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** Apollo and Trucy's relationship. [[spoiler:Though ''Apollo Justice'' reveals their siblings, this is the second game to sidestep Apollo and Trucy finding out. Some fans are okay with this since the post-credits scene hints that the reveal is coming soon while others feel it's a cop out, especially since the game addresses but the Gramaryes and Apollo's biological father.]]

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** Apollo and Trucy's relationship. [[spoiler:Though ''Apollo Justice'' reveals their they're siblings, this is the second game to sidestep Apollo and Trucy finding out. Some fans are okay with this since the post-credits scene hints that the reveal is coming soon while others feel it's a cop out, especially since the game addresses but the Gramaryes and Apollo's biological father.stretched out plot line.]]
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**Apollo and Trucy's relationship. [[spoiler:Though ''Apollo Justice'' reveals their siblings, this is the second game to sidestep Apollo and Trucy finding out. Some fans are okay with this since the post-credits scene hints that the reveal is coming soon while others feel it's a cop out, especially since the game addresses but the Gramaryes and Apollo's biological father.]]
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*** to be fair though, the original series had use of super natrual phonenon in the original triology and Apollo Justice; Maya is a spirit medium, Phoenix uses a magatama to see if people are lying, Apollo and Trucy can read body movements, etc.
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* EvenBetterSequel: When compared to ''Dual Destinies'', it's generally agreed that ''Spirit of Justice'' is a notable improvement over the previous game, mainly thanks to it being more challenging, returning several beloved mechanics as well as introducing new ones like the Divination Seánce, as well as having a great storyline [[spoiler:that gives Apollo a heavy amount of CharacterDevelopment and even makes him the protagonist of the story even more so than his debut game.]]
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* MoralEventHorizon: The officials leading the Kingdom of Khura'in's genocidal DisproportionateRetribution against defense attorneys have seemingly crossed this before the game's even out. This way of thinking may have also brought Gaspen Payne along for the ride (it's one thing to be a jerk in a courtroom where it's assumed both parties are on equal footing but he enjoys working in Khura'in purely because he can get everyone sentenced guilty without any objection, which basically puts him on the same footing as Manfred von Karma).

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* MoralEventHorizon: The officials leading the Kingdom of Khura'in's genocidal DisproportionateRetribution against defense attorneys have seemingly crossed this before the game's even out. This way of thinking may have also brought Gaspen Payne along for the ride (it's one thing to be a jerk in a courtroom where it's assumed both parties are on equal footing but he enjoys working in Khura'in purely because he can get everyone sentenced guilty without any objection, which basically puts him on the same footing as Manfred von Karma).Karma), and he is quite willing to put Phoenix in a position where he will be ''executed'' all in the name of revenge for his and his brother's defeats at Phoenix's hands.
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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Potdino Nikawas became popular very quickly after his design was unveiled, with many fans endearingly calling him "Kurain Jesus". [[spoiler: And he only became even more popular during the stream when he revealed his true personality: a HotBlooded musician who can pull off quite an EpicRiff]]

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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Potdino Nikawas Pees'lubn Andistan'dhin became popular very quickly after his design was unveiled, with many fans endearingly calling him "Kurain Jesus". [[spoiler: And he only became even more popular during the stream when he revealed his true personality: a HotBlooded musician who can pull off quite an EpicRiff]]
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* FanNickname: "Kurain Jesus", for Potdino Nikawas. [[spoiler:After the stream, "Heavy Metal Jesus" became just as, if not more, popular for the same.]]

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* FanNickname: "Kurain Jesus", for Potdino Nikawas.Pees'lubn Andistan'dhin. [[spoiler:After the stream, "Heavy Metal Jesus" became just as, if not more, popular for the same.]]
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* FanNickname: "Kurain Jesus", for Potdino Nikawas. [[spoiler:After the stream, "Heavy Metal Jesus" became just as, if not more, popular for the same.]]
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** As it turns out, the officials were just being impulsive...but then we have [[spoiler:Garan, who deliberately ''caused'' all that and god-knows-how-much misery to her family and nation purely for an amoral power grab.]]
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** Fans are annoyed that once again the game will not be getting a physical retail release, only getting a digital [=eShop=] release. Others are shouting them down and saying it's better that they're getting the game at all and to "just accept the digital future".

