrative treats Raven far more kindly than she deserves to. Jaune considers her to be something of a friend and an ally worth trusting, despite the fact that she has, in the previous timeline, allied with Salem's servants and directly attacked Jaune's group. In contrast, Ozpin gets little trust or sympathy from Jaune, despite being portrayed far more sympathetically than Raven in canon, as he always tries his best to protect the people around him and to make the best out of a bad situation - though that is largely a result of CanonMarchesOn. Chapter 113 helped to alleviate this, with Raven still being an remorseless bandit and calling Jaune out for deluding himself into believing she's a good person at heart.
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** Raven offering Cinder a place in her tribe, even going so far as to allow her to raid with them and take her spoils afterwards had readers happy for those who believed Cinder would remain said power-hungry psychopath as discussed above. By doing so, Cinder feels more appreciated for her talents, and her lust for power could be sated by asserting her dominance through banditry.
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that didn't even happen in the right order to be anything in hindsight


* HilariousInHindsight: In Chapter 73, Jaune learns that Salem was once the queen of a civilization known as the Ashari -- the same tribe that accepted him as one of their own. Jaune realizes why Ozpin was so paranoid and says he might as well have named himself Jaune Salem Arc. [[Fanfic/WhiteSheepRWBY Which he did in one story, on top of being Salem's only son]].
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** The first fight between Hazel and Jaune was a complete and utter AntiClimax with AssPull justifications for how everyone involved survived the fight (which even the author himself acknowledged in his notes). The second time they fight, the two go toe to toe for an entire chapter with both of them getting beaten to shreds, Raven's BigDamnHeroes is saved for the very end, and there's a very definitive winner with Hazel's death. Overall, this second duel was treated a lot better than the first one was.
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* LateArrivalSpoiler: Jaune traveling farther back than he expected, saving Summer Rose's life, and adopting Emerald were all huge developments when the story first began, but they happened in the first five chapters of a more than 100 chapter story, so they're no longer as important as they were before.
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: After Young Jaune discovers Raven's identity as Yang's mother, he very clearly loses his respect for her and is left in tears by this betrayal from his "fairy godmother". He even decides that he needs to explain his relationship with her to Yang because she deserves to know the truth. Since this was at the same time that Jaune Ashari needed him for a ritual, this had the potential to be a massive SpannerInTheWorks and could've been used to tie up Raven and Yang's emotional issues towards each other. By the next time we see them interact again, Young Jaune has no problem trusting Raven's word about a complete stranger and willingly goes on a mission with her across the planet and, completely off-page, he apparently decided not to talk to Yang about it.
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** Helena's insistence that Alexander loves his daughters was seen by some as a ShockingSwerve meant to justify Pyrrha not quitting tournament fighting, as every moment he was in the story seemed to suggest the exact opposite. During Pyrrha's FakeAssassination, Alexander gets in Jaune's way and begs him to spare his daughters with genuine emotion, finally providing evidence for these claims.
** As mentioned under BaseBreakingCharacter, many readers were unhappy at Blake's blatant KarmaHoudini as a result of her joining Beacon despite all of her villainous acts from her time with the White Fang. Chapter 106 then has Summer reveal that the staff are all aware of her history with the White Fang and if she so much as breaths in the wrong way she'll be treated as a threat.

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** Summer tries to argue that Cinder could potentially be redeemed if Jaune gave it an honest try, using Blake's AdaptationalVillainy and Jaune's attempts to protect her to argue that Jaune is too set in what he wants the future to be to try it. Jaune's lack of a valid response would verify this idea if it didn't completely ignore the fact that Blake was manipulated by the leaders of a cause she honestly believed in, that Jaune's interference in the timeline accidentally caused her father's murder at the hands of a racist Atlas general (justifying her much darker path), and that without Jaune's interference Blake was completely heroic and thus she has the potential to get there again, while Cinder is the exact same power-craving psychopath that she was in canon.



* UnintentionallySympathetic: The narration calls out some of Jaune Ashari's hypocrisy and flaws fairly, but when other characters get in on it and the narration shows it positively this effect is often present. The narration treats Hazel's comments towards Jaune as forcing him to confront his inner darkness, seemingly expecting us to believe that ''Hazel's'' words can be trusted as facts. Raven may be justified when she complains that Jaune keeps her in the dark and expects her to help at his beck and call, but her blaming him for the state of the timeline is just laughable after how much she screwed up the original timeline (and at this point, she's aware of that, so she has no leg to stand on). Helena getting angry at Jaune after Pyrrha announces she'll continue fighting because he forced her into a position to agree with her father or agree with the outsider, after both of them have made it clear they despise their father and are looking for the first chance to drop him and run, makes next to no sense, and yet Jaune blames the entire thing on himself by the end of it. Additionally, when Raven says that Jaune only reset the future to save his friends out of selfishness (which he ends up agreeing to), they both seem to forget that at the end of the last timeline, Jacques had Atlas, the last Kingdom remaining, under his complete control and besides him only Raven and Jaune were still alive.

