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[[folder: Season 11]]
* AwesomeMusic: Trocadero really gave Jeff Williams a run for his money this season, and the song that appears during the credits "Contact" really brings home the emotional core of this season.
* EvilIsCool: Locus.
* HarsherInHindsight: Church and Carolina's decision not to say goodbye at the end of season ten to make it so they're "just not here right now" was initially portrayed as heartwarming, but it turns out Tucker and Caboose are both hurt by Church's disappearance.
* LadyMondegreen: The new villain's deep voice contributed to some fan confusion regarding whether his name was Locus or Locust. Word of God is that [[http://rootbeerflotsam.tumblr.com/post/60131881562/so-uh-in-reference-to-the-new-episode-is-the-new it is indeed Locus.]]
* MoralEventHorizon: Locus crosses this when he murders Doc and Donut's pilot early on. If he didn't cross it then, him [[spoiler:razing the canyon]] could qualify.
* TookALevelInJerkass: Half the cast, likely due to the stress of the situation. To recap:
** Simmons' [[SuperOCD many neuroses]] cause him to have a near-breakdown when stuck sharing a room with Grif, which leads to increasingly surly behavior on his part.
** Sarge is showing signs of falling into true senility, concerned more with proper base decor and watching TV than with their survival.
** Wash was always rather [[DeadpanSnarker snarky]], but the situation has led to him becoming a real DrillSergeantNasty and putting the Blues through a [[TrainingFromHell lethal training regimen]]. He explain this in one episode, in an apology, as [[ThePeterPrinciple he isn't really that good at being a leader, since that was never his job as a Freelancer]].
** Tucker was always giving out rude comments, but his utterly disrespectful behavior towards Wash only serves to worsen the situation. This is justified in the same episode as Washington's behavior:
--->'''Tucker:''' I don't want to do this! [[WhatTheHellHero Did you ever think of that?]] All I wanna do is stand around and talk to my friend. [[JerkassWoobie But he's gone now and all I have is you!]]
** The exceptions are Grif and Caboose, who seem fairly content with the situation for their [[LazyBum own]] [[CloudCuckooLander reasons]].
** This is ironically inverted with [[spoiler: [[LegacyCharacter Lopez Dos.0]]]] who is [[TookALevelInKindness much nicer]] than his [[ServileSnarker predecessor]].
*** [[spoiler: Until he ''finally'' loses patience, and actively tries to murder the Blood Gulchers upon uploading himself into the Reds' Mantis.]]
* WhatAnIdiot: [[spoiler: [[TheDitz Donut]] hears a desperate distress signal from his old friends and what does he do? Grabs [[WorstAid Doc]], hires a ship, miraculously finds where the Blood Gulch Crew ended up, and then [[TooDumbToLive sends the pilot away]].]] The Blood Gulch Crew has an [[UnstoppableRage appropriately]] [[NoHoldsBarredBeatdown exasperated]] response.
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[[folder: Season 12]]
* AwesomeEgo: Felix. He's got a bit of an ego, but there's no denying he's badass and many fans love him. [[spoiler:The fact that he's actually an evil bastard working with Locus to kill the population of Chorus does little to minimize this.]]
* BadassDecay: While [[spoiler:Carolina's]] reappearance is [[spoiler:a BigDamnHeroes moment, her performance is much less impressive than what fans are used to seeing from her (this may partially be due to SpecialEffectFailure causing her fight to seem clunky), and she gets stabbed in the leg by Felix, severely hindering her fighting ability for the rest of the season]]. The next episode [[spoiler:has her have a bit of difficulty with a trio of unnamed mooks]]. A JustifiedTrope, since [[spoiler:[[WorfHadTheFlu she has been having]] BadDreams about Sigma]].
* BaseBreaker: Felix; many fans think he's a Mary Sue, others find him fun and entertaining. It depends on how you feel about the most badass member of the Resistance being voiced by the writer of the season, who would, by extension, be responsible for the perceived badassery of him. [[spoiler: [[WhamEpisode Considering Episode 10,]] [[IntendedAudienceReaction this may have been intentional.]] ]]
* BrokenAesop: When listing off what they can do without Church/Epsilon in Episode 7, the crew lists off the defeat of C.T. and The Meta among them. Except... C.T. was about to kill Tucker when Epsilon floated up and killed C.T. directly. So, they didn't do that without his help.
** Of course, Tucker did manage to keep the entire raiding party from getting into the temple for months, in a display so badass he was apparently enough of a threat C.T. had a severe OhCrap the second the temple doors opened.