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** Fans are annoyed that once again the game will not be getting a physical retail release, only getting a digital [=eShop=] release. Others are shouting them down and saying it's better that they're getting the game at all and to "just accept the digital future". Countering this, many point out that it's unfair that they're getting a digital-only release whereas Japan has both physical and digital options, and that the physical format is better than the digital one in several ways. Even then, many point out that it's still better than [[VisualNovel/DaiGyakutenSaibanNaruhodouRyuunosukeNoBouken not getting the game localized at all]], but some would argue it's not enough and that limiting options for customers is unacceptable.
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** [[spoiler: TheReveal of Druk's death. Apollo has to prove a suspect disappears from a closed chamber by channeling. Since only Druk and Maya was found alive in the room, and Maya is pretty much alive, Apollo comes to the conclusion that the Druk they met after the murder is the suspect all along. At first he doesn't want to believe it. But after the judge calls for another thorough search of the murder scene, Ema reluctantly reports that Druk's body was found hidden in a coffin. This causes a severe breakdown to both Apollo and Nayuta, whom Druk was a father figure to (In fact, he is Nayuta's biological father). Apollo keeps shouting "Please let my theory be wrong!" all the time and bangs his head onto the desk when his theory is confirmed. He even goes into a BSOD and starts questioning why he became an attorney in the first place.]]
* ViewerGenderConfusion: It's really hard to tell what gender Nayuta Saadmadhi is, whose face borders on looking like a {{Bifauxnen}} woman and a very {{Bishonen}} man. It doesn't help that his gender wasn't mentioned at all when the character was announced. The anime prologue finally resolved this by showing he has a clearly masculine voice.

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** [[spoiler: TheReveal of Druk's death. Apollo has to prove a suspect disappears from a closed chamber by channeling. Since only Druk and Maya was found alive in the room, and Maya is pretty much alive, Apollo comes to the conclusion that the Druk they met after the murder is the suspect all along. At first he doesn't want to believe it. But after the judge calls for another thorough search of the murder scene, Ema reluctantly reports that Druk's body was found hidden in a coffin. This causes a severe breakdown to both Apollo and Nayuta, Nahyuta, whom Druk was a father figure to (In fact, he is Nayuta's Nahyuta's biological father). Apollo keeps shouting "Please let my theory be wrong!" all the time and bangs his head onto the desk when his theory is confirmed. He even goes into a BSOD and starts questioning why he became an attorney in the first place.]]
* ViewerGenderConfusion: It's really hard to tell what gender Nayuta Saadmadhi Nahyuta Sahdmadhi is, whose face borders on looking like a {{Bifauxnen}} woman and a very {{Bishonen}} man. It doesn't help that his gender wasn't mentioned at all when the character was announced. The anime prologue finally resolved this by showing he has a clearly masculine voice.
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** And then there's the ending. Does it [[spoiler: give Apollo some pretty good developement by allowing him to stand on his own]], or is it a [[spoiler: cheap way to write him off the series]]? Though the fanbase has become slightly less broken when the post-credits scene came, which [[spoiler: teases us with resolution of the Gramarye plotline, giving Apollo a chance to return.]]
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** [[spoiler: The truth about Case 3, Turnabout Ritual. Ogamu/Fon Myou was killed by Sara because she caught him snooping around the revolutionary's secret base. To quote, she had to kill a person whom she thought as a son just to hide the fact that she and her husband are part of the revolutionary army. Malmel found out about this and make it look like it was Maya who killed him. He later then commit suicide and again make it as if he had been murdered by Maya all just to save his pregnant wife from persecution because the law demanded that, if a person is found guilty, those related to him and his defense attorney be found equally guilty. Remember, one piece of the evidence is a picture of the four of them happily having a meal like a family, and it is broken all just because of one law. Made even more heart wrenching is the final goodbye between Sara and Malmel, who is channeled by Maya during the trial.]]

