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* FreudWasRight: Upon seeing Oshawott for the first time, some people mistook the seashell on its chest for a penis marking. (Long straight shape in the middle, rounded shapes on the sides.) Also, Reshiram sure chose a nice place to grow a [[FreudianSlip wang]] - WING! I meant wing!.

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* FreudWasRight: Upon seeing Oshawott for the first time, some people mistook the seashell on its chest for a penis marking. (Long straight shape in the middle, rounded shapes on the sides.) Also, Reshiram sure chose a nice place to grow a [[FreudianSlip wang]] - WING! I meant wing!.wing!



** Some fans find the tuft of fur between Reshiram's legs a bit, well, suggestive.
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** [[http://pokebeach.com/news/0610/black-white-character-cheren.jpg Cheren]] looks enough like a short-haired girl to be mistaken for a {{bifauxnen}} before the games' release. Doesn't help that the shirt under his coat looks exactly like [[PokemonGoldAndSilver Whitney's]].

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** [[http://pokebeach.com/news/0610/black-white-character-cheren.jpg Cheren]] looks enough like a short-haired girl to be mistaken for a {{bifauxnen}} before the games' release. Doesn't help that the shirt under his coat looks exactly like [[PokemonGoldAndSilver [[VideoGame/PokemonGoldAndSilver Whitney's]].
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** Another point is that [[spoiler:[[TykeBomb he had been raising N since childhood for his plan.]] While an official age for N is never given, he looks to be about eighteen or nineteen. A time skip between [[VideoGame/PokemonDiamondAndPearl Team Galactic's plan]] (which is referenced to by Cynthia) and Team Plasma's plan is never given, but if we take the three-year time skip of PokemonRedAndBlue and PokemonGoldAndSilver into account, Ghetsis may have been planning to take over Unova since ''before Red ever started his journey''.]]

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** Another point is that [[spoiler:[[TykeBomb he had been raising N since childhood for his plan.]] While an official age for N is never given, he looks to be about eighteen or nineteen. A time skip between [[VideoGame/PokemonDiamondAndPearl Team Galactic's plan]] (which is referenced to by Cynthia) and Team Plasma's plan is never given, but if we take the three-year time skip of PokemonRedAndBlue VideoGame/PokemonRedAndBlue and PokemonGoldAndSilver VideoGame/PokemonGoldAndSilver into account, Ghetsis may have been planning to take over Unova since ''before Red ever started his journey''.]]
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** There was a bit of an uproar over the '''cotton''' Pokémon being exclusive to the '''Black''' version.
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** Krookodile's big long nose. I swear, [[FanNickname if I hear it one more time]]...[[hottip:*:Dickhead. Penisnose. The list goes on.]]
** Some fans find the tuft of fur between Reshiram's legs a bit, well, suggestive.


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** Lilligant being based on a Southern Belle and exclusive to the '''''White''''' version [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything didn't help]].
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** [[spoiler:To drive it even further home, even fellow {{Complete Monster}}s like [[PokemonMysteryDungeon Darkrai]] and [[PokemonRanger Purple Eyes]] are at least shown to never be able to cause harm to anyone else again. Ghetsis, however, is still around, and it's hinted in the backstory that he's done far worse to N then we're shown to believe.]]

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** [[spoiler:To drive it even further home, even fellow {{Complete Monster}}s like [[PokemonMysteryDungeon [[VideoGame/PokemonMysteryDungeon Darkrai]] and [[PokemonRanger [[VideoGame/PokemonRanger Purple Eyes]] are at least shown to never be able to cause harm to anyone else again. Ghetsis, however, is still around, and it's hinted in the backstory that he's done far worse to N then we're shown to believe.]]



** Another point is that [[spoiler:[[TykeBomb he had been raising N since childhood for his plan.]] While an official age for N is never given, he looks to be about eighteen or nineteen. A time skip between [[PokemonDiamondAndPearl Team Galactic's plan]] (which is referenced to by Cynthia) and Team Plasma's plan is never given, but if we take the three-year time skip of PokemonRedAndBlue and PokemonGoldAndSilver into account, Ghetsis may have been planning to take over Unova since ''before Red ever started his journey''.]]

