History YMMV / PokemonMysteryDungeonExplorers

11th Apr '17 7:53:09 PM WarriorSparrow
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* CompleteMonster: [[TheChessmaster Darkrai]] is the true BigBad, and is far more evil than [[DarkIsNotEvil Classical Darkrai]]. He was responsible for the collapsing of Temporal Tower that lead to the BadFuture, tortures an [[WouldHurtAChild innocent child]] with [[MindRape violent nightmares]] to lure out the the PlayerCharacter and his partner, and makes several attempts to assassinate them so he can try his plans again. One of his murder attempts involves trying to get the heroes to [[DrivenToSuicide willingly commit suicide]] by tricking them into thinking their existence is threatening the space-time continuum due to TimeTravel shenanigans, which is easily one of the darkest moments in any ''Pokémon'' game. He has no regrets for his crimes and wishes nothing more than the [[OmnicidalManiac complete and utter destruction of the world]], just so he can rule the tattered remains.

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* CompleteMonster: [[TheChessmaster Darkrai]] is the true BigBad, and is far more evil than [[DarkIsNotEvil Classical Darkrai]]. He was responsible for the collapsing of Temporal Tower that lead to the BadFuture, tortures an [[WouldHurtAChild innocent child]] with [[MindRape violent nightmares]] to lure out the the PlayerCharacter and his their partner, and makes several attempts to assassinate them so he can try his plans again. One of his murder attempts involves trying to get the heroes to [[DrivenToSuicide willingly commit suicide]] by tricking them into thinking their existence is threatening the space-time continuum due to TimeTravel shenanigans, which is easily one of the darkest moments in any ''Pokémon'' game. He has no regrets for his crimes and wishes nothing more than the [[OmnicidalManiac complete and utter destruction of the world]], just so he can rule the tattered remains.
5th Mar '17 3:14:23 PM Monolaf317
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** Manaphy could also qualify being a baby who ended up living away from his adoptive parents (you and the partner), and missing the sea despite the fact he enjoys being with you.

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** Manaphy could also qualify being a baby who ended up living away from his adoptive parents (you and the partner), and missing the sea despite the fact he enjoys being with you.you.
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15th Feb '17 11:09:07 AM ShinyAegislash
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* AnticlimaxBoss: Unless you're really playing with the worst possible duo to fight that boss. [[spoiler: Kubutops and the Omastar brothers]] in the Brine Cave are dramatically hyped-up in-story as "vicious Pokemon" that Chatot and Wigglytuff barely managed to ''survive'' encountering in the past. They also [[spoiler: take out Team Skull effortlessly]]. They all happen to be Rock/Water types though, so if you or the partner is a Grass type, the battle is pathetically easy. Even some Fire type starters can win the battle without much difficulty, especially if they're able to exploit the Rock type of the ennemies, for example with Fighting-type moves (Focus Punch can deal massive damage to them, if not [[OneHitKill one-hit-kill]] the [[spoiler: Omastar brothers]].

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* AnticlimaxBoss: Unless you're really playing with the worst possible duo to fight that boss. [[spoiler: Kubutops Kabutops and the Omastar brothers]] in the Brine Cave are dramatically hyped-up in-story as "vicious Pokemon" that Chatot and Wigglytuff barely managed to ''survive'' encountering in the past. They also [[spoiler: take out Team Skull effortlessly]]. They all happen to be Rock/Water types though, so if you or the partner is a Grass type, the battle is pathetically easy. Even some Fire type starters can win the battle without much difficulty, especially if they're able to exploit the Rock type of the ennemies, for example with Fighting-type moves (Focus Punch can deal massive damage to them, if not [[OneHitKill one-hit-kill]] the [[spoiler: Omastar brothers]].
20th Dec '16 10:32:50 PM AtmosBlitzer
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* CompleteMonster: [[TheChessmaster Darkrai]] is the true BigBad, and is far more evil than [[WellIntentionedExtremist Classical Darkrai]]. He was responsible for the collapsing of Temporal Tower that lead to the BadFuture, tortures an [[WouldHurtAChild innocent child]] with [[MindRape violent nightmares]] to lure out the the PlayerCharacter and his partner, and makes several attempts to assassinate them so he can try his plans again. One of his murder attempts involves trying to get the heroes to [[DrivenToSuicide willingly commit suicide]] by tricking them into thinking their existence is threatening the space-time continuum due to TimeTravel shenanigans, which is easily one of the darkest moments in any ''Pokémon'' game. He has no regrets for his crimes and wishes nothing more than the [[OmnicidalManiac complete and utter destruction of the world]], just so he can rule the tattered remains.

