History YMMV / PokemonMysteryDungeonExplorers

25th Jul '16 1:59:43 PM lalalei2001
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*** The real reason for its notorious nature comes from the enemies, all of which qualify as a [[DemonicSpiders Demonic Spider]] in one way or another. [=Porygon2=] and Porygon-Z will boost every enemy's Speed in a room with Agility and hit you or your partner from virtually anywhere with Discharge, Tri Attack and Signal Beam. Bronzong, thanks to the game's mechanics, is a Pokemon with no real weakness and its defenses allow other enemies to ambush you during the fight with one. Salamence and Metagross both will martyr everything in their paths with Dragon Claw and Meteor Mash, respectively, severely damaging, if not outright knocking you or your partner out. Combine that with Monster Houses and the littered traps, and the spire's infamy has since risen to a plane that even rivals Stage 6 of [[VideoGame/NinjaGaiden Ninja Gaiden]].



** Mt. Bristle can be a bit of a challenge for the sole reason that you're not quite strong yet. Like the EarlyBirdBoss, but for a level instead.
*** Not helped by the fact that Drowzee might be a bit of an EarlyBirdBoss, if you get unlucky and his Forewarn ability activates a lot or if you or your partner are weak to psychic attacks.

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** Mt. Bristle can be a bit of a challenge for the sole reason that you're not quite strong yet. Like the EarlyBirdBoss, but for a level instead.
*** Not
It's not helped by the fact that Drowzee might be a bit of an EarlyBirdBoss, if you get unlucky and his Forewarn ability activates a lot or if you or your partner are weak to psychic attacks.
25th Jul '16 1:49:39 PM ShinyCottonCandy
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*** The real reason for its notorious nature comes from the enemies, '''all of which qualify as a [[DemonicSpiders Demonic Spider]] in one way or another.''' [=Porygon2=] and Porygon-Z will boost every enemy's Speed in a room with Agility and hit you or your partner from virtually anywhere with Discharge, Tri Attack and Signal Beam. Bronzong, thanks to the game's mechanics, is a Pokemon with no real weakness and its defenses allow other enemies to ambush you during the fight with one. Salamence and Metagross both will martyr everything in their paths with Dragon Claw and Meteor Mash, respectively, severely damaging, if not outright knocking you or your partner out. Combine that with Monster Houses and the littered traps, and the spire's infamy has since risen to a plane that even rivals Stage 6 of [[VideoGame/NinjaGaiden Ninja Gaiden]].

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*** The real reason for its notorious nature comes from the enemies, '''all all of which qualify as a [[DemonicSpiders Demonic Spider]] in one way or another.''' another. [=Porygon2=] and Porygon-Z will boost every enemy's Speed in a room with Agility and hit you or your partner from virtually anywhere with Discharge, Tri Attack and Signal Beam. Bronzong, thanks to the game's mechanics, is a Pokemon with no real weakness and its defenses allow other enemies to ambush you during the fight with one. Salamence and Metagross both will martyr everything in their paths with Dragon Claw and Meteor Mash, respectively, severely damaging, if not outright knocking you or your partner out. Combine that with Monster Houses and the littered traps, and the spire's infamy has since risen to a plane that even rivals Stage 6 of [[VideoGame/NinjaGaiden Ninja Gaiden]].
18th Jul '16 8:22:34 PM MsAmiClassified
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* OneTrueThreesome: Celebi/Grovyle/Dusknoir is a favorite in some circles.
17th May '16 3:06:36 PM Orbiting
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* NeverLiveItDown: "Perfect Apple Incident" anyone?

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* NeverLiveItDown: Chatot and the "Perfect Apple Incident" anyone?



* SequelDisplacement: While not as bad as some examples of this trope, some believe that Explorers of Time/Darkness/Sky were the originals and don't know about Red/Blue Rescue Team or just ignore it.

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* SequelDisplacement: While not as bad as some examples of this trope, some believe that Explorers of Time/Darkness/Sky were the originals and don't know about Red/Blue Rescue Team or just ignore it.them.



*** The real reason for its notorious nature comes from the enemies, '''all of which qualify as a [[DemonicSpiders Demonic Spider]] in one way or another.''' Porygon2 and Porygon-Z will boost every enemy's Speed in a room with Agility and hit you or your partner from virtually anywhere with Discharge, Tri Attack and Signal Beam. Bronzong, thanks to the game's mechanics, is a Pokemon with no real weakness and its defenses allow other enemies to ambush you during the fight with one. Salamence and Metagross both will martyr everything in their paths with Dragon Claw and Meteor Mash, respectively, severely damaging, if not outright knocking you or your partner out. Combine that with Monster Houses and the littered traps, and the spire's infamy has since risen to a plane that even rivals Stage 6 of [[VideoGame/NinjaGaiden Ninja Gaiden]].

