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* OnceOriginalNowCommon: Some modern readers have decried Dolarhyde, a [[AxeCrazy vicious psychopath who does the most horrible things possible]] to the most undeserving people possible but [[FreudianExcuse has a traumatic childhood that makes him sympathetic]], as a cliche. Clearly they're unaware of how groundbreaking this was at the time. Graham even sums it up succinctly: "As a child, I weep for him. As a man, he's irredeemable." What happened to Dolarhyde was tragic, but right now he's a maniac who needs to be stopped.



* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: Some modern readers have decried Dolarhyde, a [[AxeCrazy vicious psychopath who does the most horrible things possible]] to the most undeserving people possible but [[FreudianExcuse has a traumatic childhood that makes him sympathetic]], as a cliche. Clearly they're unaware of how groundbreaking this was at the time. Graham even sums it up succinctly: "As a child, I weep for him. As a man, he's irredeemable." What happened to Dolarhyde was tragic, but right now he's a maniac who needs to be stopped.
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* NightmareFuel: Was there really any doubt? The descriptions of how Dolarhyde entered his victims' houses and killed them one by one is chilling.
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* HilariousInHindsight: The climax in ''Film/RushHour 2'', Creator/BrettRatner's previous outing, takes place at the BigBad's [[VivaLasVegas Vegas]] casino. The name: The Red Dragon.
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* WTHCostumingDepartment: Hannibal Lecter's ponytail look in the early scenes of the 2002 movie was met with derision by a substantial part of the audience, who considered it to be improperly tacky for such a refined character. Fortunately, once the story leaps forward, Dr. Lecter gets a more fitting haircut.
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** The particularly... [[BigLippedAlligatorMoment Odd]] detail of Reba... Ahem, ''petting'' the tiger while she's petting it. Despite being very strange, it effectively parallels the blend of danger and sensuality that her relationship with Dolarhyde has, and is one of the more notable things people remember from the film.

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** The particularly... particularly [[BigLippedAlligatorMoment Odd]] odd]] detail of Reba... Ahem, ''petting'' the tiger while she's petting it. Despite being very strange, it effectively parallels the blend of danger and sensuality that her relationship with Dolarhyde has, and is one of the more notable things people remember from the film.
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** The particularly... [[BigLippedAlligatorMoment Odd]] detail of Reba... Ahem, ''petting'' the tiger while she's petting it. Despite being very strange, it effectively parallels the blend of danger and sensuality that her relationship with Dolarhyde has, and is one of the more notable things people remember from the film.
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** In the book there's Dolarhyde's introduction in which he enjoys a home movie of one of his killings [[ADateWithRosiePalms just a little too much]].

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** In the book there's Dolarhyde's introduction in which he enjoys a home movie of one of his killings [[ADateWithRosiePalms just a little too much]].much.
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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Hannibal Lecter. He's so popular that the ''Red Dragon'' film widely expanded his role.

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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Hannibal Lecter. It's easy to forget that he only appears in a handful of pages in the original novel. He's so popular that the ''Red Dragon'' film widely expanded his role.

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* TheWoobie: Reba [=McClane=], particularly as played by Creator/EmilyWatson.
** Also Francis Dolarhyde as a little boy, who was mercilessly abused by his grandmother. Graham even makes a note of how much his heart goes out for the boy Francis once was, but that the same cannot be said of the man he grew up to be, who's a WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds ''at best.''

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Reba [=McClane=], particularly as played by Creator/EmilyWatson.
** Also Francis Dolarhyde as a little boy, who was mercilessly abused by his grandmother. Graham even makes a note of how much his heart goes out for the boy Francis once was, but that the same cannot be said of the man he grew up to be, who's a WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds ''at best.''''
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* * AluminumChristmasTrees: "The Great Red Dragon and the Woman Clothed In Sun" is a real painting, one in a series painted by Creator/WilliamBlake. It is currently housed in the Brooklyn Museum.

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* * AluminumChristmasTrees: "The Great Red Dragon and the Woman Clothed In Sun" is a real painting, one in a series painted by Creator/WilliamBlake. It is currently housed in the Brooklyn Museum.
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* * AluminumChristmasTrees: "The Great Red Dragon and the Woman Clothed In Sun" is a real painting, one in a series painted by Creator/WilliamBlake. It is currently housed in the Brooklyn Museum.
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* FirstInstalmentWins: Widely agreed to be the equal-best of the four Hannibal Lecter novels, alongside its sequel.
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* UnintentionalPeriodPiece: The plot hinges on Dolarhyde's employment at a film processing facility. He discovers his victims via the home movies they send in for processing and uses the home movies to learn the layouts of the home and any obstacles in his way. His job quickly became obsolete with the rise of camcorders just a few years later, and nowadays the ubiquity of smartphones and video editing software makes his job next-to-nonfunctional. The 2002 film adaptation pushed him slightly ahead of his literary counterpart: in the book he processes film for use in projectors, while in the movie he edits multiple home videotapes onto one tape. Of note is that the original book was set in 1979, while both film adaptations shoot for a mid-80's setting (which was contemporary for ''Manhunter'', but in the 2002 film's case is done to preserve continuity with ''Literature/TheSilenceOfTheLambs''; the latter case is an AvertedTrope though, given that the 2002 film is an ''intentional'' period piece).
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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Hannibal Lecter. He's so popular that the Red Dragon film widely expanded his role.

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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Hannibal Lecter. He's so popular that the Red Dragon ''Red Dragon'' film widely expanded his role.
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* HilariousInHindsight: Two major plot points in ''Film/RushHour 2'', Creator/BrettRatner's previous outing, take place on a yacht and the BigBad's namesake [[VivaLasVegas Vegas]] casino. The name: ''Red Dragon''.

