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* BrokenBase: There are many debates over the quality of the work within, though mostly they tend to come down to whether the story is better or ''worse'' than ''One More Day'', i.e if its second-worst or the worst. For what it's worth, the latter story tends to come out on top as the worse of the two, but a large part of that may be because this story was supposed to be the AuthorsSavingThrow rather than what caused the need for one.
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* BrokenBase: There are many debates over the quality of the work within, though mostly they tend to come down to whether the story is better or ''worse'' than ''One More Day'', i.e e. if its it's second-worst or the worst. For what it's worth, the latter story tends to come out on top as the worse of the two, but a large part of that may be because this story was supposed to be the AuthorsSavingThrow "saving throw" rather than what caused the need for one.
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* HilariousInHindsight: The famous page image of MJ [[SkywardScream skyward screaming]] seems to be made to mimic (or to mock) the reaction the fans would have.
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* HilariousInHindsight: [[https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/one_moment_in_time.png The famous page image of MJ MJ]] [[SkywardScream skyward screaming]] seems to be made to mimic (or to mock) the reaction the fans would have.
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* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: While "The Wedding" (ASM Annual #21) is a classic, it has a reputation for being a little rushed (because it was) and ghost written by EIC Creator/JimShooter over writer David Michelinie's objections (whose original plan was for it to be a little longer to tie-in all the continuity gaps to make it flow better) and for not being as emotionally uplifting as it should be. But after seeing Quesada's vandalisation of the issue with his even more incoherent story and even lamer artwork (which the original art spliced into his story merely highlights), many agree that it's a masterpiece by comparison.
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* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: While "The Wedding" (ASM Annual #21) is a classic, it has a reputation for being a little rushed (because it was) and ghost written by EIC Creator/JimShooter over writer David Michelinie's objections (whose original plan was for it to be a little longer to tie-in all the continuity gaps to make it flow better) and for not being as emotionally uplifting as it should be. But after seeing Quesada's vandalisation of the issue with his even more incoherent story and even lamer artwork (which the original art spliced into his story merely highlights), many agree that it's a masterpiece by comparison. comparison, thus vindicating said story.
* SalvagedStory: It seems like Quesada attempted to give a "saving throw" to OMD and finally answer all the fans' unanswered questions about the story. Results definitely weren't satisfactory mostly because he wrote a bad story that defiled a bunch of better ones (including the ASM Annual #21 that had the couple getting married, whose rewrite in OMIT came off as incredibly petty and mean spirited).
* SalvagedStory: It seems like Quesada attempted to give a "saving throw" to OMD and finally answer all the fans' unanswered questions about the story. Results definitely weren't satisfactory mostly because he wrote a bad story that defiled a bunch of better ones (including the ASM Annual #21 that had the couple getting married, whose rewrite in OMIT came off as incredibly petty and mean spirited).
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* AudienceAlienatingPremise: So MJ gives us the Aesop that marriage is just a piece of paper and that you shouldn't have kids outside of wedlock. How Marvel did not see this as offensive to BOTH people who believe in marriage as some kind of sacred institution AND people who have kids outside of marriage or were from such a family is beyond anyone! More importantly why did Peter let this slide given that Ben and May Parker were a childless couple who were devoted to each other before they took in Peter.
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* AuthorsSavingThrow: Quesada attempted to manage one and finally answer all the fans' unanswered questions about One More Day. Results definitely weren't satisfactory mostly because he wrote a bad story that defiled a bunch of better ones (including the ASM Annual #21 that had the couple getting married, whose rewrite in OMIT came off as incredibly petty and mean spirited).
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* {{Narm}}: The grand reason why Peter Parker missed his wedding according to Quesada in OMIT, well it turns out that some random guy managed to strike Spider-Man with a brick (with his Spider-Sense hitting him late), leading to a series of pratfalls that ends with Peter knocked out with the guy stacking up on him and sleeping through several days while Mary Jane got stood at the altar. Yeah, the grand Mephisto twist-of-fate by which history diverged is a power nerfing (on the [[ComicBook/IdentityCrisis Deathstroke v. Justice League]] scale), incoherent, utterly snide lame joke. Basically [[Recap/BatmanTheAnimatedSeriesE46AlmostGotIm Spider-Man got hit by a rock...a big rock]].
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* BileFascination: Played with, as you don't initially read it because it's bad, but then Quesada's writing shows up pretty quickly.
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* HilariousInHindsight[=/=]HarsherInHindsight: Depends on the reader, but the HilariousInHindsight: The famous page image of MJ [[SkywardScream skyward screaming]] seems to be made to mimic (or to mock) the reaction the fans would have.
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* ValuesDissonance: Because marriage isn't for love, it's for children, and having children outside of marriage is BAD. Never mind that more people these days are choosing to have children out of wedlock.
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* FamilyUnfriendlyAesop: The infamous page quote.
