History YMMV / PaperMarioStickerStar

12th Feb '17 9:04:11 AM KingBowser9001
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* AssPull: [[spoiler:Kersti's HeroicSacrifice would usually be the making of an AlasPoorScrappy. However, 3 minutes later, out of nowhere, Peach announces that she has the power to ''grant wishes''. Seriously? Not only is this completely random, it kills all of the mood of said sacrifice. And even after this, [[FlatCharacter Kersti receives no development whatsoever]].]]

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* AssPull: [[spoiler:Kersti's [[spoiler:Mario using the royal stickers to wish Kersti back to life after the final boss. Her HeroicSacrifice would usually be the making of an AlasPoorScrappy. However, 3 minutes later, out of nowhere, Peach announces that she has the royal stickers have the power to ''grant wishes''. Seriously? Not only is this completely random, it kills all of the mood of said sacrifice.sacrifice. This wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for the fact that the ''Paper Mario'' series had already established that you couldn't simply wish a character back to life. [[FranchiseOriginalSin At least with TEC and Luvbi, you could make a guess at how it happened]]. Here, it's not only pointless, but contradicts previously established knowledge. And even after this, [[FlatCharacter Kersti receives no development whatsoever]].]]
25th Jan '17 4:50:19 PM KingBowser9001
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* EightPointEight: An [[InvertedTrope inverted]] example. As the game is seen as "meh" by most critics and lambasted by the general public, IGN's score of 8.0/10 has unsurprisingly been controversial. The [[InternetBackdraft already insane backlash]] against them got even worse after ''[[VideoGame/MarioAndLuigiPaperJam Paper Jam]]''. What score did they give it? '''5.9'''. And then ''[[VideoGame/PaperMarioColorSplash Color Splash]]'', commonly viewed as a SurprisinglyImprovedSequel, [[DownplayedTrope even if not by much]], is awarded a '''7.3/10'''. Ironically, the review said that it was a better game than ''Sticker Star'', even though it gave the former a lower score than the latter.

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* EightPointEight: An [[InvertedTrope inverted]] example. As the game is seen as "meh" by most critics and lambasted by the general public, IGN's score of 8.0/10 3/10 has unsurprisingly been controversial. The [[InternetBackdraft already insane backlash]] against them got even worse after ''[[VideoGame/MarioAndLuigiPaperJam Paper Jam]]''. What score did they give it? '''5.9'''. And then ''[[VideoGame/PaperMarioColorSplash Color Splash]]'', commonly viewed as a SurprisinglyImprovedSequel, [[DownplayedTrope even if not by much]], is awarded a '''7.3/10'''. Ironically, the review said that it was a better game than ''Sticker Star'', even though it gave the former a lower score than the latter.
23rd Jan '17 2:41:27 PM Peridonyx
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* JustHereForGodzilla: If there's any reason to check this game out, it's either to see if the reviews and fan reception are right or [[CriticalBacklash not]] or [[WatchItForTheMeme to experience the ensemble darkhorses and memes]]. Surprisingly, the game almost sold 2 million even with backlashes against it.[[labelnote:Explanation]]Of course, the game ''did'' come out when the 3DS sold like hotcakes, much like the Wii and ''Super Paper Mario''...[[/labelnote]]

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* JustHereForGodzilla: JustHereForGodzilla:
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If there's any reason to check this game out, it's either to see if the reviews and fan reception are right or [[CriticalBacklash not]] or [[WatchItForTheMeme to experience the ensemble darkhorses and memes]]. Surprisingly, the game almost sold 2 million even with backlashes against it.[[labelnote:Explanation]]Of course, the game ''did'' come out when the 3DS sold like hotcakes, much like the Wii and ''Super Paper Mario''...[[/labelnote]][[/labelnote]]
** Gameplay-wise: Even a lot of its detractors seem to enjoy the [[RealityWarping Thing]] [[RubeGoldbergHatesYourGuts Stickers]], if only for their CrazyAwesome, RefugeInAudacity animations.
20th Jan '17 8:31:00 AM MegaMarioMan
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* EightPointEight: An [[InvertedTrope inverted]] example. As the game is seen as "meh" by most critics and lambasted by the general public, IGN's score of 8.0/10 has unsurprisingly been controversial. The [[InternetBackdraft already insane backlash]] against them got even worse after ''[[VideoGame/MarioAndLuigiPaperJam Paper Jam]]''. What score did they give it? '''5.9'''.
** Steel yourself for more as ''[[VideoGame/PaperMarioColorSplash Color Splash]]'', the SurprisinglyImprovedSequel, [[DownplayedTrope even if not by much]], is awarded a '''7.3/10'''. Ironically, the review said that it was a better game than ''Sticker Star'', even though it gave the former a lower score than the latter.