* CargoShip: [[MoneyFetish Felix x Money]] is a popular one within the fanbase, particularly after it was revealed that [[spoiler:Felix was willing to drop a nuke on civilians if it meant he could get money out of it.]]
* EnsembleDarkhorse:
** Every named lieutenant in the New Republic army got instantly popular after the first episode. The most popular by far seems to be Jensen; being the first prominent female character who wasn't constantly pissed (besides Sheila/FILSS and Sister, at least, and not counting Kimball who was introduced first but [[ReasonableAuthorityFigure her characterization]] wasn't clear until after Jensen), being incredibly {{Adorkable}}, and voiced by a popular Rooster Teeth personality all probably help with that.
** On the flip side we have Emily Grey who's with the [[spoiler: Federal Army of Chorus]] who is already steadily gaining popularity. Doyle seems to be exempt from this, though.
* EvilIsCool: Locus, once more, but also [[spoiler:Felix]], whose reveal as a villain suddenly caused his popularity to skyrocket.
* HarsherInHindsight:
** In the trailer, Tucker's response to Kimball wondering how they'll win the war if they can't even rescue a few prisoners is, "We'll wing it." [[spoiler:His attempts at winging it in his first mission end up getting most of his men killed.]]
** Tucker leaves Pamolo as a look-out because he believes having him on the field will get everyone killed, an assessment Pamolo agrees with. [[spoiler:By episode's end, Tucker's deviation from the plan has led to the deaths of his other two men.]]
** [[spoiler: Every interaction with Felix prior to episode 10 now that he's revealed to be a bad guy. Felix's friendly antics in Season 11, even going so far to take a bullet for the team? Turns out he was just playing them, pretending to be on their side to gather intel for his employers. His efforts to make Tucker a better soldier and leader also take on a darker turn when it's revealed he never believed in the rebels' position and was working with Locus the whole time.]]
** [[spoiler:Control is actually the Chairman, who is also the CEO of Charon Industries, the "Insurrection" fought in seasons 9 and 10. After that reveal, it makes you question every action he does in the series, but especially his conversations with the Director and sending Wash to find the Epsilon unit.]]
* LesYay: Doctor Grey calling [[spoiler: Carolina]] "sweetie" and very...''eagerly'' offering to psychoanalyze her.
* LoveToHate: [[spoiler:Felix, [[WhamEpisode after episode 10]]. Though he is a sociopathic, hypocritical, jerkass of a villain, it's hard not to admire how manipulative he is.]]
* MagnificentBastard:
** [[spoiler: Both Locus and Felix are revealed to have been manipulating the entire planet's population by PlayingBothSides against each other. While Felix represents the charismatic ManipulativeBastard side of the trope, Locus is the calculating GenreSavvy [[TheChessmaster Chessmaster]].]]
** [[spoiler: Their boss, Control, is the one giving them the commands in the first place. In episode 12, they tell Locus and Felix to take advantage of the situation that the Reds and Blues are missing and report their deaths to escalate the conflict on Chorus.]] It later turns out that [[spoiler:he's really Malcolm Hargrove, aka the Chairman]].
** Tucker, of all people, actually shows himself to be one in episode 19 with [[spoiler:the reveal that the absolutely ''brilliant'' plan that involved multiple layers of XanatosGambit, BatmanGambit, ObfuscatingStupidity and KansasCityShuffle was all his idea]].
* MoralEventHorizon:
** [[spoiler:Felix]] crosses it when [[spoiler:it is revealed that he and Locus had stirred up the CivilWar on the planet Chorus to kill everyone on the planet.]] Not only that, [[spoiler: while his boss, Control, (or at least whatever third party Control is a part of) wants everyone on Chorus dead to get the alien technology on the planet, Felix seems to go along purely just so he can kill people, even saying he would rather nuke the planet from orbit than start a CivilWar. Plus his psychopathic tendencies, Felix makes Locus look ''tame'' in comparison.]]
*** ForTheEvulz motivation confirmed in episode 18 when [[spoiler: he brags that the feeling that he's outsmarted both sides]] means more to the psychopath than any amount of money.
** [[spoiler:Control]] would appear to have crossed it from the very beginning, considering [[spoiler:his plan involves killing off an entire population]], but TheReveal that [[spoiler:his identity is Malcolm Hargrove, aka the Chairman]], makes this worse [[spoiler:when you take his prior actions into account]].
* OneSceneWonder: The 'Why Snowman?' guy is super popular with a lot of the fandom.
* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: [[spoiler:Felix wasn't exactly TheScrappy, but somewhat of a BaseBreaker, both parties either liking him or hating him because of his {{Badass}} nature. TheReveal that he's a sadistic bastard who played off the New Republic was ''very'' well received by everyone due to showing that the {{Badass}} that the heroes looked up to was planning to kill them.]]
* SpecialEffectsFailure: This season's fight scenes weren't animated by Monty like they used to be, with two different animators taking over and using a different programming than Monty. Thus, the CGI is more jarring than usual.
** [[spoiler:Carolina]] vs [[spoiler:Felix]] was a bit clunky, compared to the amazing fist fights seen in their Halo 3 model CG. It seems possible this particular scene was added last minute, since all of [[spoiler:Felix's]] actions during [[spoiler:his rant]] were incredibly smooth.
** In the following episode, [[spoiler:Carolina's]] Halo 3 model shows some rather jarring shading and texture issues, especially when contrasted by the excellent models of the [[spoiler:security troopers she fights]].
** The scene where [[spoiler:Wash gives Caboose Freckles back]] really sticks out from the scenes immediately before and after it.
* UncannyValley: [[spoiler:The Chairman]] hasn't gotten much love for [[spoiler:his]] full body model. Apparently, [[spoiler:his]] model was done at the last minute, which might explain this.
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[[folder: Season 11]]
* AwesomeMusic: Trocadero really gave Jeff Williams a run for his money this season, and the song that appears during the credits "Contact" really brings home the emotional core of this season.
* EvilIsCool: Locus.
* HarsherInHindsight: Church and Carolina's decision not to say goodbye at the end of season ten to make it so they're "just not here right now" was initially portrayed as heartwarming, but it turns out Tucker and Caboose are both hurt by Church's disappearance.
* LadyMondegreen: The new villain's deep voice contributed to some fan confusion regarding whether his name was Locus or Locust. Word of God is that [[http://rootbeerflotsam.tumblr.com/post/60131881562/so-uh-in-reference-to-the-new-episode-is-the-new it is indeed Locus.]]
* MoralEventHorizon: Locus crosses this when he murders Doc and Donut's pilot early on. If he didn't cross it then, him [[spoiler:razing the canyon]] could qualify.
* TookALevelInJerkass: Half the cast, likely due to the stress of the situation. To recap:
** Simmons' [[SuperOCD many neuroses]] cause him to have a near-breakdown when stuck sharing a room with Grif, which leads to increasingly surly behavior on his part.
** Sarge is showing signs of falling into true senility, concerned more with proper base decor and watching TV than with their survival.
** Wash was always rather [[DeadpanSnarker snarky]], but the situation has led to him becoming a real DrillSergeantNasty and putting the Blues through a [[TrainingFromHell lethal training regimen]]. He explain this in one episode, in an apology, as [[ThePeterPrinciple he isn't really that good at being a leader, since that was never his job as a Freelancer]].
** Tucker was always giving out rude comments, but his utterly disrespectful behavior towards Wash only serves to worsen the situation. This is justified in the same episode as Washington's behavior:
--->'''Tucker:''' I don't want to do this! [[WhatTheHellHero Did you ever think of that?]] All I wanna do is stand around and talk to my friend. [[JerkassWoobie But he's gone now and all I have is you!]]
** The exceptions are Grif and Caboose, who seem fairly content with the situation for their [[LazyBum own]] [[CloudCuckooLander reasons]].
** This is ironically inverted with [[spoiler: [[LegacyCharacter Lopez Dos.0]]]] who is [[TookALevelInKindness much nicer]] than his [[ServileSnarker predecessor]].
*** [[spoiler: Until he ''finally'' loses patience, and actively tries to murder the Blood Gulchers upon uploading himself into the Reds' Mantis.]]
* WhatAnIdiot: [[spoiler: [[TheDitz Donut]] hears a desperate distress signal from his old friends and what does he do? Grabs [[WorstAid Doc]], hires a ship, miraculously finds where the Blood Gulch Crew ended up, and then [[TooDumbToLive sends the pilot away]].]] The Blood Gulch Crew has an [[UnstoppableRage appropriately]] [[NoHoldsBarredBeatdown exasperated]] response.
[[/folder]]

[[folder: Season 12]]
* AwesomeEgo: Felix. He's got a bit of an ego, but there's no denying he's badass and many fans love him. [[spoiler:The fact that he's actually an evil bastard working with Locus to kill the population of Chorus does little to minimize this.]]