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** Another point is that [[spoiler:[[TykeBomb he had been raising N since childhood for his plan.]] While an official age for N is never given, he looks to be about eighteen or nineteen. A time skip between [[PokemonDiamondAndPearl [[VideoGame/PokemonDiamondAndPearl Team Galactic's plan]] (which is referenced to by Cynthia) and Team Plasma's plan is never given, but if we take the three-year time skip of PokemonRedAndBlue and PokemonGoldAndSilver into account, Ghetsis may have been planning to take over Unova since ''before Red ever started his journey''.]]
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* CompleteMonster: Ghetsis's acts at the end of the game, [[spoiler:plus his motives for exploiting N]], strap him to a Garchomp for his full-speed flight across the MoralEventHorizon. He's a strong competitor for the biggest Complete Monster in the series, [[PokemonDiamondAndPearl which is]] [[PokemonColosseum really]] [[PokemonRanger saying]] [[PokemonMysteryDungeon something.]]

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* CompleteMonster: Ghetsis's acts at the end of the game, [[spoiler:plus his motives for exploiting N]], strap him to a Garchomp for his full-speed flight across the MoralEventHorizon. He's a strong competitor for the biggest Complete Monster in the series, [[PokemonDiamondAndPearl [[VideoGame/PokemonDiamondAndPearl which is]] [[PokemonColosseum really]] [[PokemonRanger [[VideoGame/PokemonRanger saying]] [[PokemonMysteryDungeon [[VideoGame/PokemonMysteryDungeon something.]]
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* HilariousInHindsight: In ''PokemonRedAndBlue'', a female trainer in Rock Tunnel wished she could have a pink Pokémon with a floral pattern. Now, in Gen V, she's finally gotten her wish in the form of Munna! With the number of abandoned and eventually reused Pokémon designs, it could have been an injoke.
** A scientist in Devon Corp. back in ''[[PokemonRubyAndSapphire Ruby and Sapphire]]'' stated "I'm trying to develop a device that visually reproduces the dreams of POKÉMON... but it's not going well." Munna's evolution, Musharna, has an ability called "Dream Smoke", that lets you "sync" your Pokémon with the official website and do Minigames and such with it, and even catch special Pokémon.

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* HilariousInHindsight: In ''PokemonRedAndBlue'', ''VideoGame/PokemonRedAndBlue'', a female trainer in Rock Tunnel wished she could have a pink Pokémon with a floral pattern. Now, in Gen V, she's finally gotten her wish in the form of Munna! With the number of abandoned and eventually reused Pokémon designs, it could have been an injoke.
** A scientist in Devon Corp. back in ''[[PokemonRubyAndSapphire ''[[VideoGame/PokemonRubyAndSapphire Ruby and Sapphire]]'' stated "I'm trying to develop a device that visually reproduces the dreams of POKÉMON... but it's not going well." Munna's evolution, Musharna, has an ability called "Dream Smoke", that lets you "sync" your Pokémon with the official website and do Minigames and such with it, and even catch special Pokémon.
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* FanPreferredCouple: The main character (both the girl and the boy) x [[{{Bishounen}} N]] is already quite popular, as is shipping the player characters together, especially compared to past main character couples such as [[PokemonRedAndBlue Red x Leaf]], [[PokemonGoldAndSilver Ethan x Kris or Lyra]], [[PokemonRubyAndSapphire Brendan x May]], and [[PokemonDiamondAndPearl Lucas x Dawn]]. This may be due to the characters being older this time around, [[AndTheFandomRejoiced as well as both playable characters being pretty warmly received by the fandom for the first time in a while]].

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* FanPreferredCouple: The main character (both the girl and the boy) x [[{{Bishounen}} N]] is already quite popular, as is shipping the player characters together, especially compared to past main character couples such as [[PokemonRedAndBlue [[VideoGame/PokemonRedAndBlue Red x Leaf]], [[PokemonGoldAndSilver [[VideoGame/PokemonGoldAndSilver Ethan x Kris or Lyra]], [[PokemonRubyAndSapphire [[VideoGame/PokemonRubyAndSapphire Brendan x May]], and [[PokemonDiamondAndPearl [[VideoGame/PokemonDiamondAndPearl Lucas x Dawn]]. This may be due to the characters being older this time around, [[AndTheFandomRejoiced as well as both playable characters being pretty warmly received by the fandom for the first time in a while]].



*** [[spoiler:The scene where N takes Hilda (when she's the protagonist) [[FerrisWheelDateMoment on the ferris wheel]] has become the new [[PokemonGoldAndSilver "Silver rips off Lyra's Team Rocket disguise."]]]]

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*** [[spoiler:The scene where N takes Hilda (when she's the protagonist) [[FerrisWheelDateMoment on the ferris wheel]] has become the new [[PokemonGoldAndSilver [[VideoGame/PokemonGoldAndSilver "Silver rips off Lyra's Team Rocket disguise."]]]]
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** Only six [=HMs=] are in the game, including Dive for the first time since [[PokemonRubyAndSapphire Hoenn]].