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* EightPointEight: An [[InvertedTrope inverted]] example. As the game is seen as "meh" by most critics and lambasted by the general public, IGN's score of 8.0/10 has unsurprisingly been controversial. The [[InternetBackdraft already insane backlash]] against them got even worse after ''[[VideoGame/MarioAndLuigiPaperJam Paper Jam]]''. What score did they give it? '''5.9'''.
** Steel yourself for more as
9'''. And then ''[[VideoGame/PaperMarioColorSplash Color Splash]]'', the commonly viewed as a SurprisinglyImprovedSequel, [[DownplayedTrope even if not by much]], is awarded a '''7.3/10'''. Ironically, the review said that it was a better game than ''Sticker Star'', even though it gave the former a lower score than the latter.



* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: [[spoiler:Birdo appearing in a swing in World 4 and giving you the Goat after serenading Mario. Seriously.]]

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* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: [[spoiler:Birdo appearing in on a swing in World 4 and giving you the Goat after serenading Mario. Seriously.]]



* FandomBerserkButton: If you say that this game is better than the first or third games, you will be ''harshly'' reprimanded. Wait, what's that? You ''really'' want to start a FlameWar? Then say that the game is better than ''The Thousand-Year Door''.

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* FandomBerserkButton: If you say that this game is better than the first or third games, you will be ''harshly'' reprimanded. Wait, what's that? You If you ''really'' want to start a FlameWar? Then FlameWar, then say that the game is better than ''The Thousand-Year Door''.



* FanonDiscontinuity: Most ''Paper Mario'' fans pretend that ''Sticker Star'' (as well as its successor ''Color Splash'') never happened, labelling ''Super Paper Mario'' (or ''The Thousand-Year Door'', depending on who you ask) as the moment where the series stopped instead. Aside from the game's [[ExiledFromContinuity controversial]] [[ExcusePlot restrictions]], it doesn't help that [[OnlyTheCreatorDoesItRight Ryota Kawade, the director of the first three games, was barely involved in the production of Sticker Star (the only credit he had for the game was "Special Thanks"), and most of its crew was never involved in the series before.]]

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* FanonDiscontinuity: Most ''Paper Mario'' fans pretend that ''Sticker Star'' (as well as its successor ''Color Splash'') never happened, labelling labeling ''Super Paper Mario'' (or ''The Thousand-Year Door'', depending on who you ask) as the moment where the series stopped instead. Aside from the game's [[ExiledFromContinuity controversial]] [[ExcusePlot restrictions]], it doesn't help that [[OnlyTheCreatorDoesItRight Ryota Kawade, the director of the first three games, was barely involved in the production of Sticker Star (the only credit he had for the game was "Special Thanks"), and most of its crew was never involved in the series before.]]



* ItsTheSameNowItSucks: Pre-release, it was infamously told off as being too similar to ''The Thousand-Year Door'' by Miyamoto himself, and thus revamped with no partners, no new characters (save Kersti), and a heavily simplified battle system. The fandom replied with [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks that trope's foil]], stating Miyamoto to be underwhelming the intelligence and expectations of its fanbase and being too narrow-minded to consider the PeripheryDemographic, as well as stating he was disrespecting the skill of their CultClassic [[Franchise/FireEmblem prin]][[VideoGame/PanelDePon ting]] [[VideoGame/NintendoWars machine]], Intelligent Systems.

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* ItsTheSameNowItSucks: ItsTheSameNowItSucks:
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Pre-release, it was infamously told off as being too similar to ''The Thousand-Year Door'' by Miyamoto himself, and thus revamped with no partners, no new characters (save Kersti), and a heavily simplified battle system. The fandom replied with [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks that trope's foil]], stating Miyamoto to be underwhelming the intelligence and expectations of its fanbase and being too narrow-minded to consider the PeripheryDemographic, as well as stating he was disrespecting the skill of their CultClassic [[Franchise/FireEmblem prin]][[VideoGame/PanelDePon ting]] [[VideoGame/NintendoWars machine]], Intelligent Systems.