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** [[spoiler: The truth about Case 3, Turnabout Ritual. Ogamu/Fon Myou was killed by Sara Saara because she caught him snooping around the revolutionary's secret base. To quote, she had to kill a person whom she thought as a son just to hide the fact that she and her husband are part of the revolutionary army. Malmel found out about this and make made it look like it was Maya who killed him. He later then commit committed suicide and again make made it as if he had been murdered by Maya all just to save his pregnant wife from persecution because the law demanded that, if a person is found guilty, those related to him and his defense attorney be found equally guilty. Remember, one piece of the evidence is a picture of the four of them happily having a meal like a family, and it is broken all just because of one law. Made even more heart wrenching is the final goodbye between Sara Saara and Malmel, who is channeled by Maya during the trial.]]
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** [[spoiler: The truth about Case 3, Turnabout Ritual. Ogam/Fon Myou was killed by Sara because she caught him snooping around the revolutionary's secret base. To quote, she had to kill a person whom she thought as a son just to hide the fact that she and her husband are part of the revolutionary army. Malmel found out about this and make it look like it was Maya who killed him. He later then commit suicide and again make it as if he was murdered by Maya all just to save his pregnant wife from persecution because the law demanded that if a person his found guilty, those related to him and his defense attorney are to be found equally guilty. Remember, one piece of the evidence is a picture of the four of them happily having a meal like a family does, and it is broken all just because of one law. Made even more heart wrenching is the final goodbye between Sara and Malmel, channeled by Maya during the trial.]]
** [[spoiler: TheReveal of Druk's death. Apollo has to prove a suspect disappears from a closed chamber by channeling. Since only Druk and Maya was found alive in the room, and Maya is pretty much alive, Apollo comes to the conclusion that the Druk they met after the murder is the suspect all along. At first he doesn't want to believe it. But after the judge calls for another thorough search of the murder scene, Ema reluctantly reports that Druk's body was found hidden in a coffin. This causes a severe breakdown to both Apollo and Nayuta, whom Druk was a father figure to (In fact, he is Nayuta's biological father). Apollo keeps shouting "Please let my theory be wrong!" all the time and bangs his head onto the desk when his theory is confirmed. He even went into a BSOD and starts questioning why did he become an attorney in the first place.]]

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** [[spoiler: The truth about Case 3, Turnabout Ritual. Ogam/Fon Ogamu/Fon Myou was killed by Sara because she caught him snooping around the revolutionary's secret base. To quote, she had to kill a person whom she thought as a son just to hide the fact that she and her husband are part of the revolutionary army. Malmel found out about this and make it look like it was Maya who killed him. He later then commit suicide and again make it as if he was had been murdered by Maya all just to save his pregnant wife from persecution because the law demanded that that, if a person his is found guilty, those related to him and his defense attorney are to be found equally guilty. Remember, one piece of the evidence is a picture of the four of them happily having a meal like a family does, family, and it is broken all just because of one law. Made even more heart wrenching is the final goodbye between Sara and Malmel, who is channeled by Maya during the trial.]]
** [[spoiler: TheReveal of Druk's death. Apollo has to prove a suspect disappears from a closed chamber by channeling. Since only Druk and Maya was found alive in the room, and Maya is pretty much alive, Apollo comes to the conclusion that the Druk they met after the murder is the suspect all along. At first he doesn't want to believe it. But after the judge calls for another thorough search of the murder scene, Ema reluctantly reports that Druk's body was found hidden in a coffin. This causes a severe breakdown to both Apollo and Nayuta, whom Druk was a father figure to (In fact, he is Nayuta's biological father). Apollo keeps shouting "Please let my theory be wrong!" all the time and bangs his head onto the desk when his theory is confirmed. He even went goes into a BSOD and starts questioning why did he become became an attorney in the first place.]]
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** [[spoiler: The truth about Case 3, Turnabout Ritual. Ogam/Fon Myou was killed by Sara because she caught him snooping around the revolutionary's secret base. To quote, she had to kill a person whom she thought as a son just to hide the fact that she and her husband are part of the revolutionary army. Malmel found out about this and make it look like it was Maya who killed him. He later then commit suicide and again make it as if he was murdered by Maya all just to save his pregnant wife from persecution because the law demanded that if a person his found guilty, those related to him and his defense attorney are to be found equally guilty. Remember, one piece of the evidence is a picture of the four of them happily having a meal like a family does, and it is broken all just because of one law. Made even more heart wrenching is the final goodbye between Sara and Malmel, channeled by Maya during the trial.]]
** [[spoiler: TheReveal of Druk's death. Apollo has to prove a suspect disappears from a closed chamber by channeling. Since only Druk and Maya was found alive in the room, and Maya is pretty much alive, Apollo comes to the conclusion that the Druk they met after the murder is the suspect all along. At first he doesn't want to believe it. But after the judge calls for another thorough search of the murder scene, Ema reluctantly reports that Druk's body was found hidden in a coffin. This causes a severe breakdown to both Apollo and Nayuta, whom Druk was a father figure to (In fact, he is Nayuta's biological father). Apollo keeps shouting "Please let my theory be wrong!" all the time and bangs his head onto the desk when his theory is confirmed. He even went into a BSOD and starts questioning why did he become an attorney in the first place.]]

