History YMMV / Pippin

23rd Dec '17 1:55:00 PM ArgonianLorekeeper
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: It's very easy to add different interpretations to The Leading Player, especially if they're played by different genders. For example, some versions with a female Leading Player portray her as [[TheVamp a vamp]] and as a [[BettyAndVeronica Veronica to Catherine's Betty]].
** The Troper once saw a production with a male Leading Player whose interactions with Catherine made it clear that that the two were in [[DomesticAbuse a possibly abusive relationship]]. This made his anger with Catherine's part much creepier and her adoration of Pippin's kindness much more desperate and sad.

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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: AlternateCharacterInterpretation:
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It's very easy to add different interpretations to The Leading Player, especially if they're played by different genders. For example, some versions with a female Leading Player portray her as [[TheVamp a vamp]] and as a [[BettyAndVeronica Veronica to Catherine's Betty]].
** The Troper once saw a There is at least one production with a male Leading Player whose interactions with Catherine made make it clear that that the two were are in [[DomesticAbuse a possibly abusive relationship]]. This made makes his anger with Catherine's part much creepier and her adoration of Pippin's kindness much more desperate and sad.



* OneSceneWonder: Berthe is in one scene and has one song. And yet her song is among the most famous in the musical, and she often gets the most applause at curtain calls.
** More precisely, ''Berthe'' is in only one scene, but the player who acts the Berthe part may appear briefly at other points (such as the graduation scene) and joins the rest of the troupe for the GrandFinale.
** Andrea Martin's turn as Berthe in the revival was so great that they gave her a line in "Magic To Do"... specifically "Humor, handled by a master".
*** Actually, that's scripted going back to the original published edition following the Fosse production, but it was rarely enforced in actual practice (based on YouTube clips, the original Broadway cast recording, and the version filmed for TV in 1981, Lewis usually got that line in Fosse-directed-or-inspired productions); given Andrea Martin's celebrity and her performance, however, it's hardly surprising she actually got the line her character was assigned.

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* OneSceneWonder: OneSceneWonder:
**
Berthe is in one scene and has one song. And yet her song is among the most famous in the musical, and she often gets the most applause at curtain calls.
** More precisely, ''Berthe'' is in only one scene, but the player who acts the Berthe part may appear briefly at other points (such as the graduation scene) and joins the rest of the troupe for the GrandFinale.
** Andrea Martin's turn as Berthe in the revival was so great that they gave her a line in "Magic To Do"... specifically "Humor, handled by a master".
*** Actually, that's scripted
master". This was, in fact, going back to the original published edition following the Fosse production, but it was rarely enforced in actual practice (based on YouTube clips, the original Broadway cast recording, and the version filmed for TV in 1981, Lewis usually got that line in Fosse-directed-or-inspired productions); given Andrea Martin's celebrity and her performance, however, it's hardly surprising she actually got the line her character was assigned.practice.
4th Dec '17 9:53:28 PM StrixObscuro
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* NightmareFuel: "Glory" is a juxtaposition of catchy music and surreal gore that can be extremely unsettling when handled skillfully.
** When Catherine starts to break character: "He touched my face--''the others never did that.''" [[FridgeHorror Wait, others?]] [[spoiler: Just how many "Pippins" have been led to their doom?]]

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* NightmareFuel: NightmareFuel:
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"Glory" is a juxtaposition of catchy music and surreal gore that can be extremely unsettling when handled skillfully.
** The 1981 TV version of "With You" shows Pippin getting increasingly in over his head as his new "friends" push him towards voyeurism, drugs, sadomasochism, and random hookups, and by the time he realizes that they're using him, they've discarded any pretense of caring about his safety.
** When Catherine starts to break character: "He touched my face--''the others never did that.''" [[FridgeHorror Wait, others?]] [[spoiler: Just [[spoiler:Just how many "Pippins" have been led to their doom?]]
10th Jun '15 12:13:31 AM thesoundofmusic1991
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** "We've got parts to preform, ''hearts to '''warm'''...''

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** "We've got parts to preform, perform, ''hearts to '''warm'''...''
31st May '15 9:48:27 PM Patachou
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* EvilIsSexy: Fastrada, obviously. But to a lesser extent, Leading Player. Whether played by a man or woman his/her choreography is usually quite sexual, not surprising since this show was originally directed and choreographed by BobFosse.

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* EvilIsSexy: Fastrada, obviously. But to a lesser extent, Leading Player. Whether played by a man or woman his/her choreography is usually quite sexual, not surprising since this show was originally directed and choreographed by BobFosse.Creator/BobFosse.
9th Mar '15 4:21:18 AM grabaham
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*** Actually, that's scripted going back to the original published edition following the Fosse production, but it was rarely enforced in actual practice (based on YouTube clips, the original Broadway cast recording, and the version filmed for TV in 1981, Lewis usually got that line in Fosse-directed-or-inspired productions); given Andrea Martin's celebrity and her performance, however, it's hardly surprising she actually got the line her character was assigned.
15th Jan '15 5:18:28 PM monkeypizzasonic
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* FamilyUnfriendlyAesop: [[spoiler: Searching for fulfillment and satisfaction in life will only lead to self-destruction, and a normal boring life, while happy, will always leave you feeling trapped and unfulfilled. So don't wish for freedom, kids. Also a normal life will never have magic in it.]]
15th Jan '15 4:56:18 PM monkeypizzasonic
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** "We've got parts to preform, ''hearts to '''warm'''...''
15th Jan '15 4:54:56 PM monkeypizzasonic
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* SpaceWhaleAesop: [[spoiler: Don't listen to those voices in your head encouraging you to seek fame and glory because they really just want you to set yourself on fire.]]
13th Sep '14 9:05:51 PM TheDiva
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** When Catherine starts to break character: "He touched my face--''the others never did that.''" [[FridgeHorror Wait, others?]] [[spoiler: Just how many "Pippins" have been led to their doom?]]
10th Sep '14 11:22:37 AM capretty
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: It's very easy to add different interpretations to The Leading Player, especially if they're played by different genders. For example, some versions with a female Leading Player portray her as [[TheVamp a vamp]] and as a [[BettyAndVeronica Veronica to Catherine's Betty]].
** The Troper once saw a production with a male Leading Player whose interactions with Catherine made it clear that that the two were in [[DomesticAbuse a possibly abusive relationship]]. This made his anger with Catherine's part much creepier and her adoration of Pippin's kindness much more desperate and sad.
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