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** Only six [=HMs=] are in the game, including Dive for the first time since [[PokemonRubyAndSapphire [[VideoGame/PokemonRubyAndSapphire Hoenn]].
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** His robes were probably meant to keep with the yin-yang theme of the game, but he ends up looking like [[TheLegendOfZeldaWindWaker Wind Waker's Ganondorf]] walked through a paintball fight. The chunky red monocle, triangular hair fringes, and his hilariously skinny ankles on display just put the last nails in the design coffin. If he weren't such a CompleteMonster, nobody would've taken him seriously.

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** His robes were probably meant to keep with the yin-yang theme of the game, but he ends up looking like [[TheLegendOfZeldaWindWaker [[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaTheWindWaker Wind Waker's Ganondorf]] walked through a paintball fight. The chunky red monocle, triangular hair fringes, and his hilariously skinny ankles on display just put the last nails in the design coffin. If he weren't such a CompleteMonster, nobody would've taken him seriously.
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** Well he is [[spoiler:N's father, who must have [[EstrogenBrigadeBait gotten his good looks from somewhere.]] ]]If it wasn't for those ridiculous clothes, he'd be second to [[{{Monster}} Johan Liebert]] as the [[EvilIsSexy sexiest contender]] for [[CompleteMonster "most evil person in history."]] He's already won awards for [[EstrogenBrigadeBait most handsome]] [[AbusiveParents abusive]] [[HotDad father.]]

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** Well he is [[spoiler:N's father, who must have [[EstrogenBrigadeBait gotten his good looks from somewhere.]] ]]If it wasn't for those ridiculous clothes, he'd be second to [[{{Monster}} [[Anime/{{Monster}} Johan Liebert]] as the [[EvilIsSexy sexiest contender]] for [[CompleteMonster "most evil person in history."]] He's already won awards for [[EstrogenBrigadeBait most handsome]] [[AbusiveParents abusive]] [[HotDad father.]]
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*** To add to that there is one Plasma grunt who actually says "I won't tolerate anyone with different ideals". The thought process of every arrogant religious bigot is possibly lampshaded here.
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* HighOctaneNightmareFuel: [[{{HighOctaneNightmareFuel/PokemonBlackAndWhite}} Has it's own page]].

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** [[spoiler:Was the entirety of Team Plasma sans Ghetsis truly StupidGood {{Well Intentioned Extremist}}s who thought they were doing the right thing a la N, or were some in on Ghetsis's true intentions and merely playing up the facade in order to gain brownie points from the guy when he finished his conquering? The Sages at the very least seem aware, since they slip up occasionally and refer to Ghetsis as their leader (followed by him correcting them that he's one of the Sages and supposedly no more powerful than the rest of them). Similarly, they hint that N's desire to fight the player is interfering with Ghetsis's plans. Then there's the fact that the Shadow Triad is loyal to Ghetsis even after he reveals the truth... Heck, the two grunts who [[KickTheDog kick the Munna]] early on hint that they were aware that Ghetsis was lying.]]

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** [[spoiler:Was the entirety of Team Plasma sans Ghetsis truly StupidGood {{Well Intentioned Extremist}}s who thought they were doing the right thing a à la N, or were some in on Ghetsis's true intentions and merely playing up the facade in order to gain brownie points from the guy when he finished his conquering? The Sages at the very least seem aware, since they slip up occasionally and refer to Ghetsis as their leader (followed by him correcting them that he's one of the Sages and supposedly no more powerful than the rest of them). Similarly, they hint that N's desire to fight the player is interfering with Ghetsis's plans. Then there's the fact that the Shadow Triad is loyal to Ghetsis even after he reveals the truth... Heck, the two grunts who [[KickTheDog kick the Munna]] early on hint that they were aware that Ghetsis was lying.]]



** No Gen I-IV Pokémon pre-National Dex. Which means '''no more [[GoddamnedBats Zubats, Tentacools, and Geodudes]]'''.

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** No Gen Generation I-IV Pokémon pre-National prior to obtaining the National Dex. Which means '''no more [[GoddamnedBats Zubats, Tentacools, and Geodudes]]'''.



** There are 156 new Pokémon. That's more than have EVER been introduced at once.

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** There are 156 new Pokémon. That's more than have EVER been introduced at once.once in a generation.



** And we finally have a fully-evolved pure Dragon (all previous fully-evolved and Legendary Dragons have been dual-types).
*** And a non-evolving pure Dragon with Druddigon.
*** As well as our first three-stage pure Ice-type line and our first pure Steel-type evolutionary line.

