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** Fans were once again annoyed by the game's Western release being digital-only. Like with ''Dual Destinies,'' many argued it was still better than [[VisualNovel/GyakutenKenji2 not getting the game localized at all]], but others argued back that it was not enough and that limiting options for customers was unacceptable.
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This risks being a self fulfilling spoiler, so I'm hiding both names instead.


** Bonny [[spoiler:and Betty]] for their eclectic, likeable personality and having one of the most creative courtroom schticks in the game -- though Bonny is liked far more than [[spoiler:Betty]] for being much nicer.

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** Bonny [[spoiler:and [[spoiler:Bonny and Betty]] for their eclectic, likeable personality and having one of the most creative courtroom schticks in the game -- though Bonny [[spoiler:Bonny]] is liked far more than [[spoiler:Betty]] for being much nicer.



* ViewerPronunciationConfusion: Some fans, at least at first, misinterpret the [[PunnyName pun]] on Datz Are'bal (which is "that's a rebel") as "that's our ball", and may pronounce the name accordingly. Then again, Datz is very much a goof''ball'', so the "incorrect" pun does make a bit of sense.

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* ViewerPronunciationConfusion: Some fans, at least at first, misinterpret the [[PunnyName pun]] on Datz Are'bal (which is "that's a rebel") as "that's our ball", and may pronounce the name accordingly. Then again, Datz is very much a goof''ball'', so the "incorrect" pun does make a bit of sense.



** [[spoiler: Owen. The poor kid watches as Geiru murders his mentor and then gets framed for it.]]

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** [[spoiler: Owen.[[spoiler:Owen. The poor kid watches as Geiru murders his mentor and then gets framed for it.]]
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** [[spoiler:Roger Retinz is a surprisingly difficult enemy for an early case. Illusionists are skilled at deception by default and he's a character whose occupation is mirrored in his testimonies instead of just a personality quirk. His vendetta against Trucy makes him far more determined to best her and gives an insight into just how fearsome the gramaryes can be when they're against you. Beating him is difficult, engaging, and utterly cathartic.]]

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** [[spoiler:Roger Retinz is a surprisingly difficult enemy for an early case. Illusionists are skilled at deception by default and he's a character whose occupation is mirrored in his testimonies instead of just a personality quirk. His vendetta against Trucy makes him far more determined to best her and gives an insight into just how fearsome the gramaryes Gramaryes can be when they're against you. Beating him is difficult, engaging, and utterly cathartic.]]
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* RonTheDeathEater: Nahyuta Sadhmadi is undeniably quite the relentless jerk to the defense and is quick to demonize the defendant, but he's otherwise quite civil and polite. He's quite fair with Ema, reasonably critical when he feels she's siding too much with the defense but extensively praises her when he believes she's done a good job, is more respectful towards the judge than arguably any other prosecutor in the series, and is shown to be quite understanding with witnesses (so long as they're cooperative and don't lie, anyway). And yet these good points tend to get ignored by a decent portion of the fandom, with his bad points commonly exaggerated and some made up entirely to suit the purposes of those that dislike him (such as supposedly being an abusive boss towards Ema).
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* ArcFatigue: "Turnabout Revolution," and ''not'' because it takes two trials -- although there would probably have been fewer complaints on that count had the civil trial been labelled as Case 5, and the Khura'in segment as Case 6. The second trial just goes on and on that some fans joke about losing count how many times the "To Be Continued" card appears on the screen.

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* ArcFatigue: "Turnabout Revolution," Revolution", and ''not'' because it takes two trials -- although there would probably have been fewer complaints on that count had the civil trial been labelled as Case 5, and the Khura'in segment as Case 6. The second trial just goes on and on that some fans joke about losing count how many times the "To Be Continued" card appears on the screen.

