History YMMV / Redwall

7th Jun '17 9:59:51 AM BossKey
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** [[Series/{{Blackadder}} Friar Bellows]] in ''Salamandastron''. Probably not intentional. There's also Martin in ''The Pearls of Lutra'', who is not the Martin the Warrior who founded the abbey (that ''was'' his namesake, however).

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** [[Series/{{Blackadder}} Friar Bellows]] in ''Salamandastron''. Probably not intentional. There's also Martin in ''The Pearls of Lutra'', who is not the Martin the Warrior who founded the abbey (that ''was'' his namesake, however).



** Buckler the hare from ''The Sable Quean'' shares a name with Buckler the mole from ''Martin the Warrior''.
** There are two searats named Ripfang, one in ''Mossflower'' and the other in ''Lord Brocktree''. Interestingly, since ''Lord Brocktree'' takes place before ''Mossflower'' within a relatively close time frame, it's entirely possible that [[FridgeBrilliance they are the same rat.]] WordOfGod states that was merely a coincidence, but many fans like to think otherwise.



** Mostly residing in ''Triss.'' It is far easier to say that the only characters who ''aren't'' Scrappies are Plugg Firetail, Drufo, Shogg, and all of the MauveShirt Freebooters like Grubbage and Slitfang.

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** Mostly residing in ''Triss.'' It is far easier to say that the only characters who ''aren't'' Scrappies are Plugg Firetail, Drufo, Shogg, the adders, and all of the MauveShirt Freebooters like Grubbage and Slitfang.
30th May '17 7:47:28 PM Fireblood
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* FamilyUnfriendlyAesop: The series has the repeated message that some people have no good in them. Anyone who thinks otherwise will only be harmed. It's most stark in ''Outcast of Redwall'', where it is feared an infant is born bad... and they turn out to be ''right''. To the point that it turns out they gave him a name which is an anagram for "evil" and "vile". Yet even after he dies saving someone, this attitude doesn't change. It's portrayed as the nature of certain species (with just a few exceptions), an obvious case of severe {{unfortunate implications}}.
1st May '17 7:45:27 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* JumpingTheShark:
** It seems likely the target audience merely changed to a group a few years younger. This would explain why there's a good number of people who call themselves "former Redwall fans who still like the older books". Right around ''Lord Brocktree'', the target audience age stayed the same and you grew [[strike: out of it]] old enough to notice the FridgeLogic.
** At some point, Redwall subplots were forced into each book, and many of them had little or [[TrappedByMountainLions no relation to the main plot]].
22nd Feb '17 10:01:59 PM DevinMeenan
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* Sequelitis: ''Mattimeo'', one of the few direct sequels in the series (in particular acting as a sequel to the original ''Redwall'', often seen as a case of FirstInstallmentWins), is often seen as one of the lesser books, due to an inconsistent narrative and a good deal of anti-climax.
7th Jan '17 8:01:22 AM SeptimusHeap
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* FreudWasRight: The swords-and-roses motifs which recur throughout the series. Also, the scene in ''Doomwyte'' where a very large blind snake is trapped in a tunnel.
16th Dec '16 9:11:08 PM Chabal2
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* HilariousInHindsight: The crows in ''Doomwyte'' make a lot of cawing and croaking noises when talking. One of them?
--> [[WesternAnimation/LegendOfKorra Korra!]]
30th Oct '16 4:53:26 AM Morgenthaler
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** ''High Rhulain'' constantly keeps reminding us with Tiria that you shouldn't discriminate against women, and that any female can do the same things a male can do. Clearly Brian Jacques forgot that he already tried to show that with the dozens and dozens of other '''female''' {{Badass}} heroes (and villains, for that matter) this series has to offer.

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** ''High Rhulain'' constantly keeps reminding us with Tiria that you shouldn't discriminate against women, and that any female can do the same things a male can do. Clearly Brian Jacques forgot that he already tried to show that with the dozens and dozens of other '''female''' {{Badass}} badass heroes (and villains, for that matter) this series has to offer.



** Rasconza, simply for being a {{Badass}} MagnificentBastard who managed to outsmart [[SmugSnake Ublaz]] on multiple occasions.

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** Rasconza, simply for being a {{Badass}} MagnificentBastard who managed to outsmart [[SmugSnake Ublaz]] on multiple occasions.



