History YMMV / PokemonRedAndBlue

5th Dec '16 12:12:27 PM WaxingName
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* ScrappyLevel: The Sevii Islands, which are often regarded as a FillerArc that offers very little to do and only exists to show off a couple new features that weren't in the originals. Not only that, but completing the Sevii Islands post-game is ''required if you want to enter the Cerulean Cave and get Mewtwo'', as opposed to the original where you just simply had to beat the Elite Four.

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* ScrappyLevel: The Sevii Islands, which are often regarded as a FillerArc that offers very little to do and only exists to show off a couple new features that weren't in the originals. Not only that, but completing the Sevii Islands post-game is ''required if you want to enter the Cerulean Cave and get Mewtwo'', as opposed to the original where you just simply had to beat the Elite Four. Many wanted to explore a pre-GSC Johto instead.
26th Nov '16 11:11:19 AM MayIncon
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* BaseBreakingCharacter: Just like Lyra from ''[=HeartGold=] [=SoulSilver=]'', Leaf suffers from this. Don't get into a conversation on whether or not she exists in the game universe.

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* BaseBreakingCharacter: Just like Lyra from ''[=HeartGold=] [=SoulSilver=]'', Leaf suffers from this.this-although instead because of replacing a pre-existing character, Leaf is divisive due to being ignored by the developers after FRLG. Don't get into a conversation on whether or not she exists in the game universe.
26th Nov '16 10:18:31 AM SheldonDinkleburg
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** Genwunner views aside, Red and Blue are feature-barren, plotless, and unbalanced compared to later games in the franchise. That said, they (well, technically Red and Green in Japan) started an international phenomenon.

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** Genwunner views aside, Red and Blue are feature-barren, plotless, and unbalanced compared to later games in the franchise. That said, they (well, technically Red and Green in Japan) started an international phenomenon. Also, by the standards of a Game Boy game, it was huge and ambitious. The GeniusProgramming required to fit this game into a Game Boy cartridge, as mentioned above, is harder to appreciate nowadays.
18th Nov '16 3:51:51 AM geekgecko
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* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: When you first meet Bill, he's in the body of a Pokémon after a TeleporterAccident. Nothing like this is ever mentioned again in the series.

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* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: When you first meet Bill, he's in the body of a Pokémon after a TeleporterAccident. Nothing like this is ever mentioned again in the series. series... until [[spoiler:''VideoGame/PokemonSunAndMoon'']], anyways.
11th Nov '16 10:10:37 PM Lionheart0
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** Blue's status as a challenging champion in the originals became this once fans discovered that the majority of his team have lackluster movesets. His [[GameBreaker Alakazam]] and starter however is generally considered difficult to beat and is one of the reasons why players have a hard time against him back in the day. With the existence of new, better moves and abilities in Gen III, the remakes are kind enough to buff up his entire team.

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** Blue's status as a challenging champion in the originals originals:
*** Part of it
became this once fans discovered that the majority of his team have lackluster movesets. His [[GameBreaker Alakazam]] and starter however is generally considered difficult to beat and is one of the reasons why players have a hard time against him back in the day. With the existence of new, better moves and abilities in Gen III, the remakes are kind enough to buff up his entire team.team.
*** The [[LateArrivalSpoiler entire twist]] during the reveal that he is champion. Up until that point, the player had been led to believe that the only requirement to become considered champion is to defeat the Elite Four. The idea of their being a ''sitting'' Champion was not expected. In every subsequent game, this is treated like it's common knowledge, with the champions being wildly renowned and introduced to the trainers fairy early into the game.
31st Oct '16 8:30:02 PM CurledUpWithDakka
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** Your rival is actually the hero, and you're either the real {{Jerkass}} or some kind of [[LackOfEmpathy uncaring]] unstoppable force. In Lavender Town, he says to you ""Hey, <player>! What brings you here? Your [=POKéMON=] don't look dead! I can at least make them faint! Let's go, pal!" before challenging you, without explaining what he's doing there. You then fight him, and if you've been paying attention, you will notice that he no longer has a Raticate. The theory is that the player character wounded their rival's Raticate so severely that it died of its injuries, spurring him on to beat the Elite Four before the player. But shortly after he has defeated the Elite Four, he must fight the player...who defeats him...and then is congratulated by none other than his grandfather, Professor Oak. The former champion promptly gets a scolding and is told he lost because he did not treat his Pokémon with love and trust. This gives the fairly one-dimensional rival character a deep story and portrays him as a tragic hero with terrible luck. It also makes your character's actions fairly despicable, as all this guy wanted was to be a great Pokémon trainer and win his grandfather's love. Granted, this requires some [[EpilepticTrees big assumptions]] (such as his post battle dialogue[[note]]"How's your [=POKéDEX=] coming, pal? I just caught a CUBONE! I can't find the grown-up MAROWAK yet! I doubt there are any left! Well I better get going! I've got a lot to accomplish, pal! Smell ya later!"[[/note]]) and doesn't change the fact that he acts like a {{Jerkass}} towards you.