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* {{Adorkable}}: AccidentalInnuendo: The phrasing leading up to the forensics investigation in 6-2 sounds a bit like Ema offering herself up for an [[APartyAlsoKnownAsAnOrgy orgy]].
-->'''Ema:''' Would you like to partake in my delicious dessert? I don't mind sharing.\\
'''Athena:''' Oh, yes, please! There's always room for dessert, right?!\\
'''Apollo:''' All right... I guess I'll join you two.
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** Rayfa is pretty divisive, especially since the character is part of [[{{Tsundere}} a divisive archetype]]. Detractors find her haughty and abrasive attitude absolutely insufferable and her later situation and CharacterDevelopment impossible to invest in or empathize with. Fans instead find her attitude {{Adorkable}}, feeling that detractors are exaggerating her negative qualities, and argue that, even setting CharacterDevelopment aside, she represents an interesting new take on the series' traditionally supportive and friendly assistants, and that the gameplay mechanics she introduces in trials are fun twists on the series' formulas.
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** Ahlbi Urgaid. The variation of his "Shock" animation where he perches himself on one foot...before leaning too far and falling over entirely, is clumsy and adorable.

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** Ahlbi Urgaid.Ur'gaid. The variation of his "Shock" animation where he perches himself on one foot... before leaning too far and falling over entirely, is clumsy and adorable.

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** The Khura'inese Judge is beloved for being the one ReasonableAuthorityFigure in Khura'in and someone who has shown to genuinely seek justice, unlike the other Khura'inese people at trials who chanted death every chance they got at both Phoenix and the defendants. What truly cemented him as an EnsembleDarkHorse, though, was him [[ShutUpHannibal standing up to Rayfa]] and having her removed from the courtroom in the first case.



** The Khura'inese Judge is beloved for literally being the one ReasonableAuthorityFigure in Khura'in and someone who has shown to genuinely seeks justice, unlike the other Khura'inese people at trials who chanted death every chance they got at both Phoenix and the defendants. What truly cemented him as an Ensemble Dark Horse, though, was no doubt him standing up to Rayfa and having her removed from the courtroom in the first case.
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* ViewerNameConfusion: Some fans, at least at first, misinterpret the [[PunnyName pun]] on Datz Are'bal (which is "that's a rebel") as "that's our ball", and may pronounce the name accordingly. Then again, Datz is very much a goof''ball'', so the "incorrect" pun does make a bit of sense.

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* ViewerNameConfusion: ViewerPronunciationConfusion: Some fans, at least at first, misinterpret the [[PunnyName pun]] on Datz Are'bal (which is "that's a rebel") as "that's our ball", and may pronounce the name accordingly. Then again, Datz is very much a goof''ball'', so the "incorrect" pun does make a bit of sense.
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** For a number of people, everything about [[spoiler:Ga'ran]] in the final trial can be this [[spoiler:due to her ridiculous EvilAttires that border on unapologetic {{Fanservice}}, or how rather easy it can be to deduce that she's the true culprit and BigBad of the game]].

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** For a number of people, everything about [[spoiler:Ga'ran]] in the final trial can be this [[spoiler:due to her ridiculous EvilAttires evil attires that border on unapologetic {{Fanservice}}, or how rather easy it can be to deduce that she's the true culprit and BigBad of the game]].
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** The fact that the two Asinine Attorney episodes are not ported to iOS and Android. On one hand, many fans didn't like those episodes, anyway and a sub-group from that group were actually quite glad that Capcom didn't waste their energy porting those and channeled their energy into polishing the port instead. On the other hand, there are fans who quite enjoyed those chapters, or are intrigued by the chapters because they don't live in a region who have access to the eShop and want to experience everything AA, regardless of the quality.