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* AngstWhatAngst: Quesada's editorial claim that "Everything happened except the marriage" part only to show in OMIT that MJ got stood up at the altar with Peter's family and friends and only for them to follow on and go back to a long relationship doesn't make any sense to anyone who read the Annual. Aunt May eased Peter's jitters by insisting that he man up and claim the Parker gumption, Flash Thompson gave him a major pep talk to marry her, and more importantly Mary Jane would have been thoroughly humiliated by that experience (as would anyone). It's unbelievable that Peter wouldn't face fallout for that action, from Aunt May (who has wanted all her life for Peter to settle down and especially with MJ), and likewise for Mary Jane to go back and settle in a live-in relationship is hard to accept as well.
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* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: While "The Wedding" (ASM Annual #21) is a classic, it has a reputation for being a little rushed (because it was) and ghost written by EIC Creator/JimShooter over writer David Michelinie's objections (whose original plan was for it to be a little longer to tie-in all the continuity gaps to make it flow better) and for not being as emotionally uplifting as it should be. But after seeing Quesada's vandalisation of the issue with his even more incoherent story and even lamer artwork (which the original art spliced into his story merely highlights), many agree that it's a masterpiece by comparison.
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* {{Narm}}: The grand reason why Peter Parker missed his wedding according to Quesada in OMIT, well it turns out that some random guy managed to strike Spider-Man with a brick (with his Spider-Sense hitting him late), leading to a series of pratfalls that ends with Peter knocked out with the guy stacking up on him and sleeping through several days while Mary Jane got stood at the altar. Yeah, the grand Mephisto twist-of-fate by which history diverged is a power nerfing (on the [[ComicBook/IdentityCrisis Deathstroke v. Justice League]] scale), incoherent, utterly snide lame joke. Basically [[Recap/BatmanTheAnimatedSeriesE46AlmostGotIm Spider-Man got hit by a rock...a big rock]].
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* AudienceAlienatingPremise: So MJ gives us the Aesop that marriage is just a piece of paper and that you shouldn't have kids outside of wedlock. How Marvel did not see this as offensive to BOTH people who believe in marriage as some kind of sacred institution AND people who have kids outside of marriage or were from such a family is beyond anyone!
* AuthorsSavingThrow: Quesada attempted to manage one and finally answer all the fans' unanswered questions about One More Day. Results definitely weren't satisfactory.
* AuthorsSavingThrow: Quesada attempted to manage one and finally answer all the fans' unanswered questions about One More Day. Results definitely weren't satisfactory.
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* AudienceAlienatingPremise: So MJ gives us the Aesop that marriage is just a piece of paper and that you shouldn't have kids outside of wedlock. How Marvel did not see this as offensive to BOTH people who believe in marriage as some kind of sacred institution AND people who have kids outside of marriage or were from such a family is beyond anyone!
anyone! More importantly why did Peter let this slide given that Ben and May Parker were a childless couple who were devoted to each other before they took in Peter.
* AuthorsSavingThrow: Quesada attempted to manage one and finally answer all the fans' unanswered questions about One More Day. Results definitely weren'tsatisfactory.satisfactory mostly because he wrote a bad story that defiled a bunch of better ones (including the ASM Annual #21 that had the couple getting married, whose rewrite in OMIT came off as incredibly petty and mean spirited).
* AuthorsSavingThrow: Quesada attempted to manage one and finally answer all the fans' unanswered questions about One More Day. Results definitely weren't
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* BrokenBase: There are many debates over the quality of the work within, though mostly they tend to come down to whether the story is better or ''worse'' than ''One More Day''. For what it's worth, the latter story tends to come out on top as the worse of the two, but a large part of that may be because this story was supposed to be the AuthorsSavingThrow rather than what caused the need for one.
* FamilyUnfriendlyAesop: The infamous page quote.
* FamilyUnfriendlyAesop: The infamous page quote.
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* BrokenBase: There are many debates over the quality of the work within, though mostly they tend to come down to whether the story is better or ''worse'' than ''One More Day''.Day'', i.e if its second-worst or the worst. For what it's worth, the latter story tends to come out on top as the worse of the two, but a large part of that may be because this story was supposed to be the AuthorsSavingThrow rather than what caused the need for one.
* FamilyUnfriendlyAesop: The infamous page quote.
* FamilyUnfriendlyAesop: The infamous page quote.
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* ValuesDissonance: Because marriage isn't for love, it's for children, and having children outside of marriage is BAD. Never mind that more people these days are choosing to have children out of wedlock.
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Peter Parker's decision to have his identity erased, i.e. to undo the decision to unveil his identity as part of the Pro-Reg side, is incredibly selfish and irresponsible, basically asking for a CosmicRetcon rather than live with the consequences of his actions. As bad as OMD is, there it was Mephisto screwing them over.
* ValuesDissonance: Because marriage isn't for love, it's for children, and having children outside of marriage is BAD. Never mind that more people these days are choosing to have children out ofwedlock.wedlock.
