History YMMV / PokemonGoldandSilver

12th May '18 12:45:49 AM MayIncon
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** Some people were not a fan of several Johto Pokémon, such as Larvitar, Slugma, Houndour, Misdreavus, Murkrow, and Sneasel, being restricted to the Kanto post-game. Clefairy, Diglett, Chansey, Snorlax and Aerodactyl were also restricted to the Kanto post-game, which was an odd case for Chansey given that the Pokémon had a new Johto evolution in Blissey. With the exception of Slugma, this problem remained in the remakes, which added the Kanto starters and fossils[[note]]Johto Dex Pokémon missing from the originals[[/note]] to the mix (in particular, the Kanto starters can only be obtained after defeating [[TrueFinalBoss Red]], well past a point where they can be useful in-game).

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** Some people were not a fan of several Johto Pokémon, such as Larvitar, Slugma, Houndour, Misdreavus, Murkrow, and Sneasel, being restricted to the Kanto post-game. Clefairy, Diglett, Chansey, Snorlax and Aerodactyl were also restricted to the Kanto post-game, which was an odd case for Chansey given that the Pokémon had a new Johto evolution in Blissey. With the exception of Slugma, this problem remained in the remakes, which added the Kanto starters starters, fossils and fossils[[note]]Johto legendaries [[note]]Johto Dex Pokémon missing from the originals[[/note]] to the mix (in particular, the Kanto starters can only be obtained after defeating [[TrueFinalBoss Red]], well past a point where they can be useful in-game).
11th May '18 1:53:23 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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** Is his name Blue, or Green? It's definitely not Gary, though.
** Is it Gold or Ethan? It doesn't help that the male protagonist is not given a CanonName until the remakes.
9th Apr '18 10:05:20 AM Tavernier
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** Red, both in and out of universe. '''THE''' strongest trainer across the entire series at the time of release, brought down to second by Steven in ''Emerald'' only to regain his throne come HGSS. The fandom almost unanimously has come to agree that if anyone goes up against Red, they don't stand a chance. By characters in universe, his feats are talked about with a sort of awe, how a child from Pallet Town was able to take down Team Rocket, vanquish the Elite 4 and then... vanish without a trace.

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** Red, both in and out of universe. '''THE''' strongest trainer across the entire series at the time of release, brought down to second surpassed by Steven in ''Emerald'' and Barry in ''Platinum'' only to regain his throne come HGSS. The fandom almost unanimously has come to agree that if anyone goes up against Red, they don't stand a chance. By characters in universe, his feats are talked about with a sort of awe, how a child from Pallet Town was able to take down Team Rocket, vanquish the Elite 4 and then... vanish without a trace.



** Red already was in the original games, but his appearance in this game takes it UpToEleven. While Steven Stone had taken the "Most Powerful Trainer In The Series" title in ''Emerald,'' Red took it back here, which added fuel to the fire when it came to fans' belief that Red would never let anyone be better than him. Just look at some of his fanart, it screams badass.

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** Red already was in the original games, but his appearance in this game takes it UpToEleven. While Steven Stone had taken the "Most Powerful Trainer In The Series" title in ''Emerald,'' ''Emerald'' and was succeeded by Barry in ''Platinum'', Red took it back here, which added fuel to the fire when it came to fans' belief that Red would never let anyone be better than him. Just look at some of his fanart, it screams badass.
6th Apr '18 10:24:20 PM KOman
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** Wooper and its evolution Quagsire are liked for their simple yet adorable faces, as well as their simple-minded behavior. Quagsire is also a decent StoneWall commonly used to shut down Explosion users.
5th Apr '18 5:49:42 PM 493251gen
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** The remakes were a perfect opportunity to fix up the Johto gym leader teams to have more Pokémon from the region they're in. However, apart from a few level changes, and one of Clair's Dragonairs being replaced with a Gyarados, the teams stayed the same.

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** The remakes were a perfect opportunity to fix up the Johto gym leader teams to have more Pokémon from the region they're in. However, apart from a few level changes, and one of Clair's Dragonairs Dragonair being replaced with a Gyarados, the teams stayed the same.



** Despite the numerous improvements of the game; they still didn't (and because of game design) couldn't remove the low-level curve, which was the one persistent criticism the Johto games faced.

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** Despite the numerous improvements of to the game; game, they still didn't (and because and (because of game design) couldn't remove the low-level curve, which was the one persistent criticism the Johto games faced.



** '''Voltorb Flip'''. While there is a sizable portion of fans who like the game, there are notable flaws. For starters, some of the games come down to luck, rather than logic or skill, which jeopardizes your progress in that game and can send you down a few levels, back into lower payouts. As well, the payouts are small but get bigger as you level up, but it is still a heft grind for the 9,999-coin Porygon or 10,000+-coin TMs. And there's also the lack of an option to simply buy the coins with regular currency. And of course, none of this is helped by the Voltorb Flip replacing the fan-favorite Card-Flip and Slot Machine games to comply with the stricter PEGI ratings.

