History YMMV / PokemonGoldandSilver

24th Sep '17 4:04:55 PM nombretomado
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** Chuck was given ChuckNorrisFacts-like status for a while.

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** Chuck was given ChuckNorrisFacts-like Website/ChuckNorrisFacts-like status for a while.
23rd Sep '17 9:40:47 AM MayIncon
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** Roaming legendaries. Hard to catch and even harder to find (they don't show up in the Pokédex until you've stumbled upon them ''once''), getting them is very much a LuckBasedMission. It's even worse in ''Crystal'', since you need to catch all of them (though thankfully Suicune isn't one of them) to even make Ho-Oh appear. Thankfully, unlike in later generations and the remakes, statuses that prevent moves from being used such as sleep and paralysis ''do'' prevent them from fleeing, so no [[MemeticMutation sleep-running Entei]].

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** Roaming legendaries. Hard to catch and even harder to find (they don't show up in the Pokédex until you've stumbled upon them ''once''), ''once'', and even then they tend to run away when you're close to them), getting them is very much a LuckBasedMission. It's even worse in ''Crystal'', since you need to catch all of them (though thankfully Suicune isn't one of them) to even make Ho-Oh appear. Thankfully, unlike in later generations and the remakes, statuses that prevent moves from being used such as sleep and paralysis ''do'' prevent them from fleeing, so no [[MemeticMutation sleep-running Entei]].



** The Ledyba line is considered by many to be one of the worst Pokemon (excluding the {{Joke Character}}s) for battling purposes. Ledyba and Ledian specialize in Special Defense, [[CripplingOverspecialization but that's about it]]. The rest of their stats besides Speed are laughably terrible, and despite being a StoneWall, Bug/Flying is a poor defensive type and they only learn a limited number of supporting moves (the near universal Toxic, Reflect, Light Screen and Baton Pass).

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** The Ledyba line is considered by many to be one of the worst Pokemon (excluding the {{Joke Character}}s) for battling purposes. Ledyba and Ledian specialize in Special Defense, [[CripplingOverspecialization but that's about it]]. The rest of their stats besides Speed are laughably terrible, and despite being a StoneWall, Bug/Flying is a poor defensive type combination and they only learn a limited number of supporting moves (the near universal Toxic, Reflect, Light Screen and Baton Pass).
23rd Sep '17 8:02:32 AM N8han11
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** Most Dark-type Pokemon flat-out sucked at their jobs at dealing with Psychics since all Dark moves were considered Special attacks yet most of them have low Special Attack stat. The exceptions being Houndoom (A GlassCannon with good Sp.Attack) and Tyranitar (A MightyGlacier with decent Sp.Attack). It doesn't help that most of them only appear after beating the Elite Four.
** The Ledyba line is considered by many to be one of worst Pokemon (excluding the {{Joke Character}}s) for battling purpose. Ledyba and Ledian specialize in Special Defense, [[CripplingOverspecialization but that's about it.]] The rest of their stats besides Speed are laughably terrible, and despite being a StoneWall, Bug/Flying is a poor defensive type and they only learn a limited number of supporting moves (the near universal Toxic, Reflect, Light Screen and Baton Pass).
** The Slugma line. Not only is Slugma located at Kanto as a rare encounter, Slugma doesn't evolve until ''Level 38''! Its evolved form Magcargo is very underwhelming as none of its stats other than Defense are anything to write home about while being cripplingly weak to Water- and Ground-types.
** For high-tier scrappies, Snorlax is regarded as the absolute best non-Uber Pokemon in the game, with the ability to learn Curse: it can boost its good attack and average defense to complement its intrinsically high health and special defense to become an unstoppable juggernaut. The speed drop that comes from using Curse is irrelevant because of how Snorlax already is. The only way to stand a chance against it is to reset its stats either by using Haze, or forcing it to switch out with a move such as Roar or Whirlwind; and even the latter will fail if it's the last Pokemon on the opponent's team. With a lack of means of countering its Curse-based moveset, Snorlax is recognized as the "king" of the GSC metagame.