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* UnintentionallySympathetic: The narration calls out some of Jaune Ashari's hypocrisy and flaws fairly, but when other characters get in on it and the narration shows it positively this effect is often present. present:
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The narration treats Hazel's comments towards Jaune as forcing him to confront his inner darkness, seemingly expecting us to believe that ''Hazel's'' words can be trusted as facts. facts.
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Raven may be justified when she complains that Jaune keeps her in the dark and expects her to help at his beck and call, but her blaming him for the state of the timeline is just laughable after how much she screwed up the original timeline (and at this point, she's aware of that, so she has no leg to stand on). on).
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Helena getting angry at Jaune after Pyrrha announces she'll continue fighting because he forced her into a position to agree with her father or agree with the outsider, after both of them have made it clear they despise their father and are looking for the first chance to drop him and run, makes next to no sense, and yet Jaune blames the entire thing on himself by the end of it. Additionally, when it.
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Raven says that Jaune only reset the future to save his friends out of selfishness (which he ends up agreeing to), they both seem to forget that at the end of the last timeline, Jacques had Atlas, the last Kingdom remaining, under his complete control and besides him only Raven and Jaune were still alive.alive.
** Summer calls Jaune out for putting Emerald and Young Jaune in danger by having them spy on Cinder and says that he should've had her or Ozpin do it instead. While calling him out for putting the children in danger is fair, saying he should've come to her is downright ridiculous considering that both her and Ozpin didn't trust him a single ounce before this moment. Also, trying to say that he's just too set in his ways to try to redeem Cinder by using Blake's AdaptationalVillainy to argue for it falls completely flat when Blake became the way she is due to Jaune's timeline interferences while Cinder is exactly the same as canon.


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** Based on how the story is framed, the audience is supposed to accept the idea that Cinder could be swayed to the side of good if Jaune gave it a try, but Jaune is too set in his ways to try that. It's an interesting idea that Jaune doesn't seem to argue against, but the fact that Cinder is the exact same power hungry psychopath that she was in canon despite all of Jaune's changes to the timeline really seems to suggest that Cinder is completely irredeemable.

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Put the thing with Pyrrha somewhere else, maybe Ron The Death Eater or Base Breaking Character - don't argue under a trope


* AssPull: In chapter 92, Helena insists that her father Alexander used to be a loving and caring father who let fame go to his head after spending a lifetime of trying to make something of the Nikos name. However, every single mention of the man before that moment portrays him as a lifelong {{Jerkass}} with hinted longstanding ties to organized crime.
** Alleviated, at least in part, as of chapter 95. Any fear for his own safety is immediately overridden by fear for Pyrrha's, and in the aftermath of the (faked) attempt on her life he immediately accepts Ozpin's offer to let her stay in Beacon.

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** *** Alleviated, at least in part, as of chapter 95. Any fear for his own safety is immediately overridden by fear for Pyrrha's, and in the aftermath of the (faked) attempt on her life he immediately accepts Ozpin's offer to let her stay in Beacon.
** Lionheart's motivation as TheMole is inconsistent at best. At first, he seems to be a standard traitor, in that he just doesn't like Ozpin and is therefore perfectly willing to kill him, but then Watts and Tyrian say that in exchange for his help they promised him power and influence, as though he was just in it for his own power. Then the next chapter claims that he just lost his mind when he thought Salem could never be stopped and made a deal with her that involved leaving Mistral alone, as though he thought he was being heroic and sparing Mistral from Salem's wrath.