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** And we finally have a fully-evolved pure Dragon Dragon, Haxorus (all previous fully-evolved and Legendary Dragons have been dual-types).
*** And a non-evolving pure Dragon Dragon-type with Druddigon.
*** As well as our first three-stage pure Ice-type line (Vanillite, Vannillish, Vanilluxe) and our first pure Steel-type evolutionary line.line (Klink, Klang, Klinklang).



** On the competitive side of things, there has been a backlash over the fact that when battling via Wi-Fi or console link, the opponent's entire team (and their nicknames) are all revealed, without an option to turn this feature off (in the manner of ''PokemonStadium'', ''PokemonColosseum'', and ''Pokémon Battle Revolution''), as seen [[http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=79432 here]]. Some see it as a welcome addition to competitive tactics, and others believe that it will [[RuinedFOREVER ruin the metagame forever.]] Also counts as an example of TheyChangedItNowItSucks.

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** On the competitive side of things, there has been a backlash over the fact that when battling via Wi-Fi or console link, the opponent's entire team (and their nicknames) are all revealed, without an option to turn this feature off (in the manner of ''PokemonStadium'', ''PokemonColosseum'', ''PokemonColosseum'' and ''PokemonXD'', and ''Pokémon Battle Revolution''), as seen [[http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=79432 here]]. Some see it as a welcome addition to competitive tactics, and others believe that it will [[RuinedFOREVER ruin the metagame forever.]] Also counts as an example of TheyChangedItNowItSucks.
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** On the competitive side of things, there has been a backlash over the fact that when battling via Wi-Fi or console link, the opponent's entire team (and their nicknames) are all revealed, without an option to turn this feature off (in the manner of PokemonStadium, PokemonColosseum, and Pokémon Battle Revolution), as seen [[http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=79432 here]]. Some see it as a welcome addition to competitive tactics, and others believe that it will [[RuinedFOREVER ruin the metagame forever.]] Also counts as an example of TheyChangedItNowItSucks.

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** On the competitive side of things, there has been a backlash over the fact that when battling via Wi-Fi or console link, the opponent's entire team (and their nicknames) are all revealed, without an option to turn this feature off (in the manner of PokemonStadium, PokemonColosseum, ''PokemonStadium'', ''PokemonColosseum'', and Pokémon ''Pokémon Battle Revolution), Revolution''), as seen [[http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=79432 here]]. Some see it as a welcome addition to competitive tactics, and others believe that it will [[RuinedFOREVER ruin the metagame forever.]] Also counts as an example of TheyChangedItNowItSucks.
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** [[spoiler:N- his father could give [[PokemonColosseum Cipher]] a run for its money in [[CompleteMonster sheer callousness]]. That's grounds for a hug right there. And Concordia's words just make it even sadder: "N's heart is pure and innocent. But there is nothing more beautiful and terrifying than innocence."]]
*** [[spoiler:''PokemonSpecial'' is already trying to make you feel sorry for him. When he spots White's Pokémon-loaning company (BetterThanItSounds, I swear) he says, while in tears, "Even here... Pokémon are being used by humans." And this was his ''first appearance''.]]

