History YMMV / Oreimo

* OnceOriginalNowOverdone: Once, the books were some of the most popular light novels in Japan, beating out even ''Literature/HaruhiSuzumiya'' (albeit in the twilight of the latter's popularity) and the ''[[Literature/{{Bakemonogatari}} Monogatari]]'' series. However, the ending started a chain of events that led to the series taking a massive nosedive. After the disappointment of the ending, many former fans of the series changed to indifference, and some outright bashed the series and exposed more and more of its flaws. [[CondemnedByHistory Today, the series is blamed for two trends in light novels very much maligned by the anime community itself]]: the usage of [[PanderingToTheBase otaku life-centric stories]] with [[InformedAttribute so-called]] [[BetterThanABareBulb "meta commentary"]] on the genres and cliches endemic to the genre, and the growing trend of BrotherSisterIncest as a main or side romantic plot (a RunningGag among the anime community states that a poorly written harem light novel will always have the protagonist's little sister as one of the love interests).

* NeverLiveItDown: Anything involving a BrotherSisterIncest story is bound to suffer from this, ''especially'' among Western audiences.

* AmericansHateTingle: The series is very popular in Japan ([[SeinfeldIsUnfunny or]] [[CondemnedByHistory was]]), but it is loathed by some in North America due to its [[BrotherSisterIncest very concept.]]

* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: Once, the books were some of the most popular light novels in Japan, beating out even ''Literature/HaruhiSuzumiya'' (albeit in the twilight of the latter's popularity) and the ''[[Literature/{{Bakemonogatari}} Monogatari]]'' series. However, the ending started a chain of events that led to the series taking a massive nosedive. After the disappointment of the ending, many former fans of the series changed to indifference, and some outright bashed the series and exposed more and more of its flaws. [[CondemnedByHistory Today, the series is blamed for two trends in light novels very much maligned by the anime community itself]]: the usage of [[PanderingToTheBase otaku life-centric stories]] with [[InformedAttribute so-called]] [[BetterThanABareBulb "meta commentary"]] on the genres and cliches endemic to the genre, and the growing trend of BrotherSisterIncest as a main or side romantic plot (a RunningGag among the anime community states that a poorly written harem light novel will always have the protagonist's little sister as one of the love interests).

** "Brousuke." With good reason, too.

** This is actually based on a few existing mahou shoujo shows, especially ''Anime/PrettyCure'' which markets half to little girls and half to adult males, and Franchise/LyricalNanoha which markets exclusively to adult males.

** At several points, Kirino and Kyousuke's parents are portrayed as in the wrong or overreacting when they assume on evidence that the protagonist is having sexual thoughts about his own sister. [[spoiler: Whelp.]]

* DieForOurShip: [[SatelliteLoveInterest A male side character introduced solely for the purpose of being a love interest]] is already bound to garner hate in a HaremGenre show, but actually start ''dating'' the ''main female protagonist'', and you're likely to find yourself staring down two barrels of fan hate, as [[spoiler:Mikagami]] found out, even after [[spoiler:[[TheBeard it's revealed it was all an act by Kirino]] to make her brother jealous, and [[GayOption Mikagami ends up joining Kyousuke's harem]] after that]]. Surprisingly {{averted|Trope}} when [[spoiler:Kuroneko confesses to Kyousuke, and they end up going out]], but [[FanPreferredCouple she was already the most popular choice]] before that, and [[spoiler:they don't end up together in the end]].

* CondemnedByHistory: Oreimo was a phenomenon in the late [=2000s=] and early [=2010s=], as it was one of the first light novels to combine a HaremGenre story with [[OtakuSurrogate characters]] and [[MetaFiction stories]] that examined otaku culture. Fans loved being able to read about characters that shared their own interests, and the anime adaptation exposed the source material to an even bigger number of fans. However, several key issues began to propagate through the story that would ultimately lead to its downfall. The slice of life and otaku-centric content was put on the back burner for intrusive harem tropes, the [[AdaptationalJerkass anime increasing Kirino's bad behavior]] while still treating her as the primary love interest, and [[PutOnABus sidelining]] and {{derailing|LoveInterests}} fan-favorite characters. But what really sealed the novel's fate was the ending, which saw protagonist Kyousuke alienating all the other girls to turn IncestSubtext into outright text by hooking up with his own sister. The final nail in the coffin was the sheer amount of [[FollowTheLeader copycat]] light novels in the next few years that rehashed the BrotherSisterIncest plot of ''Oreimo'' to a shameless degree, along with degrading the observations of otaku media and culture into simply [[BetterThanABareBulb pointing out media clichés while still indulging in them]], seemingly for no other reason but [[PanderingToTheBase cheap and easy pandering]]. Even the original author of ''Oreimo'' would fall victim to the backlash years later, when his follow-up work ''Literature/EromangaSensei'' was adapted to anime and quickly panned; most reviews noted that ''Eromanga Sensei'' took all the flaws that had been present in ''Oreimo'' and [[FranchiseOriginalSin cranked them up to an intolerable degree]]. To this day, [[ItWasHisSled the first and only thing anime fans could tell you]] about ''Oreimo'' is that it's the show where the protagonist breaks up with his girlfriend to get with his sister.