* BadassDecay: While [[spoiler:Carolina's]] reappearance is [[spoiler:a BigDamnHeroes moment, her performance is much less impressive than what fans are used to seeing from her (this may partially be due to SpecialEffectFailure causing her fight to seem clunky), and she gets stabbed in the leg by Felix, severely hindering her fighting ability for the rest of the season]]. The next episode [[spoiler:has her have a bit of difficulty with a trio of unnamed mooks]]. A JustifiedTrope, since [[spoiler:[[WorfHadTheFlu she has been having]] BadDreams about Sigma]].
* BaseBreaker: Felix; many fans think he's a Mary Sue, others find him fun and entertaining. It depends on how you feel about the most badass member of the Resistance being voiced by the writer of the season, who would, by extension, be responsible for the perceived badassery of him. [[spoiler: [[WhamEpisode Considering Episode 10,]] [[IntendedAudienceReaction this may have been intentional.]] ]]
* BrokenAesop: When listing off what they can do without Church/Epsilon in Episode 7, the crew lists off the defeat of C.T. and The Meta among them. Except... C.T. was about to kill Tucker when Epsilon floated up and killed C.T. directly. So, they didn't do that without his help.
** Of course, Tucker did manage to keep the entire raiding party from getting into the temple for months, in a display so badass he was apparently enough of a threat C.T. had a severe OhCrap the second the temple doors opened.
* CargoShip: [[MoneyFetish Felix x Money]] is a popular one within the fanbase, particularly after it was revealed that [[spoiler:Felix was willing to drop a nuke on civilians if it meant he could get money out of it.]]
* EnsembleDarkhorse:
** Every named lieutenant in the New Republic army got instantly popular after the first episode. The most popular by far seems to be Jensen; being the first prominent female character who wasn't constantly pissed (besides Sheila/FILSS and Sister, at least, and not counting Kimball who was introduced first but [[ReasonableAuthorityFigure her characterization]] wasn't clear until after Jensen), being incredibly {{Adorkable}}, and voiced by a popular Rooster Teeth personality all probably help with that.
** On the flip side we have Emily Grey who's with the [[spoiler: Federal Army of Chorus]] who is already steadily gaining popularity. Doyle seems to be exempt from this, though.
* EvilIsCool: Locus, once more, but also [[spoiler:Felix]], whose reveal as a villain suddenly caused his popularity to skyrocket.
* HarsherInHindsight:
** In the trailer, Tucker's response to Kimball wondering how they'll win the war if they can't even rescue a few prisoners is, "We'll wing it." [[spoiler:His attempts at winging it in his first mission end up getting most of his men killed.]]
** Tucker leaves Pamolo as a look-out because he believes having him on the field will get everyone killed, an assessment Pamolo agrees with. [[spoiler:By episode's end, Tucker's deviation from the plan has led to the deaths of his other two men.]]
** [[spoiler: Every interaction with Felix prior to episode 10 now that he's revealed to be a bad guy. Felix's friendly antics in Season 11, even going so far to take a bullet for the team? Turns out he was just playing them, pretending to be on their side to gather intel for his employers. His efforts to make Tucker a better soldier and leader also take on a darker turn when it's revealed he never believed in the rebels' position and was working with Locus the whole time.]]
** [[spoiler:Control is actually the Chairman, who is also the CEO of Charon Industries, the "Insurrection" fought in seasons 9 and 10. After that reveal, it makes you question every action he does in the series, but especially his conversations with the Director and sending Wash to find the Epsilon unit.]]
* LesYay: Doctor Grey calling [[spoiler: Carolina]] "sweetie" and very...''eagerly'' offering to psychoanalyze her.
* LoveToHate: [[spoiler:Felix, [[WhamEpisode after episode 10]]. Though he is a sociopathic, hypocritical, jerkass of a villain, it's hard not to admire how manipulative he is.]]
* MagnificentBastard:
** [[spoiler: Both Locus and Felix are revealed to have been manipulating the entire planet's population by PlayingBothSides against each other. While Felix represents the charismatic ManipulativeBastard side of the trope, Locus is the calculating GenreSavvy [[TheChessmaster Chessmaster]].]]
** [[spoiler: Their boss, Control, is the one giving them the commands in the first place. In episode 12, they tell Locus and Felix to take advantage of the situation that the Reds and Blues are missing and report their deaths to escalate the conflict on Chorus.]] It later turns out that [[spoiler:he's really Malcolm Hargrove, aka the Chairman]].