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* MemeticMutation: It was common to assume that Apollo had died, given the subtitle of this game. Of course, being Apollo, [[{{Jossed}} he's]] [[CatchPhrase fine]], but even after a trailer revealed Apollo as being in the game alive and well, the jokes didn't stop.

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It was common to assume that Apollo had died, given the subtitle of this game. Of course, being Apollo, [[{{Jossed}} he's]] [[CatchPhrase fine]], but even after a trailer revealed Apollo as being in the game alive and well, the jokes didn't stop.
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** The turnabout which involves Apollo facing against Phoenix led to numerous [[CaptainAmericaCivilWar Civil War]] jokes, largely because of the similarity of the conflict between the heroes.

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** The turnabout which involves Apollo facing against Phoenix led to numerous [[CaptainAmericaCivilWar [[Film/CaptainAmericaCivilWar Civil War]] jokes, largely because of the similarity of the conflict between the heroes.
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** The turnabout which involves Apollo facing against Phoenix led to numerous [[CaptainAmericaCivilWar Civil War]] jokes, largely because of the similarity of the conflict between the heroes.
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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Potdino Nikawas became popular very quickly after his design was unveiled, with many fans endearingly calling him "Kurain Jesus". [[spoiler: And he only became even more popular during the stream when he revealed his true personality: a HotBlooded musician who can pull off quite an EpicRiff]]
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* MoralEventHorizon: The officials leading the Kingdom of Khura'in's genocidal DisproportionateRetribution against defense attorneys have seemingly crossed this before the game's even out.

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* MoralEventHorizon: The officials leading the Kingdom of Khura'in's genocidal DisproportionateRetribution against defense attorneys have seemingly crossed this before the game's even out. This way of thinking may have also brought Gaspen Payne along for the ride (it's one thing to be a jerk in a courtroom where it's assumed both parties are on equal footing but he enjoys working in Khura'in purely because he can get everyone sentenced guilty without any objection, which basically puts him on the same footing as Manfred von Karma).
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** Fans are annoyed that once again the game will not be getting a physical retail release, only getting a digital [=eShop=] release. Others are shouting them down and saying it's better that they're getting the game at all and to "just accept the digital future".
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** On the other hand, there are those who wished that Apollo did not get extra focus in this installment or have his backstory expanded on due to the massive backlash towards him in his debut game (In ''Dual Destinies'' the backlash subsided since he was taking a backseat to Athena and Phoenix).
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* MemeticMutation: It is common to assume that Apollo has died, given the subtitle of this game.

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* MemeticMutation: It is was common to assume that Apollo has had died, given the subtitle of this game.game. Of course, being Apollo, [[{{Jossed}} he's]] [[CatchPhrase fine]], but even after a trailer revealed Apollo as being in the game alive and well, the jokes didn't stop.
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* CrowningMomentOfAwesome: In the anime trailer, when a man takes Maya hostage, Nayuta shows up and gives the man a chance to lay down his knife and come quietly. [[TooDumbToLive He doesn't take it.]] The man lunges, and Nauyta effortlessly dodges his attack and then ''[[OneHitKO one-shots him]]''. Bad. Ass.
* CrowningMomentOfFunny: In the anime trailer, when Phoenix high-tails it to Khura'in, he accidentally forgets to put his luggage in the taxi, and then spills it at the airport. Same old ButtMonkey we know and love!
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* CrowningMomentOfAwesome: In the anime trailer, when a man takes Maya hostage, Nayuta shows up and gives the man a chance to lay down his knife and come quietly. [[TooDumbToLive He doesn't take it.]] The man lunges, and Nauyta effortlessly dodges his attack and then ''[[OneHitKO one-shots him]]''. Bad. Ass.
* CrowningMomentOfFunny: In the anime trailer, when Phoenix high-tails it to Khura'in, he accidentally forgets to put his luggage in the taxi, and then spills it at the airport. Same old ButtMonkey we know and love!
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* MemeticMutation: It is common to assume that Apollo has died, given the subtitle of this game.
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** Some people are disappointed with how Maya barely changed in between Trials and Tribulations and this game, adding only a hood, more noticeable lipstick, and a bit more mature body. Others think it's actually a pretty good balance between nostalgia and maturity.
** Two words: Lawyer Genocide. Some think it's an idea so ridiculous it might actually work in-universe, others think it's a stupid plot point even by Ace Attorney standards.