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* CompleteMonster: [[TheChessmaster Darkrai]] is the true BigBad, and is far more evil than [[WellIntentionedExtremist [[DarkIsNotEvil Classical Darkrai]]. He was responsible for the collapsing of Temporal Tower that lead to the BadFuture, tortures an [[WouldHurtAChild innocent child]] with [[MindRape violent nightmares]] to lure out the the PlayerCharacter and his partner, and makes several attempts to assassinate them so he can try his plans again. One of his murder attempts involves trying to get the heroes to [[DrivenToSuicide willingly commit suicide]] by tricking them into thinking their existence is threatening the space-time continuum due to TimeTravel shenanigans, which is easily one of the darkest moments in any ''Pokémon'' game. He has no regrets for his crimes and wishes nothing more than the [[OmnicidalManiac complete and utter destruction of the world]], just so he can rule the tattered remains.
20th Nov '16 1:33:58 PM CakeMix
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* EarWorm: Aegis cave. It doesn't help that Aegis Cave is the setting for a particularly time-consuming and tedious mission.

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* EarWorm: Aegis cave.Cave. It doesn't help that Aegis Cave is the setting for a particularly time-consuming and tedious mission.



* ParanoiaFuel: In Time/Darkness/Sky, a conversation with your partner about [[spoiler: killing yourselves]] ends abruptly as the two of you go to sleep. When you wake up, [[spoiler:your partner's bed is ''empty''.]]
* PlayerPunch: The ending of Special Episode 2 in ''Sky''- ''Igglybuff the Prodigy''. Igglybuff has befriended his loyal, trustworthy master (a retired explorer), they've explored and found heaps of treasure. Then, after they beat a remote dungeon, Igglybuff's friends and parents turn up to reveal that [[spoiler: Igglybuff's mentor, Armaldo, is actually a B-rank outlaw. You can practically see Igglybuff's world ending as Armaldo's taken into police custody.]]

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* ParanoiaFuel: In Time/Darkness/Sky, a A conversation with your partner about [[spoiler: killing yourselves]] ends abruptly as the two of you go to sleep. When you wake up, [[spoiler:your partner's bed is ''empty''.]]
* PlayerPunch: The ending of Special Episode 2 in ''Sky''- ''Sky'', ''Igglybuff the Prodigy''. Igglybuff has befriended his loyal, trustworthy master (a retired explorer), they've explored and found heaps of treasure. Then, after they beat a remote dungeon, Igglybuff's friends and parents turn up to reveal that [[spoiler: Igglybuff's mentor, Armaldo, is actually a B-rank outlaw. You can practically see Igglybuff's world ending as Armaldo's taken into police custody.]]



** [=PMD2's=] Chatot. Of course. In a way, he's [[CrossesTheLineTwice irritating to the point of actually being humorous]].

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** [=PMD2's=] Chatot. Of course. In a way, he's [[CrossesTheLineTwice irritating to the point of actually being humorous]].



** Temporal Spire from the second game may perhaps hold one of the most punishing [[DifficultySpike difficulty]] spikes in recent years thanks to a myriad of reasons. The penultimate stage of the main story only allows you and your partner in, meaning if either one of the two are any sort of weak to the many traps and strong Pokemon in the dungeon, then [[ForcedLevelGrinding grinding]] for experience or for items will be the norm until a winning combination has been made.
** Any of the Legendary dungeons in the second game, i.e. Bottomless Ocean, Giant Volcano, etc.

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** Temporal Spire from the second game may perhaps hold one of the most punishing [[DifficultySpike difficulty]] spikes difficulty spikes]] in recent years thanks to a myriad of reasons. The penultimate stage of the main story only allows you and your partner in, meaning if either one of the two are any sort of weak to the many traps and strong Pokemon in the dungeon, then [[ForcedLevelGrinding grinding]] for experience or for items will be the norm until a winning combination has been made.
** Any of the Legendary dungeons in the second game, dungeons, i.e. Bottomless Ocean, Giant Volcano, etc.



* TierInducedScrappy: Cresselia in ''Explorers Of Time/Darkness/Sky'' is perhaps the worst when it comes to this. Not only do you have to escort her to the end of the dungeon (which contains tons and tons of lava for her to float over and burn herself with), but she also takes place in the final battle against [[spoiler:Darkrai]].

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* TierInducedScrappy: Cresselia in ''Explorers Of Time/Darkness/Sky'' is perhaps the worst when it comes to this. Not only do you have to escort her to the end of the dungeon (which contains tons and tons of lava for her to float over and burn herself with), but she also takes place in the final battle against [[spoiler:Darkrai]].



** What about The Player themself? For starters, they're an amnesiac [[spoiler: from the future]] who has lost their family and turned into a Pokemon. [[spoiler: Especially when finding out they exist only because of a bad future and they'll disappear once Primal Dialga is defeated. Pretty much ''everyone'' from the BadFuture could qualify, except the Sableye and Dusknoir. Grovyle for being an idealist who wants to change the past even if it means he won't exist, Celebi for using most of her energy to send Grovyle, the player, and your partner to the present day and risking being murdered by Dusknoir's Sableye. It only gets worse after the post game story where Cresselia (actually Darkrai) asks you and your partner to kill yourselves to save the world, you're hunted by a well-meaning Palkia, and nearly killed by Darkrai in a nightmare when you dare to interfere with his plans.]] Manaphy could also qualify being a baby who ended up living away from his adoptive parents (you and the partner), and missing the sea despite the fact he enjoys being with you.