** [[spoiler:Ayase's extremely judgmental nature of Kirino's hobby has earned her numerous haters even among those who ''also'' [[KickTheSonOfABitch consider Kirino a Scrappy]].]] Like Kirino, [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap she grows out of this]], and her scary moments, when they show up, are always played for laughs or [[SugarWiki/HeartwarmingMoments d'awws]] after the initial conflict is resolved.

** The series' name has been shortened to [[LightNovel/{{Oreimo}} Oreimo]]. As this link would indicate, [[Website/TVTropes the tropers]] have noticed.

* SecondSeasonDownfall: ''Oh dear.'' The SliceOfLife and [[HaremGenre harem comedy]] was what fans came to ''Oreimo'' for, and {{Otaku}} viewers [[OtakuSurrogate having a lot of fun characters they could relate to]] brought in a ton of good press, turning the series into a phenomenon in its heyday. But as the story proceeded, the various otaku tropes gradually fell out of the story and became the target of cheap comedy, and the story either dropped characters OutOfFocus or outright began DerailingLoveInterests to laser-focus on the positives and negatives of Kyousuke's and Kirino's relationship -- the very things viewers alike ''didn't'' want to see from the series, to say nothing of how the otaku audience reacted at these jabs. By the time ''Oreimo'' was concluding, it was less of a comedic romp and more like a DeconstructiveParody of itself, and it ultimately [[CondemnedByHistory never got back out of that rut]].

* SecondSeasonDownfall: ''Oh dear.'' The SliceOfLife and [[HaremGenre harem comedy]] was what fans came to ''Oreimo'' for, and {{Otaku}} viewers [[OtakuSurrogate having a lot of fun characters they could relate to]] brought in a ton of good press, turning the series into a phenomenon in its heyday. But as the story proceeded, the various otaku tropes gradually fell out of the story and became the target of cheap comedy, and many characters either dropped OutOfFocus or were outright [[CharacterDerailment derailed]] to laser-focus on the positives and negatives of Kyousuke's and Kirino's relationship -- the very things viewers alike ''didn't'' want to see from the series, to say nothing of how the otaku audience reacted at these jabs. By the time ''Oreimo'' was concluding, it was less of a comedic romp and more like a DeconstructiveParody of itself, and it ultimately [[CondemnedByHistory never got back out of that rut]].

* HilariousInHindsight: The in-universe mahou shoujo anime "Stardust Witch Meruru" is stated to be intended for girls between five and ten, but its predominant fanbase is made up of males in their twenties.

* SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic: Even those who don't like the series admit that the OP "Irony", performed by [=ClariS=] (of ''[[Anime/PuellaMagiMadokaMagica Madoka Magica]]'' and ''[[LightNovel/{{Bakemonogatari}} Monogatari]]'' fame) is pretty catchy.
* CondemnedByHistory: Oreimo was a phenomenon in the late [=2000s=] and early [=2010s=], as it was one of the first light novels to combine a HaremGenre story with [[OtakuSurrogate characters]] and [[MetaFiction stories]] that examined otaku culture. Fans loved being able to read about characters that shared their own interests, and the anime adaptation exposed the source material to an even bigger number of fans. However, several key issues began to propagate through the story that would ultimately lead to its downfall. The slice of life and otaku-centric content was put on the back burner for intrusive harem tropes, the [[AdaptationalJerkass anime increasing Kirino's bad behavior]] while still treating her as the primary love interest, and [[PutOnABus sidelining]] and {{derailing|LoveInterests}} fan-favorite characters. But what really sealed the novel's fate was the ending, which saw protagonist Kyousuke alienating all the other girls to turn IncestSubtext into outright text by hooking up with his own sister. The final nail in the coffin was the sheer amount of [[FollowTheLeader copycat]] light novels in the next few years that rehashed the BrotherSisterIncest plot of ''Oreimo'' to a shameless degree, along with degrading the observations of otaku media and culture into simply [[BetterThanABareBulb pointing out media clichés while still indulging in them]], seemingly for no other reason but [[PanderingToTheBase cheap and easy pandering]]. Even the original author of ''Oreimo'' would fall victim to the backlash years later, when his follow-up work ''LightNovel/EromangaSensei'' was adapted to anime and quickly panned; most reviews noted that ''Eromanga Sensei'' took all the flaws that had been present in ''Oreimo'' and [[FranchiseOriginalSin cranked them up to an intolerable degree]]. To this day, [[ItWasHisSled the first and only thing anime fans could tell you]] about ''Oreimo'' is that it's the show where the protagonist breaks up with his girlfriend to get with his sister.

* FanonDiscontinuity: The parts of the ending where [[spoiler:Kyousuke alienates several of the girls]] and anything directly ''after'' [[spoiler:his wedding kiss with Kirino]] didn't happen. Nope, they totally got a HappyEnding. However, there are probably going to be some EpilepticTrees with [[spoiler:TheCameo in ''LightNovel/EromangaSensei'', such as taking place after the series and implying that some girls like Kuroneko and Saori might not have been alienated enough if they're still spending time with Kyousuke and Kirino]]. Which could count as HeartwarmingInHindsight if this were the case.

* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: Once, the books were some of the most popular light novels in Japan, beating out even ''LightNovel/HaruhiSuzumiya'' (albeit in the twilight of the latter's popularity) and the ''[[LightNovel/{{Bakemonogatari}} Monogatari]]'' series. However, the ending started a chain of events that led to the series taking a massive nosedive. After the disappointment of the ending, many former fans of the series changed to indifference, and some outright bashed the series and exposed more and more of its flaws. [[CondemnedByHistory Today, the series is blamed for two trends in light novels very much maligned by the anime community itself]]: the usage of [[PanderingToTheBase otaku life-centric stories]] with [[InformedAttribute so-called]] [[BetterThanABareBulb "meta commentary"]] on the genres and cliches endemic to the genre, and the growing trend of BrotherSisterIncest as a main or side romantic plot (a RunningGag among the anime community states that a poorly written harem light novel will always have the protagonist's little sister as one of the love interests).

** Despite being the title character, a number of fans are put off by Kirino's initially {{Jerkass}} behavior and her poor treatment of Kyousuke, who is practically throwing away any chance to be seen as normal for her sake. This reaction tends to [[BaseBreakingCharacter vary between fans coming from the anime]], where her tsuntsun bad behavior is kicked UpToEleven; the LightNovel source, which is more [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap evenly balanced]]; and the manga, where her words and mannerisms are much more deredere in response to Kyousuke's actions. This is actually intentional, as even characters in the novel think the same thing, but tend to see the glass half full and that Kirino is, while annoying, still important to them.

** The series' name has been shortened to [[LightNovel/{{Oreimo}} Oreimo]]. As this link would indicate, [[Wiki/TVTropes the tropers]] have noticed.

* WhatAnIdiot: Manami. As justifiable as her intentions were, her actions ended up contributing to [[spoiler:Kyousuke and Kirino getting together]], since some people have pointed out that had Manami simply left Kyousuke and Kirino alone instead of [[spoiler:interfering and getting Kirino to stop worshipping her brother and making Kyousuke lose his drive to be the best]], then maybe she would've had a chance. After all, [[FridgeLogic siblings, and by extension some childhood friends, have a high chance of losing any affection that would've been romantic by]] [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westermarck_effect being close to each other from an early age and staying close well into their adult years]], and even if the romantic interest were still there, their father's strict upbringing would've put the brakes on it the ''instant'' he saw it.

* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: Once, the books were some of the most popular light novels in Japan, beating out even ''LightNovel/HaruhiSuzumiya'' (albeit in the twilight of the latter's popularity) and the ''[[LightNovel/{{Bakemonogatari}} Monogatari]]'' series. However, the ending (detailed under EndingAversion above) started a chain of events that led to the series taking a massive nosedive. After the disappointment of the ending, many former fans of the series changed to indifference, and some outright bashed the series and exposed more and more of its flaws. [[CondemnedByHistory Today, the series is blamed for two trends in light novels very much maligned by the anime community itself]]: the usage of [[PanderingToTheBase otaku life-centric stories]] with [[InformedAttribute so-called]] [[BetterThanABareBulb "meta commentary"]] on the genres and cliches endemic to the genre, and the growing trend of BrotherSisterIncest as a main or side romantic plot (a RunningGag among the anime community states that a poorly written harem light novel will always have the protagonist's little sister as one of the love interests).

* EndingAversion: The ending of the series only served to pretty much piss ''everybody'' off, no matter which girl they were rooting for. Mainly, it's due to [[spoiler:the author making the BrotherSisterIncest route ''canon'' (and it doesn't help that the little sister is a major BaseBreakingCharacter [or in some cases, a [[TheScrappy Scrappy]]] already)]], along with [[spoiler:Kyousuke turning down the other girls, most of whom were fan-favorites, in the most humiliating and heartbreaking ways]]. Then there's the matter of [[spoiler:Manami's {{derail|ingLoveInterests}}ment]], and then in the end [[spoiler:[[WriterCopOut Kyousuke and Kirino decide to end their relationship]], making the entire series look like a giant ShaggyDogStory... at least to those who don't read the epilogue or subsequent material]]. Also, [[spoiler:[[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking the author tried to push Kanako as a love interest on par with Ayase and Kuroneko despite her being an extra for a good 3/4 of the novels]]]].

* SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic: Despite the AudienceAlienatingPremise, many admit that the OP "Irony", performed by [=ClariS=] (of ''[[Anime/PuellaMagiMadokaMagica Madoka Magica]]'' and ''[[LightNovel/{{Bakemonogatari}} Monogatari]]'' fame) is pretty catchy.

* AudienceAlienatingPremise: [[{{Squick}} It's a show celebrating]] BrotherSisterIncest.

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** This is actually based on a few existing mahou shoujo shows, especially Franchise/PrettyCure which markets half to little girls and half to adult males, and Franchise/LyricalNanoha which markets exclusively to adult males.