*** On the other hand, she, a teenage girl, was being called out on live TV by a man, who for all intents and purpose is a stranger to her and shouldn't even know about her reluctance in the first place, while physically and mentally exhausted and dealing with the realization she has sudden access to a power that she knows is not her semblance. All while being pressured by her father who she stills loves despite his abusive tendencies.
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** Alleviated, at least in part, as of chapter 95. Any fear for his own safety is immediately overridden by fear for Pyrrha's, and in the aftermath of the (faked) attempt on her life he immediately accepts Ozpin's offer to let her stay in Beacon.
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***On the other hand, she, a teenage girl, was being called out on live TV by a man, who for all intents and purpose is a stranger to her and shouldn't even know about her reluctance in the first place, while physically and mentally exhausted and dealing with the realization she has sudden access to a power that she knows is not her semblance. All while being pressured by her father who she stills loves despite his abusive tendencies.
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** Some feel Pyrrha forfeited her right to sympathy in chapter 91. After insisting several times that she wanted to stop fighting in tournaments, especially once she started attending a Huntsman Academy, Pyrrha is pressured into entering another tournament but Helena helps her by announcing it's Pyrrha's final tournament before she retires. Despite finally having the perfect out to give up tournament fighting for good, Pyrrha still confirms in a press conference that she's not retiring and will continue fighting. Made worse by the fact one of Pyrrha's opponents in the tournament vastly outclassed her and offered the girl the chance to forfeit, but Pyrrha insisted on fighting on anyway rather than bowing out.

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** Some feel Pyrrha forfeited her right to sympathy in chapter 91. After insisting several times that she wanted to stop fighting in tournaments, especially once she started attending a Huntsman Academy, Pyrrha is pressured into entering another tournament but Helena helps her by announcing it's Pyrrha's final tournament before she retires. Despite finally having the perfect out to give up tournament fighting for good, Pyrrha still confirms in a press conference that she's not retiring and will continue fighting. Made worse by the fact one of Pyrrha's opponents in the tournament vastly outclassed her and offered the girl the chance to forfeit, but Pyrrha insisted on fighting on anyway rather than bowing out, and then she and Helena put all the blame on Jaune for “escalating the situation” when he continued to provide her an out.

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* CrossesTheLineTwice: Jacques Schnee demanding that his oldest daughter enter into an ArrangedMarriage with her former teacher for political connections and wealth? Terrible. Arranging the marriage with the teacher that he knows damn well she's 100% into and then ''teasing her over it''? Hilarious.



** There are small but noticeable part of fandom who sheep Jaune (Ashari), Raven, and Winter all together.

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** There are small but noticeable part of fandom who sheep ship Jaune (Ashari), Raven, and Winter all together.
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Moving anticlimax to main page.


* AntiClimax: The conclusion to the fight between Jaune and Hazel in chapter 68. Despite being built up over the last few chapters as the fight where Jaune finally stops holding back he not only still doesn't use his full semblance the fight itself ends up being very short and in the end both opponents survive due to a DiabolusExMachina knocking Jaune out forcing him to be saved by Raven who decides to let a tired and injured Hazel escape.

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* AntiClimax: The conclusion to the fight between Jaune and Hazel in AssPull: In chapter 68. Despite being built up over the last few chapters as the fight where Jaune finally stops holding back he not only still doesn't use his full semblance the fight itself ends up being very short and in the end both opponents survive due to a DiabolusExMachina knocking Jaune out forcing him 92, Helena insists that her father Alexander used to be saved by Raven a loving and caring father who decides to let fame go to his head after spending a tired and injured Hazel escape.lifetime of trying to make something of the Nikos name. However, every single mention of the man before that moment portrays him as a lifelong {{Jerkass}} with hinted longstanding ties to organized crime.

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* BaseBreakingCharacter: Blake. Specifically her still attending Beacon as in canon. Unlike in canon she doesn't regret being a part of the White Fang and still agrees with their violent methods. Some think it's simply a darker take on the character while others are unhappy at the blatant KarmaHoudini.



* BaseBreakingCharacter: Blake. Specifically her still attending Beacon as in canon. Unlike in canon she doesn't regret being a part of the White Fang and still agrees with their violent methods. Some think it's simply a darker take on the character while others are unhappy at the blatant KarmaHoudini.


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* UnintentionallySympathetic: The narration calls out some of Jaune Ashari's hypocrisy and flaws fairly, but when other characters get in on it and the narration shows it positively this effect is often present. The narration treats Hazel's comments towards Jaune as forcing him to confront his inner darkness, seemingly expecting us to believe that ''Hazel's'' words can be trusted as facts. Raven may be justified when she complains that Jaune keeps her in the dark and expects her to help at his beck and call, but her blaming him for the state of the timeline is just laughable after how much she screwed up the original timeline (and at this point, she's aware of that, so she has no leg to stand on). Helena getting angry at Jaune after Pyrrha announces she'll continue fighting because he forced her into a position to agree with her father or agree with the outsider, after both of them have made it clear they despise their father and are looking for the first chance to drop him and run, makes next to no sense, and yet Jaune blames the entire thing on himself by the end of it. Additionally, when Raven says that Jaune only reset the future to save his friends out of selfishness (which he ends up agreeing to), they both seem to forget that at the end of the last timeline, Jacques had Atlas, the last Kingdom remaining, under his complete control and besides him only Raven and Jaune were still alive.

