History YMMV / Persona3

16th Oct '17 5:52:22 PM starjewel
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** Shinjiro: Adios asshole!

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** Shinjiro: Adios asshole!Adios, asshole!
** "Oteakezamurai", one of Junpei's neologisms that was LostInTranslation, is a meme in Japan. The word literally translates to "a samurai throwing up his hands in defeat" and it was changed to the "Ace Detective/Ace Defective" gag in the English version. Despite Junpei using it on one instance, there is some fanart depicting him and other characters raising both hands above their heads. It has become an AscendedMeme since Atlus included it as a conversational reply in ''VideoGame/DevilSurvivor2'' and Junpei also tends to say it in the musicals.
11th Oct '17 12:10:16 PM wootzits
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** As noted, Mitsuru in the original release version and FES. Not as a character, but due to how the gameplay works in battle: her AI is seemingly set to prioritize status ailments not matter the situation. This was remedied in the portable remake which allowed for full player control.



** [[spoiler: Nyx Avatar]] is this to a lot of players despite being the FinalBoss due the sheer length of the fight and reasons mentioned above.

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** [[spoiler: Nyx [[spoiler:Nyx Avatar]] is this to a lot of players despite being the FinalBoss due the sheer length of the fight and reasons mentioned above.



* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter:
** In the original game, all of your male party members lack Social Links, with their arcana being represented by a similar non-playable character instead(for example, Akihiko uses a Persona of the Emperor Arcana, while Hidetoshi is the Emperor Social Link). While they still get plenty to do during the plot, it makes the player feel much less close to them than they're supposedly meant to be. It doesn't help that the characters filling in for them in their Social Links tend to simply be more generic versions of them, making several Social Links seem almost redundant. This is remedied somewhat in ''Portable'', as the female protagonist has Social Links with every playable character (even [[spoiler:the one who dies after about one month, complete with the opportunity to avoid his demise]]).
** [[spoiler: Ikutsuki]]. You'd think that after TheReveal, he'd be the game's BigBad. Instead, he [[spoiler: quickly gets killed off]].
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot:
** On the opposite side, Ken. As pointed out above, many people very much would prefer if [[spoiler: he had died instead of Shinjiro. However, what many people forget is that Takaya was going to kill ''him'' '''first'''. Given that you've known him much longer than Shinjiro, he's only a grade-schooler, and is much less useful party-wise than him, players would've been hit just as hard if not harder while not missing his skillset in battle. It would've been a huge wham moment given Ken wanted to avenge his mother's death, and now Shinjiro would've been responsible for Ken's too.]] Besides that, he is also hit with a case of DemotedToExtra after his arc was over and doesn't really do anything for the rest of the game, which serves as another point of contention for his character.
* UncannyValley: Ken's 3D model. The smile on his face is just too wide.



* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Concerning October 4th, [[spoiler: Ken]]. Granted, he did lose his mother, but his planning to [[spoiler:kill Shinjiro and then himself]] isn't something that anyone, except maybe Takaya, wants. While [[spoiler:Shinjiro is guilty of manslaughter]], his [[EnsembleDarkhorse popularity]] and the fact that [[spoiler:he's willing to accept being killed for what he's done, save for the fact that Ken will then have to live with the guilt Shinjiro bore for years (a lesson Ken ignores)]] makes him somewhat more sympathetic by comparison. The official English localization doesn't do [[spoiler: Ken]] any favors either: in the original Japanese version [[spoiler: Ken is understandably distraught that Shinjiro died because of him]], but in the localization it's instead implied that [[spoiler:Ken's angry that he didn't get to kill Shinjiro himself]], souring Western audiences that aren't aware of the dialogue change.