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* BrokenBase: There are many debates over the quality of the work within, though mostly they tend to come down to whether the story is better or ''worse'' than ''One More Day''. For what it's worth, the latter story tends to come out on top as the worse of the two, but a large part of that may be because this story was supposed to be the AuthorsSavingThrow rather than what caused the need for one.
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* UnfortunateImplications: As noted in AudienceAlienatingPremise.
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* NeverLiveItDown: Perhaps intentionally, since MJ's page quote is basically ''begging'' for this to happen [[SelfDemonstratingArticle (and giving how much it got referenced in this page already... it seems the quote fullfilled its purpose)]], but the fandom will only remember this [[FanonDiscontinuity "as a memorable quote by the Quesada-verse Mary-Jane Watson"]].
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* NeverLiveItDown: Perhaps intentionally, since MJ's page quote is basically ''begging'' for this to happen [[SelfDemonstratingArticle (and giving how much it got referenced in this page already... it seems the quote fullfilled its purpose)]], but the fandom will only remember this [[FanonDiscontinuity "as a memorable quote by the Quesada-verse Mary-Jane Watson"]].Watson"]].
* UnfortunateImplications: As noted in AudienceAlienatingPremise.
* ValuesDissonance: Because marriage isn't for love, it's for children, and having children outside of marriage is BAD. Never mind that more people these days are choosing to have children out of wedlock.
* UnfortunateImplications: As noted in AudienceAlienatingPremise.
* ValuesDissonance: Because marriage isn't for love, it's for children, and having children outside of marriage is BAD. Never mind that more people these days are choosing to have children out of wedlock.
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* BrokenBase: Just as the fandom was finally getting over ComicBook/OneMoreDay this story reopened old wounds.
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* AudienceAlienatingPremise: So MJ gives us the Aespop that marriage is just a piece of paper and that you shouldn't have kids outside of wedlock. How Marvel did not see this as offensive to BOTH people who believe in marriage as some kind of sacred institution AND people who have kids outside of marriage or were from such a family is beyond anyone!
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* AudienceAlienatingPremise: So MJ gives us the Aespop Aesop that marriage is just a piece of paper and that you shouldn't have kids outside of wedlock. How Marvel did not see this as offensive to BOTH people who believe in marriage as some kind of sacred institution AND people who have kids outside of marriage or were from such a family is beyond anyone!
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* HilariousInHindsight[=/=]HarsherInHindsight: Depends on the reader, but the famous page image of of MJ [[SkywardScream skyward screaming]] seems to be made to mimic (or to mock) the reaction the fans would have.
* NeverLiveItDown: Perhaps intentionally, since MJ's page quote is basically ''begging'' for this to happen [[SelfDemonstratingArticle (and giving how much it got referenced in this page already... it seems the quote fullfilled its purpose)]], but the fandom will only remember this [[FanonDiscontinuity "as a memorable quote by the Quesada-verse Mary-Jane Watson"]].
* NeverLiveItDown: Perhaps intentionally, since MJ's page quote is basically ''begging'' for this to happen [[SelfDemonstratingArticle (and giving how much it got referenced in this page already... it seems the quote fullfilled its purpose)]], but the fandom will only remember this [[FanonDiscontinuity "as a memorable quote by the Quesada-verse Mary-Jane Watson"]].
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* HilariousInHindsight[=/=]HarsherInHindsight: Depends on the reader, but the famous page image of of MJ [[SkywardScream skyward screaming]] seems to be made to mimic (or to mock) the reaction the fans would have.
* NeverLiveItDown: Perhaps intentionally, since MJ's page quote is basically ''begging'' for this to happen [[SelfDemonstratingArticle (and giving how much it got referenced in this page already... it seems the quote fullfilled its purpose)]], but the fandom will only remember this [[FanonDiscontinuity "as a memorable quote by the Quesada-verse Mary-Jane Watson"]].
* NeverLiveItDown: Perhaps intentionally, since MJ's page quote is basically ''begging'' for this to happen [[SelfDemonstratingArticle (and giving how much it got referenced in this page already... it seems the quote fullfilled its purpose)]], but the fandom will only remember this [[FanonDiscontinuity "as a memorable quote by the Quesada-verse Mary-Jane Watson"]].
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* FixerSue: Mary Jane. Or at least, she tries...
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* AudienceAlienatingPremise: So MJ gives us the Aespop that marriage is just a piece of paper and that you shouldn't have kids outside of wedlock. How Marvel did not see this as offensive to BOTH people who believe in marriage as some kind of sacred institution AND people who have kids outside of marriage or were from such a family is beyond this troper!anyone!
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* FridgeLogic: If the story changed almost nothing and Peter still exposed his identity to the world... what? Wasn't there even a ''Brand New Day'' story where not even NormanOsborn or Venom even knew who he was, despite knowing his identity even ''before'' he told the world?
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* FridgeLogic: If the story changed almost nothing and Peter still exposed his identity to the world... what? Wasn't there even a ''Brand New Day'' story where not even NormanOsborn ComicBook/NormanOsborn or Venom even knew who he was, despite knowing his identity even ''before'' he told the world?
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