** Everyone is a Toad. [[labelnote:Explanation]]Probably the most infamous thing about the game is that every NPC outside of select few is [[YouAllLookFamiliar some version of]] [[OnlySixFaces a generic male Toad]] (contrast past ''Paper Mario'' games, where there were an abundance of species and even the Toads that existed all had unique designs). This is made more baffling by the fact the intro to ''Super Mario Galaxy'' showed multiple Toadettes- meaning that opportunity was available, yet ignored. Seen as the developers just being completely lazy and unwilling to experiment, it has become a point of ridicule among detractors of the game (and by extension ''Color Splash'', which does the exact same thing).[[/labelnote]]

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** Everyone is a Toad. [[labelnote:Explanation]]Probably the most infamous thing about the game is that every NPC outside of select few is [[YouAllLookFamiliar some version of]] [[OnlySixFaces a generic male Toad]] (contrast past ''Paper Mario'' games, where there were an abundance of species and even the Toads that existed all had unique designs). This is made more baffling by the fact the intro to ''Super Mario Galaxy'' showed multiple Toadettes- meaning that opportunity was available, yet ignored. Seen as the developers just being completely lazy and unwilling to experiment, it has become a point of ridicule among detractors of the game (and by extension ''Color Splash'', which does the exact same thing).also uses mostly Toads, but in multiple colors).[[/labelnote]]



** Creator/ShigeruMiyamoto may have gotten the game's most noticeable restrictions on characters and story set into stone. However, what many people may not realize is that the one responsible for generic Toads being the only recurring friendly species and the paper theme being overemphasized to the exclusion of story was actually the producer, Kensuke Tanabe.

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** Creator/ShigeruMiyamoto may have gotten the game's most noticeable restrictions on characters and story set into stone. However, what many people may not realize is that the one responsible for generic Toads being the only recurring friendly species and the paper theme being overemphasized to the exclusion of story was actually the producer, Kensuke Tanabe.



* ScapegoatCreator: Many people are pointing to this title, among other incidents, as evidence that it is time for Creator/ShigeruMiyamoto to retire from active game development and advisement (which may or may not be a fair statement). What side of this coin fans lie on in terms of supporting this sentiment could fuel the careers of dozens of analytical authors. According to [[http://iwataasks.nintendo.com/interviews/#/3ds/papermario/0/0 this]], he's the reason the battles were changed. Why? [[{{Irony}} It was too similar to]] ''The Thousand-Year Door''.

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* ScapegoatCreator: Many people are pointing to this title, among other incidents, as evidence that it is time for Creator/ShigeruMiyamoto to retire from active game development and advisement (which may or may not be a fair statement).advisement. What side of this coin fans lie on in terms of supporting this sentiment could fuel the careers of dozens of analytical authors. According to [[http://iwataasks.nintendo.com/interviews/#/3ds/papermario/0/0 this]], he's the reason the battles were changed. Why? [[{{Irony}} It was too similar to]] ''The Thousand-Year Door''.



** Many even pointed out his {{hypocrisy}} at not being okay with a ''The Thousand-Year Door'' clone, yet being completely fine with there being ''four NSMB games'' (Okay, [[VideoGame/NewSuperLuigiU 4.5]]) [[ItsTheSameNowItSucks that play almost exactly the same, on top of recycling things from previous games a bit too much]]. It only got worse when it was announced that ''Color Splash'' would follow the same formula introduced in ''Sticker Star'' as opposed to another game in the vein of the first two games like most fans were asking for.

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** Many even pointed out his {{hypocrisy}} at not being okay with a ''The Thousand-Year Door'' clone, yet being completely fine with there being ''four NSMB games'' (Okay, [[VideoGame/NewSuperLuigiU 4.5]]) [[ItsTheSameNowItSucks that play almost exactly the same, on top of recycling same and recycle things from previous games a bit too much]].often]]. It only got worse when it was announced that ''Color Splash'' would follow the same formula introduced in ''Sticker Star'' as opposed to another game in the vein of the first two games like most fans were asking for.