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** [[spoiler:N- his father could give [[PokemonColosseum Cipher]] a run for its money in [[CompleteMonster sheer callousness]]. That's grounds for a hug right there. And Concordia's words just make it even sadder: "N's heart is pure and innocent. But there is nothing more beautiful and terrifying than innocence."]]
*** [[spoiler:''PokemonSpecial'' is already trying to make you feel sorry for him. When he spots White's Pokémon-loaning company (BetterThanItSounds, I swear) he says, while in tears, "Even here... Pokémon are being used by humans." And this was his ''first appearance''.]]
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* CompleteMonster: Ghetsis's acts at the end of the game, [[spoiler:plus his motives for exploiting N]], strap him to a Garchomp for his full-speed flight across the MoralEventHorizon. He's a strong competitor for the biggest Complete Monster in the series, [[PokemonDiamondAndPearl which is]] [[PokemonColosseum really]] [[PokemonRanger saying]] [[PokemonMysteryDungeon something.]]
** Where to begin? Ghetsis [[spoiler:deliberately neglected N and raised him with Pokémon that had been abused by humans so that N would [[TykeBomb grow up to hate other humans and relate to Pokémon better than them]]. All of this was for the purpose of making N the "hero" who could control Reshiram/Zekrom for him so he could use it for his own goals. When defeated, he mocks N for this very reason, and calls him a warped, defective boy incapable of understanding humans. So , he's very likely surpassed Cyrus in terms of horrific evil. At least Cyrus started out with good intentions and [[CryForTheDevil had an explanation for why he became the horrible person he became]].]]
** [[spoiler:To drive it even further home, even fellow {{Complete Monster}}s like [[PokemonMysteryDungeon Darkrai]] and [[PokemonRanger Purple Eyes]] are at least shown to never be able to cause harm to anyone else again. Ghetsis, however, is still around, and it's hinted in the backstory that he's done far worse to N then we're shown to believe.]]
** To make this ''worse'' (as if he needed it), in the post-game, [[spoiler:one of the sages says he doesn't think N and Ghetsis are actually related. If that's true, where must N have come from...?]]
** Another point is that [[spoiler:[[TykeBomb he had been raising N since childhood for his plan.]] While an official age for N is never given, he looks to be about eighteen or nineteen. A time skip between [[PokemonDiamondAndPearl Team Galactic's plan]] (which is referenced to by Cynthia) and Team Plasma's plan is never given, but if we take the three-year time skip of PokemonRedAndBlue and PokemonGoldAndSilver into account, Ghetsis may have been planning to take over Unova since ''before Red ever started his journey''.]]
** [[spoiler:To make things ''even more worse,'' well, think about the name "N." Not really a name, right? More of a moniker or designation than anything else. This has two horrifying implications. 1) Ghetsis saw his own son as nothing more than a tool to be easily used and discarded without a second thought from the get-go. 2) ''What happened to A through M?!'']]
** Something else that's horrifying about him is he states [[spoiler:he actually enjoys the moment when someone crosses the DespairEventHorizon and have lost all hope. This man is a sadist that enjoys crushing people's spirits!]]
*** [[spoiler: [[FridgeHorror Imagine]] [[ForTheEvulz how he felt]] when he did so to N!]]
** Most villians of the CompleteMonster category get that way due to [[ForTheEvulz being ungodly cruel and sadistic]], or planning to do horrible things to many people. [[spoiler:Ghetsis]] has managed to reach this level of evil [[spoiler:through his [[AbusiveParents relationship]] to his son ''alone.'']] When you reach the spot in Hell where the [[DystopiaJustifiesTheMeans hell-raising psychopath]] [[spoiler:Darkrai]] and the [[MindRape mindraping]] Team Cipher are desitned to go, you truly are [[CompleteMonster the Devil]] [[MeaningfulName in Music.]]



*** And if it's still not enough, she got her Munna stolen. She got it back, but still...

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*** And if it's still not enough, she got her Munna stolen. She got it back, but still...still...