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** The fact that the two Asinine Attorney episodes are not ported to iOS and Android.Android, and are not present in the ''Trilogy'' rerelease. On one hand, many fans didn't like those episodes, anyway and a sub-group from that group were actually quite glad that Capcom didn't waste their energy porting those and channeled their energy into polishing the port instead. On the other hand, there are fans who quite enjoyed those chapters, or are intrigued by the chapters because they don't live in a region who have access to the eShop and want to experience everything AA, regardless of the quality.
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* DisappointingLastLevel: The revisualization segment of Turnabout Time Traveler is widely considered the most underwhelming to date, and to many players feels more like it's only there out of obligation, having only three questions with the first two being painfully obvious. The first question effectively amounts to [[CaptainObvious "the murderer used the murder weapon"]], a fact people have mercilessly mocked this revisualization for ever since. Part of the problem is the revisualization's placement in the narrative, as instead of taking place when the defense is on a dire spot and the culprit is about to get away with everything, it happens when the culprit is already pretty much cornered and the defense is simply readying to deliver the final blow, so the whole thing can also come across as an AntiClimax.

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* DisappointingLastLevel: The revisualization segment of Turnabout "Turnabout Time Traveler Traveler" is widely considered the most underwhelming to date, and to many players feels more like it's only there out of obligation, having only three questions with the first two being painfully obvious. The first question effectively amounts to [[CaptainObvious "the murderer used the murder weapon"]], a fact people have mercilessly mocked this revisualization for ever since. Part of the problem is the revisualization's placement in the narrative, as instead of taking place when the defense is on in a dire spot and the culprit is about to get away with everything, it happens when the culprit is already pretty much cornered and the defense is simply readying to deliver the final blow, so the whole thing can also come across as an AntiClimax.
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* DisappointingLastLevel: The revisualization segment of Turnabout Time Traveler is widely considered the most underwhelming to date, and to many players feels more like it's only there out of obligation, having only three questions with the first two being painfully obvious. The first question effectively amounts to [[CaptainObvious "the murderer used the murder weapon"]], a fact people have mercilessly mocked this revisualization for ever since. Part of the problem is the revisualization's placement in the narrative, as instead of taking place when the defense is on a dire spot and the culprit is about to get away with everything, it happens when the culprit is already pretty much cornered and the defense is simply readying to deliver the final blow, so the whole thing can also come across as an AntiClimax.
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** "Turnabout Time Traveler" is presented as a NostalgiaLevel, featuring Phoenix and Maya facing off against Edgeworth, with Larry as a witness, as well as making several nods to the original trilogy such as the murder weapon being a clock or one of Larry's drawings being used as evidence. However, many fans lamented that this intended nostalgia trip isn't complete without Gumshoe, who hasn't been seen since ''VisualNovel/GyakutenKenji2'' and had just received a quick indirect mention in "Turnabout Revolution"; to those fans, this was the obvious case to [[TheBusCameBack bring him back]], and the fact that he was passed over for Ema is seen as a waste.

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** "Turnabout Time Traveler" is presented as a NostalgiaLevel, featuring Phoenix and Maya facing off against Edgeworth, with Larry as a witness, as well as making several nods to the original trilogy such as the murder weapon being a clock or one of Larry's drawings being used as evidence. However, many fans lamented that this intended nostalgia trip isn't complete without Gumshoe, who hasn't been seen since ''VisualNovel/GyakutenKenji2'' and had just received a quick indirect mention in "Turnabout Revolution"; to those fans, this was the obvious case to [[TheBusCameBack bring him back]], and the fact that he was passed over for Ema is seen as a waste.waste, even if it gets a [[CharacterRerailment freshly re-railed Ema]] a bit more screentime.
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* ViewerNameConfusion: Some fans, at least at first, misinterpret the [[PunnyName pun]] on Datz Are'bal (which is "that's a rebel") as "that's our ball", and may pronounce the name accordingly. Then again, Datz is very much a goof''ball'', so the "incorrect" pun does make a bit of sense.
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* ImprovedSecondAttempt: This game's finale has another go at a plot point that had already been used in the finale of ''[[VisualNovel/AceAttorneyInvestigationsMilesEdgeworth Investigations]]'', namely that [[spoiler:the BigBad is virtually untouchable due to being in a powerful political position, and can only be formally indicted after being stripped of said position]]. But while the first time, this was strongly disliked, this time around the fans were okay with it. The key difference is that in ''Investigations'', [[spoiler:Alba is fired from the embassy offscreen early into his confrontation, when Lang, who was last seen leaving with a wounded leg, takes the evidence of his crimes to the Allebahstian imperial household, and to many players this felt cheap and like a DeusExMachina that virtually made Alba's diplomatic immunity not matter to the plot]]; while in ''Spirit of Justice'', [[spoiler:the player themselves take away Gar'an's power by presenting evidence that she's an illegitimate ruler, and this is only accomplished at the very end of the trial, making it feel a lot more earned; furthermore, the fact Ga'ran kept changing the law throughout the trial to hinder Apollo makes it feel like her power carries a lot more weight in the conflict]].