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** Some people are disappointed with how Maya barely changed in between Trials ''Trials and Tribulations Tribulations'' and this game, adding only a hood, more noticeable lipstick, and a bit more mature body. Others think it's actually a pretty good balance between nostalgia and maturity.
** Two words: Lawyer Genocide. Some think it's an idea so ridiculous it might actually work in-universe, others think it's a stupid plot point even by Ace Attorney ''Ace Attorney'' standards.



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** Even early screenshots of the game resemble the higher resolution of the iOS port of Dual Destinies.

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** Even early screenshots of the game resemble the higher resolution of the iOS port of Dual Destinies.''Dual Destinies''.
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* MoralEventHorizon: The officials leading the Kingdom of Kurain's genocidal DisproportionateRetribution against defense attorneys have seemingly crossed this before the game's even out.

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* MoralEventHorizon: The officials leading the Kingdom of Kurain's Khura'in's genocidal DisproportionateRetribution against defense attorneys have seemingly crossed this before the game's even out.



** The channeling dance demonstrated by Leifa is a great achievement by itself as the most elaborate animation in series history thus far.

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** The channeling dance demonstrated by Leifa Rayfa is a great achievement by itself as the most elaborate animation in series history thus far.
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Sounds more like Pre Order Bonus to me.


* NoExportForYou: There will be 2 episodes exclusive to Gyakuten Saiban 6 via pre-ordering. Possibly averted if they are given as [=DLCs=] for the international release.
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* BrokenBase:
** Cases involving supernatural elements tend to be more polarizing. Having an entire game based off mysticism cut the fanbase like a warm knife through a stick of butter.
** The current development team themselves are this, especially compared to those that greatly prefer the writing of series creator Shu Takumi.
** While everyone was relieved to hear of a western release right off the bat for this game, most fans were disappointed upon hearing that there would be no plans to localize VideoGame/DaiGyakutenSaiban, some even claiming they are much more interested in that game than this.
** Some fans were disappointed that Phoenix is the main protagonist again instead of Apollo, since Phoenix already had four games about him while Apollo only had one & 1/3. These fans were placated a bit when Apollo was revealed to be in the game.
** Some people are disappointed with how Maya barely changed in between Trials and Tribulations and this game, adding only a hood, more noticeable lipstick, and a bit more mature body. Others think it's actually a pretty good balance between nostalgia and maturity.
** Two words: Lawyer Genocide. Some think it's an idea so ridiculous it might actually work in-universe, others think it's a stupid plot point even by Ace Attorney standards.
* CharacterReRailment: Ema Skye actually getting her dream job as a forensic investigator was probably done for this reason, as [[GrumpyBear her personality]] and role as a Gumshoe {{Expy}} in ''Apollo Justice'' [[SameCharacterButDifferent was a far cry from how she acted in the original series]] (although her ''Apollo Justice'' personality did have its fans).
* MoralEventHorizon: The officials leading the Kingdom of Kurain's genocidal DisproportionateRetribution against defense attorneys have seemingly crossed this before the game's even out.
* NoExportForYou: There will be 2 episodes exclusive to Gyakuten Saiban 6 via pre-ordering. Possibly averted if they are given as [=DLCs=] for the international release.
* ViewerGenderConfusion: It's really hard to tell what gender Nayuta Saadmadhi is, whose face borders on looking like a {{Bifauxnen}} woman and a very {{Bishonen}} man. It doesn't help that his gender wasn't mentioned at all when the character was announced. The anime prologue finally resolved this by showing he has a clearly masculine voice.
* VisualEffectsOfAwesome:
** Even early screenshots of the game resemble the higher resolution of the iOS port of Dual Destinies.
** The channeling dance demonstrated by Leifa is a great achievement by itself as the most elaborate animation in series history thus far.
* WinBackTheCrowd:
** Seems to be attempting this for those who have felt the series had JumpedTheShark since the original trilogy. For starters, Phoenix is once again the main defense attorney, instead of introducing a new attorney with a gimmick, the main feature is tied to the court system itself, and the game aims to be more difficult than the previous ones. It's also bringing back the spiritual themes that have been absent since the main trilogy. Apollo being shown in the defense bench also placated his fans who thought he'd be absent entirely, and Maya's return after a LongBusTrip was excellent news to the fans who'd been waiting for her to appear in a game game since ''Trials and Tribulations''.
** The gameplay also hedges closer to earlier installments, such as going back to a "five strike" penalty system from the original game and having more freedom to examine environments in Investigation mode, along with the ability to Investigate anywhere.
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