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** Most Dark-type Pokemon flat-out sucked at their jobs at dealing with Psychics since all Dark moves were considered Special attacks yet most of them have low Special Attack stat. The exceptions being Houndoom (A GlassCannon with good Sp.Special Attack) and Tyranitar (A MightyGlacier with decent Sp.Special Attack). It doesn't help that most of them only appear after beating the Elite Four.
** The Ledyba line is considered by many to be one of the worst Pokemon (excluding the {{Joke Character}}s) for battling purpose. purposes. Ledyba and Ledian specialize in Special Defense, [[CripplingOverspecialization but that's about it.]] it]]. The rest of their stats besides Speed are laughably terrible, and despite being a StoneWall, Bug/Flying is a poor defensive type and they only learn a limited number of supporting moves (the near universal Toxic, Reflect, Light Screen and Baton Pass).
** The Slugma line. Not only is Slugma located at Kanto as a rare encounter, Slugma doesn't evolve until ''Level 38''! Its evolved form Magcargo is very underwhelming as none of its stats other than Defense are anything to write home about about, while being cripplingly weak to Water- and Ground-types.
** For high-tier scrappies, Snorlax is regarded as the absolute best non-Uber Pokemon in the game, with the ability to learn Curse: it can boost its good attack and average defense to complement its intrinsically high health and special defense to become an unstoppable juggernaut. The speed drop that comes from using Curse is irrelevant because of how Snorlax slow [[MightyGlacier Snorlax]] already is. The only way to stand a chance against it is to reset its stats either by using Haze, or forcing it to switch out with a move such as Roar or Whirlwind; and even the latter will fail if it's the last Pokemon on the opponent's team. With a lack of means of countering its Curse-based moveset, Snorlax is recognized as the "king" of the GSC metagame.
23rd Sep '17 7:37:59 AM N8han11
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** Due to these games' over-reliance on previous-generation Pokémon, a lot of the new Pokémon were very weak compared to Pokémon from [[VideoGame/PokemonRedAndBlue past]] [[VideoGame/PokemonRubyAndSapphire and]] [[VideoGame/PokemonDiamondAndPearl future]] [[VideoGame/PokemonBlackAndWhite generations]], aside from a select few like Tyranitar, Scizor, Kingdra, Steelix, Blissey, Heracross, Forretress, Houndoom, the two new Eeveelutions, Skarmory and the Legendaries. Some of these Pokémon (Sneasel, Gligar, Piloswine, Togetic, Yanma, Aipom, Murkow, and Misdreavus[[note]]which actually was widely used for its [[TimeDelayedDeath Perish Trapping moveset]] that could instantly faint any enemy Pokémon within 3 turns while preventing their escape. Although Gengar had the same moveset, Misdreavus had a better typing and defenses to stall out Perish Song.[[/note]]) were later RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap, gaining new evos in ''VideoGame/PokemonDiamondAndPearl'' and becoming much, ''much'' more useful. [[JokeCharacter Wobbuffet]] benefited from a PRE-evo and the ability [[YouWillNotEvadeMe Shadow Tag]] in ''VideoGame/PokemonRubyAndSapphire''. [[LethalJokeCharacter It was in the Uber tier until]] ''VideoGame/PokemonBlackAndWhite''.

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** Due to these games' over-reliance on previous-generation Pokémon, a lot of the new Pokémon were very weak compared to Pokémon from [[VideoGame/PokemonRedAndBlue past]] [[VideoGame/PokemonRubyAndSapphire and]] [[VideoGame/PokemonDiamondAndPearl future]] [[VideoGame/PokemonBlackAndWhite generations]], aside from a select few like Tyranitar, Scizor, Kingdra, Steelix, Blissey, Heracross, Forretress, Houndoom, the two new Eeveelutions, Skarmory Skarmory, Misdreavus and the Legendaries. Some of these Pokémon (Sneasel, Gligar, Piloswine, Togetic, Yanma, Aipom, Murkow, and Misdreavus[[note]]which actually was widely used for its [[TimeDelayedDeath Perish Trapping moveset]] that could instantly faint any enemy Pokémon within 3 turns while preventing their escape. Although Gengar had the same moveset, Misdreavus had a better typing and defenses to stall out Perish Song.[[/note]]) Murkow were later RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap, gaining new evos evolutions in ''VideoGame/PokemonDiamondAndPearl'' and becoming much, ''much'' more useful. [[JokeCharacter Wobbuffet]] benefited from a PRE-evo and the ability [[YouWillNotEvadeMe Shadow Tag]] in ''VideoGame/PokemonRubyAndSapphire''. [[LethalJokeCharacter It was in the Uber tier until]] ''VideoGame/PokemonBlackAndWhite''.
23rd Sep '17 6:22:58 AM SpinAttaxx
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* BrokenBase: The conspicuous absence of ''Crystal'' on the Virtual Console has caused this. Either one is fine with this as releasing [[UpdatedRerelease what is meant to be the definitive version]] would logically hamper sales of the other two versions, or one sees it as Nintendo holding it back for the sole purpose of releasing it later, prompting buyers to double-dip for it.



** Similar to Whitney, Clair was disliked due to her difficulty, her self-centered personality, and the fact that she refused to give the player the badge until after they found an item.[[note]]In Crystal, instead, players have to take a test by Clair's grandfather [[PlayerPersonalityTest about their personality]] and if passed they will be rewarded with the Rising Badge and a Dratini, with all questions answered right the Dratini will know Extremespeed![[/note]]

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** Similar to Whitney, Clair was disliked due to her difficulty, her self-centered personality, and the fact that she refused to give the player the badge until after they found an item.[[note]]In Crystal, instead, ''Crystal'' and the remakes, players instead have to take a test by Clair's grandfather [[PlayerPersonalityTest about their personality]] and if passed they will be rewarded with the Rising Badge and a Dratini, Dratini; with all questions answered right right, the Dratini will know Extremespeed![[/note]][[ActionInitiative Extremespeed]]![[/note]]



** Roaming legendaries, detailed above.

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** Roaming legendaries, detailed above.legendaries. Hard to catch and even harder to find (they don't show up in the Pokédex until you've stumbled upon them ''once''), getting them is very much a LuckBasedMission. It's even worse in ''Crystal'', since you need to catch all of them (though thankfully Suicune isn't one of them) to even make Ho-Oh appear. Thankfully, unlike in later generations and the remakes, statuses that prevent moves from being used such as sleep and paralysis ''do'' prevent them from fleeing, so no [[MemeticMutation sleep-running Entei]].