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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Many readers feel that the narrative treats Raven far more kindly than she deserves to. Jaune considers her to be something of a friend and an ally worth trusting, despite the fact that she has, in the previous timeline, allied with Salem's servants and directly attacked Jaune's group. In contrast, Ozpin gets little trust or sympathy from Jaune, despite being portrayed far more sympathetically than Raven in canon, as he always tries his best to protect the people around him and to make the best out of a bad situation - though that is largely a result of CanonMarchesOn.

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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: UnintentionallyUnsympathetic:
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Many readers feel that the narrative treats Raven far more kindly than she deserves to. Jaune considers her to be something of a friend and an ally worth trusting, despite the fact that she has, in the previous timeline, allied with Salem's servants and directly attacked Jaune's group. In contrast, Ozpin gets little trust or sympathy from Jaune, despite being portrayed far more sympathetically than Raven in canon, as he always tries his best to protect the people around him and to make the best out of a bad situation - though that is largely a result of CanonMarchesOn.CanonMarchesOn.
** Some feel Pyrrha forfeited her right to sympathy in chapter 91. After insisting several times that she wanted to stop fighting in tournaments, especially once she started attending a Huntsman Academy, Pyrrha is pressured into entering another tournament but Helena helps her by announcing it's Pyrrha's final tournament before she retires. Despite finally having the perfect out to give up tournament fighting for good, Pyrrha still confirms in a press conference that she's not retiring and will continue fighting. Made worse by the fact one of Pyrrha's opponents in the tournament vastly outclassed her and offered the girl the chance to forfeit, but Pyrrha insisted on fighting on anyway rather than bowing out.
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* BaseBreakingCharacter: Blake. Specifically her still attending Beacon as in canon. Unlike in canon she doesn't regret being a part of the White Fang and still agrees with their violent methods. Some think it's simply a darker take on the character while others are unhappy at the blatant KarmaHoudini.

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* OneTrueThreesome: After getting rescued by young Jaune, Nora agrees to go on a date with him as long as Ren is involved as well. Many readers approved of the scenario.

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After getting rescued by young Jaune, Nora agrees to go on a date with him as long as Ren is involved as well. Many readers approved of the scenario.scenario.
** There are small but noticeable part of fandom who sheep Jaune (Ashari), Raven, and Winter all together.
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* HilariousInHindsight: In Chapter 73, Jaune learns that Salem was once the queen of a civilization known as the Ashari -- the same tribe that accepted him as one of their own. Jaune realizes why Ozpin was so paranoid and says he might as well have named himself Jaune Salem Arc. [[Fanfic/WhiteSheep Which he did in one story, on top of being Salem's only son]].

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* HilariousInHindsight: In Chapter 73, Jaune learns that Salem was once the queen of a civilization known as the Ashari -- the same tribe that accepted him as one of their own. Jaune realizes why Ozpin was so paranoid and says he might as well have named himself Jaune Salem Arc. [[Fanfic/WhiteSheep [[Fanfic/WhiteSheepRWBY Which he did in one story, on top of being Salem's only son]].
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* HilariousInHindsight: In Chapter 73, Jaune learns that Salem was once the queen of a civilization known as the Ashari -- the same tribe that accepted him as one of their own. Jaune realizes why Ozpin was so paranoid and says he might as well have named himself Jaune Salem Arc. [[Fanfic/WhiteSheep Which he did in one story, on top of being Salem's only son]].
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* AssPull: The conclusion to the fight between Jaune and Hazel in chapter 68. Despite being built up over the last few chapters as the fight where Jaune finally stops holding back he not only still doesn't use his full semblance the fight itself ends up being very short and in the end both opponents survive due to a DiabolusExMachina knocking Jaune out forcing him to be saved by Raven who decides to let a tired and injured Hazel escape.

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* AssPull: AntiClimax: The conclusion to the fight between Jaune and Hazel in chapter 68. Despite being built up over the last few chapters as the fight where Jaune finally stops holding back he not only still doesn't use his full semblance the fight itself ends up being very short and in the end both opponents survive due to a DiabolusExMachina knocking Jaune out forcing him to be saved by Raven who decides to let a tired and injured Hazel escape.
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* AssPull: The conclusion to the fight between Jaune and Hazel in chapter 68. Despite being built up over the last few chapters as the fight where Jaune finally stops holding back he not only still doesn't use his full semblance the fight itself ends up being very short, most of the characters involved act out of character, and in the end both opponents survive due to a DiabolusExMachina.