** [[spoiler:N- his father could give [[PokemonColosseum Cipher]] a run for its money in [[CompleteMonster sheer callousness]]. That's grounds for a hug right there. And Concordia's words just make it even sadder: "N's heart is pure and innocent. But there is nothing more beautiful and terrifying than innocence."]]
*** [[spoiler:''PokemonSpecial'' is already trying to make you feel sorry for him. When he spots White's Pokémon-loaning company (BetterThanItSounds, I swear) he says, while in tears, "Even here... Pokémon are being used by humans." And this was his ''first appearance''.]]
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* CompleteMonster: Ghetsis's acts at the end of the game, [[spoiler:plus his motives for exploiting N]], strap him to a Garchomp for his full-speed flight across the MoralEventHorizon. He's a strong competitor for the biggest Complete Monster in the series, [[PokemonDiamondAndPearl which is]] [[PokemonColosseum really]] [[PokemonRanger saying]] [[PokemonMysteryDungeon something.]]
** Where to begin? Ghetsis [[spoiler:deliberately neglected N and raised him with Pokémon that had been abused by humans so that N would [[TykeBomb grow up to hate other humans and relate to Pokémon better than them]]. All of this was for the purpose of making N the "hero" who could control Reshiram/Zekrom for him so he could use it for his own goals. When defeated, he mocks N for this very reason, and calls him a warped, defective boy incapable of understanding humans. So , he's very likely surpassed Cyrus in terms of horrific evil. At least Cyrus started out with good intentions and [[CryForTheDevil had an explanation for why he became the horrible person he became]].]]
** [[spoiler:To drive it even further home, even fellow {{Complete Monster}}s like [[PokemonMysteryDungeon Darkrai]] and [[PokemonRanger Purple Eyes]] are at least shown to never be able to cause harm to anyone else again. Ghetsis, however, is still around, and it's hinted in the backstory that he's done far worse to N then we're shown to believe.]]
** To make this ''worse'' (as if he needed it), in the post-game, [[spoiler:one of the sages says he doesn't think N and Ghetsis are actually related. If that's true, where must N have come from...?]]
** Another point is that [[spoiler:[[TykeBomb he had been raising N since childhood for his plan.]] While an official age for N is never given, he looks to be about eighteen or nineteen. A time skip between [[PokemonDiamondAndPearl Team Galactic's plan]] (which is referenced to by Cynthia) and Team Plasma's plan is never given, but if we take the three-year time skip of PokemonRedAndBlue and PokemonGoldAndSilver into account, Ghetsis may have been planning to take over Unova since ''before Red ever started his journey''.]]
** [[spoiler:To make things ''even more worse,'' well, think about the name "N." Not really a name, right? More of a moniker or designation than anything else. This has two horrifying implications. 1) Ghetsis saw his own son as nothing more than a tool to be easily used and discarded without a second thought from the get-go. 2) ''What happened to A through M?!'']]
** Something else that's horrifying about him is he states [[spoiler:he actually enjoys the moment when someone crosses the DespairEventHorizon and have lost all hope. This man is a sadist that enjoys crushing people's spirits!]]
*** [[spoiler: [[FridgeHorror Imagine]] [[ForTheEvulz how he felt]] when he did so to N!]]
** Most villians of the CompleteMonster category get that way due to [[ForTheEvulz being ungodly cruel and sadistic]], or planning to do horrible things to many people. [[spoiler:Ghetsis]] has managed to reach this level of evil [[spoiler:through his [[AbusiveParents relationship]] to his son ''alone.'']] When you reach the spot in Hell where the [[DystopiaJustifiesTheMeans hell-raising psychopath]] [[spoiler:Darkrai]] and the [[MindRape mindraping]] Team Cipher are desitned to go, you truly are [[CompleteMonster the Devil]] [[MeaningfulName in Music.]]



