History YMMV / Persona3

2nd Jan '17 3:39:45 AM Morgenthaler
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* MemeticBadass: You've gotta be a chiseled {{Badass}} to eat Fuuka's cooking. You must also obtain Badass status to initiate a social link with Ken as the Female Protagonist.

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* MemeticBadass: You've gotta be a chiseled {{Badass}} badass to eat Fuuka's cooking. You must also obtain Badass status to initiate a social link with Ken as the Female Protagonist.
30th Dec '16 7:24:42 AM Valiona
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** Recently the idea of Fuuka Yamagishi being a transwoman has gotten some traction. Supporters of this interpretation point to the little we know of her home life in comparison with other members of SEES and her relative lack of motivation in joining (suggesting her home life is less than spectacular), her hair being less elegant than Yukari and Mitsuru suggesting she might cut it herself, and some have taken her trying to learn how to cook as a way of compensating for not herself being biologically female by taking up a typically female interest.

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** Recently the idea of Fuuka Yamagishi being a transwoman has gotten some traction. Supporters of this interpretation point to the little we know of her home life in comparison with other members of SEES and her relative lack of motivation in joining (suggesting her home life is less than spectacular), her hair being less elegant than Yukari and Mitsuru suggesting she might cut it herself, herself[[note]]This is before Arena, when her hair is longer, neater and braided[[/note]], and some have taken her trying to learn how to cook as a way of compensating for not herself being biologically female by taking up a typically female interest.



** [[MoodSwinger Yukari Takeba]], whose insecure, overconfident personality tends to rub some fans the wrong way. Her actions in The Answer doesn't help her much either- some find risking TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt merely to see the guy she likes again to be highly unconscionable, while others find her decision to be an understandable result of her grief, even if they don't necessarily consider it the ''right'' thing to do. She's rather well-liked in the Japanese fandom, nevertheless, and if reaction to her inclusion in the Arena update indicates anything, she appears to be fully RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap.

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** [[MoodSwinger Yukari Takeba]], whose insecure, overconfident personality tends to rub some fans the wrong way.way, while others believe that in the early game, [[OnlySaneMan she's one of the few who has the right mindset for the job, and appropriate concern about the older members' secretive nature]]. Her actions in The Answer doesn't help her much either- some find risking TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt merely to see the guy she likes again to be highly unconscionable, while others find her decision to be an understandable result of her grief, even if they don't necessarily consider it the ''right'' thing to do. She's rather well-liked in the Japanese fandom, nevertheless, and if reaction to her inclusion in the Arena update indicates anything, she appears to be fully RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap.



* CriticalResearchFailure: A rather funny one in the PSP port. Because Fuuka's lines for the BonusBoss fight weren't re-recorded from the fight against [[spoiler:Elizabeth]], when the PC fights against [[spoiler:Theodore]], Fuuka calls him a "she" at the start of the battle.

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* CriticalResearchFailure: A rather funny one in the PSP port. Because Fuuka's lines for the BonusBoss fight weren't re-recorded from the fight against [[spoiler:Elizabeth]], when the PC fights against [[spoiler:Theodore]], Fuuka calls him a "she" at the start of the battle. It's also possible to hear Fuuka's voice for that fight, if you attempt it ''before she even joins the party''.



* MoralEventHorizon: Strega (especially Takaya) crosses this as soon as he kills someone affected by the Dark Hour.

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* MoralEventHorizon: Strega (especially Takaya) MoralEventHorizon:
** Takaya
crosses this as soon as he kills someone affected by [[WouldHurtAChild trying to kill Ken, an elementary schooler]], when Ken [[IAmSpartacus claims to be]] the MissionControl for S.E.E.S., resulting in [[spoiler:Shinjiro dying while protecting Ken]].
** The experiments that resulted in the creation of the twelve Shadows and
the Dark Hour.Hour are essentially this for everyone involved except for Yukari's father(who tried to stop it), especially [[spoiler:Ikutsuki, who still wants to destroy the world]].



** In the original game, all of your male party members lack Social Links, with their arcana being represented by a similar non-playable character instead. While they still get plenty to do during the plot, it makes the player feel much less close to them than they're supposedly meant to be. It doesn't help that the characters filling in for them in their Social Links tend to simply be more generic versions of them, making several Social Links seem almost redundant. This is remedied somewhat in ''Portable'', as the female protagonist has Social Links with every playable character (even [[spoiler:the one who dies after about one month, complete with the opportunity to avoid his demise]]).