** In combination with the two examples above, [[DamnYouMuscleMemory there is no option to skip your turn]]. This gets especially annoying in battles where you can't hurt the enemy that turn, boss battles, and the battles where your stickers are all turned into Sandal stickers. This leaves you with two choices, either waste a sticker or use the closest thing to a skip button, running away and hoping it fails. And because whether the mechanic works or not depends entirely on how the RandomNumberGod is feeling, you can accidentally flee from boss fights. Running away successfully in a boss fight ends up infurating because not only have you wasted any stickers you used, you have to do the entire battle over.

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** In combination with the two examples above, [[DamnYouMuscleMemory there is no option to skip your turn]].turn. This gets especially annoying in battles where you can't hurt the enemy that turn, boss battles, and the battles where your stickers are all turned into Sandal stickers. This leaves you with two choices, either waste a sticker or use the closest thing to a skip button, running away and hoping it fails. And because whether the mechanic works or not depends entirely on how the RandomNumberGod is feeling, you can accidentally flee from boss fights. Running away successfully in a boss fight ends up infurating because not only have you wasted any stickers you used, you have to do the entire battle over.



** Luigi, who was hit so hard with the DemotedToExtra hammer that he was left silent and mostly exists as a series of cameos to find. Considering his ''mammoth'' role in ''Super'' and how there's an [[VideoGame/MarioAndLuigi entire sister subseries]] of ''Mario'' [=RPGs=] where he's the second playable lead, him not doing anything relevant here is especially bizarre.

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** Luigi, who was hit so hard with the DemotedToExtra hammer that he was left silent and mostly exists as a series of cameos to find. Considering his ''mammoth'' role in ''Super'' and how there's an [[VideoGame/MarioAndLuigi entire sister subseries]] other series]] of ''Mario'' [=RPGs=] where he's the second playable lead, him not doing anything relevant here is especially bizarre.
12th Jan '17 2:34:34 PM KingBowser9001
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* AssPull: [[spoiler:Kersti's HeroicSacrifice would usually be the making of an AlasPoorScrappy. However, 3 minutes later, out of nowhere, Peach announces that she has the power to ''grant wishes''. Seriously? Not only is this completely random, it kills all of the mood of said sacrifice. And even after this, [[FlatCharacter Kersti receives no development whatsoever]].]]
29th Dec '16 10:09:53 AM KingBowser9001
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* AntiClimaxBoss: The FinalBoss [[DoubleSubversion double-subverts]] this. In a game where every boss is ludicrous, but a joke if you play it the right way, it's easy to expect the last boss to be the same. Starting off, Bowser is just as ludicrous as every other boss at the start, and unlike them, borderline ''impossible'' without the right items. The final phase plays this straight, though. Bowser's giant, all of your attacks are reduced to ScratchDamage, and we've got jazzy guitar blaring in the background. Time for an actually decent boss... Oh, wait. That part [[LongSongShortScene lasted about 43 seconds]] because of you getting powered up. In a genre where final bosses are typically {{Marathon Boss}}es, this one is a joke in comparison and takes about 2 minutes to mop the floor with. Even more insulting, it's possible to take the fight OffTheRails and [[DeathOfAThousandCuts defeat Bowser without the]] EleventhHourSuperpower. With loads of Infinijumps and Super Boots, this way won't take long either.

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* AntiClimaxBoss: The FinalBoss [[DoubleSubversion double-subverts]] this. In a game where every boss is ludicrous, but a joke if you play it the right way, it's easy to expect the last boss to be the same. Starting off, Bowser is just as ludicrous as every other boss at the start, and unlike them, borderline ''impossible'' without the right items. The final phase plays this straight, though. Bowser's giant, all of your attacks are reduced to ScratchDamage, and we've got jazzy guitar blaring in the background. Time for an actually decent a NintendoHard boss... Oh, wait. That part [[LongSongShortScene lasted about 43 seconds]] because of you getting powered up. In a genre where final bosses are typically {{Marathon Boss}}es, this one is a joke in comparison and takes about 2 minutes to mop the floor with. Even more insulting, it's possible to take the fight OffTheRails and [[DeathOfAThousandCuts defeat Bowser without the]] EleventhHourSuperpower. With loads of Infinijumps and Super Boots, this way won't take long either.
28th Dec '16 2:08:56 PM KingBowser9001
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* ThatOneBoss:
** Kamek, especially the second fight against him. He transforms all of your stickers into flip-flops, so you better take note about which sticker was what, lest you use up some really valuable ones here. The first fight's not too bad, since he's alone. Come the second time, where he creates two clones of himself, change altitude so ''no'' attack will hit, and making a random sticker of yours disappear.