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter:
** In the original game, all of your male party members lack Social Links, with their arcana being represented by a similar non-playable character instead(for example, Akihiko uses a Persona of the Emperor Arcana, while Hidetoshi is the Emperor Social Link). While they still get plenty to do during the plot, it makes the player feel much less close to them than they're supposedly meant to be. It doesn't help that the characters filling in for them in their Social Links tend to simply be more generic versions of them, making several Social Links seem almost redundant. This is remedied somewhat in ''Portable'', as the female protagonist has Social Links with every playable character (even [[spoiler:the one who dies after about one month, complete with the opportunity to avoid his demise]]).
** [[spoiler:Ikutsuki]]. You'd think that after TheReveal, he'd be the game's BigBad. Instead, he [[spoiler:quickly gets killed off]].
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot:
** On the opposite side, Ken. As pointed out above, many people very much would prefer if [[spoiler: he had died instead of Shinjiro. However, what many people forget is that Takaya was going to kill ''him'' '''first'''. Given that you've known him much longer than Shinjiro, he's only a grade-schooler, and is much less useful party-wise than him, players would've been hit just as hard if not harder while not missing his skillset in battle. It would've been a huge wham moment given Ken wanted to avenge his mother's death, and now Shinjiro would've been responsible for Ken's too.]] Besides that, he is also hit with a case of DemotedToExtra after his arc was over and doesn't really do anything for the rest of the game, which serves as another point of contention for his character.
* TierInducedScrappy:
** As noted, Mitsuru in the original release version and FES. Not as a character, but due to how the gameplay works in battle: her AI is seemingly set to prioritize status ailments no matter the situation. This was remedied in the portable remake which allowed for full player control.
** Koromaru is usually passed over in team-building due to his underwhelming stats. He has the highest agility and one of the highest HP pools, but his offense and defense are fairly low and his Persona skills all consume SP despite the fact that he has one of the smallest SP pools in the party.
* UncannyValley: Ken's 3D model. The smile on his face is just too wide.
* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Concerning October 4th, [[spoiler: Ken]].[[spoiler:Ken]]. Granted, he did lose his mother, but his planning to [[spoiler:kill Shinjiro and then himself]] isn't something that anyone, except maybe Takaya, wants. While [[spoiler:Shinjiro is guilty of manslaughter]], his [[EnsembleDarkhorse popularity]] and the fact that [[spoiler:he's willing to accept being killed for what he's done, save for the fact that Ken will then have to live with the guilt Shinjiro bore for years (a lesson Ken ignores)]] makes him somewhat more sympathetic by comparison. The official English localization doesn't do [[spoiler: Ken]] [[spoiler:Ken]] any favors either: in the original Japanese version [[spoiler: Ken [[spoiler:Ken is understandably distraught that Shinjiro died because of him]], but in the localization it's instead implied that [[spoiler:Ken's angry that he didn't get to kill Shinjiro himself]], souring Western audiences that aren't aware of the dialogue change.
27th Sep '17 10:21:43 AM Wiseoung-5
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** Yukari also qualifies, more towards the Jerkass variety throughout ''The Answer''.
13th Sep '17 5:16:53 PM PenBFDI
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* CompleteMonster: [[spoiler:Shuji Ikutsuki was the Chairman of the S.E.E.S.]], the heroes, as a seemingly kind, bumbling PungeonMaster. However, as the game approached the end, his true colors start to show. He is revealed to have partaken in [[spoiler:Koutetsu Kirijo's experiment to revive Nyx]], which caused an explosion that killed hundreds, including [[PlayerCharacter The Protagonist]]'s [[YouKilledMyFather parents and Yukari's father]]. This brought about the Dark Hour, which killed even more. He performed unethical experiments [[WouldHurtAChild on children]] to produce artificial Personas, including [[spoiler:the members of Strega]]. ''VideoGame/Persona4ArenaUltimax'' reveals that he even used [[spoiler:Sho, his adopted son]], for the experiment. When [[spoiler:Sho's SplitPersonality, Minazuki]], tried to kill [[spoiler:Ikutsuki]] in self-defense, he put him in a coma and only bothered putting him on life support [[PragmaticVillainy so that he might be of use to him again]]. When the events of ''Persona 3'' begin, he manipulates the S.E.E.S. into killing the Twelve Shadows under the belief that it would extinguish the Dark Hour. However, in actuality, [[spoiler:killing the Shadows was what he needed to revive Nyx]]. Nyx, being the Death Arcana, would [[KillAllHumans wipe out humanity]]. When he was found out, [[spoiler:he reprograms Aigis into helping him capture the S.E.E.S., which consist of teenagers and a ten-year-old boy]]. When [[spoiler:Mitsuru's father]] tries to stop him, he shoots him dead before preparing to do the same to the S.E.E.S., and would have succeeded if [[spoiler:Koromaru]] didn't stop him. A [[TheSociopath sociopath]] who would [[OmnicidalManiac wipe out all life on Earth]] just to appease a God that is MadeOfEvil, [[spoiler:Ikutsuki]] stands as one of the most vile human beings in the franchise.