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** In the original game, all of your male party members lack Social Links, with their arcana being represented by a similar non-playable character instead.instead(for example, Akihiko uses a Persona of the Emperor Arcana, while Hidetoshi is the Emperor Social Link). While they still get plenty to do during the plot, it makes the player feel much less close to them than they're supposedly meant to be. It doesn't help that the characters filling in for them in their Social Links tend to simply be more generic versions of them, making several Social Links seem almost redundant. This is remedied somewhat in ''Portable'', as the female protagonist has Social Links with every playable character (even [[spoiler:the one who dies after about one month, complete with the opportunity to avoid his demise]]).
27th Dec '16 5:40:25 PM VeryMelon
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* EarlyInstallmentWeirdness: People coming from ''Persona 4'' may be surprised to find that you are unable to control anyone besides the main character during battle and that none of the male party members have Social Links. The changes became so hard to adapt to (not to mention worked so much worse) that the PSP remake's new mode makes several alterations to make it closer to ''4''.
26th Dec '16 2:35:31 PM ACW
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* CompleteMonster: [[spoiler:Shuji Ikutsuki was the Chairman of the S.E.E.S.]], the heroes, as a seemingly kind, bumbling PungeonMaster. However, as the game approached the end, his true colors start to show. He is revealed to have partaken in [[spoiler:Koutetsu Kirijo's experiment to revive Nyx]], which caused an explosion that killed hundreds, including [[YouKilledMyFather TheProtagonist's parents and Yukari's father]]. This brought about the Dark Hour, which killed even more. He performed unethical experiments [[WouldHurtAChild on children]] to produce artificial Personas, including [[spoiler:the members of Strega]]. ''VideoGame/Persona4ArenaUltimax'' reveals that he even used [[spoiler:Sho, his adopted son]], for the experiment. When [[spoiler:Sho's SplitPersonality, Minazuki]], tried to kill [[spoiler:Ikutsuki]] in self-defense, he put him in a coma and only bothered putting him on life support [[PragmaticVillainy so that he might be of use to him again]]. When the events of ''Persona 3'' begin, he manipulates the S.E.E.S. into killing the Twelve Shadows under the belief that it would extinguish the Dark Hour. However, in actuality, [[spoiler:killing the Shadows was what he needed to revive Nyx]]. Nyx, being the Death Arcana, would [[KillAllHumans wipe out humanity]]. When he was found out, [[spoiler:he reprograms Aigis into helping him capture the S.E.E.S., which consist of teenagers and a ten-year-old boy]]. When [[spoiler:Mitsuru's father]] tries to stop him, he shoots him dead before preparing to do the same to the S.E.E.S., and would have succeeded if [[spoiler:Koromaru]] didn't stop him. A [[TheSociopath sociopath]] who would [[OmnicidalManiac wipe out all life on Earth]] just to appease a God that is MadeOfEvil, [[spoiler:Ikutsuki]] stands as one of the most vile human beings in the franchise.
12th Dec '16 7:10:10 AM hbarber1999
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** Recently the idea of Fuuka Yamagishi being a transwoman has gotten some traction. Supporters of this interpretation point to the little we know of her home life in comparison with other members of SEES and her relative lack of motivation in joining (suggesting her home life is less than spectacular), her hair being less elegant than Yukari and Mitsuru suggesting she might cut it herself, and some have taken her trying to learn how to cook as a way of compensating for not herself being biologically female by taking up a typically female interest.
3rd Dec '16 8:28:36 PM LucaEarlgrey
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** The battle system itself gets this, thanks to your party mates' ArtificalStupidity. Even after ''Portable'' recitified it by allowing the player to control allies directly a la ''Persona 4'', the game is still known for [[MemeticMutation "Mitsuru, I'm dying!" "MARIN FUCKING KARIN!"]]