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* HilariousInHindsight: Two major plot points The climax in ''Film/RushHour 2'', Creator/BrettRatner's previous outing, take takes place on a yacht and at the BigBad's namesake [[VivaLasVegas Vegas]] casino. The name: ''Red Dragon''.The Red Dragon.

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** The recording of Lounds forced to deliver Dollarhyde's message is the point where the investigators realize that they've been underestimating their unsub. Tooth Fairy? Who's that?

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** The recording of Lounds forced to deliver Dollarhyde's Dolarhyde's message is the point where the investigators realize that they've been underestimating their unsub. Tooth Fairy? Who's that?


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** [[spoiler:Will's quick wit using what he learned about Dolarhyde's youth to save Josh, whom Dolarhyde is holding at shardpoint, by "scolding" him have Dolarhyde enraged enough to attack Will instead.]]


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* HilariousInHindsight: Two major plot points in ''Film/RushHour 2'', Creator/BrettRatner's previous outing, take place on a yacht and the BigBad's namesake [[VivaLasVegas Vegas]] casino. The name: ''Red Dragon''.
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* BrokenBase: ''Manhunter'' (1986) vs ''Red Dragon'' (2002); which is better? While critical consensus leans sharply in favor of ''Manhunter'' (featuring a 92% approval rating on Rotten Tomatoes compared to ''Red Dragon''[='s=] 68%), the audience scores on Rotten Tomatoes and viewer ratings on IMDB for both films are essentially equal, so it's definitely a case where it's a matter of opinion varying from person to person.

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* BrokenBase: ''Manhunter'' (1986) vs ''Red Dragon'' (2002); which is better? While critical consensus leans sharply in favor of ''Manhunter'' (featuring a 92% approval rating on Rotten Tomatoes compared to ''Red Dragon''[='s=] 68%), the audience scores on Rotten Tomatoes and viewer ratings on IMDB Website/IMDb for both films are essentially equal, equal (7.2/10, though ''Red Dragon'' has nearly four times as many votes), so it's definitely a case where it's a matter of opinion varying from person to person.
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* RetroactiveRecognition: In the 2002 film, the doctor at the zoo is played by an uncredited James "Dr. Richard Webber of ''Series/GreysAnatomy''" Pickens Jr.
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* BrokenBase: ''Manhunter'' (1986) vs ''Red Dragon'' (2002); which is better? The audience scores on Rotten Tomatoes and viewer ratings on IMDB for both films are essentially equal, so it's definitely a case where it's a matter of opinion varying from person to person.

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* BrokenBase: ''Manhunter'' (1986) vs ''Red Dragon'' (2002); which is better? The While critical consensus leans sharply in favor of ''Manhunter'' (featuring a 92% approval rating on Rotten Tomatoes compared to ''Red Dragon''[='s=] 68%), the audience scores on Rotten Tomatoes and viewer ratings on IMDB for both films are essentially equal, so it's definitely a case where it's a matter of opinion varying from person to person.



* SurprisinglyImprovedSequel: This faired better with critics and audiences than ''Literature/{{Hannibal}}''.

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* SurprisinglyImprovedSequel: This faired The 2002 film fared better with critics and audiences than ''Literature/{{Hannibal}}''.''Literature/{{Hannibal}}''; the fact that the source book was already well-regarded and already had [[Film/{{Manhunter}} another cult favorite adaptation]] nearly 20 years earlier likely helped.

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* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: Some modern readers have decried Dolarhyde, a [[AxeCrazy vicious psychopath who does the most horrible things possible]] to the most undeserving people possible but [[FreudianExcuse has a traumatic childhood that makes him sympathetic]], as a cliche. Clearly they're unaware of how groundbreaking this was at the time.
** Graham even sums it up succinctly: "As a child, I weep for him. As a man, he's irredeemable." What happened to Dolarhyde was tragic, but right now he's a maniac who needs to be stopped.

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* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: Some modern readers have decried Dolarhyde, a [[AxeCrazy vicious psychopath who does the most horrible things possible]] to the most undeserving people possible but [[FreudianExcuse has a traumatic childhood that makes him sympathetic]], as a cliche. Clearly they're unaware of how groundbreaking this was at the time.
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time. Graham even sums it up succinctly: "As a child, I weep for him. As a man, he's irredeemable." What happened to Dolarhyde was tragic, but right now he's a maniac who needs to be stopped.
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* TearJerker: There are quite a few though this is unsurprising for a book dedicating a lot of pages to talking about the victims of horrible deaths and contemplating over their lives.
** Though Freddy Lounds was a major [[JerkAss jerkass]] his death still tugs at the heartstrings. His lover, Wendy stays with him until he dies and tries to comfort him the best she can.
--->''Wendy of Wendy City held Lounds's blackened claw and looked straight at him. He stirred once, a little before noon.''
--->''"It's gonna be just fine, Roscoe," she said. "We'll have us some high old times."''
--->''Lounds stirred again and died.''
** Dolarhyde's backstory and mental illness. Born disfigured, horribly abused as a child and now suffering from major delusions of being possessed by some otherwordly monster. His interactions from Reba show that were it not for his mental illness he could have been a normal, kind and loving man.

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* SpoiledByTheFormat: When [[spoiler:Dolarhyde apparently commits suicide]], there's still a good chunk of pages left, and unlike the sequel there's no danger of Lecter's escape. Also doubles as a HopeSpot.



* SpoiledByTheFormat: When [[spoiler:Dolarhyde apparently commits suicide]], there's still a good chunk of pages left, and unlike the sequel there's no danger of Lecter's escape. Also doubles as a HopeSpot.

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