History YMMV / Redwall

13th Nov '17 7:39:25 PM BossKey
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** Mostly residing in ''Triss.'' It is far easier to say that the only characters who ''aren't'' Scrappies are Plugg Firetail, Drufo, Shogg, the adders, and all of the MauveShirt Freebooters like Grubbage and Slitfang.

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** Mostly residing in ''Triss.'' It is far easier to say that the only characters who ''aren't'' Scrappies are Plugg Firetail, Drufo, Shogg, the adders, and all of the MauveShirt Freebooters like Grubbage and Slitfang. A breakdown of the Scrappies in this book and the flak directed at them: The Pure Ferrets (barring the late [[TooCoolToLive Sarengo]]) are {{Dirty Coward}}s that come off as pathetic even compared to other cowardly villains in the series, Triss is accused of being a boring MarySue, Scarum is a selfish, gluttonous jerk that never shuts up about food and [[TheMillstone is more of a hindrance than anything]], and Sagax has [[FlatCharacter no personality to speak of]].
29th Oct '17 9:42:02 PM ImperialMajestyXO
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** In ''Mattimeo'', General Ironbeak crosses it when he massacres the Sparra civilians in Warbeak Loft, most of them [[WouldHurtAChild very young]] or [[WouldHarmASenior very old]].

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** In ''Mattimeo'', General Ironbeak crosses it when he massacres the Sparra civilians in Warbeak Loft, most of them [[WouldHurtAChild very young]] or [[WouldHarmASenior very old]]. Of course, this is assuming he wasn't over the line already.
24th Sep '17 9:31:55 PM ImperialMajestyXO
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** In ''Mattimeo'', General Ironbeak crosses it when he massacres the Sparra civilians in Warbeak Loft, most of them [[WouldHurtAChild very young]] or [[WouldHarmASenior very old]].
24th Sep '17 11:19:37 AM Eggnogyum
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** Trimp from Legend of Luke is not well liked.
24th Sep '17 10:46:54 AM Eggnogyum
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** It's commonly agreed that the books took a dip in quality ''somewhere'' along the line. Exactly where that happened is a contested point among fans.
21st Sep '17 5:52:56 PM ImperialMajestyXO
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** The [[FanNickname Adder Triplets]] from the same book are also very popular, most likely for their HeroKiller status, for being far less annoying and far more badass compared to [[BigBad Princess]] [[SmugSnake Kurda]], [[NinjaPirateRobotZombie and for being three adders tied together]].

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** The [[FanNickname Adder Triplets]] from the same book are also very popular, most likely for their HeroKiller status, for being far less annoying and far more badass compared to [[BigBad [[DirtyCoward Princess]] [[SmugSnake Kurda]], [[NinjaPirateRobotZombie and for being three adders tied together]].
17th Sep '17 7:52:09 PM SpectralTime
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** Many fights between the protagonist and the BigBad are a CurbStompBattle. It is far easier to list the major villains who ''weren't'' this and put up a good fight or managed to take someone with them in the final battle: Cluny the Scourge, Queen Tsarmina, Ublaz "Mad-Eyes", Ferahgo the Assassin, Ungatt Trunn, Gulo the Savage, Zwilt the Shade, and a couple of vipers. Everyone else were only dangerous as army commanders at best.

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** Many fights between the protagonist and the BigBad are a CurbStompBattle. It is far easier to list the major villains who ''weren't'' this and put up a good fight or managed to take someone with them in the final battle: Cluny the Scourge, Queen Tsarmina, Ublaz "Mad-Eyes", Ferahgo the Assassin, Ungatt Trunn, Gulo the Savage, Zwilt the Shade, and a couple of vipers. Everyone else were only dangerous as army commanders at best.
17th Sep '17 7:48:12 PM SpectralTime
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** Many fights between the protagonist and the BigBad are a CurbStompBattle. It is far easier to list the major villains who ''weren't'' this and put up a good fight or managed to take someone with them in the final battle: Cluny the Scourge, Queen Tsarmina, Ferahgo the Assassin, Ungatt Trunn, Gulo the Savage, Zwilt the Shade, and a couple of vipers. Everyone else were only dangerous as army commanders at best.

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** Many fights between the protagonist and the BigBad are a CurbStompBattle. It is far easier to list the major villains who ''weren't'' this and put up a good fight or managed to take someone with them in the final battle: Cluny the Scourge, Queen Tsarmina, Ublaz "Mad-Eyes", Ferahgo the Assassin, Ungatt Trunn, Gulo the Savage, Zwilt the Shade, and a couple of vipers. Everyone else were only dangerous as army commanders at best.
17th Sep '17 6:41:57 PM Nakayama90
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* AuthorExistenceFailure: Due to a heart attack.



* NamesTheSame:
** [[Series/{{Blackadder}} Friar Bellows]] in ''Salamandastron''. Probably not intentional.
** And in a slightly different version of this, there is a RealLife Abbey in France called "Cluny Abbey". When Brian Jacques heard about that, he said he thought it "quite spooky".



** Gliv goes from garden-variety mook to this in just one line: "He was my mate. [[EvenEvilHasLovedOnes I loved him.]]" The fact that she goes from serving Zwilt to plotting against him - even going as far as to [[spoiler:nurse Vilaya back to health after Zwilt stabs her]] - shows just how hard she's taking the loss of her other half. It's made all the worse when [[spoiler:Vilaya kills her for [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness having served her purpose]]]] and the narration briefly switches to Gliv's perspective as she's dying.
* WriteWhoYouKnow: WordOfGod is that Jacques based Gonff the Mousethief on his younger self, and Constance the badger was based on his grandmother. If that's true, Jacques must have had an ''impressively'' [[NeverMessWithGranny badass grandmother]]...

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** Gliv goes from garden-variety mook to this in just one line: "He was my mate. [[EvenEvilHasLovedOnes I loved him.]]" The fact that she goes from serving Zwilt to plotting against him - even going as far as to [[spoiler:nurse Vilaya back to health after Zwilt stabs her]] - shows just how hard she's taking the loss of her other half. It's made all the worse when [[spoiler:Vilaya kills her for [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness having served her purpose]]]] and the narration briefly switches to Gliv's perspective as she's dying.
* WriteWhoYouKnow: WordOfGod is that Jacques based Gonff the Mousethief on his younger self, and Constance the badger was based on his grandmother. If that's true, Jacques must have had an ''impressively'' [[NeverMessWithGranny badass grandmother]]...
dying.
6th Sep '17 12:53:43 AM Silverblade2
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* Sequelitis: ''Mattimeo'', one of the few direct sequels in the series (in particular acting as a sequel to the original ''Redwall'', often seen as a case of FirstInstallmentWins), is often seen as one of the lesser books, due to an inconsistent narrative and a good deal of anti-climax.

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* Sequelitis: {{Sequelitis}}: ''Mattimeo'', one of the few direct sequels in the series (in particular acting as a sequel to the original ''Redwall'', often seen as a case of FirstInstallmentWins), is often seen as one of the lesser books, due to an inconsistent narrative and a good deal of anti-climax.
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