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* ImprovedSecondAttempt: This game's finale has another go at a plot point that had already been used in the finale of ''[[VisualNovel/AceAttorneyInvestigationsMilesEdgeworth Investigations]]'', namely that [[spoiler:the BigBad is virtually untouchable due to being in a powerful political position, and can only be formally indicted after being stripped of said position]]. But while the first time, this was strongly disliked, this time around the fans were okay with it.it (albeit the case was still criticized [[ArcFatigue for a different shared trait]]). The key difference is that in ''Investigations'', [[spoiler:Alba is fired from the embassy offscreen early into his confrontation, when Lang, who was last seen leaving with a wounded leg, takes the evidence of his crimes to the Allebahstian imperial household, and to many players this felt cheap and like a DeusExMachina that virtually made Alba's diplomatic immunity not matter to the plot]]; while in ''Spirit of Justice'', [[spoiler:the player themselves take away Gar'an's power by presenting evidence that she's an illegitimate ruler, and this is only accomplished at the very end of the trial, making it feel a lot more earned; furthermore, the fact Ga'ran kept changing the law throughout the trial to hinder Apollo makes it feel like her power carries a lot more weight in the conflict]].
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** "Turnabout Time Traveler" is presented as a NostalgiaLevel, featuring Phoenix and Maya facing off against Edgeworth, with Larry as a witness, as well as making several nods to the original trilogy such as the murder weapon being a clock or one of Larry's drawings being used as evidence. However, many fans lamented that this intended nostalgia trip isn't complete without Gumshoe, who hasn't been seen since ''VisualNovel/GyakutenKenji2'' and had just received a quick indirect mention in "Turnabout Revolution"; to those fans, this was the obvious case to [[TheBusCameBack bring him back]], and the fact that he was passed over for Ema is seen as a waste.
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* ImprovedSecondAttempt: This game's finale has another go at a plot point that had already been used in the finale of ''[[VisualNovel/AceAttorneyInvestigationsMilesEdgeworth Investigations]]'', namely that [[spoiler:the BigBad is virtually untouchable due to being in a powerful political position, and can only be formally indicted after being stripped of said position]]. But while the first time, this was strongly disliked, this time around the fans were okay with it. The key difference is that in ''Investigations'', [[spoiler:Alba is fired from the embassy offscreen early into his confrontation, when Lang, who was last seen leaving with a wounded leg, takes the evidence of his crimes to the Allebahstian imperial household, and to many players this felt cheap and like a DeusExMachina that virtually made Alba's diplomatic immunity not matter to the plot]]; while in ''Spirit of Justice'', [[spoiler:the player themselves take away Gar'an's power by presenting evidence that she's an illegitimate ruler, and this is only accomplished at the very end of the trial, making it feel a lot more earned; furthermore, the fact Ga'ran kept changing the law throughout the trial to hinder Apollo makes it feel like her power carries a lot more weight in the conflict]].
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Investigations 2 now has its own page


** Fans were once again annoyed by the game's Western release being digital-only. Like with ''Dual Destinies,'' many argued it was still better than [[VisualNovel/AceAttorneyInvestigationsMilesEdgeworth not getting the game localized at all]], but others argued back that it was not enough and that limiting options for customers was unacceptable.