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*** The real reason for its notorious nature comes from the enemies, '''all of which qualify as a [[DemonicSpiders Demonic Spider]] in one way or another.''' Porygon2 [=Porygon2=] and Porygon-Z will boost every enemy's Speed in a room with Agility and hit you or your partner from virtually anywhere with Discharge, Tri Attack and Signal Beam. Bronzong, thanks to the game's mechanics, is a Pokemon with no real weakness and its defenses allow other enemies to ambush you during the fight with one. Salamence and Metagross both will martyr everything in their paths with Dragon Claw and Meteor Mash, respectively, severely damaging, if not outright knocking you or your partner out. Combine that with Monster Houses and the littered traps, and the spire's infamy has since risen to a plane that even rivals Stage 6 of [[VideoGame/NinjaGaiden Ninja Gaiden]].



*** Not helped by the fact that Drowzee might be a bit of an EarlyBirdBoss, if you get unlucky and his Forewarn ability activates a lot.
* TierInducedScrappy: Cresselia in ''Explorers Of Time/Darkness/Sky'' is perhaps the worst when it comes to this. Not only do you have to escort her to the end of the dungeon (Which contains tons and tons of lava for her to float over and burn herself with), but she also takes place in the final battle against [[spoiler:Darkrai]].

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*** Not helped by the fact that Drowzee might be a bit of an EarlyBirdBoss, if you get unlucky and his Forewarn ability activates a lot.
lot or if you or your partner are weak to psychic attacks.
* TierInducedScrappy: Cresselia in ''Explorers Of Time/Darkness/Sky'' is perhaps the worst when it comes to this. Not only do you have to escort her to the end of the dungeon (Which (which contains tons and tons of lava for her to float over and burn herself with), but she also takes place in the final battle against [[spoiler:Darkrai]].



** [[spoiler: The partner, after the player disappears. Or him/her in general? For one, s/he's a young Pokemon (presumably a kid) who's also a coward who only got the strength to join the guild from the player, s/he's gone without dinner because of Team Skull, they were bullied by Team Skull in general, and their best friend/life partner disappears into light before their eyes, leaving them to go home alone while barely being able to hold themselves together. Things seem to be looking up for them when they return, only to have Cresselia (actually Darkrai in disguise) tells them to kill themselves along with the player because they are an anomaly. Ouch.]]
** What about The Player himself/herself? For starters, they're an amnesiac [[spoiler: from the future]] who has lost their family and turned into a Pokemon. [[spoiler: Especially when finding out he/she exists only because of a bad future and they'll disappear once Primal Dialga is defeated. Pretty much ''everyone'' from the BadFuture could qualify, except the Sableye and Dusknoir. Grovyle for being an idealist who wants to change the past even if it means he won't exist, Celebi for using most of her energy to send Grovyle, The player, and your partner to the present day and risking being murdered by Dusknoir's Sableye. It only gets worse after the post game story where Cresselia (actually Darkrai) asks you and your partner to kill yourselves to save the world, you're hunted by a well-meaning Palkia, and nearly killed by Darkrai in a nightmare when you dare to interfere with his plans.]] Manaphy could also qualify being a baby who ended up living away from his adoptive parents (you and the partner), and missing the sea despite the fact he enjoys being with you.

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** [[spoiler: The partner, after the player disappears. Or him/her them in general? For one, s/he's they're a young Pokemon (presumably a kid) who's also a coward who only got the strength to join the guild from the player, s/he's they've gone without dinner because of Team Skull, they were bullied by Team Skull in general, and their best friend/life partner disappears into light before their eyes, leaving them to go home alone while barely being able to hold themselves together. Things seem to be looking up for them when they return, only to have Cresselia (actually Darkrai in disguise) tells them to kill themselves along with the player because they are an anomaly. Ouch.]]
** What about The Player himself/herself? themself? For starters, they're an amnesiac [[spoiler: from the future]] who has lost their family and turned into a Pokemon. [[spoiler: Especially when finding out he/she exists they exist only because of a bad future and they'll disappear once Primal Dialga is defeated. Pretty much ''everyone'' from the BadFuture could qualify, except the Sableye and Dusknoir. Grovyle for being an idealist who wants to change the past even if it means he won't exist, Celebi for using most of her energy to send Grovyle, The the player, and your partner to the present day and risking being murdered by Dusknoir's Sableye. It only gets worse after the post game story where Cresselia (actually Darkrai) asks you and your partner to kill yourselves to save the world, you're hunted by a well-meaning Palkia, and nearly killed by Darkrai in a nightmare when you dare to interfere with his plans.]] Manaphy could also qualify being a baby who ended up living away from his adoptive parents (you and the partner), and missing the sea despite the fact he enjoys being with you.
10th May '16 2:37:26 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* AnticlimaxBoss: Unless you're really playing with the worst possible duo to fight that boss. [[spoiler: Kubutops and the Omastar brothers]] in the Brine Cave are dramatically hyped-up in-story as "vicious Pokemon" that Chatot and Wigglytuff barely managed to ''survive'' encountering in the past. They also [[spoiler: take out Team Skull effortlessly]]. They all happen to be Rock/Water types though, so if you or the partner is a Grass type, the battle is pathetically easy. Even some Fire type starters can win the battle without much difficulty, especially if they're able to exploit the Rock type of the ennemies, for example with Fighting-type moves (Focus Punch can deal [[ForMassiveDamage massive damage]] to them, if not [[OneHitKill one-hit-kill]] the [[spoiler: Omastar brothers]].