** [[spoiler:N- his father could give [[PokemonColosseum Cipher]] a run for its money in [[CompleteMonster sheer callousness]]. That's grounds for a hug right there. And Concordia's words just make it even sadder: "N's heart is pure and innocent. But there is nothing more beautiful and terrifying than innocence."]]
*** [[spoiler:''PokemonSpecial'' is already trying to make you feel sorry for him. When he spots White's Pokémon-loaning company (BetterThanItSounds, I swear) he says, while in tears, "Even here... Pokémon are being used by humans." And this was his ''first appearance''.]]
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* CompleteMonster: Ghetsis's acts at the end of the game, [[spoiler:plus his motives for exploiting N]], strap him to a Garchomp for his full-speed flight across the MoralEventHorizon. He's a strong competitor for the biggest Complete Monster in the series, [[PokemonDiamondAndPearl which is]] [[PokemonColosseum really]] [[PokemonRanger saying]] [[PokemonMysteryDungeon something.]]
** Where to begin? Ghetsis [[spoiler:deliberately neglected N and raised him with Pokémon that had been abused by humans so that N would [[TykeBomb grow up to hate other humans and relate to Pokémon better than them]]. All of this was for the purpose of making N the "hero" who could control Reshiram/Zekrom for him so he could use it for his own goals. When defeated, he mocks N for this very reason, and calls him a warped, defective boy incapable of understanding humans. So , he's very likely surpassed Cyrus in terms of horrific evil. At least Cyrus started out with good intentions and [[CryForTheDevil had an explanation for why he became the horrible person he became]].]]
** [[spoiler:To drive it even further home, even fellow {{Complete Monster}}s like [[PokemonMysteryDungeon Darkrai]] and [[PokemonRanger Purple Eyes]] are at least shown to never be able to cause harm to anyone else again. Ghetsis, however, is still around, and it's hinted in the backstory that he's done far worse to N then we're shown to believe.]]
** To make this ''worse'' (as if he needed it), in the post-game, [[spoiler:one of the sages says he doesn't think N and Ghetsis are actually related. If that's true, where must N have come from...?]]
** Another point is that [[spoiler:[[TykeBomb he had been raising N since childhood for his plan.]] While an official age for N is never given, he looks to be about eighteen or nineteen. A time skip between [[PokemonDiamondAndPearl Team Galactic's plan]] (which is referenced to by Cynthia) and Team Plasma's plan is never given, but if we take the three-year time skip of PokemonRedAndBlue and PokemonGoldAndSilver into account, Ghetsis may have been planning to take over Unova since ''before Red ever started his journey''.]]
** [[spoiler:To make things ''even more worse,'' well, think about the name "N." Not really a name, right? More of a moniker or designation than anything else. This has two horrifying implications. 1) Ghetsis saw his own son as nothing more than a tool to be easily used and discarded without a second thought from the get-go. 2) ''What happened to A through M?!'']]
** Something else that's horrifying about him is he states [[spoiler:he actually enjoys the moment when someone crosses the DespairEventHorizon and have lost all hope. This man is a sadist that enjoys crushing people's spirits!]]
*** [[spoiler: [[FridgeHorror Imagine]] [[ForTheEvulz how he felt]] when he did so to N!]]
** Most villians of the CompleteMonster category get that way due to [[ForTheEvulz being ungodly cruel and sadistic]], or planning to do horrible things to many people. [[spoiler:Ghetsis]] has managed to reach this level of evil [[spoiler:through his [[AbusiveParents relationship]] to his son ''alone.'']] When you reach the spot in Hell where the [[DystopiaJustifiesTheMeans hell-raising psychopath]] [[spoiler:Darkrai]] and the [[MindRape mindraping]] Team Cipher are desitned to go, you truly are [[CompleteMonster the Devil]] [[MeaningfulName in Music.]]
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* CompleteMonster: Ghetsis's acts at the end of the game, [[spoiler:plus his motives for exploiting N]], strap him to a Garchomp for his full-speed flight across the MoralEventHorizon. He's a strong competitor for the biggest Complete Monster in the series, [[PokemonDiamondAndPearl which is]] [[PokemonColosseum really]] [[PokemonRanger saying]] [[PokemonMysteryDungeon something.]]
** Where to begin? Ghetsis [[spoiler:deliberately neglected N and raised him with Pokémon that had been abused by humans so that N would [[TykeBomb grow up to hate other humans and relate to Pokémon better than them]]. All of this was for the purpose of making N the "hero" who could control Reshiram/Zekrom for him so he could use it for his own goals. When defeated, he mocks N for this very reason, and calls him a warped, defective boy incapable of understanding humans. So , he's very likely surpassed Cyrus in terms of horrific evil. At least Cyrus started out with good intentions and [[CryForTheDevil had an explanation for why he became the horrible person he became]].]]
** [[spoiler:To drive it even further home, even fellow {{Complete Monster}}s like [[PokemonMysteryDungeon Darkrai]] and [[PokemonRanger Purple Eyes]] are at least shown to never be able to cause harm to anyone else again. Ghetsis, however, is still around, and it's hinted in the backstory that he's done far worse to N then we're shown to believe.]]
** To make this ''worse'' (as if he needed it), in the post-game, [[spoiler:one of the sages says he doesn't think N and Ghetsis are actually related. If that's true, where must N have come from...?]]
** Another point is that [[spoiler:[[TykeBomb he had been raising N since childhood for his plan.]] While an official age for N is never given, he looks to be about eighteen or nineteen. A time skip between [[PokemonDiamondAndPearl Team Galactic's plan]] (which is referenced to by Cynthia) and Team Plasma's plan is never given, but if we take the three-year time skip of PokemonRedAndBlue and PokemonGoldAndSilver into account, Ghetsis may have been planning to take over Unova since ''before Red ever started his journey''.]]
** [[spoiler:To make things ''even more worse,'' well, think about the name "N." Not really a name, right? More of a moniker or designation than anything else. This has two horrifying implications. 1) Ghetsis saw his own son as nothing more than a tool to be easily used and discarded without a second thought from the get-go. 2) ''What happened to A through M?!'']]
** Something else that's horrifying about him is he states [[spoiler:he actually enjoys the moment when someone crosses the DespairEventHorizon and have lost all hope. This man is a sadist that enjoys crushing people's spirits!]]
*** [[spoiler: [[FridgeHorror Imagine]] [[ForTheEvulz how he felt]] when he did so to N!]]
** Most villians of the CompleteMonster category get that way due to [[ForTheEvulz being ungodly cruel and sadistic]], or planning to do horrible things to many people. [[spoiler:Ghetsis]] has managed to reach this level of evil [[spoiler:through his [[AbusiveParents relationship]] to his son ''alone.'']] When you reach the spot in Hell where the [[DystopiaJustifiesTheMeans hell-raising psychopath]] [[spoiler:Darkrai]] and the [[MindRape mindraping]] Team Cipher are desitned to go, you truly are [[CompleteMonster the Devil]] [[MeaningfulName in Music.]]
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** The evolved forms of Tepig are '''yet''' another Fire/Fighting starter. Thanks to an UnpleasableFanbase, it seems people focused their dislike on Tepig's evolutions being the third consecutive Fire/Fighting starter.