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** Fans were once again annoyed by the game's Western release being digital-only. Like with ''Dual Destinies,'' many argued it was still better than [[VisualNovel/AceAttorneyInvestigationsMilesEdgeworth [[VisualNovel/GyakutenKenji2 not getting the game localized at all]], but others argued back that it was not enough and that limiting options for customers was unacceptable.
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''YMMV/{{Ace Attorney Investigations|MilesEdgeworth}}'' | ''YMMV/GyakutenKenji2'' | ''YMMV/TheGreatAceAttorney''\\

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''YMMV/{{Ace Attorney Investigations|MilesEdgeworth}}'' | ''YMMV/TheGreatAceAttorney''\\

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** Bonny de Famme. Just look at that cute CatSmile she gives, how meek she is, and how much genuine enthusiasm she puts into her work. It's also cute to see her fangirl over Trucy. She's even fairly clumsy and a tad shy.

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** Bonny de Famme. Just look at that cute CatSmile PlayfulCatSmile she gives, how meek she is, and how much genuine enthusiasm she puts into her work. It's also cute to see her fangirl over Trucy. She's even fairly clumsy and a tad shy.
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* IKnewIt:
** A lot of people predicted that Trucy was going to be a defendant, thanks to multiple screenshots showing a magic show while Trucy herself was conspicuously absent.
** Many people guessed that Maya would return when trailers showed Phoenix traveling to a country called the "Kingdom of Kurain", though this was more wishful thinking than anything... until it was actually confirmed. Following this, quite a few people predicted that her propensity to get accused as a murderer would come back to haunt her even overseas and that ended up being the plot of "The Rite of Turnabout".
** Many people guessed Apollo's deceased father was a musician (as he was originally only described as a performer of some kind), to complement his then wife's singing talent.

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** [[spoiler: Owen. The poor kid watches as Geiru murders his mentor and then gets framed for it.]]



** The whole business with Paul Atishon[[spoiler:-Wimperson]]'s EmbarrassingLastName was made up for the English localization, as the corresponding bit in the Japanese original revolved around different ways of reading the characters that made up his name. The English language doesn't have anything remotely similar to that, so the localization team had to come up with an entirely different way of solving that particular puzzle.

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** The whole business with Paul Atishon[[spoiler:-Wimperson]]'s EmbarrassingLastName was made up for the English localization, localization as the corresponding bit in the Japanese original revolved around different ways of an alternate solution for a puzzle. In Japanese, his e-mail address is an alternate reading the characters that made up of his name. The name's kanji followed by his birth date. English language doesn't have anything remotely similar any real equivalent, so they added an extra bit to that, so his last name and then made the localization team had to come up with an entirely different way of solving that particular puzzle.address his full initials followed by his birth date.

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Cut as discussed under Cleanup. Nahyuta has much more haters than defenders, so he doesn’t fit the criteria. His writing is clearly flawed and even his fans don’t fight against the criticism of him much. While he likely has to many defenders to be listed as The Scrappy, there’s just a huge unequal balance between those who love and hate him


** New prosecutor Nahyuta Sahdmadhi. Some consider him funny and like him for showing the aggression and vindictiveness that [[HeroAntagonist Klavier Gavin]] did not in ''VisualNovel/ApolloJusticeAceAttorney'', but others find him insufferable. Nahyuta's tendency to insult the defense and at the defendant and his self-righteous remarks have grated on a part of the audience, who consider that his attitude is way overdone. When it was revealed that his attitude [[spoiler:was a façade done to protect his mother and his sister]], some accepted his excuse, but others were critical of this plot twist. Nahyuta's detractors believe that while he could have kept [[spoiler:his façade]] in America to avoid suspicion by [[spoiler:Apollo or Ga'ran]], he was too hateful to be excused, particularly when he took deliberate advantage of Athena's attunement to emotions to have the public gallery bully her in "Turnabout Storyteller". The other main criticism is that the plot twist is inconsistent with the creed [[spoiler:"A dragon never yields"]] that Nahyuta mentions at "Turnabout Revolution."
** Dhurke has also become one. [[spoiler:Is he a badass revolutionary and not only a great parent, but one of the best in the entire franchise? Or is he a horrible parent who not only dumped Apollo in a foreign country while running off and hiding with his biological family (even having another child to boot) and seemingly left Nahyuta to the wolves (unless you take the interpretation that Nahyuta should have asked him for help) until he could pass off rescuing him onto Apollo, but is a naïve idealist whose methods really don't work on a dictator at the level Ga'ran was at? For that matter, did Apollo forgive him too easily?]]