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* ThatOneBoss:
ThatOneBoss: Strangely, almost every main boss [[SubvertedTrope subverts]] this. Thanks to the UnstableEquilibrium that is the Thing weakness system, bosses will be absolutely ridiculous, sometimes bordering on SNKBoss territory... But use their weakness, and they become a joke. However, there are a couple bosses that are this either way.
** Kamek, especially the second last fight against him. He transforms all of your stickers into flip-flops, so you better take note about which sticker was what, lest you use up some really valuable ones here. The first fight's not too bad, since he's alone. Come the second time, where he creates two clones of himself, change altitude so ''no'' attack will hit, and making a random sticker of yours disappear.
28th Dec '16 2:00:39 PM KingBowser9001
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* AntiClimaxBoss: The FinalBoss [[DoubleSubversion double-subverts]] this. In a game where every boss is ludicrous, but a joke if you play it the right way, it's easy to expect the last boss to be the same. Starting off, Bowser is just as ludicrous as every other boss at the start, and unlike them, borderline ''impossible'' without the right items. The final phase plays this straight, though. Bowser's giant, all of your attacks are reduced to ScratchDamage, and we've got jazzy guitar blaring in the background. Time for an actually decent boss... Oh, wait. That part [[LongSongShortScene lasted about 43 seconds]] because of you getting powered up. In a genre where final bosses are typically {{Marathon Boss}}es, this one is a joke in comparison and takes about 2 minutes to mop the floor with. Even more insulting, it's possible to take the fight OffTheRails and [[DeathOfAThousandCuts defeat Bowser without the]] EleventhHourSuperpower. With loads of Infinijumps and Super Boots, this way won't take long either.
26th Dec '16 3:56:53 AM MagBas
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* SoOkayItsAverage: Many elements of the game, including the dumbed-down gameplay, the [[{{IncrediblyLamePun}} paper-thin]] characterization, the "have the right item on you or die" mechanics behind most of the bosses, a grand total of one new character, and the handling of Bowser's characterization (or lack thereof) add up to the general response to the game being a resounding "meh" ([[SoBadItsHorrible if not outright hating it]]), This wouldn't otherwise be notable if it weren't an installment in the highly acclaimed ''Paper Mario'' series. Overall it's considered an okay game when judged on its own, but [[ToughActToFollow does not fill the shoes of]] ''Thousand Year Door'' or, to a lesser extent, ''Super''.

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* SoOkayItsAverage: Many elements of the game, including the dumbed-down gameplay, the [[{{IncrediblyLamePun}} paper-thin]] characterization, the "have the right item on you or die" mechanics behind most of the bosses, a grand total of one new character, and the handling of Bowser's characterization (or lack thereof) add up to the general response to the game being a resounding "meh" ([[SoBadItsHorrible if not outright hating it]]), , This wouldn't otherwise be notable if it weren't an installment in the highly acclaimed ''Paper Mario'' series. Overall it's considered an okay game when judged on its own, but [[ToughActToFollow does not fill the shoes of]] ''Thousand Year Door'' or, to a lesser extent, ''Super''.
24th Dec '16 2:07:39 PM KingBowser9001
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* EightPointEight: An [[InvertedTrope inverted]] example. As the game is seen as "meh" by most critics and lambasted by the general public, IGN's score of 8.0/10 has unsurprisingly been controversial. The already insane backlash against them got even worse after ''[[VideoGame/MarioAndLuigiPaperJam Paper Jam]]''. What score did they give it? '''5.9'''.

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* EightPointEight: An [[InvertedTrope inverted]] example. As the game is seen as "meh" by most critics and lambasted by the general public, IGN's score of 8.0/10 has unsurprisingly been controversial. The [[InternetBackdraft already insane backlash backlash]] against them got even worse after ''[[VideoGame/MarioAndLuigiPaperJam Paper Jam]]''. What score did they give it? '''5.9'''.
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