* WinBackTheCrowd: ''The Sable Quean'' certainly did this after the author published quite a few lackluster (or downright horrible) novels. ''The Sable Quean'' gave us interesting and {{Badass}} protagonists who developed over time, no useless subplots (except for maybe one that was resolved quickly), a new plot, smarter villains, and [[BloodKnight Zwilt the Shade]]. Needless to say, many Redwall fans were pleased with this book. Unfortunately, just as the crowd came back [[AuthorExistenceFailure the author left]].

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* WinBackTheCrowd: ''The Sable Quean'' certainly did this after the author published quite a few lackluster (or downright horrible) novels. ''The Sable Quean'' gave us interesting and {{Badass}} badass protagonists who developed over time, no useless subplots (except for maybe one that was resolved quickly), a new plot, smarter villains, and [[BloodKnight Zwilt the Shade]]. Needless to say, many Redwall fans were pleased with this book. Unfortunately, just as the crowd came back [[AuthorExistenceFailure the author left]].



* WriteWhoYouKnow: WordOfGod is that Jacques based Gonff the Mousethief on his younger self, and Constance the badger was based on his grandmother. If that's true, Jacques must have had an ''impressively'' {{Badass}} [[NeverMessWithGranny grandmother]]...

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* WriteWhoYouKnow: WordOfGod is that Jacques based Gonff the Mousethief on his younger self, and Constance the badger was based on his grandmother. If that's true, Jacques must have had an ''impressively'' {{Badass}} [[NeverMessWithGranny badass grandmother]]...
21st Oct '16 6:31:41 PM trixus
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* DesignatedVillain: Generally speaking, anything that hunts the AlwaysLawfulGood characters is treated as a villain for that reason. Any sympathy or respect towards a creature's right to live tends to end at the "It eats us!" line, and there is no way a member of the typical victim species will perceive something like Asmodeus as anything short of pure evil. However, in the context of ''Redwall'' this comes as a bit of hypocrisy on the author's (and in a couple of cases even the characters') part, when similar unapologetic sapient-eaters (Stonehead, Aluco, etc) are treated as good friends, as long as they target vermin or reptiles.
** Asmodeus is a predator; he goes around eating animals that are smaller and weaker than him so he can survive. [[FridgeBrilliance Isn't that what snakes do in real life?]] He has this [[AGodAmI god complex]] viewing himself [[TheGrimReaper as a bringer of fate]]. He may be required to eat others to live, but he certainly isn't regretful of it.

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* DesignatedVillain: Generally speaking, anything that hunts the AlwaysLawfulGood characters is treated as a villain for that reason. Any sympathy or respect towards a creature's right to live tends to end at the "It eats us!" line, and there is no way a member of the typical victim species will perceive something like Asmodeus as anything short of pure evil. However, in the context of ''Redwall'' this comes as a bit of hypocrisy on the author's (and in a couple of cases even the characters') part, when similar unapologetic sapient-eaters (Stonehead, Aluco, etc) are treated as good friends, as long as they target vermin or reptiles.
** Asmodeus is a predator; he goes around eating animals that
reptiles. Granted when it comes to snake it's less predator and OmnicidalManiac since they are smaller hostile to everyone and weaker than him so he can survive. [[FridgeBrilliance Isn't that what snakes do in real life?]] He has this [[AGodAmI god complex]] viewing himself [[TheGrimReaper as a bringer of fate]]. He may unlike Captain Snow can't be required to eat others to live, but he certainly isn't regretful of it.reasoned with.
19th Oct '16 7:14:10 AM rufusluciusivan
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** Verdauga Greeneyes stands out among the other antagonists for averting AlwaysChaoticEvil and BlackAndWhiteMorality. Indeed, his PragmaticVillainy and hints of being a BenevolentBoss and a NobleDemon make him a rather unique foe in this serie. However, [[spoiler:he's quickly killed by his much more conventionally evil daughter [[CompleteMonster Tsarmina]], preventing us to see the heroes fight against an enemy that wasn't evil to the core for once]].
8th Oct '16 3:33:06 PM ArchTeryx
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** Vilaya from ''The Sable Quean'' leaps headlong over it when she [[spoiler:murders Flandor, an otter child, for attacking her and actually getting a solid blow in.]] WouldHurtAChild is what ''defines'' Vilaya.
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