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** Your rival is actually the hero, and you're either the real {{Jerkass}} or some kind of [[LackOfEmpathy uncaring]] unstoppable force. In Lavender Town, he says to you ""Hey, "Hey, <player>! What brings you here? Your [=POKéMON=] don't look dead! I can at least make them faint! Let's go, pal!" before challenging you, without explaining what he's doing there. You then fight him, and if you've been paying attention, you will notice that he no longer has a Raticate. The theory is that the player character wounded their rival's Raticate so severely that it died of its injuries, spurring him on to beat the Elite Four before the player. But shortly after he has defeated the Elite Four, he must fight the player...who defeats him...and then is congratulated by none other than his grandfather, Professor Oak. The former champion promptly gets a scolding and is told he lost because he did not treat his Pokémon with love and trust. This gives the fairly one-dimensional rival character a deep story and portrays him as a tragic hero with terrible luck. It also makes your character's actions fairly despicable, as all this guy wanted was to be a great Pokémon trainer and win his grandfather's love. Granted, this requires some [[EpilepticTrees big assumptions]] (such as his post battle dialogue[[note]]"How's your [=POKéDEX=] coming, pal? I just caught a CUBONE! I can't find the grown-up MAROWAK yet! I doubt there are any left! Well I better get going! I've got a lot to accomplish, pal! Smell ya later!"[[/note]]) and doesn't change the fact that he acts like a {{Jerkass}} towards you.
18th Sep '16 8:37:39 PM MayIncon
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** Razor Wind. Despite its name, it is not supposed to be a Flying-type move, instead being a Normal-type. It is also underwhelming for a move that takes two turns due to not exceeding 100 BP or getting an invincibility phase like Dig or Fly to make up for it.

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** Razor Wind. Despite its name, it is not supposed to be a Flying-type move, instead being a Normal-type. It is also underwhelming for a move that takes two turns due to not neither exceeding 100 BP or nor getting an invincibility phase like Dig or Fly to make up for it.
18th Sep '16 8:37:19 PM MayIncon
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* ScrappyWeapon: Flash is considered to be one of the worst move by many players. In battles, Flash only has 70% accuracy, which is pretty bad for a move that just lower the opponent's accuracy. In the overworld, Flash is only usable in one area. To make matters worse, HM moves cannot be forgotten and there's no Move Deleter.

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* ScrappyWeapon: ScrappyWeapon:
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Flash is considered to be one of the worst move by many players. In battles, Flash only has 70% accuracy, which is pretty bad for a move that just lower the opponent's accuracy. In the overworld, Flash is only usable in one area. To make matters worse, HM moves cannot be forgotten and there's no Move Deleter.Deleter.
** Razor Wind. Despite its name, it is not supposed to be a Flying-type move, instead being a Normal-type. It is also underwhelming for a move that takes two turns due to not exceeding 100 BP or getting an invincibility phase like Dig or Fly to make up for it.
17th Sep '16 1:08:56 PM Darthrai
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** Alakazam and Gengar are so powerful and iconic throughout the years that many non-Legendary or Mythical Psychic- and Ghost-types from the future gens tend to be compared to them respectively to the point that very few of them stand out. Machamp too, but only in comparison to pure Fighting-types due to later dual-typed Fighting-type Pokémon [[VideoGame/PokemonRubyAndSapphire Blaziken]] and [[VideoGame/PokemonDiamondAndPearl Lucario]] becoming {{Iconic Sequel Character}}s.

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** Alakazam and Gengar are so powerful and iconic throughout the years that many non-Legendary or Mythical non-Legendary, non-Mythical Psychic- and Ghost-types from the future gens tend to be compared to them respectively to the point that very few of them stand out. Machamp too, but only in comparison to pure Fighting-types due to later dual-typed Fighting-type Pokémon [[VideoGame/PokemonRubyAndSapphire Blaziken]] and [[VideoGame/PokemonDiamondAndPearl Lucario]] becoming {{Iconic Sequel Character}}s.
17th Sep '16 1:08:40 PM Darthrai
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** Alakazam and Gengar are so powerful and iconic throughout the years that many Psychic- and Ghost-types from the future gens tend to be compared to them respectively to the point that very few of them stand out. Machamp too, but only in comparison to pure Fighting-types due to later dual-typed Fighting-type Pokémon [[VideoGame/PokemonRubyAndSapphire Blaziken]] and [[VideoGame/PokemonDiamondAndPearl Lucario]] becoming {{Iconic Sequel Character}}s.

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** Alakazam and Gengar are so powerful and iconic throughout the years that many non-Legendary or Mythical Psychic- and Ghost-types from the future gens tend to be compared to them respectively to the point that very few of them stand out. Machamp too, but only in comparison to pure Fighting-types due to later dual-typed Fighting-type Pokémon [[VideoGame/PokemonRubyAndSapphire Blaziken]] and [[VideoGame/PokemonDiamondAndPearl Lucario]] becoming {{Iconic Sequel Character}}s.
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