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** New prosecutor Nahyuta Sahdmadhi. Some consider him funny and like him for showing the aggression and vindictiveness that [[HeroAntagonist Klavier Gavin]] did not in ''VisualNovel/ApolloJusticeAceAttorney'', but others find him insufferable. Nahyuta's tendency to insult the defense and at the defendant and his self-righteous remarks have grated on a part of the audience, who consider that his attitude is way overdone. When it was revealed that his attitude [[spoiler:was a façade done to protect his mother and his sister]], some accepted his excuse, but others were critical of this plot twist. Nahyuta's detractors believe that while he could have kept [[spoiler:his façade]] in America to avoid suspicion by [[spoiler:Apollo or Ga'ran]], he was too hateful to be excused, particularly when he took deliberate advantage of Athena's attunement to emotions to have the public gallery bully her in "Turnabout Storyteller". The other main criticism is that the plot twist is inconsistent with the creed [[spoiler:"A dragon never yields"]] that Nahyuta mentions at "Turnabout Revolution."
** Dhurke has also become one. [[spoiler:Is he a badass revolutionary and not only a great parent, but one of the best in the entire franchise? Or is he a horrible parent who not only dumped Apollo in a foreign country while running off and hiding with his biological family (even having another child to boot) and seemingly left Nahyuta to the wolves (unless you take the interpretation that Nahyuta should have asked him for help) until he could pass off rescuing him onto Apollo, but is a naïve idealist whose methods really don't work on a dictator at the level Ga'ran was at? For that matter, did Apollo forgive him too easily?]]
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Evil Is Sexy has been dewicked.


* EvilIsSexy:
** [[spoiler:Queen Ga'ran]], especially once she [[spoiler:takes over as the final prosecutor]] in an outfit which not only makes her look more cruel and witch-like, but which leaves little to the imagination.
** [[spoiler:Geiru Toneido]], albeit as an AntiVillain example.
** On the male side of things, [[spoiler:Pierce Nichody]] may very well be the most handsome culprit in the series, though like [[spoiler:Geiru]], he's more a TragicVillain than anything.
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Grammar.


** For a number of people, everything about [[spoiler:Ga'ran]] in the final trial can be this [[spoiler:due to her ridiculous EvilAttires that border on unapologetic {{Fanservice}}, or how rather easy she can be to deduce that she's the true culprit and BigBad of the game]].

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** For a number of people, everything about [[spoiler:Ga'ran]] in the final trial can be this [[spoiler:due to her ridiculous EvilAttires that border on unapologetic {{Fanservice}}, or how rather easy she it can be to deduce that she's the true culprit and BigBad of the game]].
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** Finding out Puhray Zeh'lot's real name [[spoiler:(Rheel Neh'mu)]] is often pointed out as the tipping point for many players to stop taking Case 3 seriously.

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** Finding out Puhray Zeh'lot's a certain character's real name [[spoiler:(Rheel Neh'mu)]] is often pointed out as the tipping point for many players to stop taking Case 3 seriously.
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** Finding out Puhray Zeh'lot's real name [[spoiler:(Rheel Neh'mu)]] is often pointed out the tipping point for many players to stop taking Case 3 seriously.

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** Finding out Puhray Zeh'lot's real name [[spoiler:(Rheel Neh'mu)]] is often pointed out the tipping point for many players to stop taking Case 3 seriously.

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