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** The evolved forms of Tepig are '''yet''' another Fire/Fighting starter. Thanks to an UnpleasableFanbase, it seems people focused their dislike on Tepig's evolutions being the third consecutive Fire/Fighting starter.
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* BaseBreaker: Skyla is either [[EnsembleDarkhorse adored for her Fanservice-y outfit]] or [[TheScrappy loathed for the same reason]].
** Scraggy and Scrafty are either cute, UglyCute or just plain ugly depending on who you ask.
** Munna and Musharna (especially Musharna) are considered adorable by some fans and creepy by others.
** N is starting to become this, although a lot of it is merely that [[ItsPopularNowItSucks He's Popular, Now He Sucks]]. There are also many people, though, who denounce him as being less {{Badass}} than previous Poke-villains like Giovanni or Cyrus.
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** Even the CopyProtection in the roms has this to some degree. Several people are hailing the lack of Experience as the new [[SelfImposedChallenge Nuzlocke Challenge]], [[SubjectiveTrope but as always]], YourMileageMayVary.

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** Even the CopyProtection in the roms has this to some degree. Several people are hailing the lack of Experience as the new [[SelfImposedChallenge Nuzlocke Challenge]], [[SubjectiveTrope but as always]], YourMileageMayVary.Challenge]].
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** The version exclusives may invoke this as well. Black version gets the [[UnfortunateImplications cotton line]], Smoochum-esque goth line, and the vulture [[DarkestAfrica with a bone through its hair]]. Meanwhile, White version gets a [[DeepSouth southern belle]] and [[{{Eaglelander}} American Eagle]], but also the [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking cellular reproduction Pokémon]].

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** The version exclusives may invoke this as well. Black version gets the [[UnfortunateImplications cotton line]], Smoochum-esque goth line, and the vulture [[DarkestAfrica with a bone through its hair]]. Meanwhile, White version gets a [[DeepSouth southern belle]] and [[{{Eaglelander}} [[{{Eagleland}} American Eagle]], but also the [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking cellular reproduction Pokémon]].
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** Team Plasma is rather strongly based on Christianity, with their Templar-like uniforms, talk about "saving" Pokemon, and use of the Chi Rho, an ancient symbol used to represent Jesus, as a symbol. They're also a deranged hypocritical terrorist cult [[spoiler:being manipulated by a fraudulent leader in his attempt to gain power.]]
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* CrazyAwesome / RuleOfCool: Several Pokémon, especially some of the more audacious combinations, run on this. A buffalo with an afro, a jousting bug, a samurai otter/seal/sea lion, a mecha/golem, a HenshinHero, an eagle with the US color scheme, an ice cream, gangster crocodile, punk lizard, the three freak'n musketeers, a trio of giant elemental dragons with aspects of Taoist ''and'' Norse mythology, a robotic insect with a laser on its back, a killer dinosaur-bird, and last but not least, a mummy Pokémon whose ability is the Pokémon equivalent of the zombie plague.
** Within that group, Vanillite and its evolutions. And nevermind the fact it's an Ice cream, but the champion has one!

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* CrazyAwesome / RuleOfCool: Several Pokémon, especially some of the more audacious combinations, run on this. A buffalo with an afro, a jousting bug, a samurai otter/seal/sea lion, a mecha/golem, mecha/golem ghost, a HenshinHero, an eagle with the US color scheme, an ice cream, cream cone, gangster crocodile, punk lizard, the three freak'n freaking musketeers, a trio of giant elemental dragons with aspects of Taoist ''and'' Norse mythology, a robotic insect with a laser on its back, a killer dinosaur-bird, and last but not least, a mummy Pokémon whose ability is the Pokémon equivalent of the zombie plague.
** Within that group, Vanillite and its evolutions. And nevermind the fact it's an Ice cream, but they're a bunch of ice cream cones; the champion has one!

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*** Burgh is in between two gyms that are fairly difficult, but is easily taken care of. Likewise, Iris or Drayden is really almost too easy at that point in the game, as your Pokemon will easily be the same level and they only use 3.

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*** His signature Pokemon also has an extremely low base defense of 30 which puts it at risk of being KOed even by Tackle. There is no way anyone programming this could have thought this guy would be a challenge.
*** Burgh is in between two gyms that are fairly difficult, but is easily taken care of. Likewise, Iris or Drayden is really almost too easy at that point in the game, as your Pokemon will easily be the same level and they only use 3. Their premier Pokemon's main attack also forces it to move last, which ignores its own Dragon Dance boosts and exacerbates its unimpressive hit-taking ability.

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