** The freedom to go anywhere after Ecruteak City was frowned upon for being the reason that the Johto journey up to the Clair's 8th badge got saddled with [[ItsEasySoItSucks such a poor leveling-curve]]. The sad part is that this problem remained in the remakes.

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** The freedom to go anywhere after Ecruteak City was frowned upon for being the reason that the Johto journey up to the Clair's 8th eigth badge got saddled with [[ItsEasySoItSucks such a poor leveling-curve]]. The sad part is that this problem remained in the remakes.
4th Sep '17 11:12:31 PM UncontestedSequel517
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** Jasmine is a pretty popular Gym Leader, even getting a cameo in Gen 4. It helps that she's the only one of the three new female Gym Leaders who doesn't get obnoxious about losing.
** The rival Silver is arguably the most popular human character of the Gen 2 games, and frequently rivals Blue in being the most popular rival in the series.

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** Jasmine is a pretty popular Gym Leader, even getting a cameo in Gen 4.the Sinnoh games. It helps that she's the only one of the three new female Gym Leaders who doesn't get obnoxious about losing.
** The rival Silver is arguably the most popular human character of the Gen 2 Johto games, and frequently rivals Blue in being the most popular rival in the series.
25th Aug '17 4:35:24 AM Retloclive
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** Some people were not a fan of several Johto Pokémon, such as Larvitar, Slugma, Houndour, Misdreavus, Murkrow, and Sneasel, being restricted to the Kanto post-game. Clefairy, Diglett, Chansey, Snorlax and Aerodactyl were also restricted to the Kanto post-game, which was an odd case for Chansey given that the Pokémon had a new Johto evolution in Blissey. With the exception Slugma, this problem remained in the remakes.

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** Some people were not a fan of several Johto Pokémon, such as Larvitar, Slugma, Houndour, Misdreavus, Murkrow, and Sneasel, being restricted to the Kanto post-game. Clefairy, Diglett, Chansey, Snorlax and Aerodactyl were also restricted to the Kanto post-game, which was an odd case for Chansey given that the Pokémon had a new Johto evolution in Blissey. With the exception of Slugma, this problem remained in the remakes.
25th Aug '17 4:33:59 AM Retloclive
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** The levels that wild Pokémon can be found at are some of the lowest in the series and some of the trainers have low levelled Pokémon too. This means newly caught Pokémon can [[CantCatchUp take a while before becoming useful]] and makes LevelGrinding a pain. Even worse, Red has the highest levelled team in the series outside of Battle Institutes.
** The freedom to go anywhere after Ecruteak City is frowned upon for being the reason that the Johto journey up to the Clair's 8th badge got saddled with [[ItsEasySoItSucks such a poor leveling-curve]]. The sad part is that this problem remained in the remakes. Consequently, the low-level curve persisted, which was the one persistent criticism the Johto games faced.

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** The levels that wild Pokémon can be found at are some of the lowest in the series and some of the trainers have low levelled low-leveled Pokémon too. This means newly caught Pokémon can [[CantCatchUp take a while before becoming useful]] and makes LevelGrinding a pain. Even worse, Red has the highest levelled leveled team in the series outside of Battle Institutes.
** The freedom to go anywhere after Ecruteak City is was frowned upon for being the reason that the Johto journey up to the Clair's 8th badge got saddled with [[ItsEasySoItSucks such a poor leveling-curve]]. The sad part is that this problem remained in the remakes. Consequently, remakes.
** Some people were not a fan of several Johto Pokémon, such as Larvitar, Slugma, Houndour, Misdreavus, Murkrow, and Sneasel, being restricted to
the low-level curve persisted, Kanto post-game. Clefairy, Diglett, Chansey, Snorlax and Aerodactyl were also restricted to the Kanto post-game, which was an odd case for Chansey given that the one persistent criticism the Pokémon had a new Johto games faced.evolution in Blissey. With the exception Slugma, this problem remained in the remakes.
17th Aug '17 11:48:15 AM PDL
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** Whitney's Miltank. Due to being [[ThatOneBoss kinda difficult for unprepared trainers]], it has gained a reputation of being a terrifying being who only lives to see trainers' hopes and dreams smashed to pieces.
17th Aug '17 11:30:27 AM MayIncon
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* TakeThatScrappy: Clair is mocked by several other characters, including other Gym Leaders.

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* TakeThatScrappy: Clair Clair, who is infamous for her arrogance and failure to comply to Gym regulations is mocked by several other characters, including other Gym Leaders.
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