** Tucker, of all people, actually shows himself to be one in episode 19 with [[spoiler:the reveal that the absolutely ''brilliant'' plan that involved multiple layers of XanatosGambit, BatmanGambit, ObfuscatingStupidity and KansasCityShuffle was all his idea]].
* MoralEventHorizon:
** [[spoiler:Felix]] crosses it when [[spoiler:it is revealed that he and Locus had stirred up the CivilWar on the planet Chorus to kill everyone on the planet.]] Not only that, [[spoiler: while his boss, Control, (or at least whatever third party Control is a part of) wants everyone on Chorus dead to get the alien technology on the planet, Felix seems to go along purely just so he can kill people, even saying he would rather nuke the planet from orbit than start a CivilWar. Plus his psychopathic tendencies, Felix makes Locus look ''tame'' in comparison.]]
*** ForTheEvulz motivation confirmed in episode 18 when [[spoiler: he brags that the feeling that he's outsmarted both sides]] means more to the psychopath than any amount of money.
** [[spoiler:Control]] would appear to have crossed it from the very beginning, considering [[spoiler:his plan involves killing off an entire population]], but TheReveal that [[spoiler:his identity is Malcolm Hargrove, aka the Chairman]], makes this worse [[spoiler:when you take his prior actions into account]].
* OneSceneWonder: The 'Why Snowman?' guy is super popular with a lot of the fandom.
* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: [[spoiler:Felix wasn't exactly TheScrappy, but somewhat of a BaseBreaker, both parties either liking him or hating him because of his {{Badass}} nature. TheReveal that he's a sadistic bastard who played off the New Republic was ''very'' well received by everyone due to showing that the {{Badass}} that the heroes looked up to was planning to kill them.]]
* SpecialEffectsFailure: This season's fight scenes weren't animated by Monty like they used to be, with two different animators taking over and using a different programming than Monty. Thus, the CGI is more jarring than usual.
** [[spoiler:Carolina]] vs [[spoiler:Felix]] was a bit clunky, compared to the amazing fist fights seen in their Halo 3 model CG. It seems possible this particular scene was added last minute, since all of [[spoiler:Felix's]] actions during [[spoiler:his rant]] were incredibly smooth.
** In the following episode, [[spoiler:Carolina's]] Halo 3 model shows some rather jarring shading and texture issues, especially when contrasted by the excellent models of the [[spoiler:security troopers she fights]].
** The scene where [[spoiler:Wash gives Caboose Freckles back]] really sticks out from the scenes immediately before and after it.
* UncannyValley: [[spoiler:The Chairman]] hasn't gotten much love for [[spoiler:his]] full body model. Apparently, [[spoiler:his]] model was done at the last minute, which might explain this.
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* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: [[spoiler:Felix wasn't exactly TheScrappy, but somewhat of a BaseBreaker, both parties either liking him or hating him because of his {{Badass}} nature. TheReveal that he's a sadistic bastard who played off the New Republic was ''very'' well received by everyone due to showing taht the {{Badass}} that the heroes looked up to was planning to kill them.]]

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* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: [[spoiler:Felix wasn't exactly TheScrappy, but somewhat of a BaseBreaker, both parties either liking him or hating him because of his {{Badass}} nature. TheReveal that he's a sadistic bastard who played off the New Republic was ''very'' well received by everyone due to showing taht that the {{Badass}} that the heroes looked up to was planning to kill them.]]
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* BadassDecay: While [[spoiler:Carolina's]] reappearance is [[spoiler:a BigDamnHeroes moment, her performance is much less impressive than what fans are used to seeing from her (this may partially be due to SpecialEffectFailure causing her fight to seem clunky)]], and she gets stabbed in the leg by Felix, severely hindering her fighting ability for the rest of the season]. The next episode [[spoiler:has her have a bit of difficulty with a trio of unnamed mooks]]. A JustifiedTrope, since [[spoiler:[[WorfHadTheFlu she has been having]] BadDreams about Sigma]].

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* BadassDecay: While [[spoiler:Carolina's]] reappearance is [[spoiler:a BigDamnHeroes moment, her performance is much less impressive than what fans are used to seeing from her (this may partially be due to SpecialEffectFailure causing her fight to seem clunky)]], clunky), and she gets stabbed in the leg by Felix, severely hindering her fighting ability for the rest of the season].season]]. The next episode [[spoiler:has her have a bit of difficulty with a trio of unnamed mooks]]. A JustifiedTrope, since [[spoiler:[[WorfHadTheFlu she has been having]] BadDreams about Sigma]].

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