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* AssPull: The conclusion to the fight between Jaune and Hazel in chapter 68. Despite being built up over the last few chapters as the fight where Jaune finally stops holding back he not only still doesn't use his full semblance the fight itself ends up being very short, most of the characters involved act out of character, short and in the end both opponents survive due to a DiabolusExMachina.DiabolusExMachina knocking Jaune out forcing him to be saved by Raven who decides to let a tired and injured Hazel escape.
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* AssPull: The conclusion to the fight between Jaune and Hazel in chapter 68. Despite being built up over the last few chapters as the fight where Jaune finally stops holding back he not only 'still' doesn't use his full semblance the fight itself ends up being very short, most of the characters involved act out of character, and in the end both opponents survive due to a DiabolusExMachina.

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* AssPull: The conclusion to the fight between Jaune and Hazel in chapter 68. Despite being built up over the last few chapters as the fight where Jaune finally stops holding back he not only 'still' still doesn't use his full semblance the fight itself ends up being very short, most of the characters involved act out of character, and in the end both opponents survive due to a DiabolusExMachina.
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* AssPull: The conclusion to the fight between Jaune and Hazel in chapter 68. Despite being built up over the last few chapters as the fight where Jaune finally stops holding back he not only 'still' doesn't use his full semblance the fight itself ends up being very short, most of the characters involved act out of character, and in the end both opponents survive due to a DiabolusExMachina.
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* OneTrueThreesome: After getting rescued by young Jaune, Nora agrees to go on a date with him as long as Ren is involved as well. Many readers approved of the scenario.
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* {{Scrub}}: Alexander Nikos and the team he hired to analyze Pyrrha's opponents declare anything but straight head to head combat to be cowardly at best and outright cheating at worst, including traps, smokescreens, hit and run tactics, and using a Semblance (except for Pyrrha).



** That being said, it does help Raven's case that Jaune rubbed off on her long before she would cross any MoralEventHorizon, to where she is dissappointed with her canon counterpart (and wants nothing to do with her) once she uses the Relic of Knowledge and learns of the latter's existence. Shades of making positive changes did show up such as her actually watching (and commending) her daughter's prowess during the Mistral Regional Tournament.
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** That being said, it does help Raven's case that Jaune rubbed off on her long before she would cross any MoralEventHorizon, to where she is openly disgusted with her canon counterpart (and wants nothing to do with her) once she uses the Relic of Knowledge and learns of the latter's existence. Shades of making positive changes did show up such as her witnessing (and commending) her daughter's prowess during the Mistral Regional Tournament.

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** That being said, it does help Raven's case that Jaune rubbed off on her long before she would cross any MoralEventHorizon, to where she is openly disgusted dissappointed with her canon counterpart (and wants nothing to do with her) once she uses the Relic of Knowledge and learns of the latter's existence. Shades of making positive changes did show up such as her witnessing actually watching (and commending) her daughter's prowess during the Mistral Regional Tournament.
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** That being said, it does help Raven's case that Jaune rubbed off on her long before she would cross any MoralEventHorizon, to where she is openly disgusted with her canon counterpart (and wants nothing to do with her) once she uses the Relic of Knowledge and learns of the latter's existence. Shades of making positive changes did show up such as her witnessing (and commending) her daughter's prowess during the Mistral Regional Tournament.
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* {{Scrub}}: Alexander Nikos and the team he hired to analyze Pyrrha's opponents declare anything but straight head to head combat to be cowardly at best and outright cheating at worst, including traps, smokescreens, hit and run tactics, and using a Semblance (except for Pyrrha).
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Many readers feel that the narrative treats Raven far more kindly than she deserves to. Jaune considers her to be something of a friend and an ally worth trusting, despite the fact that she has, in the previous timeline, allied with Salem's servants and directly attacked Jaune's group. In contrast, Ozpin gets little trust or sympathy from Jaune, despite being portrayed far more sympathetically than Raven in canon, as he always tries his best to protect the people around him and to make the best out of a bad situation - though that is largely a result of CanonMarchesOn.
* TheWoobie: Emerald. She is introduced into the story as a street urchin who struggles avoid starvation and she gets her arm broken immediately upon introduction. She does get better with time, but her traumatic early childhood left her with some major mental scars, some of which are yet to be fully healed.

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