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** The battle system itself gets this, thanks to your party mates' ArtificalStupidity.ArtificialStupidity. Even after ''Portable'' recitified it by allowing the player to control allies directly a la ''Persona 4'', the game is still known for [[MemeticMutation "Mitsuru, I'm dying!" "MARIN FUCKING KARIN!"]]
3rd Dec '16 8:27:57 PM LucaEarlgrey
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** The battle system itself gets this, thanks to your party mates' ArtificalStupidity. Even after ''Portable'' recitified it by allowing the player to control allies directly a la ''Persona 4'', the game is still known for [[MemeticMutation "Mitsuru, I'm dying!" "MARIN FUCKING KARIN!"]]
29th Nov '16 11:14:10 PM MegaJ
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* SequelDisplacement:
** Persona 3 and 4 are credited with singlehandedly popularizing the rest of the ShinMegamiTensei franchise outside of Japan. The PSP re-releases of Persona1 and Persona2 were generally well received, but neither had anything near the sales of the sequels.
** [[UpdatedRerelease FES]] also did this to the original game, with its many improvements and additions to the original game and The Answer epilogue. The PSP remake might have done this to FES with the female main character's storyline.

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* SequelDisplacement:
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SequelDisplacement: Persona 3 is probably most people's first ''Persona'' game, and 4 are credited with singlehandedly popularizing it set the rest tone and standard of the ShinMegamiTensei entire franchise outside of Japan. The PSP re-releases of Persona1 and Persona2 were generally well received, but neither had anything near the sales of the sequels.
** [[UpdatedRerelease FES]] also did this to the original game, with its many improvements and additions to the original game and The Answer epilogue. The PSP remake might have done this to FES with the female main character's storyline.
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13th Nov '16 4:32:02 PM TheNerfGuy
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* AwesomeMusic: [[AwesomeMusic/Persona3 Has its own page.]]



* CrowningMusicOfAwesome:
** The final battle theme, [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adQRPhpaytA&hd=1 "The Battle for Everyone's Souls."]] The voice for Nyx's Avatar between each phase only turn the awesomeness of the whole fight UpToEleven.
** [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4ijlQYVQLE&hd=1 Heartful Cry]] From the Answer
31st Oct '16 2:58:58 AM Andrzej
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** Built on top of all the above difficulties, there is ''Orpheus Telos''. Available in ''FES'' and ''Portable'', the player needs to Max Up ''every single Social Link'' in the game in a ''single playthrough'' to be able to fuse the true Ultimate Persona of the Fool Arcana, which happens to be a level 90 Persona tailor-made to counter the NonstandardGameOver conditions of the BonusBoss. On the surface, it only needs two Personas: Orpheus and Thanatos. Orpheus is your starter Persona, and if you've fused him away at some point you can at least get him back via the Compendium. Thanatos, on the other hand, [[DoubleUnlock requires a Hexagon fusion, and one of its components requires ANOTHER special fusion]] (specifically, a 4-way fusion). Complicating matters, Orpheus Telos can be fused with a Nihil Weapon to get a piece of equipment that grants high resistance to magic[[note]]and given that Nihil Weapons produce, well, ''weapons'', they don't use up the equipment slots for Armor, Shoes or Accessory, meaning that a savvy player can stack the weapon's effect with those of other equipments[[/note]] and, as with Aigis' Metatronius, this means that there is a small window of opportunity to take Orpheus Telos to the Antiques Store before the end of the game. Especially true if the player aims to get ''both'' weapons in the first playthrough.

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** Built on top of all the above difficulties, there is ''Orpheus Telos''. Available in ''FES'' and ''Portable'', the player needs to Max Up ''every single Social Link'' in the game in a ''single playthrough'' to be able to fuse the true Ultimate Persona of the Fool Arcana, which happens to be a level 90 Persona tailor-made to counter the NonstandardGameOver conditions of the BonusBoss. On the surface, it only needs two Personas: Orpheus and Thanatos. Orpheus is your starter Persona, and if you've fused him away at some point you can at least get him back via the Compendium. Thanatos, on the other hand, [[DoubleUnlock requires a Hexagon fusion, and one of its components requires ANOTHER special fusion]] (specifically, a 4-way fusion). Complicating matters, Orpheus Telos can be fused with a Nihil Weapon to get a piece of equipment that grants high resistance to magic[[note]]and given that Nihil Weapons produce, well, ''weapons'', they don't use up the equipment slots for Armor, Shoes or Accessory, meaning that a savvy player can stack the weapon's effect with those of other equipments[[/note]] and, as with Aigis' Metatronius, this means that there is a small window of opportunity to take Orpheus Telos to the Antiques Store before the end of the game. Especially true if the player aims to get ''both'' weapons in the first playthrough.
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