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* AnticlimaxBoss: Unless you're really playing with the worst possible duo to fight that boss. [[spoiler: Kubutops and the Omastar brothers]] in the Brine Cave are dramatically hyped-up in-story as "vicious Pokemon" that Chatot and Wigglytuff barely managed to ''survive'' encountering in the past. They also [[spoiler: take out Team Skull effortlessly]]. They all happen to be Rock/Water types though, so if you or the partner is a Grass type, the battle is pathetically easy. Even some Fire type starters can win the battle without much difficulty, especially if they're able to exploit the Rock type of the ennemies, for example with Fighting-type moves (Focus Punch can deal [[ForMassiveDamage massive damage]] damage to them, if not [[OneHitKill one-hit-kill]] the [[spoiler: Omastar brothers]].
10th May '16 2:33:32 PM ShadowLordHeishin
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** In fact, when you recruit him [[spoiler: Giratina]] and talk to him in Spinda's Cafe, he's a [[spoiler: DarkIsNotEvil perfectly friendly guy and more than willing to help out in your adventures.]] So much for being what could have been the Ultiamte Evil of the game...

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** In fact, when you recruit him [[spoiler: Giratina]] Giratina and talk to him in Spinda's Cafe, he's a [[spoiler: DarkIsNotEvil [[DarkIsNotEvil perfectly friendly guy and more than willing to help out in your adventures.]] So much for being what could have been the Ultiamte Not exactly Ultimate Evil of the game...material...
10th May '16 2:32:14 PM ShadowLordHeishin
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** In fact, when you recruit him [[spoiler: Giratina]] and talk to him in Spinda's Cafe, he's a [[spoiler: DarkIsNotEvil perfectly friendly guy and more than willing to help out in your adventures.]] So much for being what could have been the Ultiamte Evil of the game...
17th Mar '16 3:43:04 PM Yumil
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* AnticlimaxBoss: One dependant on what Pokemon you're playing as. [[spoiler: Kubutops and the Omastar brothers]] in the Brine Cave are dramatically hyped-up in-story as "vicious Pokemon" that Chatot and Wigglytuff barely managed to ''survive'' encountering in the past. They also [[spoiler: take out Team Skull effortlessly]]. They all happen to be Rock/Water types though, so if you or the partner is a Grass type, the battle is pathetically easy. If you're a ''Fire'' type [[ThatOneBoss though]]...

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* AnticlimaxBoss: One dependant on what Pokemon Unless you're really playing as.with the worst possible duo to fight that boss. [[spoiler: Kubutops and the Omastar brothers]] in the Brine Cave are dramatically hyped-up in-story as "vicious Pokemon" that Chatot and Wigglytuff barely managed to ''survive'' encountering in the past. They also [[spoiler: take out Team Skull effortlessly]]. They all happen to be Rock/Water types though, so if you or the partner is a Grass type, the battle is pathetically easy. If you're a ''Fire'' Even some Fire type [[ThatOneBoss though]]...starters can win the battle without much difficulty, especially if they're able to exploit the Rock type of the ennemies, for example with Fighting-type moves (Focus Punch can deal [[ForMassiveDamage massive damage]] to them, if not [[OneHitKill one-hit-kill]] the [[spoiler: Omastar brothers]].
17th Mar '16 2:50:04 PM Yumil
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** Dialga can count too. though he has the turn-recharging drawback, it hardly comes into play if his Roar of Time can ''outright'' kill either one or all of your party members at full health.
17th Mar '16 2:36:56 PM Karxrida
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** Even then, it can be a fairly easy battle. Fire starters like Chimchar can learn Focus Punch quite easily through the course of the game and the start of the battle give a good opportunity to use it. It can outright [[OneHitKill one-hit-kill]] one of the two [[spoiler: Omastar ]], making the fight slightly easier. And as long as you can at least survive one turn, nothing prevents you for doing the same to the other ennemies. More generally, any fighting-type move will do the job since the three ennemies are partially rock-type.
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