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** '''Voltorb Flip'''. While there is a sizable sizeable portion of fans who like the game, there are notable flaws. For starters, some of the games come down to luck, rather than logic or skill, which jeopardizes your progress in that game and can send you down a few levels, back into lower payouts. As well, the payouts are small but get bigger as you level up, but it is still a heft grind for the 9,999-coin Porygon or 10,000+-coin TMs. And there's also the lack of an option to simply buy the coins with regular currency. And of course, none of this is helped by the Voltorb Flip replacing the fan-favorite Card-Flip and Slot Machine games to comply with the stricter PEGI ratings.
31st Mar '18 10:39:39 PM Tavernier
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* AbandonShipping: For the undoubtedly small contingent of the fanbase that shipped Lance and Clair, it is now undoubtedly smaller due to the revelation that they're cousins.
28th Mar '18 1:28:08 PM Chasem
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** Some people were not a fan of several Johto Pokémon, such as Larvitar, Slugma, Houndour, Misdreavus, Murkrow, and Sneasel, being restricted to the Kanto post-game. Clefairy, Diglett, Chansey, Snorlax and Aerodactyl were also restricted to the Kanto post-game, which was an odd case for Chansey given that the Pokémon had a new Johto evolution in Blissey. With the exception of Slugma, this problem remained in the remakes, and added the Kanto starters and fossils to the mix (in particular, the Kanto starters can only be obtained after defeating [[TrueFinalBoss Red]], well past a point where they can be useful in-game).

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** Some people were not a fan of several Johto Pokémon, such as Larvitar, Slugma, Houndour, Misdreavus, Murkrow, and Sneasel, being restricted to the Kanto post-game. Clefairy, Diglett, Chansey, Snorlax and Aerodactyl were also restricted to the Kanto post-game, which was an odd case for Chansey given that the Pokémon had a new Johto evolution in Blissey. With the exception of Slugma, this problem remained in the remakes, and which added the Kanto starters and fossils fossils[[note]]Johto Dex Pokémon missing from the originals[[/note]] to the mix (in particular, the Kanto starters can only be obtained after defeating [[TrueFinalBoss Red]], well past a point where they can be useful in-game).
28th Mar '18 1:27:09 PM Chasem
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** Some people were not a fan of several Johto Pokémon, such as Larvitar, Slugma, Houndour, Misdreavus, Murkrow, and Sneasel, being restricted to the Kanto post-game. Clefairy, Diglett, Chansey, Snorlax and Aerodactyl were also restricted to the Kanto post-game, which was an odd case for Chansey given that the Pokémon had a new Johto evolution in Blissey. With the exception of Slugma, this problem remained in the remakes.

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** Some people were not a fan of several Johto Pokémon, such as Larvitar, Slugma, Houndour, Misdreavus, Murkrow, and Sneasel, being restricted to the Kanto post-game. Clefairy, Diglett, Chansey, Snorlax and Aerodactyl were also restricted to the Kanto post-game, which was an odd case for Chansey given that the Pokémon had a new Johto evolution in Blissey. With the exception of Slugma, this problem remained in the remakes.remakes, and added the Kanto starters and fossils to the mix (in particular, the Kanto starters can only be obtained after defeating [[TrueFinalBoss Red]], well past a point where they can be useful in-game).
28th Mar '18 1:25:02 PM Chasem
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** The Western 3DS Virtual Console release of ''Crystal'' does not enable the proto-GTS that is the Pokémon Communication Center, despite being on a console more than capable of handling its features.
24th Mar '18 10:31:51 PM Chasem
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* AuthorsSavingThrow: Two, concerning the Johto Pokédex.
** The New Pokédex in ''Gold'' and ''Silver'' included the Kanto starters, fossils and legendaries, which were unobtainable in-game except for Aerodactyl, making it a weird example of a regional Dex that required trading from a previous generation in order to complete (not to mention the popularity of the Pokémon that were excluded). ''[=HeartGold=]'' and ''[=SoulSilver=]'' keep them in the Johto Dex, but have them available at various points during the Kanto post-game.

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* AuthorsSavingThrow: Two, concerning the Johto Pokédex.
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** The New Pokédex in ''Gold'' and ''Silver'' included the Kanto starters, fossils and legendaries, which were unobtainable in-game except for Aerodactyl, making it a weird example of a regional Dex that required trading from a previous generation in order to complete (not to mention the popularity of the Pokémon that were excluded). ''[=HeartGold=]'' and ''[=SoulSilver=]'' keep them in the Johto Dex, but have them available at various points during the Kanto post-game.post-game, complete with full dungeons for the legendaries.
** The version of ''Kanto'' in ''Gold'' and ''Silver'' was seen as a big draw, but was also considered disappointing and limited by some players for omitting many of the region's landmarks (including the aforementioned dungeons for the bird trio and Mewtwo). The ''HGSS'' version of Kanto re-adds many features from the Kanto games to provide for a more complete second region.
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