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* CompleteMonster: [[spoiler:Shuji Ikutsuki was the Chairman of the S.E.E.S.]], , the heroes, as a seemingly kind, bumbling PungeonMaster. PungeonMaster.]] However, as the game approached the end, his true colors start to show. He is revealed to have partaken in [[spoiler:Koutetsu Kirijo's experiment to revive Nyx]], which caused an explosion that killed hundreds, including [[PlayerCharacter The Protagonist]]'s [[YouKilledMyFather parents and Yukari's father]]. This brought about the Dark Hour, which killed even more. He performed unethical experiments [[WouldHurtAChild on children]] to produce artificial Personas, including [[spoiler:the members of Strega]]. ''VideoGame/Persona4ArenaUltimax'' reveals that he even used [[spoiler:Sho, his adopted son]], for the experiment. When [[spoiler:Sho's SplitPersonality, Minazuki]], tried to kill [[spoiler:Ikutsuki]] in self-defense, he put him in a coma and only bothered putting him on life support [[PragmaticVillainy so that he might be of use to him again]]. When the events of ''Persona 3'' begin, he manipulates the S.E.E.S. into killing the Twelve Shadows under the belief that it would extinguish the Dark Hour. However, in actuality, [[spoiler:killing the Shadows was what he needed to revive Nyx]]. Nyx, being the Death Arcana, would [[KillAllHumans wipe out humanity]]. When he was found out, [[spoiler:he reprograms Aigis into helping him capture the S.E.E.S., which consist of teenagers and a ten-year-old boy]]. When [[spoiler:Mitsuru's father]] tries to stop him, he shoots him dead before preparing to do the same to the S.E.E.S., and would have succeeded if [[spoiler:Koromaru]] didn't stop him. A [[TheSociopath sociopath]] who would [[OmnicidalManiac wipe out all life on Earth]] just to appease a God that is MadeOfEvil, [[spoiler:Ikutsuki]] stands as one of the most vile human beings in the franchise.
12th Sep '17 1:31:31 PM Sweekun
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12th Sep '17 1:30:32 PM Sweekun
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* AuthorsSavingThrow: The [=PS2=] releases are notorious for AI teammates that can't be directly controlled and have to be given orders instead, resulting in, among other things, your teammates deciding that spamming Marin Karin for the ten millionth time is more important than healing you back from single-digit HP. The ''Portable'' re-release adds direct control of teammates similar to ''VideoGame/{{Persona 4}}'', which has been well-received by fans.

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* AuthorsSavingThrow: AuthorsSavingThrow:
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The [=PS2=] releases are notorious for AI teammates that can't be directly controlled and have to be given orders instead, resulting in, among other things, your teammates deciding that spamming Marin Karin for the ten millionth time is more important than healing you back from single-digit HP. The ''Portable'' re-release adds direct control of teammates similar to ''VideoGame/{{Persona 4}}'', which has been well-received by fans.fans.
** Although there's the issue for Aigis' Metatronius weapon (see below), her own social link will also always level up like Tanaka's, likely because it opens during the final month of the game.
** In a similar vein, for the female protagonist, although Shinjiro and Ryoji's links are on a one month time limit, both also lack "holdover" visits and will both level up with any response she gives them. Shinjiro is also a nighttime link, which leaves the heroine more room to work on other ones.



** The Devil Social Link. On top of being one of the only nighttime social links (a boon for the male protagonist, as he only has two of them), you don't need to carry a Devil Arcana Persona to boost points - Tanaka's link will always level up, no matter what responses you choose, and there are no "holdover" visits where the player has to wait. Doggedly doing Tanaka's link allows you to possibly max it out by ''July.'' And although there's the issue for Aigis' Metatronius weapon (see below), her own social link will also always level up like Tanaka's, likely because it opens during the final month of the game.
** In a similar vein, for the female protagonist, although Shinjiro and Ryoji's links are on a one month time limit, both also lack "holdover" visits and will both level up with any response she gives them. Shinjiro is also a nighttime link, which leaves the heroine more room to work on other ones.

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** The Devil Social Link. On top Empress and Emperor bosses are basically just there to demonstrate Fuuka's advanced support abilities; at the beginning of being one of the fight the Empress is weak to all physical damage while the Emperor is weak to all magical damage save for instant kill spells (they are notably the only nighttime social links (a boon for Full Moon bosses with actual weaknesses), and while Paradigm Shift changes their weaknesses by the male protagonist, as he only has two of them), you don't need to carry a Devil Arcana Persona to boost points - Tanaka's link will always level up, no matter what responses you choose, and there are no "holdover" visits where the player has to wait. Doggedly doing Tanaka's link allows you to possibly max it out by ''July.'' And although there's the issue for Aigis' Metatronius weapon (see below), her own social link will also always level up like Tanaka's, time their turns roll around you've likely because it opens during the final month of the game.
** In a similar vein, for the female protagonist, although Shinjiro and Ryoji's links are on a one month time limit,
knocked both also lack "holdover" visits of them down and will both level up with any response she gives them. Shinjiro is also a nighttime link, which leaves the heroine more room initiated an All-Out Attack at least twice to work inflict massive damage on other ones.them.



** Tanaka is relatively well liked by having one of if not the easiest non-storyline social links to level up, delivering hilariously petty threats, and for having a number of subtle PetTheDog moments later down the link. It also helps that maxing his social link grants the player the ability to fuse Beelzebub, who is a Darkhorse for the Megami Tensei franchise as a whole. Tanaka even makes a special cameo in ''VideoGame/{{Persona 5}}'', still as seedy as ever.