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** What about The Player themself? For starters, they're an amnesiac [[spoiler: from the future]] who has lost their family and turned into a Pokemon. [[spoiler: Especially when finding out they exist only because of a bad future and they'll disappear once Primal Dialga is defeated. Pretty much ''everyone'' from the BadFuture could qualify, except the Sableye and Dusknoir. Grovyle for being an idealist who wants to change the past even if it means he won't exist, Celebi for using most of her energy to send Grovyle, the player, and your partner to the present day and risking being murdered by Dusknoir's Sableye. It only gets worse after the post game story where Cresselia (actually Darkrai) asks you and your partner to kill yourselves to save the world, you're hunted by a well-meaning Palkia, and nearly killed by Darkrai in a nightmare when you dare to interfere with his plans.]] ]]
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Manaphy could also qualify being a baby who ended up living away from his adoptive parents (you and the partner), and missing the sea despite the fact he enjoys being with you.
4th Oct '16 11:28:03 AM ShinyAegislash
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* 8.8: IGN's review of Sky, claiming that was just a rehashing of Time/Darkness, bashing on the graphics and sounds, and the fact that the reviewer had only play up to Apple Woods.

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* 8.8: EightPointEight: IGN's review of Sky, as a result of claiming that it was just a rehashing rehash of Time/Darkness, bashing on the graphics and sounds, and the fact that the reviewer had only play played up to Apple Woods.
6th Sep '16 6:46:40 PM BigKlingy
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** Two localization-only examples. Koffing, Zubat and Skuntank's team was named "Team Skull" in the English version, which ended up being the name of the villainous team in ''VideoGame/PokemonSunAndMoon''. Similarly, "Primal Dialga" (who was called Dark Dialga in Japan) became this after the remakes of ''VideoGame/PokemonRubyAndSapphire'' introduced Primal Reversion.
12th Aug '16 11:55:53 AM Pokedude14
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* 8.8: IGN's review of Sky, claiming that was just a rehashing of Time/Darkness, bashing on the graphics and sounds, and the fact that the reviewer had only play up to Apple Woods.
25th Jul '16 1:59:43 PM lalalei2001
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*** The real reason for its notorious nature comes from the enemies, all of which qualify as a [[DemonicSpiders Demonic Spider]] in one way or another. [=Porygon2=] and Porygon-Z will boost every enemy's Speed in a room with Agility and hit you or your partner from virtually anywhere with Discharge, Tri Attack and Signal Beam. Bronzong, thanks to the game's mechanics, is a Pokemon with no real weakness and its defenses allow other enemies to ambush you during the fight with one. Salamence and Metagross both will martyr everything in their paths with Dragon Claw and Meteor Mash, respectively, severely damaging, if not outright knocking you or your partner out. Combine that with Monster Houses and the littered traps, and the spire's infamy has since risen to a plane that even rivals Stage 6 of [[VideoGame/NinjaGaiden Ninja Gaiden]].



** Mt. Bristle can be a bit of a challenge for the sole reason that you're not quite strong yet. Like the EarlyBirdBoss, but for a level instead.
*** Not helped by the fact that Drowzee might be a bit of an EarlyBirdBoss, if you get unlucky and his Forewarn ability activates a lot or if you or your partner are weak to psychic attacks.

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** Mt. Bristle can be a bit of a challenge for the sole reason that you're not quite strong yet. Like the EarlyBirdBoss, but for a level instead.
*** Not
It's not helped by the fact that Drowzee might be a bit of an EarlyBirdBoss, if you get unlucky and his Forewarn ability activates a lot or if you or your partner are weak to psychic attacks.
25th Jul '16 1:49:39 PM ShinyCottonCandy
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*** The real reason for its notorious nature comes from the enemies, '''all of which qualify as a [[DemonicSpiders Demonic Spider]] in one way or another.''' [=Porygon2=] and Porygon-Z will boost every enemy's Speed in a room with Agility and hit you or your partner from virtually anywhere with Discharge, Tri Attack and Signal Beam. Bronzong, thanks to the game's mechanics, is a Pokemon with no real weakness and its defenses allow other enemies to ambush you during the fight with one. Salamence and Metagross both will martyr everything in their paths with Dragon Claw and Meteor Mash, respectively, severely damaging, if not outright knocking you or your partner out. Combine that with Monster Houses and the littered traps, and the spire's infamy has since risen to a plane that even rivals Stage 6 of [[VideoGame/NinjaGaiden Ninja Gaiden]].

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*** The real reason for its notorious nature comes from the enemies, '''all all of which qualify as a [[DemonicSpiders Demonic Spider]] in one way or another.''' another. [=Porygon2=] and Porygon-Z will boost every enemy's Speed in a room with Agility and hit you or your partner from virtually anywhere with Discharge, Tri Attack and Signal Beam. Bronzong, thanks to the game's mechanics, is a Pokemon with no real weakness and its defenses allow other enemies to ambush you during the fight with one. Salamence and Metagross both will martyr everything in their paths with Dragon Claw and Meteor Mash, respectively, severely damaging, if not outright knocking you or your partner out. Combine that with Monster Houses and the littered traps, and the spire's infamy has since risen to a plane that even rivals Stage 6 of [[VideoGame/NinjaGaiden Ninja Gaiden]].
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