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** Tanaka is relatively well liked by having one of if not the easiest non-storyline social links to level up with it being one of the only nighttime social links (a boon for the male protagonist, as he only has two of them), not needing to carry a Devil Arcana Persona to boost points as Tanaka's link will always level up, no matter what responses you choose, and there are no "holdover" visits where the player has to wait[[note]]Doggedly doing Tanaka's link allows you to possibly max it out by ''July.''[[/note]], delivering hilariously petty threats, and for having a number of subtle PetTheDog moments later down the link. It also helps that maxing his social link grants the player the ability to fuse Beelzebub, who is a Darkhorse for the Megami Tensei franchise as a whole. Tanaka even makes a special cameo in ''VideoGame/{{Persona 5}}'', still as seedy as ever.
27th Aug '17 4:46:05 PM nombretomado
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** In PSP remake, one of Ken's S-Links mentions a manga about an alien who takes different forms to save the day. Although this is only in the female MC's playthrough, this is funny considering the male MC's [[YuriLowenthal voice actor's]] [[WesternAnimation/Ben10AlienForce other role]].

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** In PSP remake, one of Ken's S-Links mentions a manga about an alien who takes different forms to save the day. Although this is only in the female MC's playthrough, this is funny considering the male MC's [[YuriLowenthal [[Creator/YuriLowenthal voice actor's]] [[WesternAnimation/Ben10AlienForce other role]].
18th Aug '17 11:17:26 AM defciggy
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** The fact that the Female Protagonist/Minako is left out of any references to this game in spinoffs and later installments leaves many fans of Portable upset that in a series that otherwise tends to leave a lot of ambiguity about player choice, it's all but stated [[CanonDiscontinuity her journey never happened]]. Some ignore any implications the protagonist is male by default in said spinoffs.

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** The fact that the Female Protagonist/Minako is left out of any references to this game in spinoffs spin-offs and later installments leaves many fans of Portable upset that in a series that otherwise tends to leave a lot of ambiguity about player choice, it's all but stated [[CanonDiscontinuity her journey never happened]]. Some ignore any implications the protagonist is male by default in said spinoffs.spin-offs.



** In the case of ''Persona 3 Portable'', FeMC/Shinjiro [[spoiler:due to the fact that completing his S.Link actually gives the player the ability to prevent his death]]. While the female protagonists' canonicity is markedly vague, some official side materials have jumped on this ship: they have some interaction in the ''Persona 3 Portable'' CD Drama, and they actually ''are'' paired up in the stage play.

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** In the case of ''Persona 3 Portable'', FeMC/Shinjiro Female Protagonist/Shinjiro [[spoiler:due to the fact that completing his S.Link actually gives the player the ability to prevent his death]]. While the female protagonists' canonicity is markedly vague, some official side materials have jumped on this ship: they have some interaction in the ''Persona 3 Portable'' CD Drama, and they actually ''are'' paired up in the stage play.
16th Aug '17 9:32:54 AM SeptimusHeap
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** While not exactly popular in Japan, Ken gets a worse rap from American audiences. His social link in ''Portable'', depsite being heavily {{Bowdlerized}} and giving him more CharacterDevelopment, still toes toward shotacon territory, which remains an apocalyptic no-no. Additionally, the localization changed his anger at himself over [[spoiler: Shinjiro's death]] to being angry over [[spoiler: not killing Shinjiro himself]], which makes him come off as unsympathetic; the localization further doesn't help him with inconsistent and grating voice acting.

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** While not exactly popular in Japan, Ken gets a worse rap from American audiences. His social link in ''Portable'', depsite being heavily {{Bowdlerized}} and giving him more CharacterDevelopment, still toes toward shotacon [[LoliconAndShotacon shotacon]] territory, which remains an apocalyptic no-no. Additionally, the localization changed his anger at himself over [[spoiler: Shinjiro's death]] to being angry over [[spoiler: not killing Shinjiro himself]], which makes him come off as unsympathetic; the localization further doesn't help him with inconsistent and grating voice acting.



* NoYay: [[{{Shotacon}} Spending a long time with Ken Amada]] but subverted in that the scene is up to the player's imagination. A straighter version is the female protagonist and Takaya. Or the male protagonist and Takaya. Although, the Minako/Ken ship is popular with fans of shotacon.

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* NoYay: [[{{Shotacon}} Spending a long time with Ken Amada]] Amada but subverted in that the scene is up to the player's imagination. A straighter version is the female protagonist and Takaya. Or the male protagonist and Takaya. Although, the Minako/Ken ship is popular with fans of shotacon.
2nd Aug '17 4:13:00 PM LordHyper
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* ItWasHisSled: With the announcement of ''Dancing Moon Night'' and the jokes that come with it, it seems that [[spoiler: the main character's death]] has become this.
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